"feel safer at the Trad Mass" - True, I feel safer when it comes to the priest & his credentials, preaching, words in liturgy & prayers, nothing bad going on behind the scenes before or after Mass, properly blessed holy water, a sincerely caring for the flock clergy. (This & a few other things...)🙏🕊
Bishop Rey has just "resigned." I am more than confident that this is the last gasp of the Age of Aquarius generation. God bless and protect Dom Reid and his brothers.
Only if you mistakenly think there was nothing in the Extraordinary form that needed fixing. And your only goal is merely to have the Extraordinary form. Which sign what the council asked for.
@roybrown2155 I am unsure where or when you are talking about, but in my younger days (1960’s) people in Ireland used to leave mass early during communion for a variety of reasons. Some just wanted to get to the pub early, some had not been fasting and so did not feel prepared sufficiently to receive, some had not been to confession and did not feel in a worthy state to receive. There were a variety of reasons not to receive, but for those receiving there was an acceptance of the necessity to wait a few minutes to receive from the priest whose hands were anointed for this sacred ministry.
Actually, those are the only kind there were or can be. Bergoglio is a demonic heretic and a counterfeit Pope leading a counterfeit Church. Leave JP2 Not So Great Behind and realize the "reform of the reform" never existed in the minds of the V2 revolutionaries including Father Ratzinger.
@@julieborges-iv3rc not an opinion, unfortunately. Google is your friend: to be Catholic one must believe every single dogma, none excluded. It's not sufficient to self identify as Catholic to actually be Catholic 🤷🏻♂️
@@tommasosantojanni Please ,I dont need to be preached to. it was a question on the efficacy before Trent. of differing liturgies. Did they fit the criteria set by Trent? its a question- apparently questions are not sanctioned?Early Fathers wouldn't have gotten far in defining the faith if it weren't for questions.judging should come from solid Action, not your interpretation or your biases or my words..do not assume or put words in my mouth.I don't use single sources.i never have. I research many and cogitate much.
... wrong again. Dogma bears three triumphant characteristics: 1. Infallible Truth 2. Immutable Truth 3. Uninterpretable Truth But, hey, don't take my word for it, Google is your friend 🤷🏻♂️ Pope Bergoglio is not Catholic.
Vatican II ITSELF. Not just its "faulty" implementation, not just its misinterpretation, not just its nebulous post-Conciliar "spirit" - the documents themselves need correction and/or condemnation. Full stop. The Former Ecclesia Dei congregations will need to reconcile with this simple fact and abandon the absurd program of John Paul "the Greatest of All Greats."
All that we are. and know, is through 'Storey' This is one of the best ways God can Communicate with us, It has aided us as a species. Humanity is by default is a spiritual creature, Life is a Miracle in itself. That should be enough. Alas no. There are those amongst us who require, if not yearn for guidance. The Catholic Church can regain it's beauty of spirit, if it practices what it preaches, it has done so much good, which out weighs the wrongs. Love will Cure all pain. And sharing the Love of God with sincerity is a step into the right direction. And be a sturdy ship in life's stormy Seas. Humanity is in great need of spiritual guidance/development/hope/HUMOUR. The Catholic Church needs to heal itself, yes, but it can also heal humanity in the process. God Bless Everyone! th-cam.com/video/oMp0fNnXBXw/w-d-xo.html
"entering into a mystery not creating a mystery"...good one!! 🙏🕊📿
Excellent discussion! Thank you very much! May God bless both of you!
Good discussion.
"feel safer at the Trad Mass" - True, I feel safer when it comes to the priest & his credentials, preaching, words in liturgy & prayers, nothing bad going on behind the scenes before or after Mass, properly blessed holy water, a sincerely caring for the flock clergy. (This & a few other things...)🙏🕊
I pray that reform may come soon.
Gavin on point as always
Bishop Rey has just "resigned." I am more than confident that this is the last gasp of the Age of Aquarius generation. God bless and protect Dom Reid and his brothers.
If you reform the reform as much as it needs, you end up close enough to where we started (the TLM) that the original reform becomes rather pointless
Only if you mistakenly think there was nothing in the Extraordinary form that needed fixing. And your only goal is merely to have the Extraordinary form. Which sign what the council asked for.
@@michaelspeyrer1264 There was NOTHING in the Latin rite that needed reforming. "Extraordinary Form"... LOL.
People were leaving the church early without receiving the Blessed Sarcarement because of the length of time Communion was taking.
@roybrown2155 I am unsure where or when you are talking about, but in my younger days (1960’s) people in Ireland used to leave mass early during communion for a variety of reasons. Some just wanted to get to the pub early, some had not been fasting and so did not feel prepared sufficiently to receive, some had not been to confession and did not feel in a worthy state to receive. There were a variety of reasons not to receive, but for those receiving there was an acceptance of the necessity to wait a few minutes to receive from the priest whose hands were anointed for this sacred ministry.
Don’t you think it’s strange to take liturgical advise form someone who openly went into schism for disobedience to the Church over liturgy?
You can’t change a pigs ear into a silk purse ( return to the traditional Latin Mass and sacraments) the faith of our fathers! !!!!!!
How I wish that we had a Catholic pope 🤷🏻♂️
Actually, those are the only kind there were or can be. Bergoglio is a demonic heretic and a counterfeit Pope leading a counterfeit Church. Leave JP2 Not So Great Behind and realize the "reform of the reform" never existed in the minds of the V2 revolutionaries including Father Ratzinger.
that's your opinion. . Snarky and unkind. never s good combination
@@julieborges-iv3rc not an opinion, unfortunately. Google is your friend: to be Catholic one must believe every single dogma, none excluded. It's not sufficient to self identify as Catholic to actually be Catholic 🤷🏻♂️
@@tommasosantojanni Please ,I dont need to be preached to. it was a question on the efficacy before Trent. of differing liturgies. Did they fit the criteria set by Trent? its a question- apparently questions are not sanctioned?Early Fathers wouldn't have gotten far in defining the faith if it weren't for questions.judging should come from solid Action, not your interpretation or your biases or my words..do not assume or put words in my mouth.I don't use single sources.i never have. I research many and cogitate much.
... wrong again. Dogma bears three triumphant characteristics:
1. Infallible Truth
2. Immutable Truth
3. Uninterpretable Truth
But, hey, don't take my word for it, Google is your friend 🤷🏻♂️
Pope Bergoglio is not Catholic.
Vatican II ITSELF. Not just its "faulty" implementation, not just its misinterpretation, not just its nebulous post-Conciliar "spirit" - the documents themselves need correction and/or condemnation. Full stop. The Former Ecclesia Dei congregations will need to reconcile with this simple fact and abandon the absurd program of John Paul "the Greatest of All Greats."
All that we are. and know, is through 'Storey' This is one of the best ways God can Communicate with us, It has aided us as a species. Humanity is by default is a spiritual creature,
Life is a Miracle in itself. That should be enough. Alas no. There are those amongst us who require, if not yearn for guidance. The Catholic Church can regain it's beauty of spirit, if it practices what it preaches, it has done so much good, which out weighs the wrongs. Love will Cure all pain. And sharing the Love of God with sincerity is a step into the right direction. And be a sturdy ship in life's stormy Seas. Humanity is in great need of spiritual guidance/development/hope/HUMOUR.
The Catholic Church needs to heal itself, yes, but it can also heal humanity in the process. God Bless Everyone! th-cam.com/video/oMp0fNnXBXw/w-d-xo.html