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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 มิ.ย. 2024
- In this episode we are going to recap Game 4 of the finals, if Lakers fans should be excited about Darvin Ham, Hornets signing Kenny Atkinson, and potential landing spots for Donovan Mitchell and Deandre Ayton.
Hosts: Joel Moran, River Brown, Andrew Velez, John Carlos, and Joel Dehls
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#PickaSide #187
Intro 00:00
1. NBA Finals Game 4 recap 04:11
2. Jayson Tatum’s breakout game 29:50
3. Darvin Ham’s press conference 39:26
4. Hornets hire Kenny Atkinson 58:47
5. Miles Bridges debate 01:16:11
6. Should the Nets bring back Kyrie? 01:35:04
7. This week in the NBA 01:52:59
8. Steph vs KD debate 02:20:52
9. D Mitch and Ayton detonations 02:54:01 - กีฬา
Good to see JC back, enjoyed the discussion. Cheers.
Steph was putting up numbers that resembled his unanimous MVP season, that's why he was 2nd/3rd in MVP voting last yr... has zero to do with favoritism.
Facts.
Aye crew back this episode going to be great
YOOO this is an awesome episode great job boys 🙏🏽
The lakers were 21-6 before AD got injured. They were the second seed in the west. The first seed was Utah jazz, with 21-5. But with the lakers having no money to spend for this season, this team will not work out.
That was before westbrook season bruh
AD hasnt shot a basketball since April 😑 done with this dude, 1-hit wonder
They got money that cap shit ain real it jus of matter if they spend it
Yo the pascal disrespect was crazy 💀
He’s so clear of Brown it’s not even funny
Hr in and y’all killing this episode
Great episode patiently waiting for ep 188 with this crew, great chemistry and the content was fire
JC ! Glad your back man
My boy jc's back
Ayeeeee the crew back together!! 🔥
finally the crew is back !
Happy to see JC back!
Let’s gooo crew is hereee
Watching from argentina great pod👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻
Another W podcast. 🙏
Riv Academy on Top💯
I LOVE THIS PODCAST
JC!!!!! Finally my boy we missed you
Nice jc is back on a episode of pick a Side life is good
Yo that Curry vs KD debate got so stupid…. Literally how can y’all say
“Curry doesn’t get 2 more chips without KD”
WHEN KD HASNT WON 2 GAMES IN THE FINALS WITHOUT CURRY
Like y’all literally are just hating on Steph if you think KD is better than him at this point.
Steph has been to 6 finals to KDs 3.
When they were on the same team, Ty lue himself literally said they doubled Curry with KD and Klay on the court.
Steph beat KD in 2016 and dropped 37 in game 7.
I don’t give two fucks about KD hitting shots in game 3s when they were up 2-0 with overwhelming odds against the Cavs and even if he missed those shots they still could’ve won the game.
Curry didn’t just defer because he thought Durant was superior, he had a horrible night in both game 3s while KD had it going and he was smart. Curry would literally defer to Andrew Wiggins if Wiggins was hot and he was cold.
“He went to finals in 2012, 3 years before Curry”
So? He also was in the league 2 years before Curry….
I love how people say Kd is better based on hypotheticals.
First of all, the Hawks took the bucks to 6 with Trae young injured mid-game 3… the hobbled, depthless Nets with no Kyrie and a hobbled Harden would’ve got beat in 5 by the Hawks, who went through two of the toughest defenses in the league that’s season in the Sixers and Knicks. They were battle tested, hungry, and hot as a team. Trae would’ve dropped 60 on them, considering he dropped 48 on Milwaukee.
And even if they got by the hawks which is a ridiculous hypothetical to begin with, you think they would’ve beat the Suns with 50% Harden and no Kyrie? Are y’all serious?
Steph Curry has lead his team to the finals twice before KD and now again after KD and actually won the championship in 2015, but we still question what he can do without KD, and not what KD hasn’t done without Steph?
1 MVP 1 Finals appearance
Compared to
Stephs 2 MVPs, 1 Championship, 4 finals appearances and possibly another championship and a finals mvp?
WHAT??
Also KD played 35 games in 2021 when Steph got top 3 MVP…
👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 preach bro…preach
Its no guarantee curry wins those 2 rings. If he doesnt win this year it means:
•He only won against a injured cavs team.
•Lost when they were finally healthy.
•Begged kd to join his team.
•Lost to the second healthy team they ever faced in the finals without a stacked team(not including 2019 because of injuries)
We cant over look curry and crew literally saying that they needed kd on their team. Its understandable any team would want kd but if your that team with 3 hof already that does put a little doubt in your mind about their chances of getting those 2 rings. I just have to look at gm 1 2018 vs the cavs were lebron by himself dropping 51 and only lost because of jr smith vs all 4 of them. If kds not there whose to say lebron doesnt have repeat or similar performances and pull out wins? Maybe the 2017 finals is different with kyrie still there and no kd who knows.
Even before klay got hurt in the finals vs the raptors without kd most of the series they were down 2-1, 3-1, & 3-2. So again its no guarantee that they get those rings.
Like curry kd has dealt with injured teams. He missed a year like steph and although steph team was injured all year when he played by himself kds team fell apart in the second round. Kyrie gone and harden on a torn hamstring is not exactly even comp. We seen curry with the same situation in less games (kd gone all series & klay only hurt in gm 6) loss to the raptors and we saw kd lose to the bucks. Dont forget before kyrie went down they had blown out Milwaukee by like 40 to have a 2-0 lead. No excuses cuz kd was shit this year but just saying he hasnt made it to the finals without context is wrong.
Stephs better than kd imo but making it seem like no debate is crazy. Those 2 finals with each other i dont count since those were forgone wins. Steph has the accolades and stats but on a purely basketball level there is a debate. Their scoring is comparable while steph is a better playmaker kd is a much better defender so its pick your flavor depending on who you ask on who is a better player. I take winning into account but we seen when curry was having that monster season with no help he wasnt having no fun out their by himself and went 39-33(.542). Kd didnt play a full season let alone series by himself but the nets are 37-22(.627) which is on pace for a 50 win season when kyrie, harden, or both missed time.
@@Emmanny the entire first half of your argument is based on things I didn’t say 🤔not sure how to respond
I mostly compared the two using their career without each other lol.
Stephs career without KD is better than KDs without Steph
Steph literally beat KD, regardless of whether he wanted him to join or not
I didn’t bring up the 2019 finals lol
Idc about what if Curry won a title there, he didn’t
Just like I don’t care about what if KD beat the bucks… cause he didn’t lol
And before kyrie got hurt the nets were up 2-1 and losing game 4… people seem to make up things in their mind with that and act like they didn’t lose with kyrie
We don’t know what would’ve happened if kyrie stayed healthy but there’s no point on pondering cause he didn’t, and KD wanted to play with him knowing his injury history
We don’t know what would’ve happened if they didn’t team up but we know what has happened when they’re not on the same team… Steph is able to take his team to the finals.
KD is a better basketball talent than Steph. If you’re building a basketball
Player you wanna be KD basically.
But the way Steph plays and the production he gives is far more impactful than KDs and that’s obvious.
If Steph wins this chip and FMVP, the discussion is over
@@adonstudiosofficial My bad was just trying to gove context on why people say he wouldnt win those two regardless of if kd was there or not. It was basically saying looking at the track record if he loses these finals he would be 1-2 (not including unhealthy 2019) winning 2015 only due to the cavs injuries.
Your right steph career is better than kds career but that doesnt mean he would have chips is my point. I did forget the lost gm three thought he got injured then not gm 4 but its still evident they were up in the series. Just like you said we dont know what would happen. Yes steph would probably make the finals im just saying would he have won i dont think so.
We basically saying the same thing. Even though kd needed steph more imo but if steph win he never needed kd but if he loses he needed him too for the 2 chips. His legacy can go either way narratively speaking.
@@adonstudiosofficial again you on point
The homie JC is back!!
Ayyyy JC back in the cut
the gang back together, keep it up boys💯
Never seen anybody enjoy making his friends upset as much as Riv. Dude loves seeing Drew in pain talking about the Lakers. Dedicated hater fr
Love to see jc back killed it
3 hour show yessir 🔥🔥 also how we get in that discord???
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Bruh I’m watching this after dude ass fumbled the bag I’m crying laughing 🤣🤣🤣
JC!! Speakin if missin people, hope Serg is doin good
I wish they brought up if Lakers have championship aspirations with AD/Lebron against drew when talking about the nets
Yes sir new episode
JC IS BACK 🔥🔥
As a pacer fan if the Nets want Myles I’m less interested in getting a piece like Claxton back moving Myles means we are all in on Jalen Smith and Isaiah Jackson in the front court so rather than Claxton I’d prefer a young possible instant offense piece like Cam Thomas who fits Indys timeline better than Brooklyn’s and can just provide spark and could learn a lot from a vet like Lance
I truely believe Lance has alot left to give
Jerami grant>>> Miles Bridges I don't know why there was a debate about that
As a Hornets fan, Bridges is just ok defender. He is better in the front court. He gets back doored a lot from guards or quicker guys. He is physical with bigger guards and some forwards. He can block shots, he’s not horrible, but not elite.
They stick Cody Martin on other teams best player.
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Jc came back like Jordan glad to see you back brother
I don't think the Celtics will change their drop coverage too much. From G4 to G3, the Warriors actually shot worse, but they grab 24 more rebounds, and 10 more offensive rebounds, giving Looney more time is vast. If the Celtics trap more, I will be concerned about Looney and Wiggins on the offensive glass. We have seen in the Memphis series: When Memphis played small, they were getting killed on the offensive glass. After Adams came back, Memphis rebounds, points in the paints, and defense all got better.
Fr it would be kinda of dumb and reckless to change their whole coverage in game 5
they should’ve changed something
Just rewatched this episode and a lot of things have changed . Joel saying miles bridges can be better then mikal. Then Fox can be an all star . I love the NBA and y’all pick a side boys!!
Knew it was jc coming back
36:39 Riv’s spiel is 100% right.
I believe okc wouldve went to the finals if kd resigned with how they retooled and the potential for Horford to have signed.
JC I agree with you but the Warriors outplayed the Cavs. KD never outplayed Lebron compared their stats in the first finals in 2017 KD stats: 35, 8, 5 on 55, 47, and 92. That's great don't get me wrong but Lebron's averaged 33, 12, and 10 on 56, 38, and 65. 3 point percentage and free-throw percentage don't mean someone outplayed you just saying. The warriors were just a better team overall man.
JC BACK LFFFGGGGGGGGGGG
Dude with the the tight as neck braids thinks he’s right every time 😂🤦🏽♂️
Ime more than likely won't allude to trapping Steph given the point of playing drop coverage was to eliminate 4 on 3 opportunities in the short roll
get the guy one the right an academy and ill join
Honestly think Celtics will continue to guard Curry the same way. Them having curry score is what they want to a degree. What I do think will change is then switching between schemes. There will be times they play drop in order to take away the rest of the warriors offense but they will also have times where they blitz, double, and trap steph.
Bridges is actually a good defender, he guards the teams best players.
They clearly watched no miles bridges, at one point he was in the talk of being an allstar
Riv was so smug this ep 😂
He earned it 🤷♂️ cause i was ready to be the same amount of smug if Celts went up 3-1
The warriors fan is very confident😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Got Home Court back, id be happy too
Riv, why do you have strong opinions on players you barely watch? Like Bridges... You better chill.
Kd tore his Achilles ya act like that injury is not thee worst injury
Im hearing John Wall Westbrook trade talks again
Is JC PERUVIAN?!
Yes I am Peruvian
Nah they kinda let Joel off the hook with that miles bridges take lmfaoo
Jb was “cooking” jb was “dominant”. What game was Drew watchin
He had 17pts in the 1st quarter, and was SEEKING Draymond on every possession
Steph definitely does have special treatment. He does get scrutinized some, but I don’t think it’s very often. Especially main stream media
Don’t understand why Steve Kerr can’t give Johnathan Kuminga some minutes, kuminga can attack the rim and put pressure on the boston defense and it gives curry a roll option besides kevon looney.
He doesn't trust Kumingas decision making that's why Moody has more 4th quarter minutes this playoffs. But sheesh.... If they're dropping on Steph, then Kuminga should be able to finish strong when the bigs fall back
His rotations/in game decisions haven’t been good when he got minutes in the grizzlies or nuggets series can’t remember which one it was. I think he can help like you said getting to the rim but he’ll he a huge liability on defense. But who knows maybe he just needs Steve’s trust. I’d love to see him again, but he wasn’t good when he did get mins.
He also cant shoot too so theyll be sagging off him draymond iggy and looney if hes in there with any of those guys
Looney is the better roller, and a bigger lob threat
@@Notcleverenough never said he wasn’t a better roller this is a irrelevant comment
I have a question for y'all. Do you guys think kd was an elite level defender when he was in golden state?
Weird AF to say a 73-9 team up 3-1 on Lebron would have A) not beaten Lebron and B) lost to the CP3 Rockets without KD when 1) that same team without KD swept the WCF(not a small feat yet ppl literally dismiss this fact) and 2) would have upgraded their team regardless without KD. We obviously don't know who they'da got instead of KD but to think they would've have used that money to upgrade with a few good players is again literally dismissing facts. We can play hypotheticals but to say a 73 win team who had the Cavs dead to rights before what Iman Shumpert admitted was a series-changing suspension NEEDED KD to win more rings is a lazy take that ppl don't think through. And as far as the Rockets go, ppl bring up that CP3 got hurt but forget the Dubs were in control of that series before Iggy got hurt ad changed the way they play. Iggy was in the death lineup and ppl forget that and how deadly that lineup was back then. To have a piece removed was huge eventhough Iggy wasn't "prime" Iggy but ppl for get that. All they remember and/or bring up is how CP3 got hurt and they missed like 27 3s in a row. I'll givve you a hypothetical since we on that... if KD never goes to GS then Steph wins 2 more MVPs and at least 2 more rings in that 3 yr window...he wins b2b2b MVPs and maybe even b2b2b2b ad they def conti to make the Finals as they did and def beats Lebron at least 2 more times. Ppl got their opinions and I have my well-thought out opinion
Why is say no stream
Ty Lue, who coached against the GSW on the biggest stage, admitted that Steph was "the most dangerous player" on the team even with KD AND KLAY on the floor with him....ppl including myself can have our opinions but I'll take the guy's opinion who actually was paid to stop the Warriors on the brightest stage. And if you don't think "the most dangerous player" isn't the "best" player than someone explain why teams focused on Steph over KD???? There is no discussion, Steph is better.
And how did that decision work out for the cavs?
@@davidanoka-ayembe4258 Not too well but no team had a chance...doesn't mean it was a bad gameplan
I an certifed good now
Steph said kd was the best player in the world in 2019 when kd got hurt
Im suprised Mike didnt hire Mike
Klay showed up game 5 last series
KD is just taller then Steph that's literally the only thing that KD is better at.
Tatum is not getting any more defensive attention than Tatum. Brown is just better at beating his man than Tatum is. Brown is stronger, more athletic but has a shit handle. The Warriors are not punishing him by forcing him to dribble more.
Broooo miles getting violateddddd
GSW shouldn't give up all that for LeBron. If he really wants to go to GSW to win rings he'd take a pay cut to keep the team intact.
This debate is 3 v 1, c'mon
Tatum needs to put that Kobe armband on and have a game where he takes over the 4th like Kobe did vs pacers in 2000. Wiggins playing great D on Tatum. Game 5 the 4th quarter is literally Celtics forcing attacks in the paint instead of a more neutral offense. Tatum is injured but needs to play great. MJ played with food poisoning. Bron played with injured hand. He need to get his shit together and stop turning the ball over.
Did this man just say curry more clutch than Kyrie🤦🏾♂️🤡🤣
Just to say if Charlotte can get Mo Bamba and trade miles bridges get some draft capital back go get cam reddish it would help them a lot I think one thi you guys forgot while Kenny Attikson is a good player devolped he also kinda revives careers spinner dinwitty was with the piston and the 76ers before he came to the Nets and D-lo is a laker first if they can put a decent big man around melo probably trade some players for a high draft pick go get sheadon sharp possible they could take a jump
Warriors also haven’t been shooting that well besides Steph. Steph has made over 5 3s in each game. He has scored the most points in each of these games. Klay defense has been really good, but he has to take better shots. Warriors need to kill first quarter and then stop jb and close out on shooters
Klay is getting open looks, he just isnt adjusting well to the new ball
Giannis was getting cooked in the media
Something about the dude I'm the cornrows annoys me... Seems obnoxious af 😂
Those 3 guys on the right is clowns I don’t know how that guy with braids could have stay there arguing with those bozos
personally i think this series was a lock to go to 7 games. But if Tatum ever decides to go off they can end it in 6
Thank you for blockin the Bots👍👍👍👍
Steph is pampered now 😳. What?
For two years I’ve been say that jb it’s better Thant jt because is more consistent
Nah he just has less pressure…kinda like PG when he plays with Kawhi
Personally I think JB is better but even I can see that the attention is all on JT so JB is playing free with no pressure on him.
@@WidgetWagyu47292 tatum dribbles into doubleteams and bad situations
That draymond green segment is one of the most embarrassing thing i have ever seen🤣🤣🤣🤣 some of these dude really picked green over prime pau lmao....then picked lonzo over green...this is pure clownery...
Westbrook was never ever a good defender ...being energetic or tenacious doesnt mean he was a good defender at one point
But he has perfect technique to put himself in the best position to be a great defender, he just looks like hes trying to stay in front instead of trying to take the ball, and thats a mindset
He was an elite defender in college and was very good his first few years in the league. As his offensive workload increased his defensive effort decreased equally
“Pick the nets” should be the name of the podcast. Stop riding them bro. They got swept.
Massively sleeping on Miles Bridges. This is what happens when you don't watch
Curry is better than kd mannnnn
JCCCC
Floyd is also a billionaire
Bro Joel think he slick with that would u rather question…alll the players he compared to Draymond was in his realm or way below…he never did that for any other player…Draymond is 3x AS and Dpoy…don’t make the game easier for urself by comparing much weaker players
Does Riv forget that the year Warriors won pre Kd k love and kyrie got hurt which is why people think that Warriors wouldn’t have won without Kd because they hadn’t beat a healthy Lebron team in the 2 times they faced no doubt Warriors would make it back but the rings helped Curry’s legacy
Welp homie who doesn’t think Andrew Wiggins wasn’t the best defender on taytum is wrong, and taytum didn’t go off either, Wiggins locks him dow.
Wiggins has been huge all season long, his defense is soooooo good, dare i say maybe better than Mikal Bridges
Let’s be honest the reason this is a series is because of Robert Williams 3.
Here's the Curry vs KD debate: KD is better.
I'd take curry any day
Kd may be better but iso only goes so far. He got them rings cuz of curry
Sure but curry has had the better career
If you talking all time career wise it’s Steph and that ain’t close, if you just talking in a pick up game you could say the same thing about TMac soooo…what are you saying
@@athenchan3632 he's had the better team success. Not the better career though. We forget KD been all NBA since like year 2 and was second only to lebron for like a decade. Curry didn't have that. Curry got rings yes. Curry still great yes. But KD was and is the better player, and has had the better individual career.
Curry is better then KD. Please stop making this a debate.
First cuh
Dude in the white headphones mad annoying and doesn’t know what he talking about
Tatum gets way more doubles has he watched the playoffs at all? Nets bucks and heat all trapped Tatum and played jaylen 1v1
Tatum dribbles into doubleteams, dude has no court vision or awareness
When one guy talks shit about each and everything said to him, voters and media will not like it and thats facts.
If someone is liked by anyone its not his fault. By the way the person who is not liked should work to become likable
Nah, striving for the acceptance of others is both weak and futile