Why answer straight forward questions with bloated vague responses filled with "wank words". Whatever happened to "Yes" or "No"? If they can't commit to simple answers, I can't commit $.
CASAOS Questions (setting up my ZimaBoard) 1. Update: Does the "CasaOS update" update the underlying Debian operating system? My natural instinct when seeing a Debian or Ubuntu command line is to run sudo apt update. When I ran apt update with --yes it seemed to override some hand crafted CasaOS settings and wanted to update the firmware. If CasaOS does not update Debian and Debian update is not recommended then how does one deal with the evolving threat environment CVEs? 2. Admin / Admin vulnerability -- By default Port 22 is left open with default userid, password and host name. This is similar to Admin/Admin on a router or Raspberry Pi where the default user with admin privileges is Pi with a password of Raspberry. At least Raspberry Pi encourages users to change the password. 3. Terminal -- the default web based terminal seemed to lag and it was not recommended for command line "curl" command updates. Windows 10 has an OpenSSH client built in (and an optional OpenSSH server). In the Raspberry Pi documentation I saw instructions for connecting to Raspberry Pi using Windows Terminal with SSH using an SSH Key rather than a password. Also in Raspberry Pi documentation I saw connecting to Raspberry Pi using VS Code on Windows which would be similar to using VS Code to connect to WSL on Windows for Docker. This is mostly a documentation issue, so I would suggest looking at the Raspberry Pi documentation to get a model for security and connectivity documentation. You don't have to reinvent the wheel you just have to make sure it works with CasaOS. I have shutdown and unplugged my ZimaBoard because I do not want to leave it on in an unprotected and potentially unsafe state.
I like the external PSU. Power supplies are a common failure point, and having a external one removes the need for disassembly and cable routing during replacement. In addition to saving space in the box, they remove a large source of heat.
all completely true and things I have said a bunch in vids about compact 2/4 bays before. I prefer external PSUs personally, but I also know I am in the minority in the tech community
The most common problem with external PSUs (other than physical size, which is a non-issue for me) is that they're almost always passively cooled (and enclosed in a sealed plastic case). That's bad for component longevity.
@@GrayMatter70, I have 24/7 external PSUs continuously operating since 15 years ago. constantly heating, but presumably so well designed, that the passive coooling is "the right way" to cool them down.
I can’t tell 100% from the photos, but if the power plug is not lockable, then moving the NAS case intentionally or accidentally could cause power to be removed while the NAS is running. There is no good outcome from this. The cable should be locking into the case!! There should be a lockable connector for incoming power!
@@brianspriggs7881 for sure it's not lockable, as in the 99.9% of external powerbricks out there. My idea is to fix with a hook and a screw the cable once it is plugged in. This: it.farnell.com/productimages/standard/en_GB/2494617-40.jpg
The Kickstarter page is available on preview from a few hours ago. - Goes LIVE at 17:00 (London Time) on Fri 03 Nov 2023 ✅ Assuming they don't change the details, from the preview page... - ZimaCube: 3905 HKD / 499 USD / 410 GBP (NO Quad NVMe adapter!) - ZimaCubePro: 7035 HKD / 899 USD / 740 GBP - Delivery: March 2024 delivery! Prices above for those who paid the $1 to get access to the 'Early-Bird' pricing (Max-500 backers), everyone else is $100 more. This Kickstarter is said to close around 12-Dec-2023
I participated to the campaign with symbolic $1, but I sincerely say that presumably this ZimaCube would be pricey and still with doubts about the final configuration.
N100 only has 9 PCIE lane(gen 3.0), 1235U has 20 PCIE lane(gen 4.0). For anyone considering an N100 NAS either DIY or pre-build, it's a good choice on paper, but with very limited PCIE lanes, and poor E-core performances, you will have a decent NAS but with nothing fancy.
Actually the e-core performance on the N100 is great for a NAS. It's honestly just the PCIE lanes which are really the issues with the N100. The N100 is noticeably stronger than it's predecessors and compares to an I5-7500T with absolutely great power efficiency too (important for a 24/7 application). The graphics card is also quite capable for media applications and can easily encode/decode 4k 10bit HDR which is more than most need for a media server and the new N series support AVX2 and AES-NI. The trouble is that ZIMA went with a single DDR4 slot instead of a single DDR5 slot which will tank the N100s performance. While the N100 won't spin up a dozen VMs and push double 10GB NICs with a bunch of accessories, it's extremely capable and effective for what it is. It won't have a problem running several docker containers, saturating 2.5Gb NICs with several HDDs installed and media server use cases.
@@Ilost11 Yes it's decent, but e-cores under heavy load will drive the N100 far beyond 15W, remember these low-performance CPUs take more time to get things done, which makes them under heavy load longer. For a 24/7 home NAS, the power consumption for those under the i5 level is not very important, HDD is the main power consumer.
@@Bytional All that is true, but as I said earlier what NAS load would your average user need that would exceed the performance targets of the N100? The PCIE lane connectivity issue really prevents exotic use cases for this NAS. If there was more PCIE connectivity it would be much easier to see a performance bottleneck with this CPU. One is not going to be running dual 10Gb NICs with multiple VMs and hosting heavy servers with an N100. Your average user will be happy with 2.5GB networking, several HDDs, a few docker containers and a media server. All of which are comfortably handled by the N100.
@@Ilost11 That's why I don't understand why Zima wants N100 as their low-end choice, at this price for this performance? the average user would go for some big brand like Synology. Zima really needs to step up their game with something like 7305L as their low-end choice
This looks really interesting. I'm looking to replace my dead Drobo 5 bay Direct Attached 5D box. I've got about 16 TB of data on 5 drives (currently backed up onto a single 18TB USB drive which scares me. Does anyone know if A) Can the CasaOS mix and match drive sizes like the Drobo does so elegantly so that I can upgrade from the 14TB drives I have to put in the ZimaCube to get going with 18TB or 22TB drives as they become affordable and my 14TB drives age out or fail? B) any possibility of just putting my old Drobo Drives in and having CasaOS recognize them and use them so that I can just start slowly swapping them out one at a time for the newer 14TB drives I have? (saving me tons of copy time) and keeping lots of folders and installed software working maybe. Thanks in advance and thanks for the videos!
Hi, the Zimacube NAS seems like a very interesting device! I have just finished a power efficient unraid build on a topton I have a few questions before i'll crouwdfund the pro (i5) version. 1. Whats the idle power usage when the server is doing nothing (with something like Unraid running) and all disks spun down? 2. Does the bios have an option to always power on the system when power is provided to the system no matter if the system is cut off power abrubtply or a propper shutdown (i like to shut down my server unraid after midnight and start it by activating a smart plug when i need it and my topton mobo ) 3. Are there really 2 DDR5 SoDimm slots in the i5 version and do they support 64Gb of (non eec) memory because i have 2 dims on the shelf. Thanks in advance! Rgds, Mart
thanks to you, I just built DIY NAS, based on Jonsbo N3 and Topton N6005. Added 2x32GB RAM and 4x 6TB WD Plus. Added 5 Noctua fans (including replacement of CPU one). Total cost: 930GBP
@@nascompares I am only not 100% happy with TrueNAS. Thinking about ... Debian and webmin/cockpit with ZFS management over CLI - one big disadvantage of TrueNAS: every customisation will go away with the next upgrade of OS - that is the way TrueNAS is built - like it or leave it. I will see.
@@zyghom can you explain this better? Are you saying that TrueNAS starts over each upgrade and makes you re-install the preferences you made to keep it functioning???
Prices seem to be very much higher than anticipations, and about 600 for the base and over 1000 for the higher model. Or have I misunderstood this very confused campaign?
Been thinking if I should wait for this one, or build a custom one based on i3 12th gen (dont really need 4x eth ports in pro version, while N100 not sure if its not too slow)..
Still leaning DIY with that pricing but thanks for keeping an eye on this. I'm not a fan of the external PSU either, as the one on my Synology comes unplugged very easily compared to an ATX plug.
That is a very nice point, and I don't know why makers do not build a small latch to fix the barrel jack to the plug. I have seen in some device, but it would be always present in all devices.
@@briccimn Yeah. I keep mine on the corner of my desk as I don’t have a good place for it in my closet, and if I pull the opposite corner of the desk out to get behind my computer and run a cable or something, there’s like a 50/50 chance it comes unplugged. I hate that connector.
Most interesting broadcast. 10Gbe is a showstopper (alternative product is Asustor FS6712X). If 6 x Rotating Rust, and 4 x NVME, then correctly using NVME as a fast file system cache would be a win for all customers........
Signed up with the $1 reservation fee today (both standard and pro), purely as it’s piqued my interest. More than anything, the question about 3rd party RAID OS is what I’d like confirmed if you do get a unit. Started playing with UnRAID and quite like it, and for my needs this hardware should be ideal (and convenient!)
Hi, just a short question unrelated to Zima Cube. What do you think of using the intel datacenter U.2 SSD instead of M.2 NVME for storage or cache. Recently Ive seen a lot of second hand Intel U.2 SSD in the used market therefore I'm interested to know what do you think?
Should be fine, as long as they weren't utterly battered at the data center in write...plus, you will definitely need a system with u.2 interfaces...or at the very least SAS/SATA
If you are not super sensitive about power consumption and noise(from cooling), and already have or plan to build NAS with U2 support(MB with enough PCIE lanes), U2 SSD is a good choice, my friend has a NAS with 4*4TB U2 SSD in ZFS-z1, it's a beast in pure performance, but his 25Gbe network just can't fully use that power.
Kickstarter goes live at 17:00 (London Time) on Fri 03-Nov-2023 The KS preview page, says "Estimated Delivery: Mar 2024" Prices shown are $499 / $899 (std/pro)
From KS 'preview' page: "ZimaCube Pro Creator Pack - Early Bird - The package includes 1 pack ZimaCube Pro(i5/64G/1T), Quadro RTX A2000 12GB graphics, 19V 220W power adapter and universal power plugs. " @ $1599
I signed up for the 1$ reservation fee and now that the kickstarter is live it seems to be that the 1$ reservation fee was a total 100% scam. There is NO DISCOUNT for those with the reservation as promised. There is NO RESERVATION, anyone can buy. The only thing a reservation holder has, is 1$ less in his pocket. Also the prices are really quite high for a new brand with ZERO reputation. And I wonder if customs charges are included or will be added (I'm in the EU - the FAQ does not mention anything related to duty/customs/tariffs).
You need to read the descriptions. The reservation guarantees you the chance to buy AND you get a $100 off on any purchase outside of the early bird pledge.
@@SuperMari026 I tried everything to get the $100-off but no matter what I added as "extra" outside of the early bird package it was NEVER discounted and I always was charged full price. Also what "chance"? The device is openly sold on kickstarter, for everyone.
@@geraldh.8047 There are 3 tiers: MSRP, the Kickstarter special AND early bird. Early bird is reserverd for the people with a RESERVATION. You already "have" the discount if you see early bird options.
@@geraldh.8047 Icewhale will cross-reference EB backers with their orders, and those who purchased the eligible additional items will have the discount applied once payments start getting processed. Around when the KS ends.
*Update* - ZimaCube is now LIVE on Kickstarter: zimacube-boosters-15.kckb.st/bf3b716a
Would definitely like to know how much power the Zimacuba consumes with and without drives and running TrueNAS instead of CasaOS
Christian lempa reviewed that (at least with casa OS) idle without drives for the N100 was
Why answer straight forward questions with bloated vague responses filled with "wank words". Whatever happened to "Yes" or "No"?
If they can't commit to simple answers, I can't commit $.
Hugely agree with you!
CASAOS Questions (setting up my ZimaBoard)
1. Update: Does the "CasaOS update" update the underlying Debian operating system? My natural instinct when seeing a Debian or Ubuntu command line is to run sudo apt update. When I ran apt update with --yes it seemed to override some hand crafted CasaOS settings and wanted to update the firmware. If CasaOS does not update Debian and Debian update is not recommended then how does one deal with the evolving threat environment CVEs?
2. Admin / Admin vulnerability -- By default Port 22 is left open with default userid, password and host name. This is similar to Admin/Admin on a router or Raspberry Pi where the default user with admin privileges is Pi with a password of Raspberry. At least Raspberry Pi encourages users to change the password.
3. Terminal -- the default web based terminal seemed to lag and it was not recommended for command line "curl" command updates. Windows 10 has an OpenSSH client built in (and an optional OpenSSH server). In the Raspberry Pi documentation I saw instructions for connecting to Raspberry Pi using Windows Terminal with SSH using an SSH Key rather than a password. Also in Raspberry Pi documentation I saw connecting to Raspberry Pi using VS Code on Windows which would be similar to using VS Code to connect to WSL on Windows for Docker. This is mostly a documentation issue, so I would suggest looking at the Raspberry Pi documentation to get a model for security and connectivity documentation. You don't have to reinvent the wheel you just have to make sure it works with CasaOS.
I have shutdown and unplugged my ZimaBoard because I do not want to leave it on in an unprotected and potentially unsafe state.
I like the external PSU. Power supplies are a common failure point, and having a external one removes the need for disassembly and cable routing during replacement. In addition to saving space in the box, they remove a large source of heat.
all completely true and things I have said a bunch in vids about compact 2/4 bays before. I prefer external PSUs personally, but I also know I am in the minority in the tech community
The most common problem with external PSUs (other than physical size, which is a non-issue for me) is that they're almost always passively cooled (and enclosed in a sealed plastic case). That's bad for component longevity.
@@GrayMatter70, I have 24/7 external PSUs continuously operating since 15 years ago. constantly heating, but presumably so well designed, that the passive coooling is "the right way" to cool them down.
I can’t tell 100% from the photos, but if the power plug is not lockable, then moving the NAS case intentionally or accidentally could cause power to be removed while the NAS is running. There is no good outcome from this. The cable should be locking into the case!! There should be a lockable connector for incoming power!
@@brianspriggs7881 for sure it's not lockable, as in the 99.9% of external powerbricks out there.
My idea is to fix with a hook and a screw the cable once it is plugged in.
This: it.farnell.com/productimages/standard/en_GB/2494617-40.jpg
The Kickstarter page is available on preview from a few hours ago.
- Goes LIVE at 17:00 (London Time) on Fri 03 Nov 2023 ✅
Assuming they don't change the details, from the preview page...
- ZimaCube: 3905 HKD / 499 USD / 410 GBP (NO Quad NVMe adapter!)
- ZimaCubePro: 7035 HKD / 899 USD / 740 GBP
- Delivery: March 2024 delivery!
Prices above for those who paid the $1 to get access to the 'Early-Bird' pricing (Max-500 backers), everyone else is $100 more.
This Kickstarter is said to close around 12-Dec-2023
I participated to the campaign with symbolic $1, but I sincerely say that presumably this ZimaCube would be pricey and still with doubts about the final configuration.
Got an email today that the Kick Starter is Live.
The prices are pretty high as expected for a high spec unit.
N100 only has 9 PCIE lane(gen 3.0), 1235U has 20 PCIE lane(gen 4.0).
For anyone considering an N100 NAS either DIY or pre-build, it's a good choice on paper, but with very limited PCIE lanes, and poor E-core performances, you will have a decent NAS but with nothing fancy.
Actually the e-core performance on the N100 is great for a NAS. It's honestly just the PCIE lanes which are really the issues with the N100. The N100 is noticeably stronger than it's predecessors and compares to an I5-7500T with absolutely great power efficiency too (important for a 24/7 application). The graphics card is also quite capable for media applications and can easily encode/decode 4k 10bit HDR which is more than most need for a media server and the new N series support AVX2 and AES-NI. The trouble is that ZIMA went with a single DDR4 slot instead of a single DDR5 slot which will tank the N100s performance. While the N100 won't spin up a dozen VMs and push double 10GB NICs with a bunch of accessories, it's extremely capable and effective for what it is. It won't have a problem running several docker containers, saturating 2.5Gb NICs with several HDDs installed and media server use cases.
@@Ilost11 Yes it's decent, but e-cores under heavy load will drive the N100 far beyond 15W, remember these low-performance CPUs take more time to get things done, which makes them under heavy load longer.
For a 24/7 home NAS, the power consumption for those under the i5 level is not very important, HDD is the main power consumer.
@@Bytional All that is true, but as I said earlier what NAS load would your average user need that would exceed the performance targets of the N100?
The PCIE lane connectivity issue really prevents exotic use cases for this NAS. If there was more PCIE connectivity it would be much easier to see a performance bottleneck with this CPU. One is not going to be running dual 10Gb NICs with multiple VMs and hosting heavy servers with an N100. Your average user will be happy with 2.5GB networking, several HDDs, a few docker containers and a media server. All of which are comfortably handled by the N100.
@@Ilost11 That's why I don't understand why Zima wants N100 as their low-end choice, at this price for this performance? the average user would go for some big brand like Synology.
Zima really needs to step up their game with something like 7305L as their low-end choice
This looks really interesting. I'm looking to replace my dead Drobo 5 bay Direct Attached 5D box. I've got about 16 TB of data on 5 drives (currently backed up onto a single 18TB USB drive which scares me.
Does anyone know if A) Can the CasaOS mix and match drive sizes like the Drobo does so elegantly so that I can upgrade from the 14TB drives I have to put in the ZimaCube to get going with 18TB or 22TB drives as they become affordable and my 14TB drives age out or fail?
B) any possibility of just putting my old Drobo Drives in and having CasaOS recognize them and use them so that I can just start slowly swapping them out one at a time for the newer 14TB drives I have? (saving me tons of copy time) and keeping lots of folders and installed software working maybe.
Thanks in advance and thanks for the videos!
Hi, the Zimacube NAS seems like a very interesting device!
I have just finished a power efficient unraid build on a topton
I have a few questions before i'll crouwdfund the pro (i5) version.
1. Whats the idle power usage when the server is doing nothing (with something like Unraid running) and all disks spun down?
2. Does the bios have an option to always power on the system when power is provided to the system no matter if the system is cut off power abrubtply or a propper shutdown (i like to shut down my server unraid after midnight and start it by activating a smart plug when i need it and my topton mobo )
3. Are there really 2 DDR5 SoDimm slots in the i5 version and do they support 64Gb of (non eec) memory because i have 2 dims on the shelf.
Thanks in advance!
Rgds,
Mart
thanks to you, I just built DIY NAS, based on Jonsbo N3 and Topton N6005. Added 2x32GB RAM and 4x 6TB WD Plus. Added 5 Noctua fans (including replacement of CPU one). Total cost: 930GBP
The fact you got the drives AND the silent fans AND the 64GB memory, for that price makes me so proud/sick! NICELY DONE!!!
@@nascompares I am only not 100% happy with TrueNAS. Thinking about ... Debian and webmin/cockpit with ZFS management over CLI - one big disadvantage of TrueNAS: every customisation will go away with the next upgrade of OS - that is the way TrueNAS is built - like it or leave it. I will see.
@@zyghom maybe time to splurge and get a copy of unraid?
@@liquicitizendirk2147 no, Debian and webmin and command line is ok for me ;-)
@@zyghom can you explain this better?
Are you saying that TrueNAS starts over each upgrade and makes you re-install the preferences you made to keep it functioning???
Prices seem to be very much higher than anticipations, and about 600 for the base and over 1000 for the higher model.
Or have I misunderstood this very confused campaign?
Been thinking if I should wait for this one, or build a custom one based on i3 12th gen (dont really need 4x eth ports in pro version, while N100 not sure if its not too slow)..
Still leaning DIY with that pricing but thanks for keeping an eye on this. I'm not a fan of the external PSU either, as the one on my Synology comes unplugged very easily compared to an ATX plug.
That is a very nice point, and I don't know why makers do not build a small latch to fix the barrel jack to the plug. I have seen in some device, but it would be always present in all devices.
@@briccimn Yeah. I keep mine on the corner of my desk as I don’t have a good place for it in my closet, and if I pull the opposite corner of the desk out to get behind my computer and run a cable or something, there’s like a 50/50 chance it comes unplugged. I hate that connector.
@@praetorxynyep, quite annoying!
Most interesting broadcast. 10Gbe is a showstopper (alternative product is Asustor FS6712X). If 6 x Rotating Rust, and 4 x NVME, then correctly using NVME as a fast file system cache would be a win for all customers........
I think the mayor missing features is using an i7 which allows AMT support, together with 2x10GbE
Signed up with the $1 reservation fee today (both standard and pro), purely as it’s piqued my interest. More than anything, the question about 3rd party RAID OS is what I’d like confirmed if you do get a unit. Started playing with UnRAID and quite like it, and for my needs this hardware should be ideal (and convenient!)
Just for an email to “reserve a place” so it’s going live in a few days on kickstarter
Hi, just a short question unrelated to Zima Cube. What do you think of using the intel datacenter U.2 SSD instead of M.2 NVME for storage or cache. Recently Ive seen a lot of second hand Intel U.2 SSD in the used market therefore I'm interested to know what do you think?
Should be fine, as long as they weren't utterly battered at the data center in write...plus, you will definitely need a system with u.2 interfaces...or at the very least SAS/SATA
If you are not super sensitive about power consumption and noise(from cooling), and already have or plan to build NAS with U2 support(MB with enough PCIE lanes), U2 SSD is a good choice, my friend has a NAS with 4*4TB U2 SSD in ZFS-z1, it's a beast in pure performance, but his 25Gbe network just can't fully use that power.
Someone know when it will be released and shipped?
Kickstarter goes live at 17:00 (London Time) on Fri 03-Nov-2023
The KS preview page, says "Estimated Delivery: Mar 2024"
Prices shown are $499 / $899 (std/pro)
hello someone know what is creator pack?
Additional graphic card.
From KS 'preview' page:
"ZimaCube Pro Creator Pack - Early Bird - The package includes 1 pack ZimaCube Pro(i5/64G/1T), Quadro RTX A2000 12GB graphics, 19V 220W power adapter and universal power plugs. " @ $1599
I signed up for the 1$ reservation fee and now that the kickstarter is live it seems to be that the 1$ reservation fee was a total 100% scam. There is NO DISCOUNT for those with the reservation as promised. There is NO RESERVATION, anyone can buy. The only thing a reservation holder has, is 1$ less in his pocket. Also the prices are really quite high for a new brand with ZERO reputation. And I wonder if customs charges are included or will be added (I'm in the EU - the FAQ does not mention anything related to duty/customs/tariffs).
You need to read the descriptions. The reservation guarantees you the chance to buy AND you get a $100 off on any purchase outside of the early bird pledge.
@@SuperMari026 I tried everything to get the $100-off but no matter what I added as "extra" outside of the early bird package it was NEVER discounted and I always was charged full price. Also what "chance"? The device is openly sold on kickstarter, for everyone.
@@geraldh.8047 There are 3 tiers: MSRP, the Kickstarter special AND early bird. Early bird is reserverd for the people with a RESERVATION. You already "have" the discount if you see early bird options.
@@geraldh.8047 Icewhale will cross-reference EB backers with their orders, and those who purchased the eligible additional items will have the discount applied once payments start getting processed. Around when the KS ends.
@@geraldh.8047looks like the $100 is either a cash back thing or $100 off add-ons.