When French Drains Are NOT Allowed -- What You Can Do To Protect your Castle!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 ก.ย. 2019
- How to remove Yard Water When French Drains Are Not Allowed in St. Clair Shores, MI
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It's rare to run into this where a city or village will not allow you to run a French drain. If you're on a lake or a community that's predominantly on the lake, the worries are you're going to be trying to drain the lake out and running it to the storm drain, and the system's going to become overwhelmed with water.
This yard was far enough inland and at an elevation to where there was no threat of draining the lake, so I'm out to help this homeowner. That's what I do. So I'm going to show you what we ended up doing to satisfy the building department. I believe every man has the right to protect his castle and as you know, we're here to help the homeowners. Whether you're a DIY or whether you're hiring this out, this is what you can do so that you can rid yourself of looking at all that water. It's just crazy.
This gentleman has a sump pump line over here that has to run out to that yard that's just going to add to that.
Okay. We're here in St Clair Shores, Michigan, putting in a French drain grid. Also, this sump line use to run out the front of the house, and it would ice up the sidewalk. So we changed that. We had to get bonded with , which is no big deal. We're starting to do a lot of work down here.
So there is a really old infrastructure, two doors down. So we went across two yards. We had to get signatures; people had to sign off that we could cross their property and that there was going to be a pipe. We went with schedule 40 because, in Saint Clair shores, people are allowed to keep a boat on a trailer in their yard. I don't want somebody putting a heavy fiberglass boat and parking it on the drain and compromising it. So we went with schedule 40. And you know how I like the deep bells. This is a great belled end here. I love this. It's crazy deep. I don't have to worry about that coming apart. It's going to catch all kinds of stress from the freezing and thaw. I'm not worried about that coming apart. Plus we always use some good PVC cement or weld.
Now everybody around this gentleman filled their yard over the years. So that's how he inherited so much water.
So that's a run right there. I want you to realize it's done. That's how clean. Look at this. You can see where the side was cut. It's how clean. That's how clean the guys. It's amazing. It's just amazing. [...]
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I’d really love to see some more “after” shots of the yards. Not because I don’t believe it. I just love the end result
I appreciate how you respect your workers and are always commending them for their work.
I lived in a neighborhood built on a swamp. When it rained you needed a boat for the back yard and it took 3 days of no rain for the water to disappear.
i have to say your workers are very neat , a clean worksite is indictive of a crew that takes pride in their work. if you do a good job no-one notices... i could notice where you had already replaced the turf. GREAT WORK GUYS !
I ran into a job in SCS that had no infrastructure in the backyards, we had to pump from the catch basin to the street, take up the concrete in the street and make a tap. It was the clients only option in this particular situation. BLD & Engineering were very nice and helpful with us though. Even passed residents to us on a few other jobs. This was back in 2013, I've sold off the business now but cant say I dont miss it. Keep on installing them right fellas! 👌
Love it! Keep up the good work!
What all my surrounding neighbors did to me in Warren. My back yard is the lowest and pools the water into my garage....drives me insane
i like how you cut grass to go back. That’s what i do before i dig. Makes it look a lot cleaner. Nice job.
The biggest thump up here is the use of wood boards to drive and lay dirt on.
Solid work
Is there a follow up video to this one ? Thanks and thumbs up !
I would like to install a French drain in the soggy yard but there is the septic drain field in the yard. Is there any rule that says my French drain should be at least a certain distance from the septic drain field? I need to make sure the effluent from the septic does not get into the French Drain and then flow to the curbside
My yard is being swamped where both properties on each side are about 4 inches above mine when it rains hard. If I bring my yard about 6 or 8 inches high with fill dirt or stone will that stop the water coming to my yard?
Does the sod actually live when you put it back over the burrito wrap?
Wow awesome job love it i have a question is that black thing landscape fabric
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I've worked on a job that something like this happened. And the company I work for has a lawyer hired to deal with things like this, we pay the consultation fee and the client and lawyer see if there's a case. And most times the neighbors end up paying us to install new drains and fix it.
With all that rock, its basically a french drain, without being a french drain, LOL
No is not. The pipe is solid. On a french drain the pipe will have holes and drain along the pipe. That being said... if i was the owner.... after they finish i will take a 10” long, 3/8 diameter drill and start punching holes 😁😂🤣
@@ovidiuciuparu6421 I kinda thought he put the solid pipe on the last 4 or 5 feet of each sump box so the inspector thought it was all solid! LOL Then the rest was actual french drain...
@@warrenmichael918 if they catch you with that... you are screwed...
@@ovidiuciuparu6421just saying what i thought was being hinted at here, not saying it should be done but i bet it DOES get done by some people
Dont know if there is any legal requirement for what constitutes a french drain, but where i live a french drain is somewhere for the water to get intercepted and led away from the property or disposed of into an infiltration magazine. There is no requirement for a pipe. A slotted pipe is usually for getting rid of the water quicker. Here the trench filled with gravel would be a french drain, regardless of what pipe is used.
We live in milan, MI and we need help with ponds water overflow. It pushes it's way to our house then to our basement. Do you come down this far?
@Josh
I do not service the area but I know Milan well from Drag Racing. Its flat with little infrastructure.
Call 248-505-3065 and I will tell you what you can do.
@@FRENCHDRAINMAN my wife will be in touch. If you have a F.B. I can send you some pictures of what I'm dealing with.
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@@FRENCHDRAINMAN Do you have a 'Network' of businesses in other states that enable you to RECOMMEND companies in OTHER States?
I’m in the same situation. Home is by the beach. I’m the lowest point and most neighbors are higher than me. I have water collecting in a large corner and the other low spots are sopping wet. I may bring in yards of dirt and build up. But what can I do now to get water out as it won’t percolate out as it’s a high water table. Do I dig out a French drain and a buried drywell in the interim to at least most of the surface water out of my yard as I’m going to build a raised cement curb/wall for a fence to sit on and eventually back fill with soil to level it out and get above the water table. Don’t want to install a sump pump.
Okay I will do a video for you on how you can do that Stay Tuned
@@FRENCHDRAINMAN I have a very similar situation, so I can't wait to see this!
Dry well?
I moved to SCS in 2019 and have heard of many people getting French drains. My yard is a lake when it rains. Curious what this would cost.
It’s not too difficult to install yourself if you are up for the task. A 100 feet of corrugated pipe is 80 bucks, rigid is about a dollar per foot. You can dig it yourself or rent a digger for a couple hundred more. Gravel is about 5 per square foot depending on what you get. So assume 200 for that. You could easily do the whole project for 500-750 if you do a hundred feet.
Why not just install it and call it a German drain? :)
A German drain would be very efficient! LOL
@@echobase1648 be careful though, German drains have a history of invading French drains.
@@aussiewanderer6304 Well then you'll need a Maginot Line to protect your French drain! 🤣
how do you have the french drain exit through the lawn in front of the house
Cut the curb and run pvc out.
Where i live, the city requires you to build the ground up so that all homes are above the road and all water drains along the sides of roads and its all funneled out to the ocean. Since there is a lake near by, doing something similar would have been a good idea before building these homes.
If the neighbours have all added fill to their yards and that's why this block is getting all their water, that's basically what's happening, in a piecemeal and expensive sort of way. So the other way to resolve the problem on this block would have been a few inches of extra topsoil, to make all that water someone else's problem again.
Unless the developers pay their required kick... I mean make their (perfectly legal) campaign contributions.
The size of the bell makes no difference if its a glue joint. Sdr 35 or if you want it thicker sdr26 is gasketed. It has a deep socket but with freeze and that might break the glue in the joint? But on a deeper hub the cement is more likely to hold and snap the hub
I agree 100% 👍
@@FRENCHDRAINMAN it always takes alot of convincing with customers if they want sch 40 to not glue. I'll only glue anything vertical or above ground? And only with the blue rain or shine. I never use sch 30 or 20 or even triple wall. Only sdr or sch 40. Sch 40 is fine unglued as long as it is graded right and no stress is on the joint and it has a stone field for a source of water for root. No stone and those roots will always find that water, breaking a hub if needed. You guys do good work, I grew up downriver, now I'm central ohio. Same weather, just less snow from lack of lake effect
I don't show everything we do. We connect PVC with Fernco couplers. I'm not gonna go into detail but you will appreciate what that is worth. Adds cost to our jobs but it is worth it.
@@FRENCHDRAINMAN that i do, and I certainly wasn't knocking what you do, you clearly do great work. The fact you cut sod back first shows the extent at which you go above and beyond. It still amazes me how many guys replace with sch 30 still.
If they are next to a lake, where do they direct their storm water other than to the lake? Did they for some reason dig a hole so their storm water drains under a hill and to the other side to some other lake or creek?
they're next to the lake but not above the lake, so they can't drain down into the lake
@@beefconnoisseur
At the very beginning of the video he stated that they were high enough above the lake that there was no danger of them draining the lake. That can only mean that they are above the water level of the lake and therefore above to ground water level as well. That would mean that they could easily have the water drain from the surface of the yard to the lake.
If they were NOT above the lake then the lake water would be flowing through the ground from the lake to above the surface of the yard around the houses and the only way to get rid of it would be to drill a borehole to a location below the lake and install a pipe so the water could flow out of the yards. Which would mean they would create what essentially be a drain for the lake that would drain the lake water out of the lake.
Hi any reputable French drain company you can recommend in south Florida? Thanks
The problem with Florida is its highly competitive with cut throat contractors that buy all the cheapest parts. You actually have to buy your own materials to know your getting a system that will last forever
Is there a part 2 would like to see finish product.
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How deep do you dig for the start of French drain? Is a 16 inch wide drain ok cause I cant find a excavator with less bucket width?
What did you end up doing?
@@RoyalRadande went with 16inch bucket. The only thing is that I had to use alot of rocks
@@WILDCHILD6278 sweet. Did you do it just like FDM and fill it back up with rocks? Did you use corrugated or PVC?
How have things been since the install?
@@RoyalRadande no i didnt burrito wrap. I used 4 inch corrugated perforated pipe. I did my own experiments and found fabric doesn't work well in red clay but red clay holds its form well. I dug 12 inch deep trench by 16 inches wide. Fabric on the bottom to keep mud out, leaving walls open with no fabric. I filled with rocks to 2 inches from top and put fabric on top and filled with top soil for better drainage ability cause red clay doesn't drain well. Been working good so far
Around the outside edge of his property he should plant some water sucking plants. There are plenty of choices. Help keep it dry year round.
Finally a wise comment! ;-)
I’m confused. You said no French drains allowed, but you installed French drains. What am I missing?
Exactly. The inspector thinks it's a yard drain.
I have the same problem. I just can’t find anyone to do the French drain to go to the road. It’s like they are just stupid here in Florida!! All my Nieghbor’s built up and now I have to figure out how to make the water drain.
Most places that is against local laws. If they build and as a result, your property now floods you can and should sue them. Dick move by them. Stop being too nice.
these guys are in flordia idk if you've spoken to them or not th-cam.com/channels/nfwox4zLRPkewHSQBop_fA.html "Apple Drains" i believe they're based in Orlando. hope it helps.
What was the approximate cost for that job? I need a french drain for a 100' span, from a driveway to a ditch. There's a berm at the ditch that has utilities going through. Ann Arbor area.
$10,000
I dont understand... you say you can't put in a French drain... and then that's exactly what you do anyway?
He's not in France, so technically it's a Michigan drain
guy bought a boat for the backyard!
Code here prevents one homeowner to change yard elevation in such a way that it impact neighbors. They all owe him !
Good luck getting courts to agree.
Well, you just have to do it in a way where it's not that obvious.
How much? $7,500
I guess I still don't understand how this is Not a French drain? What's the difference?
A typical french drain would use corrugated pipe with holes in it. This is not "perforated" like normal.
We call the flexible corrugated pipe weeping tile,
The pipes installed are solid not perforated. Doesn't allow water to "weep".
@@tbarbuto2345 how does water get in the pipe?
@@markleggett9714 the catch basins
Okay, is using the corrugated pipe over PVC a cost issue?
I appreciate you answering my questions.
@@markleggett9714 Corrugated is a lot easier to install but will eventually get clogged. The hardest part with installing these systems is digging the trench which you want to avoid having to do again in the future. With PVC its a lot easier to hydrojet them out if they ever clog up. Lot harder to do with corrugated. Corrugated always has standing water which attracts roots and is harder to maintain proper pitch. Everything depends on your specific situation.
I thought French drains were commonly not allowed.
When I finish this video I'm going to find out what a French drain is.
with plywood prices in 2022, you have a huge investment in plywood boards to protect the grass don't you?
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Why do you hate those things
Well you never said where the water was flow too?🤷🏾♂️
Old drain pipe in the neighbors yard it sounded like. He called it old infrastructure i think, anyway, they ran the yard drain pipes through neighbors yards and tied it into an old existing drain tile that went out to a ditch or city storm drain system
@@warrenmichael918 well that just sounds like a French drain with extra steps
@@JohnnyHoot1 it kinda is but the french part wasnt french ,
French Drains Are Not Allowed in St. Clair Shores. Maybe you should call it something else.. Like "Baughman Drain" 🤣
Why didn't he just add dirt and raise the level of the yard? It doesn't look like a very big yard. Plus if everyone around this house has already done then he will continue to be the neighborhood swamp but now with a drain.
it looks like a french drain acts like one it is one
Basin drains normally don't have as high of a transfer rate so help even out the storm drain flow. However a really good basin drain (lots of good size rock) will flow just as fast. The code people can check the box and go to lunch. This guy's yard usability is going to improve a lot.
Why can't you have a French drain though?
As stated in the video, the town doesn't want subsurface groundwater from the lake being drained and overwhelming the existing storm drain infrastructure.
@@tbarbuto2345 This is a nonsense btw, you are not going to dig a meters of drainage.
@@ma4o669 I'm not sure what you are trying to say
@@tbarbuto2345 The city law is not suitable, as an owner you can not go too much under the ground with this kind of drainage so it is stupid in my view.
WTF, water has to go somewhere, I would dig myself without anyone asking ;-) Fu**ing bureaucrats making more rules all the time !!
That black pipe is trash.
I'm confused. No french drains allowed, so fake catch basins and install a french drain grid? Got it.
Their using solid pipe instead of perferated and using a lot of stone its obviously a legal loop hole.
@@adamdnewman No, I just rewatched it. He has "dummy basins" connected to "a few feet of solid" that's connected to his high octane -- which is slotted subsurface french drain. All that's connected to the sump basin that's being pushed thru schd. 40, thru the other yards, to the old infrastructure drain.
I support it, and would do the same, I'm just very surprised he posted this and imagine it'll be taken down at some point.
Mmmm...so you just admitted to breaking your bond by putting in French drains? :p
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You lost me at a man has to protect his castle.
So, you're telling your TH-cam audience that you are installing a fake basin to fool an inspector (4:40)? What's going to happen to the homeowner if the city finds out? TH-cam videos are public. Anyone can watch them and forward them. Maybe I misunderstood what you meant by fooling the inspector, but this seems very irresponsible.
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