They genuinely did her dirty like she is so cute but she just doesn't do that much...i tried so much to improve her but she just doesn't and if u want her to 36 star u need high investment teams like furina, kazuha xilonen c6 bennett and everyone doesn't have them...i personally was forced to switch to arle coze she can't 36 star...again she is not bad but a viable option if u have her and not other meta pyro dps
Clorinde, Wanderer, Yae, Wriothesley, Ayaka, Cyno, Ganyu, Ayato, Itto, Klee I know there's a pretty big gap in powerlevel but that's what I can come up with.
If we pretend he really is bad, Tighnari has no business being bottom 10 just by virtue of the fact that he’s Dendro. The element alone is too strong for him to be realistically that bad.
who even said tighnari is even bad, he's consistently able to easily clear any abyss that does directly hard counter him, and he's dendro as you said AND a boy character for stuff like aeon blight drake. his charge attack and burst hit so much and have good numbers too and he has good F2P weapon with slingshot cuz of EM scaling not needing a ton of base atk
@@cleod7439 I'd say sure for Cyno cause i don't have him nor care for him but I can confidently say there's no archetype in which Tighnari is better than Itto or Xiao in their premium teams lol. Like you cannot possibly tell me that a C0R0 Tighnari + Miko, Furina and Nahida will perform as well as Xiao + Faruzan C6, Furina and Xianyun or Itto + Chiori, Gorou and ZL at equal investment lol
@@Zoalde apparently you're a bad take haver too, i've been consistently 36*ing abyss with nari since march of last year and i can confidently say you're full of old rope
Even considering Yae to be bottom 10 is a crime. Just because Fischl exists doesn't make her bad. It's like saying Xinqiu is bad because Furina/Yelan exists.
Yae works far different than Fischl in actual combat, maybe on paper their similair, but yae's onfield time gives very very different roles. Though i will say she is a low account impact character account wise, she dosen't provice any actually support and is pretty much a dps
she is ? Her field time is high but she is an off fielder her damage is nothing literally, mavuika being a dps does better off fielding than yae whose entire role is off fielding and she is a 5 star, she is only viable in idk maybe spread? But who plays spread in 2025 lol
Yeah, I was baffled by his Yoimiya. My bro was using Skyward Harp and 2P+2P atk% on her. Just why? Her second best weapon after her signiture is Rust which is a 4 star weapon. Not to mention, 4P shim set is EXTREMELY important for her. How can you take his words seriously when he doesn't even know how to build some of his characters.
@@cleod7439 I'm the rare Quickbloom Tighnari player, he feels great filling the gap between my Cyno's rotation and downtime, plus he gets to battery my DMC on top of that.
It feels wrong to see Eula this low it’s obviously hoyo fault for neglecting physical for so long and not letting her scale on both physical and cryo buffs
It's true though. She basically hasn't gotten anything other than Furina in the past two years and Furina isn't particularly amazing for her compared to how good she is for some other carries like Hu Tao. She needed a Faruzan-tier buff to keep up and Mika ain't it
Recently to my surprise i seen ppl having hopes for Eula time to shine with dedicated supports just because physical is overdue for love but i really dont see it the new supports will have to triple Eula damage for her to make it into a good unit.
@@tatotato85it’d have to be insane buffs. Even though she can’t use scrolls set or xilonen. Her best team still has furina and Bennett/a bennett equivalent in Mika and she still very subpar. That should be enough for pretty much most other carry’s
I honestly think they tried with Mika but by sheer incompetence they fucked it up. I think Hoyo thought "oh ATK speed would be extremely strong for Eula since it would make her burst much stronger", not realizing that ATK speed essentially does nothing for claymores because of hitlag. Like if hitlag didn't exist and Eula fully benefited from Mika's atk speed buff, it actually would be an insane buff to her, but they had 2 years to figure out these interactions and didn't do anything about it.
@@SelikBzdy Nah, she destroyed the abyss with Ayaka back when she was released. Her and honestly on that note ayaka's problem is that cryo is just not in meta outside of melt. We'll see if it improves in 6.0
@Decus86 Ayaka was pretty strong on her own. Shenhe buffs are just really not that impressive to begin with. Couple it with energy problems. Foŕ her to be relevant again, we need a cryo Mavuika - a unit with a very big single hit nuke.
@SelikBzdy nah, it was busted back then. Especially with c1 basically applying her thing to the entire ayaka's burst. Shenhe's own burst is secondary compared to her E skill. It made ayaka hit 100k+ even on her normals, which at the time was insane.
2.0 characters im lowkey realizing they just threw anything at the wall for those characters kits, yoimiya, yae, ayato, shenhe like even itto and kokomi cause hes gimmick def unit and she didnt even get her hydro app till release 😭like half of them came out with PROBLEMS and then most of then got out done by a 3-5.0 character with ease.
yeah maybe if they didn't give every inazuma character 80 energy burst cost too. it's insane that itto needs 80 energy, if he would be released now he would have 60 cost literally. personally think def scaling is pretty cool but if the actual damage is ass then there's nothing you can do
The wanderer slander still is so weird tbh. He's just like... Small Xiao. Xiao is also ass without Faru, so the way he talks about him feels strange. I guess he just really really hates hid gameplay
Wanderer is definitely below xiao, but not that LOW. Idk much about xiao coz i don't have him, but wanderer's gameplay feels so bad without faru and also a shielder.
@actpianocover6329 I think he's fine to play with a shielder but ONLY if you have attack speed sources, like from his set, his Sig, c1, yunjin, Mika... And only if you actually play him doing normals (the insistence on CA spam is also weird as hell). That way you trigger his dodging passive a LOT more and it's really noticeable in my experience. But yeah regardless, I agree Xiao is better at a baseline! Although, yeah, like you said, not as bad. I think zajef is just traumatized from his high expectations lmao
As a wanderer main who has xiao, I think the big gap between them isnt specifically the way they do damage (plunge just has better multipliers, period) but their dedicated supports or the lack thereof in the case of Wanderer.. faru is great but primarily at c6 and feels clunky otherwise to warrant what she did before c6 and, more importantly, can be used with xiao’s team as well. Bigger issue for wanderer’s side is xianyun; xiao has xianyun and faruzan boosting his damage but so much and giving him survivability which wanderer suffers from both being squishy and him being so much as touched will tank his dps bc that egregious knockback
@ Oml and make this unit anemo (maybe pyro) and we can actually have a sufficient buffer for other units like yoimya, clorinde, and other units dependent on their NAs (pls hoyo Im begging for a five star dedicated NA buffer)
@@--6560 Stop the cope , dehya is so bad for both mualani and kinich , mavuika is much better , even pyro MC better cause he at least can use cinder city
@@kingdoom5022no shit mavuika is better, they're saying she's MEDIOCRE but as far a support for mualani goes applying pyro at convenient intervals and providing interruption resistance is enough
@AugustoZoli-cl6xf dehya pyro app is neither fast or strong enough for mualani what are you on about, it's only good in buring vape, but buring is just unbelievably cope so people just use xianling instead
@Sei_Less That people underestimate him way too much like he's some bottom tier unit. This past abyss that people complained is hard AF I didn't even notice cuz I blazed through with Nari on bottom side. He shines amazingly in ST and his quickswappyness to me is an amazing upside which, paired with his blazing quick/short field time and his ranged attacks - also helps with survavibility. Did I mention delicious frontload barrage of green numbers in a ridiculously short dps window? With Nari you'll never worry about Tulpa or Wenut or the mechanical snake boss ever again imho, same for flying aeonblight cuz ur main is a bow already (while barley feeling like a cumbersome CA bow attacker because he shoots just so damn QUICK without compromising any dmg for this quickness). Also he frees up almost all strong supports for your 2nd side, cuz you can use Nahida/Furina interchangably on his team and it's rare you'd need both on the 2nd side.
@@TaseJaw "lying" lmao wild thing to say 🤡 even IF, good thing that abyss is freakin ST on at least one side then for past million years; it's only damn bosses, so it doesn't even make a difference. Not like I can link you a pic with a proof on YT so sure keep feeling like you're right lol.
As usual Zajef doesn't really include whether people like playing a character or not. In her best team Klee at C0R0 Klee does more damage than either Yoimiya or Tighnari. People just plain hate playing her though, so I would put Klee in the bottom 10...
As Klee main, Klee's damage is actually crazy. She is flexible, can be used as DPS, burgeon trigger, or even support. The only downside is that she is super clunky and feels horrible to play. Yoimiya feels easier to play, but as a unit solely feels the role as DPS, her damage is very comparable to klee's and probably even less since she is very single target. Even in single target content, i would still rather use anyone else. And also the fact that her burst actively screws her damage is just the cherry on top.
it carried his ass for 3-4 years before neuvillete is out, and still one of the good C0 speedrunner, aint no way its that ass conpared to the one mentioned relax lol
I played it before and personally I don't find any reason to play it over Yae/Fischl/Baizhu/Kazuha. Tighnari's biggest issue is just teambuilding since his only competitive teams are both shieldless and healerless and playing them is unrealistic.
Both Klee and Cyno's best team are better then Wanderer's best team even though Klee and Cyno are not the best characters in those teams. You can say in a vacuum Wanderer is better than those two but this is team building game and those two characters have better positions in a teambuilding context than wanderer does.
@@None38389I got almost every on field DPS, and as someone who play abyss like once every 3 days(yeah rather than playing story) and I still argue Wanderer-bennet-Faruzan-Furina is still one of the fastest teams I played. I tried Klee(I didn't even try finishing) and ain't no way she's keeping up lol. Altho Cyno-Nahida-Baizhu-Furina is good. That is very Zajeff take...
@@jotape125 In this world, sadly lol. Just check the sims, Cyno's double dendro team with Furina Nahida Baizhu performs slightly better than wanderer teams and Klee with Bennett Kazuha Furina is actually a fair bit better than both of them
I will not forgive Hoyo for how dirty they Yoimiya's kit. I love her to bits as she's my favorite character, but it sucks that she was made in a way where she was doomed from the start with no real help afterwards. (And the help she does get just ends up being better used with other characters).
Kaveh's kit is just so tragic. If his detonation effect happened faster that he could get full bloom ownership in Nilou teams, or remove the core detonation effect, either one would have made him a viable to strong unit.
It really looks like they planned on her to be a standard character but went like "aw cmon, she's a loli, our playerbase may be 50% diddlers and 50% more normail-ish people, let's just try to squeeze some money out of her banner". Specially since it's seems that they're running to add standard 5, stars for every region now so they can do the chronicled banner, Sumeru got tighnari and dehya and now Inazuma got Mizuki
@@guilhermegreffe5063 are there really any significant amount of people who are like that other than memes? Because I genuinely barely saw anyone like that, and the few ones I’ve seen were heavily criticized. Maybe there are convoluted in their corner, and I just don’t want to see it, but idk. “Lolis” in Genshin doesn’t even work very well unless they are broken like nahida, because klee only really sold on her first banner when she was actually considered good, now she barely has any usage
There's something funny about Diluc getting ragged on this hard when he's realistically in a much better spot than most of the other characters in this list.
I feel like this is a case of accessibility bias, cuz Tighnari have an advantage of being both a standard character and have easy to get decent artifacts and weapons. All other dps in standard are on the list ( we don't talk about deyah she is count as kinich burning which mean she did have a team) and most people don't have some "decent" limited 5* dps ( like Klee) cuz they don't do as much as other limited 5*. Thus make many think that those 5* are weak cuz they only got compare to other great 5* dps while Tighnari only got compare to mostly 4* dps making him seem decent . Not to mention because he is easy to build you would probably having a Tighnari with better stat than those 5* when you decided to get them which make the bias grow stronger
As a triple crowned Nari, yeah he's not one of the best, enjoyable to play but let's be realistic here, he isn't as smooth to play as many other dendro reactions related carries
Cryo is such a great element it hard carried this list. You can just put all cryo characters on it and you would get 5/10 points, which is a passing grade in some places. The only truly great cryo playable character hates cryo so much she doesn't buff it.
@wall6587 its mostly against Tulpa or the Eidolons but sure I guess near 900+ EM crystalized shield against an enemy that only deals elemental damage is gonna have a hard time breaking it
It is actually a functional way of building him. Build Albedo full EM and put him in a freeze team. Shatter scales off of EM so Albedo is gone do big PP dmg. You can put an electro teammate for superconduct for him to do even more dmg.
honestly really surprised with the wanderer take, I always thought that the general consensus was that wanderer and xiao are about the same power level but xiao is easier to play due to cloud retainer making him not limited by bennet burst circle impact
Because his damage is just that insane. And unlike Tighnari and Ganyu he gets a lot of mileage from his skill and burst, meaning fewer charged attacks overall. A well built Lyney does so much damage that you might only need to make one or two CAs a floor, and that's a much lower bar to clear than Tighnari or Melt Ganyu have.
She just doesnt fit on any team thanks to fischl existing. All the Fischl+ Yae teams dont have an onfielder so you can just run an onfielder instead of yae.
She feels ass to play. All she has to do is stand there and attack, but she can't even do that well.... im not gonna lie, though yoimiya double hydro is very cool visually
@@plzloveme8575Same bro. I played the game back in Inazuma for her, got her weapon, genuinely helped me clear abyss back then... but rn she's got like no artifacts and her bow is on Fischl lmao
@tomabo4400 her 4 piece shim is my best set because I dedicated my efforts to her. Now, that set stays as a 2ps 2ps for other characters because it's so good but wasted on her....
Mona should be higher, like I get it, her kit has many flaws but sheer amount of buffs she can provide (5 seconds of 60% all dmg bonus + TTDS + Tenacity) imo, makes her more valuable than Shenhe or Albedou
I know, I have 250% ER Mona, and it's barely enough, but even if you burst every second rotation, I still think she is more valuable then Shenhe or Albedou. Also, I forgot mention but Hydro is simple a good element and even her awful off-field Hydro ap is enough to vape most of Arle's or Mavuika's dmg, wich is another thing, that increases her value
@@tasha2749 aintnoway you compared mona to faruzan, sure she has some energy issues but she ascends with ER and using her skill isn't clunky like faruzan skill pre C6 I haven't used her in a bit but the last time I used was with instructor and had no ER issues
@@RieMUisthegoaT i call it bullshit, make a vidio on current f12-1-1 using ttds mona instructor on mavuika team and show me she can cast her q off cd, she generate 3-4 particle that you catch off field because you do q e to maximize hydro uptime, i genuinely cant get her burst back on ttds with 2 emblem + rainbow max er on 260%ish er
@@Parmedziano_Redziano using her q every other rotation, what a joke Surely shenhe shread + cryo dmg + noble's and icy quil stack is worse than character who can only give 68% atk 🤣
Kaveh could be also better if the bloom seeds he detonates scaled of his em meaning you could go full dmg for your supports. would still be ass probably but at least there would be a cohesion to his kit
Has anyone else been having weird static issues in Zajef's recent videos? There's sometimes a quick static noise that plays like at around 10:03 in the video
I think Yae is pretty good. Yes, she's not really "meta", and she kind of depends on Nahida, and she's mostly an aggravate DPS. However, my impression is that especially considering her "generation" she tends to overperform. It is true that she doesn't have enough downtime to allow for an actual dual-on-field-DPS setup other than Tighnary, however, it doesn't mean the off-field is useless. You can use some of her downtime to battery supports, or keep switching to another character such that two characters receive an on-field buff. Most notably, you can keep switching-in Nahida and Yae to get more aggravates with their N1 and to share the on-field Nahida EM buff. She also does well in scenarios with various enemies, because her random targeting allows her to apply electro pretty fast (i.e. she bypasses the 3-hit rule targeting enemies at random). On the other hand, in non-dendro teams, she's probably not good enough anymore. If you're not using her to trigger reactions, her multipliers show her age. She's definitely not a high-value pull nowadays, but for people that already have her, she's doing fine.
HOW THE F TIGHNARI IS IN THERE BUT DEHYA NOT? L TAKE. Im not even tighnari main but i know he has more use than dehya. Legit that gurl ain't doing anything. Bias take.
@@notsolongkinich can use literally all pyro characters even hutao in boss content one instance of pyro is all he needs , and even if we talking about actually useful characters , we have Toma , pyro mc , mavuika , Bennett and tankfei . I personally used tighnary all this time from his first banner until the latest abyss and he always got his half in a good time maybe I am biased I am tighnary main after all but . even tho I have dehya I never have encountered situation when I was thinking about using dehya over any other pyro character , its not even funny , there literally only two teams where dehya can be a considerable option, cocogoat teams and mualani teams and that's all.
As a Yoimiya and a pre-dendro Keqing main when we think about the list at 15:38 Yoimiya definitely is and must be in here. She has flaws in her kit and her vape teams does not feel great because you can't invest vertically unlike Hu tao's teams, but not anything you can't work around(AOE situations). Also personally I hate her vape teams. Chevreuse was a god tier upgrade because of Yoimiya's synergy with Fischl. Also I recommend you guys to watch these channels for these units if you are interested : Xendell - for Yoimiya ; F2PKeqing - for Keqing content. Their content is really good. (Also putting Shenhe over Yoimiya and putting Sigewinne over Eula is crazy!) And Kaveh should be in this list before or after Aloy.
She's Definitely one of the worst 5 Stars but being able to use vv and ttds instantly makes her better than qiqi lol Like you can simply swap into her use N1 and go back to your carry to activate vv and ttds Still worse than Tighnari imo
keep in mind that with the right teams, you can still clear content with these characters. just expect them to perform much poorly compared to others in the same role. I still play eula and ning sometimes because of how much they carried me in the first 1 or 2 years of playing genshin. newer units have better clear times, sure, but newer units have also helped keep these characters relevant and useful in todays genshin
7:22 i also agree as i tried both in threatre as trail characters and while xaio was able to hold is own on the early chambers, wanderer did acutal less dps than my taser build surcose in a non taser RNG threatre team. Xiao if you have his full team is an acutal insane unit while wanderer with his BiS teams just becomes average if not only slightly above that. He does benefit alot from constellations but as a mainly c0 player that thrives on horizontal investment i see no reason to pull wanderer outside of exploration who i already have chasca for anyways
If I had to pick a mid hypercarry I would pick him too. Not just imaginaruim or abyss there's so many events here and there where I think it would have been nice if I had xiao
Speak your truth, brother! Scara is my favorite character in the game, but I genuinely hate his kit and think he's absolute ass to use. I also had horrible experiences with him in the theatre. Worse than charged shot DPS like Ganyu and Lyney for sure. Meanwhile, Xiao in FFXX is arguably a top 3 DPS in all of Genshin and he feels satisfying to play, especially in multi-wave and AOE.
Xiao's FFXX team is absurd. No energy issues, no circle impact, you can even dodge most attacks because of plunge. Not to mention damage is incredibly good and massive aoe. Wanderer really can't compete. I have both of them at C1 and triple crowned with their dedicated sets.
This list instantly tells me what characters you haven’t actually played. It also shows your bias towards familiar chars. I bet you tested Dehya a lot cuz she has been very controversial. So you think oh I’ve played Dehya a lot she’s not that bad. But then you just think tighnari and wanderer are at the bottom. Meh
I will say this: Yun jin does give a lot of buffs for a carry. Like you have the attack speed buff from your constellation, the ~2000 flat atk and archaic petra. But in the Video you didn't even talk about her and Mika.
zajef said in some earlier video that mika is actually crazy good phys support and the main problem with him is that nobody needs his buffs (because all phys carries now are claymore users and atk speed buffs are useless to them) probably zajef didn't even put them in the bottom 10 since video suddenly ended there
Yunjin is just deceptively terrible. All the things she gives come at the cost of funneling her burst and eventually you just ask yourself why not run any other buffer that has less issues and provides more effective buffs. We even have units that make use of everything she does and she still isnt BiS.
I like yunjin, Shes way too underrated!! She's a four star that buffs like crazy. She's a like faruzan for normal/ charged attack characters if you invest in her. It's a def pole arm you can craft that's works really good with her.
The biggest disadvantage of Yunjin is that she's just homeless. She doesn't have a team that she's actually BiS in, even for normal attackers. Yoimiya prefers double hydro, Ayato doesn't exist, Arlecchino gains more from Bennett or even Xingqiu in that slot.
@@luminous3558 Yun jin is really strong with Xilonen and Clorinde. Clorinde scale at 80% from normal attacks, even her E so Yu jin buff work on it, and Xilonen's presence allow her to use a 2pc scroll for 12 flat energy back every rotation + 5 geo particles. In that team she don't have any energy problems anymore
People who are confused with Dehyas placement is that, other than some meme-able C4 Mona , C2/C4 Jean ; are you really looking forward to getting more cons on standard 5*? Like, Tighnari is fine at C0, Jean was alright with Furinas' release, but you can play Xilonen now and slot Kazuha back in... Diluc cons for Diluc lovers who play with Xianyun?... Mona cons, like Morgana players are even rarer than Eula mains at this point... If we get a couple more 5* standard selectors in the future, then C6ing a standard 5* isn't that far fetched of a dream (until they decide to drop a Geo char in there).
Zajef, I really think you should play Alhaitam and tighnari in similar teams, you'll find out Tighnaris is pretty close to him and if you do some showcase team, like Nahida Furina Kuki you'll see some great clear times
12:10 It was ME that was sending the sim of Albedo in the 80k DPS Mavuika team! He's one of the better options if you're in Bennett-less with Xilonen and Citlali
Lol I don't know in what world Ganyu feels that much worse to play than Lyney, she basically doesn't have a burst in melt but it's really the same team with worse energy gen. I've been charge shotting since she came out tho.
Lyney at least has nice I frames with his burst and has frontload unlike Ganyu. He can kill waves fast enough basically. Ganyu just feels awful in every way. (Lyney still feels ass)
@@justawalter9752I just completely disagree. Lyney is the worst feeling character to play IMO and I vastly prefer Ganyu. As to "worth", historically Ganyu spend a long time being extremely powerful and sought after vs the rest of the games characters. She was a core to extremely meta teams with Morgana. She then was over taken as a damage dealer , but she still is able to provide massive amounts of AoE cryo with a burst that you can basically have 100% uptime on. Meanwhile characters like Lyney were a drop in the bucket of pyro DPS characters even on release and can't provide anything worthwhile to a team outside that role.
@@JustSomeGuy009 the difference between them is 64k Dps at kqms from Ganyu in her best team (Mavuika, Bennett, Xilonen) vs 78k dps with Lyney. My brotha that is a massive difference, while they are both ass to play Lyney at least has some pay off while having frontload and Iframes. Ganyu is outdated and the fact you mention Morgana kinda shows how you live in the past cuz that team is unable to clear right now
14:25 Bro, that chat comment made no sense. Mika's C6 buff in single-target scenarios is basically Bennett's buff for Phys main dps, without using the ATK SPD or the additional 30% Phys Damage in situations with more enemies. So, is Lisa's DEF shred + TTDS close to Bennett's buff too? Why does no one use Lisa then? I remember Lisa+TTDS was used to compare her with Kujou Sara pre C6, but Sara isn’t a teamwide healer like Mika, and her buff's uptime is terrible, which seemed to make the comparison somewhat reasonable.
its always so much fun to see people do mental gymnastics to defend their shit favorite units lmao my favorite is Mona, she is shit but i dont defend she is a shit tier unit great ass tho
I use her in Chasca teams in abyss when my Furina is on the other half with Neuvillette. Recently I played Chasca, Mona, Bennett, Ororon team and it felt quite nice
We have quite a few other, better sources of EM that come with superior characters. As an Albedo haver who got him because he's my favorite character in the story, he is worse than yoimiya at the very least
hi @Zajef Daily , can we have some sort of transition (for example the old outro) before the "I take a look" song begins so that if we aren't wearing headphones we can be prepared LMAO
It's insane how a unit that buffing your entire team's damage by 25% and doing ok-ish 8-9k off-field dps is even considering top 10 bottom Yeah, Lisa is that unit
This is a hill I will die on. Wanderer was never meant to be Xiao powercreep. He was meant to be Yoimiya powercreep. And he still is. That’s why he’s ass 🗣️🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
The only time I use Diluc is when I feel like playing Xianyun with him doing vape dragonstrikes against mobs that staggers so much like the damn vishaps cuz I like making my life a struggle smh.
I still play ayato but lowkey he's like a hydro deyha these days. Clunky short on field mash m1, with a middling off field app from their other ability. At least dehya has some utiity
I’ve actually cleared abyss with a mona+yelan+hu tao team while XQ was busy doing hyperbloom on the other side. It worked… pretty well actually. Yelan and mona battery each other and mona holds ttds.
@@Adrian-mk9vr Ah I missed that part, saw that 5-star lists with and without 4-stars were made so I just assumed Traveler would be considered at some point
People are really sleeping on ningguang, at c6, she is easily the second best 4 star dps only beaten by gaming and the new navia set and xilonen buffed her alot, i am shocked she made it to the bottom 10 list
I see people struggle in abyss with Mavuika and other people cleared easily with yoimiya just bc the love (aka invesment level) that you give to your characters matters 🤗🤗
The wanderer takes are insane tho, he is mid, but a contender for bottom ten is wild, i don't even know how jean escaped the list, being a furina healer doesnt make the character good, its just like saying kachina is good because of the cinder city artifact
The whole 5 Yoimiya mains out there are probably punching the air rn 💀
and the air keeps saying "keep punching me, it doesn't even hurts, just like your main"
Honestly yeah, but not because I don't agree lol. Mainly because in hindsight it's more and more obvious how hard they undercooked our poor girl.
They genuinely did her dirty like she is so cute but she just doesn't do that much...i tried so much to improve her but she just doesn't and if u want her to 36 star u need high investment teams like furina, kazuha xilonen c6 bennett and everyone doesn't have them...i personally was forced to switch to arle coze she can't 36 star...again she is not bad but a viable option if u have her and not other meta pyro dps
I have her at like 235 cv no sig but all premium teams and shes just not it. Being locked at single target completely ruins her
And Yoimiya: th-cam.com/users/shortsDTC6de5XbHY?si=Lr7u-EI7nr8c6fee
Now top 10 mid characters to complete the trilogy
“clorinde is the best mid character” -jeffrey
do averagest mid instead
Do you want to be my Pyronado? Cuz I could be your Fantastic Voyage + Passion Overload
Clorinde, Wanderer, Yae, Wriothesley, Ayaka, Cyno, Ganyu, Ayato, Itto, Klee
I know there's a pretty big gap in powerlevel but that's what I can come up with.
@@aerohydra3849 clorinde is just a gap above every1 here so u may as well put like tighnari here (cos he definitely isn't bottom10)
If we pretend he really is bad, Tighnari has no business being bottom 10 just by virtue of the fact that he’s Dendro. The element alone is too strong for him to be realistically that bad.
who even said tighnari is even bad, he's consistently able to easily clear any abyss that does directly hard counter him, and he's dendro as you said AND a boy character for stuff like aeon blight drake. his charge attack and burst hit so much and have good numbers too and he has good F2P weapon with slingshot cuz of EM scaling not needing a ton of base atk
Worse doesn't mean bad
honestly as much as i hate to admit it my tighnari has faster clear times than my neuvilette.
Dendro card is playable in Hyperbloom only
@@noahd531 You never tried alhaitham and tighnari spread, or nilou bloom, or Raiden chlorinde aggravate then
This is Tighnari slander
Absolute Tighnari defamation
Has he ever played tighnari? Insane ranking lol
tighnari doesnt deserve to be no where NEAR the bottom characters
@@soroushkowsarian3364he's not bad, he's just worse than most other DPS in the game (C6R1 Tighnari haver here!)
@@Zoaldequickbloom tignari is literally better than all cyno, itto, wanderer, xiao teams.
I think he have only play spread tignari
@@cleod7439 I'd say sure for Cyno cause i don't have him nor care for him but I can confidently say there's no archetype in which Tighnari is better than Itto or Xiao in their premium teams lol. Like you cannot possibly tell me that a C0R0 Tighnari + Miko, Furina and Nahida will perform as well as Xiao + Faruzan C6, Furina and Xianyun or Itto + Chiori, Gorou and ZL at equal investment lol
@@Zoalde apparently you're a bad take haver too, i've been consistently 36*ing abyss with nari since march of last year and i can confidently say you're full of old rope
Even considering Yae to be bottom 10 is a crime. Just because Fischl exists doesn't make her bad. It's like saying Xinqiu is bad because Furina/Yelan exists.
The difference is yae is a 5 star and i think if u have Fischl there’s little point in getting her
Yae works far different than Fischl in actual combat, maybe on paper their similair, but yae's onfield time gives very very different roles.
Though i will say she is a low account impact character account wise, she dosen't provice any actually support and is pretty much a dps
@Astro4Knowledge so are like, 50% of characters in this game
@@substitutedoll5224 dps have less priority on accounts typically yes, this can change from account to account ofc as most things do
she is ? Her field time is high but she is an off fielder her damage is nothing literally, mavuika being a dps does better off fielding than yae whose entire role is off fielding and she is a 5 star, she is only viable in idk maybe spread? But who plays spread in 2025 lol
this video just shows to me how omega clueless he is about charcters he just doesnt like
it's always the people who pulled for shit units that cope the most about them
@@ForsakenAgonythis is 2025 brother.
Im pretty sure a theorycrafter would know more about these characters than you
Yeah, I was baffled by his Yoimiya. My bro was using Skyward Harp and 2P+2P atk% on her. Just why? Her second best weapon after her signiture is Rust which is a 4 star weapon. Not to mention, 4P shim set is EXTREMELY important for her. How can you take his words seriously when he doesn't even know how to build some of his characters.
he is right tho, this isnt sumeru, Natlan has made a lot of past character useless
Klee and Dehya over Big T is crazy...
Is because most people refuse to play quickbloom tignari for some reason
@@cleod7439 I'm the rare Quickbloom Tighnari player, he feels great filling the gap between my Cyno's rotation and downtime, plus he gets to battery my DMC on top of that.
@@cleod7439 I know tighnari is not meta, but quickbloom with furina and nahida is so good
@@cleod7439 it's just because most casual cant play melee tighnari quickbloom smoothly, just like lyney he's vulnerable to stunlock and oneshot.
@@cleod7439 unironically my faster clear in the last abyss was tighnari quickbloom
It feels wrong to see Eula this low it’s obviously hoyo fault for neglecting physical for so long and not letting her scale on both physical and cryo buffs
It's true though. She basically hasn't gotten anything other than Furina in the past two years and Furina isn't particularly amazing for her compared to how good she is for some other carries like Hu Tao. She needed a Faruzan-tier buff to keep up and Mika ain't it
EULA HAS PROBLEMS OTHER THAN THE COLOR OF THE NUMBER SHE DOES
Recently to my surprise i seen ppl having hopes for Eula time to shine with dedicated supports just because physical is overdue for love but i really dont see it the new supports will have to triple Eula damage for her to make it into a good unit.
@@tatotato85it’d have to be insane buffs. Even though she can’t use scrolls set or xilonen. Her best team still has furina and Bennett/a bennett equivalent in Mika and she still very subpar. That should be enough for pretty much most other carry’s
I honestly think they tried with Mika but by sheer incompetence they fucked it up. I think Hoyo thought "oh ATK speed would be extremely strong for Eula since it would make her burst much stronger", not realizing that ATK speed essentially does nothing for claymores because of hitlag. Like if hitlag didn't exist and Eula fully benefited from Mika's atk speed buff, it actually would be an insane buff to her, but they had 2 years to figure out these interactions and didn't do anything about it.
He failed to consider that shenhe is beautiful and i like looking at her
me too but she aged very poorly (truth be told, she was not good to begin with)
This alone makes her top 5
@@SelikBzdy Nah, she destroyed the abyss with Ayaka back when she was released. Her and honestly on that note ayaka's problem is that cryo is just not in meta outside of melt. We'll see if it improves in 6.0
@Decus86 Ayaka was pretty strong on her own. Shenhe buffs are just really not that impressive to begin with. Couple it with energy problems. Foŕ her to be relevant again, we need a cryo Mavuika - a unit with a very big single hit nuke.
@SelikBzdy nah, it was busted back then. Especially with c1 basically applying her thing to the entire ayaka's burst. Shenhe's own burst is secondary compared to her E skill. It made ayaka hit 100k+ even on her normals, which at the time was insane.
The 2 Eula mains still alive in shambles after this (I am Eula mains)
Found the other one
I'm a Eula main, too.
It's a sad day for us Eula mains
I am a Eula main and have no problem clearing abyss
@@traincore1955 unless you are C6 or playing hyperbloom, you are capping my friend.
2.0 characters im lowkey realizing they just threw anything at the wall for those characters kits, yoimiya, yae, ayato, shenhe like even itto and kokomi cause hes gimmick def unit and she didnt even get her hydro app till release 😭like half of them came out with PROBLEMS and then most of then got out done by a 3-5.0 character with ease.
yeah maybe if they didn't give every inazuma character 80 energy burst cost too. it's insane that itto needs 80 energy, if he would be released now he would have 60 cost literally. personally think def scaling is pretty cool but if the actual damage is ass then there's nothing you can do
The only actually good inazuma five stars left are raiden kokomi kazuha and chiori (?) like the only region with worse five stars is mondstadt 😭
@@CHATGPT-fm4fz all inazuma chars are awful except kazuha
@@heaventsentsaintno wonder he went to china
@@kartoffelstein3627 he needs 70
This is the most adequate zajef tier list by far. His tighnari slander is ridiculous tho.
The wanderer slander still is so weird tbh. He's just like... Small Xiao. Xiao is also ass without Faru, so the way he talks about him feels strange. I guess he just really really hates hid gameplay
Wanderer is definitely below xiao, but not that LOW.
Idk much about xiao coz i don't have him, but wanderer's gameplay feels so bad without faru and also a shielder.
@actpianocover6329 I think he's fine to play with a shielder but ONLY if you have attack speed sources, like from his set, his Sig, c1, yunjin, Mika... And only if you actually play him doing normals (the insistence on CA spam is also weird as hell). That way you trigger his dodging passive a LOT more and it's really noticeable in my experience.
But yeah regardless, I agree Xiao is better at a baseline! Although, yeah, like you said, not as bad. I think zajef is just traumatized from his high expectations lmao
As a wanderer main who has xiao, I think the big gap between them isnt specifically the way they do damage (plunge just has better multipliers, period) but their dedicated supports or the lack thereof in the case of Wanderer.. faru is great but primarily at c6 and feels clunky otherwise to warrant what she did before c6 and, more importantly, can be used with xiao’s team as well. Bigger issue for wanderer’s side is xianyun; xiao has xianyun and faruzan boosting his damage but so much and giving him survivability which wanderer suffers from both being squishy and him being so much as touched will tank his dps bc that egregious knockback
He just needs a fat NA support. Like, Yun Jin+Mika at the same time. A cleanse could also be nice since getting affected by cryo sucks ass with him
@ Oml and make this unit anemo (maybe pyro) and we can actually have a sufficient buffer for other units like yoimya, clorinde, and other units dependent on their NAs (pls hoyo Im begging for a five star dedicated NA buffer)
I cant believe you put Tighnari in there and not Deyha smh
tbf Dehya got a lot better with the release of Mualani and Kinich, and Zajef values mediocre supports more than mediocre DPS
@@--6560
Stop the cope , dehya is so bad for both mualani and kinich , mavuika is much better , even pyro MC better cause he at least can use cinder city
@@kingdoom5022 true
@@kingdoom5022no shit mavuika is better, they're saying she's MEDIOCRE but as far a support for mualani goes applying pyro at convenient intervals and providing interruption resistance is enough
@AugustoZoli-cl6xf dehya pyro app is neither fast or strong enough for mualani what are you on about, it's only good in buring vape, but buring is just unbelievably cope so people just use xianling instead
Itto mains got an apology from Zajef out of nowhere, unexpected but highly appreciated
Too many bottom Cryo people... a sad day indeed. Citlali you old fossil, you supposed to also shred cryo dangit.
Wait for the cryo archon bruhh 💀💀💀
Cryo archon shield and aoe cryo application just like the slime
they didn't want her to powercreep shenhe that's the only reason om
Cryo is not a bad element. All the cryo characters they released are just way too old and way too bad.
Wrio is the only one that can be saved.
@@luminous3558 bro Wrio has like 0 AoE and straight up can't do damage without a healer (pre C1 at least)
"Tighnari is a weak unit" vs my Tighnari literally carrying me every abyss 😭 (well maybe not this one but this one is ass ok)
this guy is idiot
even amber can carry you in the abyss, whats your point?
@Sei_Less That people underestimate him way too much like he's some bottom tier unit. This past abyss that people complained is hard AF I didn't even notice cuz I blazed through with Nari on bottom side. He shines amazingly in ST and his quickswappyness to me is an amazing upside which, paired with his blazing quick/short field time and his ranged attacks - also helps with survavibility. Did I mention delicious frontload barrage of green numbers in a ridiculously short dps window? With Nari you'll never worry about Tulpa or Wenut or the mechanical snake boss ever again imho, same for flying aeonblight cuz ur main is a bow already (while barley feeling like a cumbersome CA bow attacker because he shoots just so damn QUICK without compromising any dmg for this quickness). Also he frees up almost all strong supports for your 2nd side, cuz you can use Nahida/Furina interchangably on his team and it's rare you'd need both on the 2nd side.
your lying, tighnari cant carry abyss unless the floor is strictly single target
@@TaseJaw "lying" lmao wild thing to say 🤡 even IF, good thing that abyss is freakin ST on at least one side then for past million years; it's only damn bosses, so it doesn't even make a difference. Not like I can link you a pic with a proof on YT so sure keep feeling like you're right lol.
i am so glad that there's many people in comments agreeing that Tighnari doesnt deserve this
Tighnari is pretty dham good .. your out of touch my guy
Look, I don't like Yoimiya either, but surley her and Tighnari are better than Klee☠☠.
As usual Zajef doesn't really include whether people like playing a character or not. In her best team Klee at C0R0 Klee does more damage than either Yoimiya or Tighnari. People just plain hate playing her though, so I would put Klee in the bottom 10...
As Klee main, Klee's damage is actually crazy. She is flexible, can be used as DPS, burgeon trigger, or even support. The only downside is that she is super clunky and feels horrible to play.
Yoimiya feels easier to play, but as a unit solely feels the role as DPS, her damage is very comparable to klee's and probably even less since she is very single target. Even in single target content, i would still rather use anyone else. And also the fact that her burst actively screws her damage is just the cherry on top.
Klee has good numbers, the issue is a lot of people don’t enjoy playing her
Well you’d be surprised, Klee is not as weak as you think she is. She’s not super strong but yoimiya is just so underwhelming that even Klee is better
Im using klee xianyun plunge and its real good
got so scared my wife tartaglia would catch a stray 😮💨
We've dodged another bullet comrades
safe for now
it carried his ass for 3-4 years before neuvillete is out, and still one of the good C0 speedrunner, aint no way its that ass conpared to the one mentioned relax lol
Zajef talks like he never played the Tighnari Yae Nahida Zhongli team and it shows.
That team is not that great... lol literally just use fischl
@@mochidomo lolno
@@mochidomo yeah, zhongli should be changed with fischl if that’s what you meant, tighnari is not even that cringe to play as a charge attacker
Thing is. He used to play it a lot when he first got Tighnari but with Raiden instead of Yae because he don't have her
I played it before and personally I don't find any reason to play it over Yae/Fischl/Baizhu/Kazuha. Tighnari's biggest issue is just teambuilding since his only competitive teams are both shieldless and healerless and playing them is unrealistic.
Saying Wanderer is worse than Klee and Cyno is actually crazy
Both Klee and Cyno's best team are better then Wanderer's best team even though Klee and Cyno are not the best characters in those teams. You can say in a vacuum Wanderer is better than those two but this is team building game and those two characters have better positions in a teambuilding context than wanderer does.
@@None38389 In what world Klee and Cyno's best teams are better than Wanderer?
@@None38389I got almost every on field DPS, and as someone who play abyss like once every 3 days(yeah rather than playing story) and I still argue Wanderer-bennet-Faruzan-Furina is still one of the fastest teams I played. I tried Klee(I didn't even try finishing) and ain't no way she's keeping up lol. Altho Cyno-Nahida-Baizhu-Furina is good.
That is very Zajeff take...
@@jotape125 In this world, sadly lol. Just check the sims, Cyno's double dendro team with Furina Nahida Baizhu performs slightly better than wanderer teams and Klee with Bennett Kazuha Furina is actually a fair bit better than both of them
@@Daverf1f what team is bro calcing wanda faru bennet furina is pretty good
I will not forgive Hoyo for how dirty they Yoimiya's kit. I love her to bits as she's my favorite character, but it sucks that she was made in a way where she was doomed from the start with no real help afterwards. (And the help she does get just ends up being better used with other characters).
Kaveh's kit is just so tragic. If his detonation effect happened faster that he could get full bloom ownership in Nilou teams, or remove the core detonation effect, either one would have made him a viable to strong unit.
like bruh i dont even know sigewinne a 5star
She was originally going to be a 4* and Neuvillete was set to be a 6*, he felt bad and gave one of his stars to the little melusine. That's the story
@@CM_684You got the story perfectly 😂, GOAT
It really looks like they planned on her to be a standard character but went like "aw cmon, she's a loli, our playerbase may be 50% diddlers and 50% more normail-ish people, let's just try to squeeze some money out of her banner".
Specially since it's seems that they're running to add standard 5, stars for every region now so they can do the chronicled banner, Sumeru got tighnari and dehya and now Inazuma got Mizuki
@@CM_684 sounds like a zy0x resin story (true)
@@guilhermegreffe5063 are there really any significant amount of people who are like that other than memes? Because I genuinely barely saw anyone like that, and the few ones I’ve seen were heavily criticized. Maybe there are convoluted in their corner, and I just don’t want to see it, but idk. “Lolis” in Genshin doesn’t even work very well unless they are broken like nahida, because klee only really sold on her first banner when she was actually considered good, now she barely has any usage
Ain't no way siggy is the top 10 worst character, she literally powercreep Neuvillette and deals more dng than 6 mavuika alone. Om ta ABOBA
Shit i mean dmg
@@arygunawho850Bavardage
Godwinne > midlani, midvuika,midvuiliette
Hahaha, sure, cope
Sigemillion dmg true ta
Physical needs some kind of buff, it's insane how bad physical DMG has been destroyed by hoyo, at least some kind of gimmick
There's something funny about Diluc getting ragged on this hard when he's realistically in a much better spot than most of the other characters in this list.
Tighnari is so much better than most dps below i don't know what zaj reasons for him putting tigh in the worst characters
exactly
I feel like this is a case of accessibility bias, cuz Tighnari have an advantage of being both a standard character and have easy to get decent artifacts and weapons.
All other dps in standard are on the list ( we don't talk about deyah she is count as kinich burning which mean she did have a team) and most people don't have some "decent" limited 5* dps ( like Klee) cuz they don't do as much as other limited 5*. Thus make many think that those 5* are weak cuz they only got compare to other great 5* dps while Tighnari only got compare to mostly 4* dps making him seem decent .
Not to mention because he is easy to build you would probably having a Tighnari with better stat than those 5* when you decided to get them which make the bias grow stronger
your comment is massively hard to understand @@notsolong
@zviyeri9117 tldr: Tighnari isn't a good unit just because you have him and other dps isn't a bad unit just because you didn't have them
As a triple crowned Nari, yeah he's not one of the best, enjoyable to play but let's be realistic here, he isn't as smooth to play as many other dendro reactions related carries
Cryo is such a great element it hard carried this list. You can just put all cryo characters on it and you would get 5/10 points, which is a passing grade in some places. The only truly great cryo playable character hates cryo so much she doesn't buff it.
no way he thinks dehya is better than tighnari???
she supports good teams and tigh is one of many dps
full EM Albedo should be somewhat higher for the memes
Shatbedo is crazy bro 😎
@wall6587 its mostly against Tulpa or the Eidolons but sure I guess
near 900+ EM crystalized shield against an enemy that only deals elemental damage is gonna have a hard time breaking it
It is actually a functional way of building him. Build Albedo full EM and put him in a freeze team. Shatter scales off of EM so Albedo is gone do big PP dmg. You can put an electro teammate for superconduct for him to do even more dmg.
It feels so long ago when Zajeff called Raiden/ Furina/ Baizhu/Tighnari a comfortable team to play 😢
honestly really surprised with the wanderer take, I always thought that the general consensus was that wanderer and xiao are about the same power level but xiao is easier to play due to cloud retainer making him not limited by bennet burst circle impact
Bro doesn't own wanderer, but then again past few abysses have been rough for our boy, still he is soo fun to play I just don't care.
The release of Xianyun and Furina made Xiao a lot better than Wanderer, to the point where even in single target scenarios Xiao outperforms him lol
Xiao has 2 dedicated supports + furina, scara just has 1
They are both really bad without their babysitters but Xiao has more that are ridiculously tailormade for him.
@@--6560 no, xiao is not better than wanderer
how come lyney doesnt get the “shitty to play” debuff?
Because his damage is just that insane. And unlike Tighnari and Ganyu he gets a lot of mileage from his skill and burst, meaning fewer charged attacks overall. A well built Lyney does so much damage that you might only need to make one or two CAs a floor, and that's a much lower bar to clear than Tighnari or Melt Ganyu have.
Yae Miko is one of my all around unit as a DPS and sub DPS
Lol same, as someone who has played for 3+ years no c6 fischl or stringless she is actually way stronger for me
3 years no c6 fischl💀@@jpuffmaster
She just doesnt fit on any team thanks to fischl existing. All the Fischl+ Yae teams dont have an onfielder so you can just run an onfielder instead of yae.
@@luminous3558i mean Yae is also a touch better than Fischl for Raiden teams, but Raiden carry in 2025...
I used to be a Yoimiya main
And I am deeply saddened that she didn't make it to the top worse overall
She feels ass to play. All she has to do is stand there and attack, but she can't even do that well.... im not gonna lie, though yoimiya double hydro is very cool visually
@@plzloveme8575Same bro. I played the game back in Inazuma for her, got her weapon, genuinely helped me clear abyss back then... but rn she's got like no artifacts and her bow is on Fischl lmao
@@plzloveme8575Yoimiya dps got better because of Citlali but yeah she is very vulnerable without shields
@tomabo4400 her 4 piece shim is my best set because I dedicated my efforts to her.
Now, that set stays as a 2ps 2ps for other characters because it's so good but wasted on her....
Mona should be higher, like I get it, her kit has many flaws but sheer amount of buffs she can provide (5 seconds of 60% all dmg bonus + TTDS + Tenacity) imo, makes her more valuable than Shenhe or Albedou
Have u ever play non c6 faruzan?, now imagine her but solo anemo without favonius good luck getting her burst back
I know, I have 250% ER Mona, and it's barely enough, but even if you burst every second rotation, I still think she is more valuable then Shenhe or Albedou. Also, I forgot mention but Hydro is simple a good element and even her awful off-field Hydro ap is enough to vape most of Arle's or Mavuika's dmg, wich is another thing, that increases her value
@@tasha2749 aintnoway you compared mona to faruzan, sure she has some energy issues but she ascends with ER and using her skill isn't clunky like faruzan skill pre C6
I haven't used her in a bit but the last time I used was with instructor and had no ER issues
@@RieMUisthegoaT i call it bullshit, make a vidio on current f12-1-1 using ttds mona instructor on mavuika team and show me she can cast her q off cd, she generate 3-4 particle that you catch off field because you do q e to maximize hydro uptime, i genuinely cant get her burst back on ttds with 2 emblem + rainbow max er on 260%ish er
@@Parmedziano_Redziano using her q every other rotation, what a joke
Surely shenhe shread + cryo dmg + noble's and icy quil stack is worse than character who can only give 68% atk 🤣
Kaveh could be also better if the bloom seeds he detonates scaled of his em meaning you could go full dmg for your supports. would still be ass probably but at least there would be a cohesion to his kit
Has anyone else been having weird static issues in Zajef's recent videos? There's sometimes a quick static noise that plays like at around 10:03 in the video
Yep, almost punctured my ears that.
I think Yae is pretty good. Yes, she's not really "meta", and she kind of depends on Nahida, and she's mostly an aggravate DPS. However, my impression is that especially considering her "generation" she tends to overperform.
It is true that she doesn't have enough downtime to allow for an actual dual-on-field-DPS setup other than Tighnary, however, it doesn't mean the off-field is useless. You can use some of her downtime to battery supports, or keep switching to another character such that two characters receive an on-field buff. Most notably, you can keep switching-in Nahida and Yae to get more aggravates with their N1 and to share the on-field Nahida EM buff. She also does well in scenarios with various enemies, because her random targeting allows her to apply electro pretty fast (i.e. she bypasses the 3-hit rule targeting enemies at random).
On the other hand, in non-dendro teams, she's probably not good enough anymore. If you're not using her to trigger reactions, her multipliers show her age.
She's definitely not a high-value pull nowadays, but for people that already have her, she's doing fine.
HOW THE F TIGHNARI IS IN THERE BUT DEHYA NOT? L TAKE. Im not even tighnari main but i know he has more use than dehya. Legit that gurl ain't doing anything. Bias take.
Kinich team use her
@@notsolongkinich can use literally all pyro characters even hutao in boss content one instance of pyro is all he needs , and even if we talking about actually useful characters , we have Toma , pyro mc , mavuika , Bennett and tankfei . I personally used tighnary all this time from his first banner until the latest abyss and he always got his half in a good time maybe I am biased I am tighnary main after all but . even tho I have dehya I never have encountered situation when I was thinking about using dehya over any other pyro character , its not even funny , there literally only two teams where dehya can be a considerable option, cocogoat teams and mualani teams and that's all.
Dehya has usage now, tighnari is very very bad
I was going to say that at last chongyun didn't get dragged bc it was only 5 stars...
As a Yoimiya and a pre-dendro Keqing main when we think about the list at 15:38 Yoimiya definitely is and must be in here. She has flaws in her kit and her vape teams does not feel great because you can't invest vertically unlike Hu tao's teams, but not anything you can't work around(AOE situations). Also personally I hate her vape teams. Chevreuse was a god tier upgrade because of Yoimiya's synergy with Fischl.
Also I recommend you guys to watch these channels for these units if you are interested :
Xendell - for Yoimiya ;
F2PKeqing - for Keqing content.
Their content is really good.
(Also putting Shenhe over Yoimiya and putting Sigewinne over Eula is crazy!)
And Kaveh should be in this list before or after Aloy.
"mono hydro with sigewinne vs. arle mavuika melt with albedo" aka
fairly stoppable force vs. very movable object
mitzuki coming in for the #1 worst standard beating out qiqi #yesgod
She isn't the worst though :/
@ debatable with cons🌚
She's Definitely one of the worst 5 Stars but being able to use vv and ttds instantly makes her better than qiqi lol
Like you can simply swap into her use N1 and go back to your carry to activate vv and ttds
Still worse than Tighnari imo
WHAT?! @ZajefDaily you ended the video too early and we didnt get to see him place Yunjin and Mika!
keep in mind that with the right teams, you can still clear content with these characters. just expect them to perform much poorly compared to others in the same role. I still play eula and ning sometimes because of how much they carried me in the first 1 or 2 years of playing genshin. newer units have better clear times, sure, but newer units have also helped keep these characters relevant and useful in todays genshin
i build qiqi to play her as a fridge driver in hyperbloom with raiden furina and nahida 🤒
7:22 i also agree as i tried both in threatre as trail characters and while xaio was able to hold is own on the early chambers, wanderer did acutal less dps than my taser build surcose in a non taser RNG threatre team. Xiao if you have his full team is an acutal insane unit while wanderer with his BiS teams just becomes average if not only slightly above that. He does benefit alot from constellations but as a mainly c0 player that thrives on horizontal investment i see no reason to pull wanderer outside of exploration who i already have chasca for anyways
Xiao best team has 3 5 stars though.
Wanderer no shield in theater made me say bad words, alot of it
If I had to pick a mid hypercarry I would pick him too. Not just imaginaruim or abyss there's so many events here and there where I think it would have been nice if I had xiao
Speak your truth, brother! Scara is my favorite character in the game, but I genuinely hate his kit and think he's absolute ass to use. I also had horrible experiences with him in the theatre. Worse than charged shot DPS like Ganyu and Lyney for sure. Meanwhile, Xiao in FFXX is arguably a top 3 DPS in all of Genshin and he feels satisfying to play, especially in multi-wave and AOE.
Xiao's FFXX team is absurd. No energy issues, no circle impact, you can even dodge most attacks because of plunge. Not to mention damage is incredibly good and massive aoe. Wanderer really can't compete. I have both of them at C1 and triple crowned with their dedicated sets.
Hearing Ganyu being described as ‘not that bad in terms of damage’ is crazy.. Her & Hutao used to be THE dps units 💀💀 how the mighty have fallen..
This list instantly tells me what characters you haven’t actually played. It also shows your bias towards familiar chars. I bet you tested Dehya a lot cuz she has been very controversial. So you think oh I’ve played Dehya a lot she’s not that bad. But then you just think tighnari and wanderer are at the bottom. Meh
mona is so underrated
My eyes was glued to Childe and I realy expected a big rumble about how international is bad now. Welp, not yet
I was going to have a heart attack if Childe stayed in top 15
I will say this: Yun jin does give a lot of buffs for a carry. Like you have the attack speed buff from your constellation, the ~2000 flat atk and archaic petra. But in the Video you didn't even talk about her and Mika.
zajef said in some earlier video that mika is actually crazy good phys support and the main problem with him is that nobody needs his buffs (because all phys carries now are claymore users and atk speed buffs are useless to them)
probably zajef didn't even put them in the bottom 10 since video suddenly ended there
Yunjin is just deceptively terrible. All the things she gives come at the cost of funneling her burst and eventually you just ask yourself why not run any other buffer that has less issues and provides more effective buffs.
We even have units that make use of everything she does and she still isnt BiS.
I like yunjin, Shes way too underrated!! She's a four star that buffs like crazy. She's a like faruzan for normal/ charged attack characters if you invest in her.
It's a def pole arm you can craft that's works really good with her.
The biggest disadvantage of Yunjin is that she's just homeless. She doesn't have a team that she's actually BiS in, even for normal attackers. Yoimiya prefers double hydro, Ayato doesn't exist, Arlecchino gains more from Bennett or even Xingqiu in that slot.
@@luminous3558 Yun jin is really strong with Xilonen and Clorinde. Clorinde scale at 80% from normal attacks, even her E so Yu jin buff work on it, and Xilonen's presence allow her to use a 2pc scroll for 12 flat energy back every rotation + 5 geo particles. In that team she don't have any energy problems anymore
Tighnari is way better than he's giving credit for wtf
People who are confused with Dehyas placement is that, other than some meme-able C4 Mona , C2/C4 Jean ; are you really looking forward to getting more cons on standard 5*? Like, Tighnari is fine at C0, Jean was alright with Furinas' release, but you can play Xilonen now and slot Kazuha back in... Diluc cons for Diluc lovers who play with Xianyun?... Mona cons, like Morgana players are even rarer than Eula mains at this point...
If we get a couple more 5* standard selectors in the future, then C6ing a standard 5* isn't that far fetched of a dream (until they decide to drop a Geo char in there).
jail for the outro
Zajef, I really think you should play Alhaitam and tighnari in similar teams, you'll find out Tighnaris is pretty close to him and if you do some showcase team, like Nahida Furina Kuki you'll see some great clear times
Never cook again lil bro 💀
Big T, Batman and Hat guy placement was not it
Bro has clearly never played wanderer/faru/furina/benny and done 60k per hit
also tighnari being there over klee is just straight up wrong
Can we please talk about the outro?
9:17 This mate defeated the abyss with Dehya, without breaking a sweat
mr zajef, may i kindly ask what my GOAT tighnari is doing in worst 10 characters list?
12:10 It was ME that was sending the sim of Albedo in the 80k DPS Mavuika team! He's one of the better options if you're in Bennett-less with Xilonen and Citlali
As one of the maybe 3 Dehya mains, I’m genuinely shocked and content with not seeing her on this list :D
Lol I don't know in what world Ganyu feels that much worse to play than Lyney, she basically doesn't have a burst in melt but it's really the same team with worse energy gen. I've been charge shotting since she came out tho.
Lyney at least has nice I frames with his burst and has frontload unlike Ganyu. He can kill waves fast enough basically. Ganyu just feels awful in every way.
(Lyney still feels ass)
@@justawalter9752I just completely disagree. Lyney is the worst feeling character to play IMO and I vastly prefer Ganyu. As to "worth", historically Ganyu spend a long time being extremely powerful and sought after vs the rest of the games characters. She was a core to extremely meta teams with Morgana. She then was over taken as a damage dealer , but she still is able to provide massive amounts of AoE cryo with a burst that you can basically have 100% uptime on. Meanwhile characters like Lyney were a drop in the bucket of pyro DPS characters even on release and can't provide anything worthwhile to a team outside that role.
@@JustSomeGuy009 So you’re basically saying mid dps + hyperbloom bot > slightly above or below mid dps for the average player.
@@JustSomeGuy009 the difference between them is 64k Dps at kqms from Ganyu in her best team (Mavuika, Bennett, Xilonen) vs 78k dps with Lyney.
My brotha that is a massive difference, while they are both ass to play Lyney at least has some pay off while having frontload and Iframes. Ganyu is outdated and the fact you mention Morgana kinda shows how you live in the past cuz that team is unable to clear right now
i like them both :) charge shots ftw (note i play them both with zhongli LOL)
only pressed like cuz of 19:18 onwards tbh
7:04
She aged like wine, but the wine was shit to begin with
as 1 of 5 yoimiya mains, we know she's weak but i still got her c6r5 nonetheless
14:25 Bro, that chat comment made no sense. Mika's C6 buff in single-target scenarios is basically Bennett's buff for Phys main dps, without using the ATK SPD or the additional 30% Phys Damage in situations with more enemies.
So, is Lisa's DEF shred + TTDS close to Bennett's buff too? Why does no one use Lisa then?
I remember Lisa+TTDS was used to compare her with Kujou Sara pre C6, but Sara isn’t a teamwide healer like Mika, and her buff's uptime is terrible, which seemed to make the comparison somewhat reasonable.
i was so scared that itto would catch strays but thank god he didn't. navia is always better though, but I love itto
its always so much fun to see people do mental gymnastics to defend their shit favorite units lmao
my favorite is Mona, she is shit but i dont defend
she is a shit tier unit
great ass tho
Mona having her stupid dash just makes her cringe.
Or people just don't agree...
It's just his opinion after all.
He loves Deyha, I wouldn't use her EVER.
@@luminous3558 Buddy, you're not supposed to dash when you play mona lol
I use her in Chasca teams in abyss when my Furina is on the other half with Neuvillette. Recently I played Chasca, Mona, Bennett, Ororon team and it felt quite nice
@@luminous3558 i honestly prefer that type of dash over the normal one we have
Wanderer fans cried really hard
Notice how Yoimiya's not on the bottom 10. Oh Queenmiya don't end Flopvuika that easily 😭
We have quite a few other, better sources of EM that come with superior characters. As an Albedo haver who got him because he's my favorite character in the story, he is worse than yoimiya at the very least
hi @Zajef Daily , can we have some sort of transition (for example the old outro) before the "I take a look" song begins so that if we aren't wearing headphones we can be prepared LMAO
It's insane how a unit that buffing your entire team's damage by 25% and doing ok-ish 8-9k off-field dps is even considering top 10 bottom
Yeah, Lisa is that unit
All we need to save physical is an off field physical dps,
Imagine if rain swords were real swords
This is a hill I will die on.
Wanderer was never meant to be Xiao powercreep. He was meant to be Yoimiya powercreep. And he still is. That’s why he’s ass 🗣️🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
i appreciate the eulamber content in this video, thank you mr zaj
Zaj HEAVILY overweights ease of use. Especially since it is based on player preference vs actual character value/strength
The only time I use Diluc is when I feel like playing Xianyun with him doing vape dragonstrikes against mobs that staggers so much like the damn vishaps cuz I like making my life a struggle smh.
Ok but I wanna know where the last two characters were placed
I still play ayato but lowkey he's like a hydro deyha these days. Clunky short on field mash m1, with a middling off field app from their other ability. At least dehya has some utiity
Tighnari underrated
where’s alhaitham?
still clearing 12-1
@@alth18last seen on floor 8 💔
Bro loves his tier lists.
I’ve actually cleared abyss with a mona+yelan+hu tao team while XQ was busy doing hyperbloom on the other side. It worked… pretty well actually. Yelan and mona battery each other and mona holds ttds.
As a eula main since release, all I can say is she definitely doesn’t feel nearly as good as she used to be. I still love her none the less.
damn I missed Zajeff talking about something when you don't have to look at the screen since i can't watch streams on regular anymore
How on earth did Hydro Traveler escape this list
13:15 lil bro didnt watch the video 😭
traveler is not a 5-star it's a 4-star character, same atk% ascension stat amount as 4-stars that also ascend with atk% 🔥
@@Adrian-mk9vr Ah I missed that part, saw that 5-star lists with and without 4-stars were made so I just assumed Traveler would be considered at some point
People are really sleeping on ningguang, at c6, she is easily the second best 4 star dps only beaten by gaming and the new navia set and xilonen buffed her alot, i am shocked she made it to the bottom 10 list
I see people struggle in abyss with Mavuika and other people cleared easily with yoimiya just bc the love (aka invesment level) that you give to your characters matters 🤗🤗
The wanderer takes are insane tho, he is mid, but a contender for bottom ten is wild, i don't even know how jean escaped the list, being a furina healer doesnt make the character good, its just like saying kachina is good because of the cinder city artifact