Nice review and great extra info. I always like to point out on our channel that everyone should have fun and play what you can within your space and means. If you have a game room big enough for a CRT, great. If not, products like these are so convenient. I'm glad we are getting more and more quality choices in the Retro gaming scene, and reviewers like you are letting us know which ones are worth it. Thanks
I won't be buying anything from "My Friends" from Retrobit again after my experience with them. Lack of supportive customer service and understanding is an understatement. Obviously if you have a TH-cam channel they prob treat you great. As someone who went out of there way to preorder one and get it shipped to Australia (at great expense) it was devastating to find the item destroyed in the mail. When I contacted Retrobit (obviously not their responsibility but you would hope for some compassion) and explained the situation and asked it there was anyway possible to purchase a new Empty Box which I would pay for and shipping to Australia I was told they couldn't unfortunately because they don't ship to Australia (ok that's understandable). Then I asked if they could send an empty flat box to my US forwarding address (I'll cover all costs). The delayed response then was that they don't have any flat boxes to send. I then asked if I could purchase a non-flat box to the US address. No response. Overall I understand it's not totally their responsibility but in the time I was being stuffed around by their lack of assistance I prob could have claimed through amazon. Just a level of compassion goes a long way when you have been a loyal customer. I will not be supporting anything of their's in the future. The way they went about communicating these messages was also very pathetic. They reject every option yet then state "if there is anything we can do whatsoever to assist". Well I know if I had a youtube following I would be treated like royalty.
Really good point and if I knew this, I would have just waited. I actually but the difference for me even being in the States, I never received mine. So, this was sometime 2016 or so. I was looking into getting one because I wanted to play my childhood games again and revisit them. I looked online everywhere and could not find one at all or if I did, scalpers were selling them for double the price. (Bastards!!!) So I went directly to Retro Bit's website. They were indeed accepting pre orders. Though I saw that there was a pre order but no shipping date, i was desperate because I had done all of my research and this one was the best at the time. So put in my pre order. Mind you this was before the HD version. So weeks went by and I would keep checking the website on my pre order but no ship date had been posted. So I began to call them directly to find out why there was no ship date yet. I told them doesn't it make sense that pre orders should have a cut off date and ship date so that people are not left waiting too long. The guy just shrugged it and stated that they were waiting to get enough pre orders to be able to get them made and shipped out but he had no idea when that would be. I was getting frustrated because for example if I pre order a console or game, I know there is a cut off date and when they will begin shipping them out. Anyway this went on for a month and I finally decided to try and get a refund. They conveniently stated that it was not possible since they already had invested the money on my console. I was furious by this moment and called Paypal. They stated that there was nothing holding me back from getting a refund and they sent out an email to them requesting the refund to be processed. Since I had not received anything yet for over a month, I was entitled to a refund. In all, I did receive my refund which Paypal helped me out with that. In the end I finally found them on Ebay brand new for less than the price Retrobit was offering them for and I won!!!!
They’re a pretty big company. It’s honestly pretty amazing that you even got a non-canned response. Even running a small business (Rose Colored Gaming), it’s still tricky to accommodate something like this. We don’t keep tons of extra boxes and such lying around. That said, when this sort of issue arises, we do fix the problem. We’re still small enough that ALL design, manufacture, assembly, packing & shipping are all done in one facility, so cranking out an extra few boxes here and there isn’t a logistical nightmare.
The thing with that is it will just work. The Retron 5 is known for having the power go out on them (it happened to mine and I did nothing to it) making them a don't buy.
This was really good. I'm always looking for something that does as close to everything and does what it can right. That's sometimes hard to find and be personally pleased with at the same time.
Now you've done it. I'm convinced. Just finished ordering mine 5 minutes ago. I've been goin retro crazy since i went n bought myself an Everdrive N8. My 8bitdo NES30 pro wireless recievers are in the mail already. I'll let ya know how it goes once I slap em all together.
Rick Bodey Craaaap. For sure though man. I'll let ya know. Which have you tested out?...in case I do gotta get something else. I just can't totally trust putting my good carts in anything other than the real nes.
I have tested MultiCarts, Everdrive MD, SD2SNES, Super UFO 8. The NES Everdrive N8 is only one I can't get to work. I have heard that the 188 in 1 carts works, hence I have two coming. The Powerpak and N8 I guess are having issues or mine is. Let me know what you find as well.
Rick Bodey just got everything all plugged up. Nope, the everdrive doesn't work. Ah well. Maybe they'll figure out an update for the everdrive someday. Bummer.
I was able to get a MultiCart off AliExpress for $20 and works just fine. So have about 200 NES games. Not as good as the everdrive but still pretty great.
I was also having doubts about it referring to Australia, but my guess would have been America. I think I read somewhere that some countries in South America used PAL, with some non-standard modifications, that in turn would justify a separate region.
So when your name is on the Castlemania website, does that mean you have to "be ok" with the graphical glitches? Do they require you to play the system with the sound off so you can't tell how bad it is?
CastleMania Games Yeah he was super critical when the game didn't play past the first few seconds yet he was "still hopeful". But hey, go to the website and buy it anyway with my coupon code!
he's not pointing out the lack of 4:3 mode. I've had to figure that out from all the reviews that don't talk about it but show all the stretched videos. Everyone pimping this thing has conveniently left out one of the most important parts.
TV's Ben You know, if you're making money off this, that's fine. Who am I to tell people what they should buy. However, it's super unethical to not disclose this. Amazon affiliate links are disclosed. The instant someone opens their mouth about "coupon code" you should instantly discredit the review unless they're upfront about it.
Probably the manufacturer expects TV's to be able to switch between aspect ratios. At least when the analog video is used TV's commonly can switch the aspect ratio of it. I have the non-HDMI model of the console, and changing the aspect ratio every time when starting to use the console takes a couple button presses and five seconds. But switching between aspect ratios for video that is brought in through HDMI might not be so commonly supported on TV's, or might be supported only with certain video resolutions like on my TV.
I do wonder how all the games sound? I assume they're spot on but really would've liked to hear Dracula's Curse! still a really neat system I might have to look for one!
the original super retro trio played master system games through a mega drive everdrive or mega drive 2 converter hopefully this one will too. Always a good feature to have
I like this console a lot, but some of the pins in the NES part came out because it's extremely tight, so now I have to install a new 72 pin connector.
I was waiting for an review for this clone console and of course to see it can play Castlevainia 3. Watching this video was satisfying and helpful. Thank you!
I have and love the Retron 5 but my big thing was always not being able to play repros and multicarts. I see that issue does not exist with this console. I may have to look into one for my spare room. Thanks for the info as always.
@2:55 i got no issue you doing that cause to us viewers were seeing and experiencing everything your seeing. Only draw back is there's no sound but im sure you're doing that cause you dont wanna have any strikes for copyright sounds so totally understandable awesome video by the way :) i subscribed :)
Hey john i noticed that the game fire emblem for the famicom was in English . Are all fire emblem on the famicom and also super famicom in English ? Great video btw .
Good to see there's great game compatibility, was hoping for a av vs hdmi comparison. I'm sure somebody will do that though. The reason why I'm interested in that, is because a lot of these clone systems play, look, and sound just fine but on HDMI they always have weird colors or funny sounding sound. Haven't seen a clone yet properly get the Mario nes games to sound right for example.
Would be nice to see both video signals. And also how is the lag in hdmi mode? In my opinion lag is super important in digital video consoles but it seems like most reviews don’t even mention it. I mean one of the most important things to which if a hdmi console has too much lag it is automatically a deal breaker for me, as playing some precise platformers like mega man would be a completely different experience.
beefcurtainz69 Doesn't the HDMI lag depend on the screen? I've understood that many recent TV's by default do some processing to the picture before showing it, to "enhance" (or more like, worsen) it, and that causes delay, as the processing needs to know what some following frames would look like. And that's why some TV's should have a separate game mode that would just show the picture as it is, and without delay.
Just spent three hours with this unit. Overall a bit let down. The biggest issue is that there is a extremely brief, but noticeable lag in processing. This means when I'm playing Super Mario Bros and I attempt to execute a jump, I can tell Mario's reaction time to my button press is not what it should be. I also noticed this same issue playing Zelda and Mike Tyson's Punch Out. This is a problem for me as my motor function is dialed in with this classics I grew up with, so playing was frustrating. Also, there are necessary complex double jumps in Super Mario Bros that just don't seem possible on this system given the processing lag. My final gripe has to do with one of the best parts of this unit, its ability to use a factory NES controller. When I plugged in my NES controller the connection felt loose and sure enough, wouldn't work. And yes, I made sure I switched the unit over to "NES" on the controller setting switch. I thought possibly this was an issue with my old NES controller, but when I tried attaching it to NES port #2, it fit much tighter. So this is a quality control issue. I get it, it's $80 item from China that promises to deliver big, but for me, it did not. Buyer beware.
The reason Castlevania III and other games like that are good tests is because they have special chips on them that make them unique. Just to add clarity to the "huge high circuit board" or "high circuit board setting" comments. Since this console doesn't need to emulate those chips because they aren't being dumped they work great. You clearly understood 99% of that already.
I wish they had a clone that could simply switch between the clone hardware and emulation with a switch, so that games like Super Ghouls'N'Ghosts would work (level 3 doesn't work on clones).
Would you know why the N8 Everdrive would not work on this, voltage issue? Homebrew NES Carts works and the Everdrive MD and the SD2SNES work no problem, however on the Krikzz forum shows the N8 not working and I also can not get going on my SRT+, works fine on the Standard SRT.
I'm being very late to the party but.. does the Super Gameboy accessory for the super famicon / super nintendo work with this system? To play gameboy games. Thanks and nice review, I liked it :)
I need that Simpsons Street of Rage, lol. And this perfect for me as I was looking to get into these 3 systems as they were systems from early gaming years and I don’t really have the space for multiple systems, but this seems like a good buy.
I got it with a 500 in one multi cart but had some issues TMNT 2 the background are just letters, Double dragon 2 no sound and double dragon 3 gets stuck in the intro, is this just me?
Thanks for your review. I bought one from Amazon last month! So far its worked great, but I'm curious how it works with Sega multicarts. I hope the next version has a 4:3/16:9 switch on the back and the Sega A-B-C switches mapped to Y-X-A instead.
I think you'll find the SNES sound on this still a bit overdriven on the SRT+, though its rarely very apparent. I feel like this flaw is most obvious when using the Super GameBoy. On the other hand, Yoshi's Island was so bad on the RetroN3 it made me not want to play it, but I didn't have that experience with the SRT+.
I would have like an in depth review using the included controllers. The ones that came with my system look more like Super NES controllers, and they are horrible. Games play flawlessly with my original controllers, but there is a serious issue with the included controllers with input lag. Kinda sucks, but overall the system works great when using original controllers.
Thanks so much I got this from Castlemania games, and it's a lot more fun than the Retron 5, as I have the super game boy and it works well, so I can play GB/GBC as well.
I got one as well. Loving it since my Genesis is kind of crapping out and I wanted to do some light collecting of the NES and SNES. By any chance have you played Monster Party for the NES on it? I tried with my copy and it didn't work. I bought it locally and traded with for Friday the 13th which plays great on the SRT+! Awesome video as always!!
what about the super nintendo multitap , as for me its all about super bomberman and the newer titles from the uk as the last one wouldn't play mario allstars
Does this have forced 16x9? Is there any inherent lag in the system? Assuming composite CRT cables work fine. How is the SOUND/colors? How is mode 7 games like mario kart and f-zero? Any flickering on platformers going fast to the right? All of those are kind of deal killers to me if issues.
How is the audio on this thing? Mainly curious about audio with Sega games. I know a lot of these types of systems have weird volume settings for instrument types and sound pretty awful and off key. Otherwise, at least from your camera's point of view, this looks like it works great. Much better than I expected. Thanks for sharing! =)
I personally found the sound on the Sega side very good -I reckon it passes the Sonic The Hedgehog test. The actual mix I'm less certain of. I understand it may be turning the stereo sound into a mono signal (which seems to be the case with many other Genesis clones)
Thanks for the reply. Downmixing to mono isn't a big deal for games like this. I only remember playing on a TV with mono audio anyway back in the day so I won't notice it. lol But being a musician that plays by ear and working with audio/video editing a lot these days, the audio on something like the Flashback or others is enough to make me cringe and just turn it off and walk away. Luckily is wasn't mine or i'd have returned it or taken a hammer to it. lol Luckily, I've still got my old Genesis Model 1 sitting in a box somewhere. Hopefully... lol Either way, as long as the audio is better than those other clones, the fact that this plays right off the cart instead of taking forever to dump the ROM is enough to consider one of these.
Hey Riggs nice review. I happen to own the original super retro trio, and I was wondering if it plays super famicom games, or would I need to purchase the super famicom console? Love your work and collection.
@John Riggs Hey man its cool you finally got a Super Retro Trio. The plus option is nice with the HDMI output. But that controller is wonky. I've had mine for about a year or so, and it was The great alternative. It does play the NES Everdrive. The sound for most games is spot on, but some of the high sound intense games have just a tiny bit of lag. But its in milliseconds. Although, yours working with Castlevania 3 puzzles me. That is because my copy won't play in mine...huh? Maybe my game copy is broken? Anyways, have fun with it. P.s. Still waiting for part 2 of SNES Muramasa repro game board (HiRom) .
John Riggs: RIGG'd you haven’t fully inserted the game, therefore the glitches. I have retro trio (previous model), and I am almost sure the trigger is for Genesis only. Try Streets of Rage, you will be surprised it has different logos for different regions. Almost all SNES games will be accepted, from all regions. Some SNES games check the frequency, so my pal version retro trio doesn‘t accept NTSC snes games which check frequency (like Donkey Kong Country). So yours will not accept those snes games from pal, which check the freqency. All nes and famicom games will be accepted, but on your ntsc version pal games will run with wrong speed.
Tristamson I've noticed the same, also with the previous model Super Retro Trio. The NES and Famicom games that work on it, work with the switch in any position. And Super Nintendo / Super Famicom games that specifically demand NTSC refuse to work on my PAL version, regardless of the switch position. It has been a bit funny to notice that Star Wing / Star Fox doesn't check the frequency, and so it will just start normally on any system, but when the game starts, the parts of the picture that are drawn by the special chip in the cartridge are partly missing if the frequency is wrong. So with this game it would make perfectly sense to notify in the beginning if the game is not _designed_ for the current system, but that doesn't happen. Then there are many games that will refuse to start on a wrong kind of system, with wording like the game pak is not "designed" for this system. But when it's played on a system with actually effective PAL/NTSC switch (like SupaBoy S), all that matters is that the switch is in correct position when powering on. After that the switch can be flipped to the other position. (And the switch on the SupaBoy does affect also during the game, so the it's not that the system would only read the position at the power-on.) So it seems that the wording about the designing is more a doublespeak for "We are more jealous than most other companies about which systems our games are played on".
So, if the region switch applies to all cartridge slots (I seem to recall it was Genesis-only on the original SRT) and power is supplied via micro-USB - does that mean I can just import a US version and play it here in Germany? I know there's an official PAL version, but it's hard to come by at the moment, and I'm not loving the blue/white design. Any ideas?
Victor Redman Not so good idea. The switch on the console in this video only applies to the Mega Drive / Genesis slot. Many of the PAL SNES games would refuse to play on an NTSC system, and all PAL games that would play, most likely would play a bit faster than intended, because the Super Retro Trios seem to be hardwired to output either NTSC or PAL. So playing a light gun game on a CRT TV might not work either because the older TV's usually only supported one type of signal. Besides, it turns out that the PAL version of the Super Retro Trio Plus actually has an extra region switch placed above the second NES controller port. In the PAL version the extra switch is labeled as 'SNES', and the switch that also the NTSC version has is labeled as 'SEGA'. The downside with the PAL version would be that it would play NTSC games a little slower than intended. (Apparently the region switch(es) only affect on how the cartridge will see the region, not the speed the console will run the games.)
Sweet system to play retro games on without racking hours and hours on our retro consoles gathering collection dust put the ware and tare on a cheap clone that works great
That Back to the Future cart with the LED flux capacitor in it is the coolest thing I have seen!
Nice review and great extra info. I always like to point out on our channel that everyone should have fun and play what you can within your space and means. If you have a game room big enough for a CRT, great. If not, products like these are so convenient. I'm glad we are getting more and more quality choices in the Retro gaming scene, and reviewers like you are letting us know which ones are worth it. Thanks
Goddamn right that everyone needs more Sega in their life
Brandonsaurus64 indeed, seems the world's calamities as of late coincided with Sega exiting the hardware business. Coincidence? I think not!
downphoenix i think you may be on to something...
I won't be buying anything from "My Friends" from Retrobit again after my experience with them. Lack of supportive customer service and understanding is an understatement. Obviously if you have a TH-cam channel they prob treat you great. As someone who went out of there way to preorder one and get it shipped to Australia (at great expense) it was devastating to find the item destroyed in the mail. When I contacted Retrobit (obviously not their responsibility but you would hope for some compassion) and explained the situation and asked it there was anyway possible to purchase a new Empty Box which I would pay for and shipping to Australia I was told they couldn't unfortunately because they don't ship to Australia (ok that's understandable). Then I asked if they could send an empty flat box to my US forwarding address (I'll cover all costs). The delayed response then was that they don't have any flat boxes to send. I then asked if I could purchase a non-flat box to the US address. No response. Overall I understand it's not totally their responsibility but in the time I was being stuffed around by their lack of assistance I prob could have claimed through amazon. Just a level of compassion goes a long way when you have been a loyal customer. I will not be supporting anything of their's in the future. The way they went about communicating these messages was also very pathetic. They reject every option yet then state "if there is anything we can do whatsoever to assist". Well I know if I had a youtube following I would be treated like royalty.
CastleMania Games Hi CastleaMania Games. I sent you an email via your website. Thanks for taking the time to read my exp :)
Really good point and if I knew this, I would have just waited. I actually but the difference for me even being in the States, I never received mine. So, this was sometime 2016 or so. I was looking into getting one because I wanted to play my childhood games again and revisit them. I looked online everywhere and could not find one at all or if I did, scalpers were selling them for double the price. (Bastards!!!) So I went directly to Retro Bit's website. They were indeed accepting pre orders. Though I saw that there was a pre order but no shipping date, i was desperate because I had done all of my research and this one was the best at the time. So put in my pre order. Mind you this was before the HD version. So weeks went by and I would keep checking the website on my pre order but no ship date had been posted. So I began to call them directly to find out why there was no ship date yet. I told them doesn't it make sense that pre orders should have a cut off date and ship date so that people are not left waiting too long. The guy just shrugged it and stated that they were waiting to get enough pre orders to be able to get them made and shipped out but he had no idea when that would be. I was getting frustrated because for example if I pre order a console or game, I know there is a cut off date and when they will begin shipping them out. Anyway this went on for a month and I finally decided to try and get a refund. They conveniently stated that it was not possible since they already had invested the money on my console. I was furious by this moment and called Paypal. They stated that there was nothing holding me back from getting a refund and they sent out an email to them requesting the refund to be processed. Since I had not received anything yet for over a month, I was entitled to a refund. In all, I did receive my refund which Paypal helped me out with that. In the end I finally found them on Ebay brand new for less than the price Retrobit was offering them for and I won!!!!
They’re a pretty big company. It’s honestly pretty amazing that you even got a non-canned response.
Even running a small business (Rose Colored Gaming), it’s still tricky to accommodate something like this. We don’t keep tons of extra boxes and such lying around. That said, when this sort of issue arises, we do fix the problem. We’re still small enough that ALL design, manufacture, assembly, packing & shipping are all done in one facility, so cranking out an extra few boxes here and there isn’t a logistical nightmare.
I LOVE my RetroN5 but this would be great for the homebrew games out there. More useful then I first thought when I heard about this system.
Ordered one of these a few days ago. Can't wait to give her a whirl!! :)
Mine arrived 2 days ago John. So much easier to have instead of swapping out systems
does it play gauntlet for nes??that game has problem on clones.
Omg I remember Stunt Race FX!!! Such a good classic game!!!
thank you so much for doing this review. I have been waiting for this I definitely want to go one!
The thing with that is it will just work. The Retron 5 is known for having the power go out on them (it happened to mine and I did nothing to it) making them a don't buy.
Great review, thanks for all the testing.
This was really good. I'm always looking for something that does as close to everything and does what it can right. That's sometimes hard to find and be personally pleased with at the same time.
John, have you tried the Sega Master System adapter for Genesis? Then you could play SMS games on it as well.
yo yo Riggs thanks for the review.
Now you've done it. I'm convinced. Just finished ordering mine 5 minutes ago. I've been goin retro crazy since i went n bought myself an Everdrive N8. My 8bitdo NES30 pro wireless recievers are in the mail already. I'll let ya know how it goes once I slap em all together.
Let me know if you get the N8 working. The N8 is the only Everdrive I havn't been able to get to work.
Rick Bodey
Craaaap. For sure though man. I'll let ya know. Which have you tested out?...in case I do gotta get something else. I just can't totally trust putting my good carts in anything other than the real nes.
I have tested MultiCarts, Everdrive MD, SD2SNES, Super UFO 8. The NES Everdrive N8 is only one I can't get to work. I have heard that the 188 in 1 carts works, hence I have two coming. The Powerpak and N8 I guess are having issues or mine is. Let me know what you find as well.
Rick Bodey just got everything all plugged up. Nope, the everdrive doesn't work. Ah well. Maybe they'll figure out an update for the everdrive someday. Bummer.
I was able to get a MultiCart off AliExpress for $20 and works just fine. So have about 200 NES games. Not as good as the everdrive but still pretty great.
As far as I know PAL Australia/Europe are exactly the same. Are you sure PA doesn't stand for PAL Asia? That was a thing, at least for the Mega Drive.
NotSoRetro sounds right to me
I was also having doubts about it referring to Australia, but my guess would have been America. I think I read somewhere that some countries in South America used PAL, with some non-standard modifications, that in turn would justify a separate region.
PA=PAL Asia, the region most people ignore.
How is the sound? I have a RetroDuo from Retro-Bit and the NES sound reproduction is horrid.
Seems like the kind of thing that could have been answered in a video review, eh? ;)
Audio is identical to the RES+ on the NES side, a little over-driven on the SNES side but pretty spot-on with Genesis games in my testing.
So when your name is on the Castlemania website, does that mean you have to "be ok" with the graphical glitches? Do they require you to play the system with the sound off so you can't tell how bad it is?
Castlemania =/= Castlevania.
I do agree on the sound part though. He should have made a comparison between the this and original hardware.
CastleMania Games Yeah he was super critical when the game didn't play past the first few seconds yet he was "still hopeful". But hey, go to the website and buy it anyway with my coupon code!
he's not pointing out the lack of 4:3 mode. I've had to figure that out from all the reviews that don't talk about it but show all the stretched videos. Everyone pimping this thing has conveniently left out one of the most important parts.
TV's Ben You know, if you're making money off this, that's fine. Who am I to tell people what they should buy. However, it's super unethical to not disclose this. Amazon affiliate links are disclosed. The instant someone opens their mouth about "coupon code" you should instantly discredit the review unless they're upfront about it.
Probably the manufacturer expects TV's to be able to switch between aspect ratios. At least when the analog video is used TV's commonly can switch the aspect ratio of it. I have the non-HDMI model of the console, and changing the aspect ratio every time when starting to use the console takes a couple button presses and five seconds. But switching between aspect ratios for video that is brought in through HDMI might not be so commonly supported on TV's, or might be supported only with certain video resolutions like on my TV.
I do wonder how all the games sound? I assume they're spot on but really would've liked to hear Dracula's Curse! still a really neat system I might have to look for one!
Great review. I actually bought this recently, but I wanted a 2nd opinion on it.
the original super retro trio played master system games through a mega drive everdrive or mega drive 2 converter hopefully this one will too. Always a good feature to have
I own one of these. It plays my genesis, super Nintendo, and Nintendo multicarts fine without problems.
Looks much better than the retron 5. And I loved the controller. Let's hope we get this little guy here in Brazil.
Thanks for doing this, I’m starting to run out of space because of my consoles and need an alternative.
I like that all WWF games and WCW game all in one cartridge
I like this console a lot, but some of the pins in the NES part came out because it's extremely tight, so now I have to install a new 72 pin connector.
I was waiting for an review for this clone console and of course to see it can play Castlevainia 3. Watching this video was satisfying and helpful. Thank you!
Yes! A retro system that actually plays Castlevania 3. Thank you Mr. Riggs.
Do you know if the Hyperkin Master System / Game Gear Adapter works with this?
Joseph Descheemaeker no those are just pass throughs for emulation software
Hey Riggs, Do you have any SA-1 games you can test out? Also what about an English Star Ocean made out of the uncompressed ROM?
I don't! Not anymore anyways. I wish I did.
Is that a princess tomato in the salad kingdom picture ? Awesome
I have and love the Retron 5 but my big thing was always not being able to play repros and multicarts. I see that issue does not exist with this console. I may have to look into one for my spare room. Thanks for the info as always.
I have the regular retro trio and with a crt tv it looks, sounds, and plays amazing. Just like original hardware.
Thorough AF. Thanks for knowing what the people want.
John where did u get that streets of rage Simpson's ed game at looks awesome
@2:55 i got no issue you doing that cause to us viewers were seeing and experiencing everything your seeing. Only draw back is there's no sound but im sure you're doing that cause you dont wanna have any strikes for copyright sounds so totally understandable awesome video by the way :) i subscribed :)
I have been looking into this thing. I have had a good track record with retro bit products :)
Hey John, Any idea whether this would play US/Japanese carts on a European CRT?
Hey john i noticed that the game fire emblem for the famicom was in English . Are all fire emblem on the famicom and also super famicom in English ?
Great video btw .
I'm not sure. I was handed it to 'fix' for open cart surgery but it just worked.
oke then i just have to buy one and try thank you anyways
does it do translation for games not available to be in english
I didn't know Castlevania 3 was so taxing! Good to know if I ever need to test systems in the future I suppose.
John, wheres a good place to buy NES, SNES, repro's from? Also, where did you get that cool SNES back to the future repro from??
cool, I would of paid another 10 bucks though if it had a port to do GB, GBC & GBA
Get a SuperGameboy cart. It can run it
Digging the white and red. Love hmi
Good to see there's great game compatibility, was hoping for a av vs hdmi comparison. I'm sure somebody will do that though. The reason why I'm interested in that, is because a lot of these clone systems play, look, and sound just fine but on HDMI they always have weird colors or funny sounding sound. Haven't seen a clone yet properly get the Mario nes games to sound right for example.
hello, do you know if cartridges of the original japanese famicon |(not super famicon) works in this console? thank you very much
The sound on those system on a chip solutions often is atrocious. Was quite curious if it would work with Everdrives and nice to see that it does.
Would be nice to see both video signals. And also how is the lag in hdmi mode? In my opinion lag is super important in digital video consoles but it seems like most reviews don’t even mention it. I mean one of the most important things to which if a hdmi console has too much lag it is automatically a deal breaker for me, as playing some precise platformers like mega man would be a completely different experience.
I agree. This system is trash if it has lag. Do tell us? Please...
beefcurtainz69 Doesn't the HDMI lag depend on the screen? I've understood that many recent TV's by default do some processing to the picture before showing it, to "enhance" (or more like, worsen) it, and that causes delay, as the processing needs to know what some following frames would look like. And that's why some TV's should have a separate game mode that would just show the picture as it is, and without delay.
Pauli Vaara yes your tv will also add a lil more processing lag to the latency that is already on the console.
Pauli Vaara look up the 240p test suite. That tool has a nice way to calculate lag.
Great video, I’m currently looking for a system just like this, great timing!
Have you tried Duck Hunt and light guns? If the answer is "I don't have a CRT", do you know anyone who does have a CRT and has tried them?
Just spent three hours with this unit. Overall a bit let down. The biggest issue is that there is a extremely brief, but noticeable lag in processing. This means when I'm playing Super Mario Bros and I attempt to execute a jump, I can tell Mario's reaction time to my button press is not what it should be. I also noticed this same issue playing Zelda and Mike Tyson's Punch Out. This is a problem for me as my motor function is dialed in with this classics I grew up with, so playing was frustrating. Also, there are necessary complex double jumps in Super Mario Bros that just don't seem possible on this system given the processing lag.
My final gripe has to do with one of the best parts of this unit, its ability to use a factory NES controller. When I plugged in my NES controller the connection felt loose and sure enough, wouldn't work. And yes, I made sure I switched the unit over to "NES" on the controller setting switch. I thought possibly this was an issue with my old NES controller, but when I tried attaching it to NES port #2, it fit much tighter. So this is a quality control issue. I get it, it's $80 item from China that promises to deliver big, but for me, it did not. Buyer beware.
does gauntlet nes work??most clones wont play it correctly.
The reason Castlevania III and other games like that are good tests is because they have special chips on them that make them unique. Just to add clarity to the "huge high circuit board" or "high circuit board setting" comments. Since this console doesn't need to emulate those chips because they aren't being dumped they work great. You clearly understood 99% of that already.
I wish they had a clone that could simply switch between the clone hardware and emulation with a switch, so that games like Super Ghouls'N'Ghosts would work (level 3 doesn't work on clones).
Would you know why the N8 Everdrive would not work on this, voltage issue? Homebrew NES Carts works and the Everdrive MD and the SD2SNES work no problem, however on the Krikzz forum shows the N8 not working and I also can not get going on my SRT+, works fine on the Standard SRT.
I'm being very late to the party but.. does the Super Gameboy accessory for the super famicon / super nintendo work with this system? To play gameboy games. Thanks and nice review, I liked it :)
How is the sound quality on it? Outside of the sound being a potential issue it looks like a great little system
I need that Simpsons Street of Rage, lol. And this perfect for me as I was looking to get into these 3 systems as they were systems from early gaming years and I don’t really have the space for multiple systems, but this seems like a good buy.
I got it with a 500 in one multi cart but had some issues TMNT 2 the background are just letters, Double dragon 2 no sound and double dragon 3 gets stuck in the intro, is this just me?
"I love showing new technology"
- guy who talks about video games from the 80s and 90s
Very tempting, but I would like to know if the action replay or game genie works on this. It does seem like odds are yes.
another great video and looks great little system
Thanks for your review. I bought one from Amazon last month! So far its worked great, but I'm curious how it works with Sega multicarts. I hope the next version has a 4:3/16:9 switch on the back and the Sega A-B-C switches mapped to Y-X-A instead.
Does the Super Game Boy work with this?
Cheers.
A lot of us don’t have the luxury of a “game room”. My game room is my living room.
Yes.
Does this come with composite video cables?
I've had both the retron 3 and the original super retro trio and the sound on the snes was horrible - very distorted and loud.
I think you'll find the SNES sound on this still a bit overdriven on the SRT+, though its rarely very apparent. I feel like this flaw is most obvious when using the Super GameBoy. On the other hand, Yoshi's Island was so bad on the RetroN3 it made me not want to play it, but I didn't have that experience with the SRT+.
Ahah :) Nice to the Konami Hyper Soccer, Asterix and Psycho Pinball, gifted by "moi", rocking that system. Keep up the good work Riggs.
I hear on another review that the image quality is very graniny.. Does this work with the 8bit do receivers/controllers?
I would have like an in depth review using the included controllers. The ones that came with my system look more like Super NES controllers, and they are horrible. Games play flawlessly with my original controllers, but there is a serious issue with the included controllers with input lag. Kinda sucks, but overall the system works great when using original controllers.
Thanks so much I got this from Castlemania games, and it's a lot more fun than the Retron 5, as I have the super game boy and it works well, so I can play GB/GBC as well.
Hey could you please tell me where you got that Super Back To The Future 2 repro cart at
I got one as well. Loving it since my Genesis is kind of crapping out and I wanted to do some light collecting of the NES and SNES. By any chance have you played Monster Party for the NES on it? I tried with my copy and it didn't work. I bought it locally and traded with for Friday the 13th which plays great on the SRT+! Awesome video as always!!
I may be super late to ask, but how’s the sound quality on all of these??
do master system games run with a converter cart or from a Genesis everdrive?
Yes they do!
Does the input lag affect your gameplay at all?
what about the super nintendo multitap , as for me its all about super bomberman and the newer titles from the uk as the last one wouldn't play mario allstars
Does this have forced 16x9? Is there any inherent lag in the system? Assuming composite CRT cables work fine. How is the SOUND/colors? How is mode 7 games like mario kart and f-zero? Any flickering on platformers going fast to the right? All of those are kind of deal killers to me if issues.
How is the audio on this thing? Mainly curious about audio with Sega games. I know a lot of these types of systems have weird volume settings for instrument types and sound pretty awful and off key. Otherwise, at least from your camera's point of view, this looks like it works great. Much better than I expected. Thanks for sharing! =)
I personally found the sound on the Sega side very good -I reckon it passes the Sonic The Hedgehog test. The actual mix I'm less certain of. I understand it may be turning the stereo sound into a mono signal (which seems to be the case with many other Genesis clones)
Thanks for the reply. Downmixing to mono isn't a big deal for games like this. I only remember playing on a TV with mono audio anyway back in the day so I won't notice it. lol But being a musician that plays by ear and working with audio/video editing a lot these days, the audio on something like the Flashback or others is enough to make me cringe and just turn it off and walk away. Luckily is wasn't mine or i'd have returned it or taken a hammer to it. lol Luckily, I've still got my old Genesis Model 1 sitting in a box somewhere. Hopefully... lol Either way, as long as the audio is better than those other clones, the fact that this plays right off the cart instead of taking forever to dump the ROM is enough to consider one of these.
I wonder if I can play master System games with an adapter.
just out of curiosity; what if you have the original pad and the new one plugged in the same time? do they both control the first player?
Does the nes game Full Quiet work on this?
Damn I need to get me one of those😧great vid Riggs👍🏻
Did your classiq ii have a problem with Batman 89 neses audio?
I got mine. It works pretty good
Clearly it is. Still using it almost six years later.
Hey Riggs nice review. I happen to own the original super retro trio, and I was wondering if it plays super famicom games, or would I need to purchase the super famicom console? Love your work and collection.
@John Riggs
Hey man its cool you finally got a Super Retro Trio. The plus option is nice with the HDMI output. But that controller is wonky. I've had mine for about a year or so, and it was The great alternative. It does play the NES Everdrive. The sound for most games is spot on, but some of the high sound intense games have just a tiny bit of lag. But its in milliseconds. Although, yours working with Castlevania 3 puzzles me. That is because my copy won't play in mine...huh? Maybe my game copy is broken? Anyways, have fun with it.
P.s. Still waiting for part 2 of SNES Muramasa repro game board (HiRom) .
I pre-ordered mines off of eBay The Joe and Mac edition it's going to take a week to get to me
Does virtua racing work? Does golden axe 2 work with the bundled controller? Is the megadrive part laggy?
No lag, virtua racing doesn't work.
How's the sound and the HDMI picture quality?
Nice Review i have normal retro trio for a one year and a good console for many systens , everdrive sega genesis master system games work normal
I may be wrong, but the region trigger is for Genesis/Mega Drive. At least it has nothing to do with the NES.
You may be right. I just know it wasn't working until I switched it over.
John Riggs: RIGG'd you haven’t fully inserted the game, therefore the glitches. I have retro trio (previous model), and I am almost sure the trigger is for Genesis only. Try Streets of Rage, you will be surprised it has different logos for different regions. Almost all SNES games will be accepted, from all regions. Some SNES games check the frequency, so my pal version retro trio doesn‘t accept NTSC snes games which check frequency (like Donkey Kong Country). So yours will not accept those snes games from pal, which check the freqency. All nes and famicom games will be accepted, but on your ntsc version pal games will run with wrong speed.
Tristamson I've noticed the same, also with the previous model Super Retro Trio. The NES and Famicom games that work on it, work with the switch in any position. And Super Nintendo / Super Famicom games that specifically demand NTSC refuse to work on my PAL version, regardless of the switch position.
It has been a bit funny to notice that Star Wing / Star Fox doesn't check the frequency, and so it will just start normally on any system, but when the game starts, the parts of the picture that are drawn by the special chip in the cartridge are partly missing if the frequency is wrong. So with this game it would make perfectly sense to notify in the beginning if the game is not _designed_ for the current system, but that doesn't happen. Then there are many games that will refuse to start on a wrong kind of system, with wording like the game pak is not "designed" for this system. But when it's played on a system with actually effective PAL/NTSC switch (like SupaBoy S), all that matters is that the switch is in correct position when powering on. After that the switch can be flipped to the other position. (And the switch on the SupaBoy does affect also during the game, so the it's not that the system would only read the position at the power-on.)
So it seems that the wording about the designing is more a doublespeak for "We are more jealous than most other companies about which systems our games are played on".
Hey John great video. I have to ask...Where did you get that sweet twinbee tee?
It was a 1-day Yetee sale.
There's an NES everdrive. It's called the Everdrive N8.
There you go! I'll look into it. Thanks!
What about input lag?
Will it play Sega Virtua Racing?
does gauntlet nes play correctly?
So, if the region switch applies to all cartridge slots (I seem to recall it was Genesis-only on the original SRT) and power is supplied via micro-USB - does that mean I can just import a US version and play it here in Germany? I know there's an official PAL version, but it's hard to come by at the moment, and I'm not loving the blue/white design.
Any ideas?
Victor Redman Not so good idea. The switch on the console in this video only applies to the Mega Drive / Genesis slot. Many of the PAL SNES games would refuse to play on an NTSC system, and all PAL games that would play, most likely would play a bit faster than intended, because the Super Retro Trios seem to be hardwired to output either NTSC or PAL. So playing a light gun game on a CRT TV might not work either because the older TV's usually only supported one type of signal.
Besides, it turns out that the PAL version of the Super Retro Trio Plus actually has an extra region switch placed above the second NES controller port. In the PAL version the extra switch is labeled as 'SNES', and the switch that also the NTSC version has is labeled as 'SEGA'. The downside with the PAL version would be that it would play NTSC games a little slower than intended. (Apparently the region switch(es) only affect on how the cartridge will see the region, not the speed the console will run the games.)
Have you tried Legend of Link on the Retro Trio Plus? Does it work?
How does hardware that reads straight from the cart only cost $80?
do the game genies work on the system?
Sweet system to play retro games on without racking hours and hours on our retro consoles gathering collection dust put the ware and tare on a cheap clone that works great