Yes i agree so fast and so powerful and so skillfull never seen better one of the best players ever will will never get another Chris judd should of one atlest one more Brownlow and some more club best and fairest with comming second and third afew times missing games for an injury or being reported
My dad is still adamant that Judd snorted some coke at half time in the 2013 Elimination Final. How one can just come from nowhere and play a second half like that is just insane. Still gives me PTSD
@@eponymous7910 because he sprained his PCL a few weeks earlier, he was on one leg basically, that’s why he didn’t play against port the week before, he just stuck it out and had a great 2nd half. Judd is a champion and better than dusty
If judd didn't get ostetis pubis in 07 he probably would have been the afl GOAT. He was that much better than anyone else in the league at the time it wasn't funny. The groin problems made him human (but still great)
@@patkelly6349 I said "would have" not "is". Judd at west coast is better than all of them except maybe carey and matthews, but different era so hard to compare
You have to remember as well that Martin basically carried a team, that had not won a final for 16 years (and only 2 in 35 years), largely on his shoulders to a ground breaking flag. The amount of pressure on a player of his caliber playing for Richmond, perhaps the second most hated team in the game to Collingwood from fans + media, and doing so with his contract pressure in 2017 AND Dad being deported all the same time.. has yet to be surpassed on a personal level. Lastly, when you take into account Richmond were one win away from a potential flag in 2018, in a competitive 18 team league, which would have led to 4 flags in a row with 2020 being seen as impossible at the time given nearly the whole season being away from Melbourne.. he would have practically carried the greatest TEAM of all time as well. My dad who has been a Carlton supporter for over 50 years thinks Dusty is in the Carey and Matthews conversation already, and is the best he has seen.
Not true, this whole comment is based on the assumption that Dusty singlehandedly carried the team which is not true, if anything bent cockchin was more significant
Jacques DeLyons dustys a midfielder forward ofc he kicks more goals. Judd at west coast kicked 146 goals. In 6 years. If you do the math. If he played another 6 years for west coast without the groin injury’s, he would’ve kicked 300 from the midfield alone. Dusty hasn’t even kicked 300 yet and he’s a midfielder forward.
He has won 3 premierships in 4 years and has been voted best on ground 3 times... Winning 3 Norm Smith medals in the Grand Finals(Never been done before) and 3 Gary Ayres awards for the best player in the Final Series 2017 2019 and 2020 and won the Brownlow in 2017 for the best player in that season. Dusty, Dusty, Dusty
@@craigdavis3142 so Comfirming Adam Cooney is better than a lot of players because he was won a Brownlow medal ? Just saying Judd Was best player I seen, prob him and Ablett. Since 2000 era
This shouldn’t even be a question. Dusty has had 3 good years whereas Judd’s dominated from day 1. Judd also didn’t play up forward so its a terrible argument to compare the number of goals each of them kicked. But this doesn’t surprise me because Judd played at his peak at the Eagles and these Victorians don’t pay any attention to non-Victorian teams. Look what happened in 2018 😂
Ha ha lol.martin is so much.better than Judd e.g. much better skills kicking fend off . His longer positional.kicking is supreme . His forward work is amazing for a mid. His strength one on one leaves Judd well.behind . Martin.has judd completely covered and Martin still.has another 5 yrs mate he will.be one of the greatest players . Ps he's not a sook like Judd with the gutless chicken.wing incident either. What do ya think of those apples Mr McGrath
Ha ha michio an eagles fan. Mate dusty is far more explosive and skilful.than Judd by a country mile. Martin's field kicking is elite and that's under pressure. He is more powerful.than Judd..I can't see one area that Judd was better possibly in close.
Just further proof that despite playing the game, most of these pundits don't understand it ........ Dusty is in the conversation for GOAT, let alone comparisons with Judd.
the narrative judd did it from day 1 is so wrong. Judd averaged 15 touches his first year. Dusty averaged 20 and finished second in the rising star. Second year dusty averaged 22 and kicked 33 goals. Judd averaged 18 and kicked 30 goals. Seems they started pretty similar to me. Recency bias is a thing, so is rose tinted glasses. Tigers were just so poor at the time.
My guy Judd had cousins, kerr, fletcher, Braun, embley in the same midfield, Judd was much better early on clearly since he won a brownlow i his 3rd year, eye test alone proves Judd was a much better player and still is, Judd leads him in all accolades besides norm smiths, averaged a goal a game in the midfield which dusty couldn’t, only reason he has more is because he plays forward more so than midfield. Judd is 6th all time and is the 2nd best midfielder ever, and was at one point the best mid ever. Educate yourself on 2000s footy
@@obi-nine1504 having a better midfield means he had it easier to start. Oppositions had to much talent to spread attention across and you get more feeds from those other stars. As for accolades, judd was obviously a gun. But the norms and Ayres medals and 4 or more years to run, dusty will likely sit above Judd. I would say Judd has the best 3 year period of any player (somewhat modern). But dusty 2016 year blows him out in every statistical category. So he takes the best year. Dusty finals stats also wash Judd. But again, I wasn’t even arguing who was better. That is an argument for the end of martins career. I’m Just stating the fact that they’re stats show statistical parity at the start of their careers. Hence the the narrative Judd did it from day 1 and dusty didn’t is false. But as for educating myself, I have Judd’s ability as number 1 of all non current players. Even ahead of Ablett (aside longevity). So if you think I’m hating on Judd, you’d be wrong.
@@bluecollarscientist216 Judd averaged a goal a game from the midfield at west coast before his injury 😐Judd would’ve won a 3rd brownlow if he didn’t get injured in 2007. Obviously his finals stats are better, he’s had more deeper finals series. Eye test proves Judd is the better all round player. Do you remember back in 2004-2007 how good he was😂it was ridiculous. He had goat potential if he didn’t stuff his groins. And at Carlton although he wasn’t the same player he was at weet coast he still won another brownlow, and his stats at Carlton were better but at west coast he had to compete against cousins, Kerr etc. playing along side that midfield is a good argument, there wasn’t enough of the pill going around. Chris Judd bursting out from a pack breaking tackles and slotting a goal from 50 out is the quintessential image of the 2000’s.
@@bluecollarscientist216 Judds accolades: 2 brownlows 2 MVPs 5 best and fairest 6 all Australian 1 norm smith 279 games 228 goals 134 games for west coast and kicking 138 goals as a pure midfielder, he never rested forward like dusty who to me plays more time in the forward line.
Take a look at Dusty's first 6 or seasons. His stats are fucking trash. Averaging 6-8 contested possessions a game and 0.31 contested marks a game. He was trash as st the start of his career. Judd went bang from the start. Not even close in comparing.
For those agreeing with those Richmond haters that Judd did it straight away and Martin took 3, 4 or 5 years to be good haven't got a clue. I saw Martin play all those games live and he was amazing. Martin was doing the don't argue on blokes with mature bodies when he was 18 years old and playing brilliant football from the start. The only thing he needed in the first 2 years was a bigger tank to be super effective all game. However lets compare some stats and then tell me who was better early...... Dusty..... 2010 --- Games played = 21, Kicks = 210, Handballs = 215, Total Disposals 425 (Average per game = 20.2) 2011 --- Games played = 22, Kicks = 311, Handballs = 175, Total Disposals 486 (Average per game = 22.1) Judd.... 2002 --- Games played = 22, Kicks = 222, Handballs = 109, Total Disposals 331 (Average per game = 15.0) 2003 --- Games played = 22, Kicks = 268, Handballs = 150, Total Disposals 418 (Average per game = 19.0) So don't believe the narrative that Dusty was no good when he started, and Judd was great from the beginning. These nuff nuffs just talk crap without delving into facts. We also know that Dusty is the very BEST big game player of all time. An area that people might think Judd has the wood on Dusty is Brownlow votes. Career Brownlow votes are as follows Judd --- 210 Votes from 279 games played, 0.75 Votes per game Martin 191 Votes from 244 games played, 0.78 Votes per game (I have not included the games played in 2021 as votes have not been awarded for those yet) Also remember, no Brownlow votes for Finals, in which Dusty has been BOG for 3 finals series when it counts most. Now whilst I've debunked the "Judd was better earlier" crap, I'll also add that Dustin will be better longer than Judd too. So yeah Dusty is better than Judd. This is not just me saying this. My friend who is a diehard Carlton supporter thinks it isn't close. He is a man into his 60's and has seen a lot of the greats. He tells me he thinks Dusty is the best of all time. Also career numbers for those interested: Martin 250 games, Average Kicks 15.64 per game, Average Handballs 9.32, Average Disposal 24.95 per fame. Average Goals 1.11 per game. Judd 279 games, Average Kicks 12.73, Average Handballs 10.14 per game, Average Disposals 22.87 per game, Average Goals 0.82 per game. So Martin not only with more disposals per game in his career, but with the more damaging kick, he kicks it a lot more than he handballs.
@@harleyinglis1357 How did he Front run against Adelaide in the first Grand Final? Whist the Tigers ended up winning the Grand Final by 48 points, Adelaide was winning during the first half. The Tigers ended up taking a narrow lead at half time and it took until the third quarter before the Tigers kicked away (thanks a lot to Dusty's great performance). I don't call that front running, I call that being the most clutch finals performer ever. That was the same year as him winning the Brownlow and polling more votes than anyone else. Now you say he front ran the second grand final too in 2019. Of course the second grand final against GWS was a huge blowout from start to finish. However it wasn't just the grand finals, it was every game in all those final series where Dusty elevated his game to an extra level and dominated. In the 2019 final series, Richmond played 3 finals where Dusty kicked 12 goals with only 2 behinds kicked. The 2020 finals series speaks for itself with him digging Richmond out in the grand final itself with 4 amazing goals. He actually kicked 7 goals and 0 behinds that final series (remember this was the year all games were reduced severely in the time played in each quarter due to the covid). He still had 20+ possession games whilst kicking those goals too despite the reduced game time.
@@markymark4831 At the end of 2013 several clubs thought they were a chance to get him but weren't even close. North tried hard to get him in 2017 but you were talking about early in his career. Speaking about 2013, Richmond didn't want to trade him, they wanted to only pay him what he was worth at the time, so they let Dusty and his manager Ralph Carr explore offers to see what other clubs thought he was worth. So when Dusty's first contract was negotiated, his agent Ralph Carr played hard ball and shopped him around trying to get a better deal, but Dusty loved it at the Tigers and kept telling the clubs he was supposedly in talks with how much he loved it at Richmond. Here is a quote in an article from the age regarding what happened : "One by one the potential suitors fell away: some for financial reasons; some for concerns about his lifestyle or image; some because when they spoke to him all he did was talk about how much he loved Richmond and they wondered why on earth he was leaving. In the end the market was not what Martin or his manager thought it would be. The $600,000 a year four-year deal they hoped or expected evaporated." He ended up being signed on $480,000 a year at that stage at the end of 2013. So you make it sound like Richmond wanted to trade him due to him not living up to potential. That was not the case. In fact even in 2013, Dusty came 2nd in the Best and Fairest and Richmond made it clear that he was a required player at the club. They just wanted to pay him what the market thought his value was. As it turned out the original offer Richmond gave to Martin ended up being lowered a bit after Ralph Carr shopped him around. Martin's heart was not in this negotiation as he loved it so much at Richmond that it ruined their chances of finding a potential other team wanting him. Other clubs were also severely worried about the risks of the type of person he was and that it would come back to bite them. In regards his football ability, everyone knew he was worth a lot more. You did mentioned about Dusty nearly being traded to North in the early years. I don't remember North wanting him in 2013 during his contract negotiations but there were a lot of clubs testing the waters at the time. However in 2017 North made that huge effort to get Martin offering him 1.5million a year. The tigers then upped their original offer of 1.1million a year to 1.3million a year for 7 years which he then accepted.
Give me a break Judd couldn't pull off half the tricks in Dustin's kit, yeah great player but to compare is silly very different beasts. Dustin's achievements have never been made before. The guy literally won the 2020 Premiership for Richmond and 3 norm smiths. I feel like it's hard to compare great players from different times as the game is way harder to play today one would argue than yesteryear.
Wasn't 2020 the year when the blokes had to play like the girls because the matches were stripped down? Dusty plays like the modern footballer that's for sure.
I'm a woman is that all ya got 😂, what the fck has that got to do with anything you half-witted baffoon, I've been involved in footy my whole life, almost everyone in my family has played bar my mum lol get over urself mate.
Martine the better player judd the better biter. I was at Essendon v Adelaide wanted to leave at half time was talked out of it what a comeback one of the best football days of my life and I follow the tigers PS judd got goal of the year for that , Johnson was robed
@@tyler2794 Career goals: Martin: 272* Judd: 228 Goals a game: Martin: 1.11* Judd: 0.82 Accuracy: Martin: 272-188 = 59.13% Judd: 228-182 = 55.61% I also believe he's likely to have a longer more injury free career (some of that is luck, some genetics) and will only add to this tally potentially exceeding 350 goals which would blow Judd out of the water. Highlights are highlights. Of course Judd is going to look like a good goal kicker if you look at his highlights. Dusty is simply one of the greatest goal-kicking midfielders we have ever seen which cannot be argued.
@@tyler2794 I think you were meant to say not a full time mid??? Dusty is a midfielder that can be utilized in the forward line due to his ability to kick goals (precisely my point). Stop moving the goal posts and admit he's the more damaging goal kicker lol.
Lmao Judd averaged a goal a game when he was at west coast and he never ever played forward. Dusty plays forward more so than midfield, Judd at west coast was the best midfielder in the game and the best midfielder ever, he was simply remarkable. He’s no way the better athlete 🤦🏼♂️look up Chris Judd west coast highlights before he’s groin injury’s and feel ashamed, he was so fast and explosive, would kick running goals from 50 out, burst through packs and deliver a bullett to a teammate or kick a goal, he was so hard to tackle its not funny, Gary ablett, Luke ball, Simon black, Joel Selwood and Dangerfield and all said judd was the hardest to tackle when asked who was. Dusty might look stronger because he’s more solid, Judd was 190 cm 88 kg was the most explosive player in the league, impossible to tackle, he was a beast of an athlete. Dangerfield is the closet thing to Judd we’ve seen but even he doesn’t possess the explosiveness Judd does. Judd just hadn’t had the speed his whole career due to injuring his groin just before he came to Carlton, he was more of a inside contested midfielder at Carlton and didn’t kick as many goals due to losing his pace, he still won another brownlow even after having to change his play style. Judd is better at every part of the game besides field kicking and marking, he had bad shoulders so marking was always a weak point. You know nothing about prime Judd or 2000s footy.
Carlton fan here, the disrespect Dustin martin gets is crazy he is unqiue and no on like him he is in the goat convo but cause i support carlton judd is better :)
Give me dusty in a final over Judd every single day. Richmond we’re not supposed to beat Geelong in 2020 and some of Dusty’s goals came out of absolutely no where
Ha ha yr right Tony I can't stand his missus she is so full.of her own importance . Has her own tv show with all.her mates on it . Just a garbage programme
@@neilr4867 what happened their Neil. I recall barrel.givjng everyone advice on family matters and issues with his father who died many years ago. He shitcanned his dad in an interview with that clown mcglachlan in the newspaper. You should always be careful before you make too many comments
This is a great one too argue, I think Judd did a little more in a big contest and Dusty a bit more in open play. I believe Gary Ablett Jr is the best ever player and it’s not really close, if he stayed at Geelong that would have been a Mega Dynasty instead of joining the worst team for MegaBucks. Judd played inside the Contest more and that’s why he scored less Goals where Dusty plays Outside the Contest more and this suits each player.
I’m honestly embarrassed with myself for raising such a uni tute soft question but how much does Judd being a pretty model citizen vs. Dusty coming across like a weird anti-social kid effect your judgement?
Judd was great over his entire career. Mind you, I do rate Martin as one of the best of this era. He's consistent in the big games that actually matter. But Judd has my vote because not only is he vastly superior overhead with a mark, but he won a Brownlow with a club at the top of the ladder and a second with a struggling team down or near the bottom. Garry Ablett jnr is a better comparison.
Some of the things Dusty does are simply awesome !!! His latest Grand Final effort is one such example of his brilliance. However, his disposal efficiency is pretty bloody poor, running at somewhere near 60% last time I checked. Richmond fans know that he turns the ball over in really bad area's and costs goals. His defensive efforts are pretty ordinary as well. Would I like him on my team? Hell yeah, his pro's out weigh is con's. Judd was consistently brilliant from what I saw, playing most of his career in a horrible team, with average coaching staff. If he was able to put up with the West Coast 'party culture' particularly Cousin's antics, the Eagle's would had an amazing run of success.
A big part of dusty's low DE% is because our system kind of promotes gaining ground over controlling the ball. But, dusty does usually have a clanger a game, something Judd didn't really have. I have dusty ahead cause im a tiges fan and Dusty imo has done more to bring sustained success to richmond, but you can't definitively pick one over the over imo.
@@sentimentalbloke185 i would have to be to think dusty is better then judd, only one player better then judd in the last 20 years and that man is gary ablett jnr
Judds competion were superstars and his efficiency was ridiculous.. he never wasted the ball. Martin's competion are ok players.. he's had a good career but he's no Judd.
Judd hasn't proved it in multiple grand finals. You can say he hadn't the opportunity. But then again, many players have, and none are better than Dusty.
Grand final is only one game dusty is a freak in grand finals. Judd one an norm smith medal in a losing team. Judd is the most skillfull and one of the most fittest players ever to play AFL football.
How is it that you have such an insight into the fitness of AFL players? I mean, how could you possibly know the fitness level of each individual player to play in AFL history? Bold statement based on little.
@@arconeagain because of judds speed. He is one of the fastest player's ever. If he can run fast like that when he gets the ball he must be one of the fittest players ever. I know because when i was at school i was so fast. I bet former AFL player david rodan in a race and fittest test. Rodan was extremely Fast.
Pat Kelly loll and Tom Scully was on $2 million at the Giants?? What does that mean? 10-15 years ago only current mid to make top ten is Danger. AFL overhype everyone. Dusty touches the ball and Bruce blows his load.
Wouldn't say he's a flog but I do agree that if you look at Voss, Black, Buckley, Ricciuto, Judd, Hird etc, Dusty is still behind all of those. He has played well in the GFs, but hasn't had the career consistency and decade(s) of domination the others have had.
Lol people forget how good people are as soon as they retire.... Judd is streets better he found a way to impact every game and from day 1 to his last game
@@ordancekaramarkovski1612 this narrative is so wrong. Judd averaged 15 touches his first year. Dusty averaged 20 and finished second in the rising star. Second year dusty averaged 22 and kicked 33 goals. Judd averaged 18 and kicked 30 goals. Seems they started pretty similar to me.
Judd was cooked after '07, he lost all his lateral agility and kicking penetration. Weagles knew he was heading home to Vic and ran him into the ground with that dickie groin
Not really. Carlton was an exciting up and coming team at the time which made 3 straight Finals appearances and came very close to defeating West Coast at Subiaco in the 2011 Semi-Finals. Had that club not foolishly and stupidly sacked Brett Ratten after only 1 poor season in his coaching career, Carlton would have easily returned to Finals the following season just like Richmond did after 2016 and would have been a major threat in the Finals. I dare even say probably the only team that could have stopped that great Hawthorn team at the team. Retaining Ratten changes everything. A whole bunch of very good players like Betts don't leave the club in the first place, the players develop much more and more effectively under him than they did under Mick Malthouse and most importantly the culture of the club is much better and become more about winning than losing.
@@taliamason7986 pull the other one Talia. Yes, sacking Ratts was a mistake but that Carlton team had a very ordinary back six and their best forward was Jarrad Waite! There's no chance in hell they would've beaten Freo, Geelong or the Swans in September let alone Hawthorn (who the blues have only defeated once in the last 14 years).
Mate he was cooked because of he groin, eagles wanted him to play so they could make finals but that made his groin permanent, if he rested that season he would’ve come to Carlton the same he was at eagles
Can't really pick one, but as a WCE fan I actually find Dusty more impressive/skilled, not that Judd wasn't. But showy doesn't always mean better. In terms of influence on the game Judd by a bit.
@@bus5683 and I'm saying your point is invalid because I'm agreeing with people who know more than me. Anyways, quit whining like a bitch and focus on something a bit more important lol
Judd. He played agasint Dusty and made him look average every time. Dusty has gotten better once all the great mids retired or lost their form. Medals dont show talent. If Judd played in those Richmond premiership, he would be the best player in those teams and would rack home all the medals. Judd also preforms when the team doesnt, something Martin relies on, a good team around him.
Hird was the best , I have seen and I am a stkilda supporter and I haven't see nothing like it. Had the football on a string. I remember when we were attacking the goals for 90% of the last quarter and Sheedy put him half back. It was like a magnetic field was placed their. The ball couldn't get through and Essendon won by 1 point at VFL park
@@danbos7465 Hird was a great player and one of Essendons all time greats. However Judd also played against him and his mod and always made him look average. That's the type of player Judd was. He made super stars look like regular stars.
😂😂ur probably like 12, and you go for saints, mate Robert Harvey is better than dusty and he played for saints. You obviously know nothing about your club. I go for Carlton and I probably know more about saints than you do
I'm a Tigers Supporter and as it stands Judd is No 1 but who knows what Martin might end up achieving So the question should be asked when Martin Finnish's his career. GO DUSTY EAT EM ALIVE.
Dustin doesn't even come close. Everything Dustin does Judd did better and was playing in an era of champions. Dustin would have been an average player at best in his era.
Tony L how is he overrated, take some time out of your dad and watch Chris Judd eagles highlights, at west coast I’d take him over Ablett any day, he was freakishly explosive, no one could tackle him. Your going off by how he played at Carlton when he had groin problems at Carlton. Could of had three brownlows In 2007 but got injured
judd now but it will be dusty by the time his career is done. judd tapered off a little bit at the point in his career that dusty is at right now and dusty now is right at his peak
Judd was a machine, one of the best players i ever seen.
5:35 for those wanting to get to the point...
Watch a video of some of Judd's running goals at West Coast, and then feel ashamed. I've never seen anyone move like that before, or since.
Peter matera was pretty great at running goals
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Yes i agree so fast and so powerful and so skillfull never seen better one of the best players ever will will never get another Chris judd should of one atlest one more Brownlow and some more club best and fairest with comming second and third afew times missing games for an injury or being reported
@@kylemcmahon7651 hell yeah bro! Having played with Chris I always likened him to Peter Matera 2.0
@@kylemcmahon7651 facts. Matera used to thump em post high!!
Dusty is ridiculously good and is more adversarial, but nothing compares to Judd's consistency and freak talent. Judd 100%
Hindsight now after Dusty's retirement. Add that third Norm Smith to Dusty...its very close. Sometimes it's impossible to compare great players.
My dad is still adamant that Judd snorted some coke at half time in the 2013 Elimination Final. How one can just come from nowhere and play a second half like that is just insane. Still gives me PTSD
Just have a rack you'll feel better about it soon enough
I saw that game replayed again recently, he wasn't as good as everyone says in that match. Couldn't hit a target to save his life. Gibbs was better
@@eponymous7910 because he sprained his PCL a few weeks earlier, he was on one leg basically, that’s why he didn’t play against port the week before, he just stuck it out and had a great 2nd half. Judd is a champion and better than dusty
Hes class
Judd, when he was at the eagles the midfield was class with cousins and kerr
Best midfield ever with Cox? I think so. That the Swans managed to win a GF against them was incredible.
@@mikeg6606 yeah brisbane might have something to say about that.
If judd didn't get ostetis pubis in 07 he probably would have been the afl GOAT. He was that much better than anyone else in the league at the time it wasn't funny. The groin problems made him human (but still great)
West Coast Judd was almost unstoppable. WCE Judd and Suns Gablett are the GOATS
Rubbish duffcat what about Mathews carey .voss hird Martin.. gimme a break.mate
@@patkelly6349 I said "would have" not "is". Judd at west coast is better than all of them except maybe carey and matthews, but different era so hard to compare
@@TheDuffcat fair enough duffcat just having a bit of a tease but I do feel.martin is the best I've seen for a long time
Not true, Hird had some bone crack on his heel, troubled him and other injuries. When he played he got the 3 votes every week.
It’s gotta be dusty he has such a big influence and is so skilled no one in the league plays like he does currently
You have to remember as well that Martin basically carried a team, that had not won a final for 16 years (and only 2 in 35 years), largely on his shoulders to a ground breaking flag. The amount of pressure on a player of his caliber playing for Richmond, perhaps the second most hated team in the game to Collingwood from fans + media, and doing so with his contract pressure in 2017 AND Dad being deported all the same time.. has yet to be surpassed on a personal level. Lastly, when you take into account Richmond were one win away from a potential flag in 2018, in a competitive 18 team league, which would have led to 4 flags in a row with 2020 being seen as impossible at the time given nearly the whole season being away from Melbourne.. he would have practically carried the greatest TEAM of all time as well. My dad who has been a Carlton supporter for over 50 years thinks Dusty is in the Carey and Matthews conversation already, and is the best he has seen.
Not true, this whole comment is based on the assumption that Dusty singlehandedly carried the team which is not true, if anything bent cockchin was more significant
Martin all the way. Judd was a stoppage player. Martin is a creative beast who can kick six in a game.
Are you 15? Only saw Judd play at the Blues?
@@user-cx9gq2ud6t Nah mate I saw Judd at West Coast. He was a fantastic stoppage player but his field kicking isn't at the level of Martin.
@@jacquesdelyons3516 Well Dusty was a half forward for most his career even know still plays forward alot whereas Judd was a true midfielder
Jacques DeLyons dustys a midfielder forward ofc he kicks more goals. Judd at west coast kicked 146 goals. In 6 years. If you do the math. If he played another 6 years for west coast without the groin injury’s, he would’ve kicked 300 from the midfield alone. Dusty hasn’t even kicked 300 yet and he’s a midfielder forward.
Dustin doesn't even come close to Judd at west coast. He would of been an average player in that team.
He has won 3 premierships in 4 years and has been voted best on ground 3 times... Winning 3 Norm Smith medals in the Grand Finals(Never been done before) and 3 Gary Ayres awards for the best player in the Final Series 2017 2019 and 2020 and won the Brownlow in 2017 for the best player in that season. Dusty, Dusty, Dusty
A single person doesn't win premierships and both of his Norms are contested. He's a good player no doubt but Judd didn't take 5 years to get good.
Judd won his norm smith in a losing grand final very daily does that happen and those grand finals were won pretty easily
2 of his norms he was equal best with a host of other players
@@brentt8940 i dont think that matters
@@craigdavis3142 so Comfirming Adam Cooney is better than a lot of players because he was won a Brownlow medal ? Just saying Judd Was best player I seen, prob him and Ablett. Since 2000 era
This shouldn’t even be a question. Dusty has had 3 good years whereas Judd’s dominated from day 1.
Judd also didn’t play up forward so its a terrible argument to compare the number of goals each of them kicked.
But this doesn’t surprise me because Judd played at his peak at the Eagles and these Victorians don’t pay any attention to non-Victorian teams. Look what happened in 2018 😂
Ha ha lol.martin is so much.better than Judd e.g. much better skills kicking fend off . His longer positional.kicking is supreme . His forward work is amazing for a mid. His strength one on one leaves Judd well.behind . Martin.has judd completely covered and Martin still.has another 5 yrs mate he will.be one of the greatest players . Ps he's not a sook like Judd with the gutless chicken.wing incident either. What do ya think of those apples Mr McGrath
Spot on Dusty isn't even Goat discussions like Judd and Ablett are. I'd say the media are just getting bit bored.
Ha ha michio an eagles fan. Mate dusty is far more explosive and skilful.than Judd by a country mile. Martin's field kicking is elite and that's under pressure. He is more powerful.than Judd..I can't see one area that Judd was better possibly in close.
@@jj6392 Ablett senior then Martin. Judd not even in the same league too.much chicken wing crap. He is a mummys boy
Michio McGrath I think Judd is the equal best player along with Greg Williams I have seen not to forget he won the Brownlow at carlton
Just further proof that despite playing the game, most of these pundits don't understand it ........ Dusty is in the conversation for GOAT, let alone comparisons with Judd.
Llordo: "Who would you take in their prime?"
Barrett (?): "Judd, because he did it from day one"
Does Damien Barrett not understand the question?
Round 16 2001 Ess V Roos was the best home and away game I remember.
Juddy! Cant measure blokes of this ability with something like stats that can be manipulated on any given night by a coach or team mates.
Just a pity Judd went to a club thàt could not perform to his level.
Let's see Judd's 3 norm smith medals
the narrative judd did it from day 1 is so wrong. Judd averaged 15 touches his first year. Dusty averaged 20 and finished second in the rising star. Second year dusty averaged 22 and kicked 33 goals. Judd averaged 18 and kicked 30 goals. Seems they started pretty similar to me. Recency bias is a thing, so is rose tinted glasses. Tigers were just so poor at the time.
My guy Judd had cousins, kerr, fletcher, Braun, embley in the same midfield, Judd was much better early on clearly since he won a brownlow i his 3rd year, eye test alone proves Judd was a much better player and still is, Judd leads him in all accolades besides norm smiths, averaged a goal a game in the midfield which dusty couldn’t, only reason he has more is because he plays forward more so than midfield. Judd is 6th all time and is the 2nd best midfielder ever, and was at one point the best mid ever. Educate yourself on 2000s footy
@@obi-nine1504 having a better midfield means he had it easier to start. Oppositions had to much talent to spread attention across and you get more feeds from those other stars.
As for accolades, judd was obviously a gun. But the norms and Ayres medals and 4 or more years to run, dusty will likely sit above Judd. I would say Judd has the best 3 year period of any player (somewhat modern). But dusty 2016 year blows him out in every statistical category. So he takes the best year. Dusty finals stats also wash Judd.
But again, I wasn’t even arguing who was better. That is an argument for the end of martins career. I’m Just stating the fact that they’re stats show statistical parity at the start of their careers. Hence the the narrative Judd did it from day 1 and dusty didn’t is false.
But as for educating myself, I have Judd’s ability as number 1 of all non current players. Even ahead of Ablett (aside longevity). So if you think I’m hating on Judd, you’d be wrong.
@@obi-nine1504 if you look at the numbers they don't support your argument. All categories are close. Average disposal, total goals by year
@@bluecollarscientist216 Judd averaged a goal a game from the midfield at west coast before his injury 😐Judd would’ve won a 3rd brownlow if he didn’t get injured in 2007. Obviously his finals stats are better, he’s had more deeper finals series. Eye test proves Judd is the better all round player. Do you remember back in 2004-2007 how good he was😂it was ridiculous. He had goat potential if he didn’t stuff his groins. And at Carlton although he wasn’t the same player he was at weet coast he still won another brownlow, and his stats at Carlton were better but at west coast he had to compete against cousins, Kerr etc. playing along side that midfield is a good argument, there wasn’t enough of the pill going around. Chris Judd bursting out from a pack breaking tackles and slotting a goal from 50 out is the quintessential image of the 2000’s.
@@bluecollarscientist216 Judds accolades:
2 brownlows
2 MVPs
5 best and fairest
6 all Australian
1 norm smith
279 games
228 goals
134 games for west coast and kicking 138 goals as a pure midfielder, he never rested forward like dusty who to me plays more time in the forward line.
The 2020 campaign has tipped the scales now. Big games, finals, GFs, there's no comparison. With another campaign looming.
3 norm smith medals demolished competition when it matters not a Richmond fan
People who pick Dusty probably think Curry is better than Lebron, 10+ years of excellence > 4-5.
Dusty achieved more in 5 years than Judd did in his whole career
So what would u take 1 premiership in 10 years
Or
3 premierships in 4 years
U tell me
Judd for sure. Shouldn't even be questioned. The guy was a freak.
Was only freakish at the Eagles.
Wtf no where near, JUDDY IS KING
5 minutes of waffle and 2 seconds of actual talk about Judd. They need to re-title this video.
Hard to put players against players different games teams conditions
Compare the stats once Dusty has retired
Give the Carlton supporters something, haven’t had much else to talk about since 95
Take a look at Dusty's first 6 or seasons. His stats are fucking trash. Averaging 6-8 contested possessions a game and 0.31 contested marks a game. He was trash as st the start of his career. Judd went bang from the start. Not even close in comparing.
@@helion2126 Technically, that's a stat that you just quoted.
For those agreeing with those Richmond haters that Judd did it straight away and Martin took 3, 4 or 5 years to be good haven't got a clue. I saw Martin play all those games live and he was amazing.
Martin was doing the don't argue on blokes with mature bodies when he was 18 years old and playing brilliant football from the start. The only thing he needed in the first 2 years was a bigger tank to be super effective all game.
However lets compare some stats and then tell me who was better early......
Dusty.....
2010 --- Games played = 21, Kicks = 210, Handballs = 215, Total Disposals 425 (Average per game = 20.2)
2011 --- Games played = 22, Kicks = 311, Handballs = 175, Total Disposals 486 (Average per game = 22.1)
Judd....
2002 --- Games played = 22, Kicks = 222, Handballs = 109, Total Disposals 331 (Average per game = 15.0)
2003 --- Games played = 22, Kicks = 268, Handballs = 150, Total Disposals 418 (Average per game = 19.0)
So don't believe the narrative that Dusty was no good when he started, and Judd was great from the beginning. These nuff nuffs just talk crap without delving into facts.
We also know that Dusty is the very BEST big game player of all time.
An area that people might think Judd has the wood on Dusty is Brownlow votes.
Career Brownlow votes are as follows
Judd --- 210 Votes from 279 games played, 0.75 Votes per game
Martin 191 Votes from 244 games played, 0.78 Votes per game (I have not included the games played in 2021 as votes have not been awarded for those yet)
Also remember, no Brownlow votes for Finals, in which Dusty has been BOG for 3 finals series when it counts most.
Now whilst I've debunked the "Judd was better earlier" crap, I'll also add that Dustin will be better longer than Judd too.
So yeah Dusty is better than Judd. This is not just me saying this. My friend who is a diehard Carlton supporter thinks it isn't close. He is a man into his 60's and has seen a lot of the greats. He tells me he thinks Dusty is the best of all time.
Also career numbers for those interested:
Martin 250 games, Average Kicks 15.64 per game, Average Handballs 9.32, Average Disposal 24.95 per fame. Average Goals 1.11 per game.
Judd 279 games, Average Kicks 12.73, Average Handballs 10.14 per game, Average Disposals 22.87 per game, Average Goals 0.82 per game.
So Martin not only with more disposals per game in his career, but with the more damaging kick, he kicks it a lot more than he handballs.
This 100% mate.
I agree with this except Dusty did front run in the first 2 grand finals especially against the giants
@@harleyinglis1357 How did he Front run against Adelaide in the first Grand Final? Whist the Tigers ended up winning the Grand Final by 48 points, Adelaide was winning during the first half. The Tigers ended up taking a narrow lead at half time and it took until the third quarter before the Tigers kicked away (thanks a lot to Dusty's great performance). I don't call that front running, I call that being the most clutch finals performer ever. That was the same year as him winning the Brownlow and polling more votes than anyone else.
Now you say he front ran the second grand final too in 2019. Of course the second grand final against GWS was a huge blowout from start to finish. However it wasn't just the grand finals, it was every game in all those final series where Dusty elevated his game to an extra level and dominated. In the 2019 final series, Richmond played 3 finals where Dusty kicked 12 goals with only 2 behinds kicked. The 2020 finals series speaks for itself with him digging Richmond out in the grand final itself with 4 amazing goals.
He actually kicked 7 goals and 0 behinds that final series (remember this was the year all games were reduced severely in the time played in each quarter due to the covid). He still had 20+ possession games whilst kicking those goals too despite the reduced game time.
Dusty was almost traded to North in his early years because he wasn't living up to his potential...
@@markymark4831 At the end of 2013 several clubs thought they were a chance to get him but weren't even close. North tried hard to get him in 2017 but you were talking about early in his career. Speaking about 2013, Richmond didn't want to trade him, they wanted to only pay him what he was worth at the time, so they let Dusty and his manager Ralph Carr explore offers to see what other clubs thought he was worth.
So when Dusty's first contract was negotiated, his agent Ralph Carr played hard ball and shopped him around trying to get a better deal, but Dusty loved it at the Tigers and kept telling the clubs he was supposedly in talks with how much he loved it at Richmond. Here is a quote in an article from the age regarding what happened :
"One by one the potential suitors fell away: some for financial reasons; some for concerns about his lifestyle or image; some because when they spoke to him all he did was talk about how much he loved Richmond and they wondered why on earth he was leaving.
In the end the market was not what Martin or his manager thought it would be. The $600,000 a year four-year deal they hoped or expected evaporated."
He ended up being signed on $480,000 a year at that stage at the end of 2013.
So you make it sound like Richmond wanted to trade him due to him not living up to potential. That was not the case. In fact even in 2013, Dusty came 2nd in the Best and Fairest and Richmond made it clear that he was a required player at the club. They just wanted to pay him what the market thought his value was.
As it turned out the original offer Richmond gave to Martin ended up being lowered a bit after Ralph Carr shopped him around. Martin's heart was not in this negotiation as he loved it so much at Richmond that it ruined their chances of finding a potential other team wanting him. Other clubs were also severely worried about the risks of the type of person he was and that it would come back to bite them. In regards his football ability, everyone knew he was worth a lot more.
You did mentioned about Dusty nearly being traded to North in the early years. I don't remember North wanting him in 2013 during his contract negotiations but there were a lot of clubs testing the waters at the time. However in 2017 North made that huge effort to get Martin offering him 1.5million a year. The tigers then upped their original offer of 1.1million a year to 1.3million a year for 7 years which he then accepted.
No, west coast Judd is op
north melbourne v essendon in 2000 i think or 2001 they were 79 points down the bombers i think after north kicked 11 straight in the first quarter
Give me a break Judd couldn't pull off half the tricks in Dustin's kit, yeah great player but to compare is silly very different beasts. Dustin's achievements have never been made before. The guy literally won the 2020 Premiership for Richmond and 3 norm smiths. I feel like it's hard to compare great players from different times as the game is way harder to play today one would argue than yesteryear.
Wasn't 2020 the year when the blokes had to play like the girls because the matches were stripped down? Dusty plays like the modern footballer that's for sure.
Your a woman you don’t understand football. It’s not even funny how much better west coast Judd is🤦🏼♂️
I'm a woman is that all ya got 😂, what the fck has that got to do with anything you half-witted baffoon, I've been involved in footy my whole life, almost everyone in my family has played bar my mum lol get over urself mate.
Judd for me
Rhett Peter yeah absolutely
I’m taking juddy personally but Dusty’s one of the all time greats too💯
Martine the better player judd the better biter. I was at Essendon v Adelaide wanted to leave at half time was talked out of it what a comeback one of the best football days of my life and I follow the tigers PS judd got goal of the year for that , Johnson was robed
Martin is better in every single facet of the game. Not even comparable.
Martin wouldn't of even made the list in the 2006 eagles side.
@@Sothpawman are you really that stupid or just being silly?
Dusty > Judd, More damaging with his goal kicking, the better overall athlete. All-time Norm Smith record to boot!
more damaging with goal kicking... watch Judds highlight reel 🤦🏽
@@tyler2794
Career goals:
Martin: 272*
Judd: 228
Goals a game:
Martin: 1.11*
Judd: 0.82
Accuracy:
Martin: 272-188 = 59.13%
Judd: 228-182 = 55.61%
I also believe he's likely to have a longer more injury free career (some of that is luck, some genetics) and will only add to this tally potentially exceeding 350 goals which would blow Judd out of the water.
Highlights are highlights. Of course Judd is going to look like a good goal kicker if you look at his highlights.
Dusty is simply one of the greatest goal-kicking midfielders we have ever seen which cannot be argued.
@@GHOSTY345 dusty is a mid/foward not a full time forward.
@@tyler2794 I think you were meant to say not a full time mid???
Dusty is a midfielder that can be utilized in the forward line due to his ability to kick goals (precisely my point).
Stop moving the goal posts and admit he's the more damaging goal kicker lol.
Lmao Judd averaged a goal a game when he was at west coast and he never ever played forward. Dusty plays forward more so than midfield, Judd at west coast was the best midfielder in the game and the best midfielder ever, he was simply remarkable. He’s no way the better athlete 🤦🏼♂️look up Chris Judd west coast highlights before he’s groin injury’s and feel ashamed, he was so fast and explosive, would kick running goals from 50 out, burst through packs and deliver a bullett to a teammate or kick a goal, he was so hard to tackle its not funny, Gary ablett, Luke ball, Simon black, Joel Selwood and Dangerfield and all said judd was the hardest to tackle when asked who was. Dusty might look stronger because he’s more solid, Judd was 190 cm 88 kg was the most explosive player in the league, impossible to tackle, he was a beast of an athlete. Dangerfield is the closet thing to Judd we’ve seen but even he doesn’t possess the explosiveness Judd does. Judd just hadn’t had the speed his whole career due to injuring his groin just before he came to Carlton, he was more of a inside contested midfielder at Carlton and didn’t kick as many goals due to losing his pace, he still won another brownlow even after having to change his play style. Judd is better at every part of the game besides field kicking and marking, he had bad shoulders so marking was always a weak point. You know nothing about prime Judd or 2000s footy.
I love dusty but juddy everyday of the week
Carlton fan here, the disrespect Dustin martin gets is crazy he is unqiue and no on like him he is in the goat convo but cause i support carlton judd is better :)
Richmond supporters: "Dusty is the greatest ever"
Everybody else: "Fuck off"
Yes Judd was more flash at WC but at Carlton he re-invented himself as the best inside mid. Very few can do that
Judd for sure
Dusy still only 29. Has more footy to go. Both will be AFL legends
Give me dusty in a final over Judd every single day. Richmond we’re not supposed to beat Geelong in 2020 and some of Dusty’s goals came out of absolutely no where
Martin does it 6 or 7 games a year
Hard to take Judd seriously now that he has become Daily Mail fodder with his wife.
Right up there with Nadia "I refuse to use my maiden name" Bartel
Ha ha yr right Tony I can't stand his missus she is so full.of her own importance . Has her own tv show with all.her mates on it . Just a garbage programme
@@neilr4867 what happened their Neil. I recall barrel.givjng everyone advice on family matters and issues with his father who died many years ago. He shitcanned his dad in an interview with that clown mcglachlan in the newspaper. You should always be careful before you make too many comments
@@patkelly6349 She is a shocker mate!
Judd doesn't play anymore so what's your point? Plus Dusty is Daily MALE fodder for the blokes.
This is a great one too argue, I think Judd did a little more in a big contest and Dusty a bit more in open play. I believe Gary Ablett Jr is the best ever player and it’s not really close, if he stayed at Geelong that would have been a Mega Dynasty instead of joining the worst team for MegaBucks. Judd played inside the Contest more and that’s why he scored less Goals where Dusty plays Outside the Contest more and this suits each player.
I’m honestly embarrassed with myself for raising such a uni tute soft question but how much does Judd being a pretty model citizen vs. Dusty coming across like a weird anti-social kid effect your judgement?
Geez didnt realise the crows made a prelim in their second year
Judd was great over his entire career. Mind you, I do rate Martin as one of the best of this era. He's consistent in the big games that actually matter. But Judd has my vote because not only is he vastly superior overhead with a mark, but he won a Brownlow with a club at the top of the ladder and a second with a struggling team down or near the bottom. Garry Ablett jnr is a better comparison.
Gary is better than both
Some of the things Dusty does are simply awesome !!! His latest Grand Final effort is one such example of his brilliance. However, his disposal efficiency is pretty bloody poor, running at somewhere near 60% last time I checked. Richmond fans know that he turns the ball over in really bad area's and costs goals. His defensive efforts are pretty ordinary as well. Would I like him on my team? Hell yeah, his pro's out weigh is con's. Judd was consistently brilliant from what I saw, playing most of his career in a horrible team, with average coaching staff. If he was able to put up with the West Coast 'party culture' particularly Cousin's antics, the Eagle's would had an amazing run of success.
A big part of dusty's low DE% is because our system kind of promotes gaining ground over controlling the ball. But, dusty does usually have a clanger a game, something Judd didn't really have. I have dusty ahead cause im a tiges fan and Dusty imo has done more to bring sustained success to richmond, but you can't definitively pick one over the over imo.
he takes risky kicks that open the play up, that's why he gets so many score involvements
OMG. Richmond fans also know Dustin is in the top 5 kicks of a football ever. The array of skills is mindboggling.
in afl you are judged on grand finals not that i agree but so Dusty was in 3 so far
All I have to say is HIRD.
100% bud on the money 👍👍👍
Judd is better than Hird come on now
@@obi-nine1504 no way. Impossible.
@@danbos7465 😂compare their accolades lol, Judd is the best midfielder of all time, hird isn’t even top 5
@@obi-nine1504 no but Hird kills opposition at the end of the game when it matters
Judd. Shut down Cotch and Prestia winning the hard balls gets and Dusty doesn’t get those little handball receives. Judd would win his own ball
Anybody else notice Lloyd doesn't stand still? Sorry of you can't "un-see" it now!
Martin to Judd 😂😂 Judd by a mile
Ben Cousins was better than Judd.
J Leigh Well I guess cousins is better than cousins
@@Jay-nr9ik Cousins was also hopped up on a lot of coke and meth
Dusty will maybe be the best of all time
Dusty is a freak
You can’t be considered the goat but show up for 1/3 of total games you play each year.
Dusty never did pressure points dirty play and Chicken wings.
It's not even close. Dusty is, was, & ALWAYS will be better.
this is a joke right? dusty is a great player but not even in the judd conversation.
Yes, Dusty's way ahead with more to come.
@@sentimentalbloke185 are you high? lol
Are you?
@@sentimentalbloke185 i would have to be to think dusty is better then judd, only one player better then judd in the last 20 years and that man is gary ablett jnr
@@anthonyburge3984 I mean Dangerfield and Swan came close also Buckley
Judd for mine too
Judds competion were superstars and his efficiency was ridiculous.. he never wasted the ball.
Martin's competion are ok players.. he's had a good career but he's no Judd.
Judd hasn't proved it in multiple grand finals. You can say he hadn't the opportunity. But then again, many players have, and none are better than Dusty.
Grand final is only one game dusty is a freak in grand finals. Judd one an norm smith medal in a losing team. Judd is the most skillfull and one of the most fittest players ever to play AFL football.
How is it that you have such an insight into the fitness of AFL players? I mean, how could you possibly know the fitness level of each individual player to play in AFL history? Bold statement based on little.
@@arconeagain because of judds speed. He is one of the fastest player's ever. If he can run fast like that when he gets the ball he must be one of the fittest players ever. I know because when i was at school i was so fast. I bet former AFL player david rodan in a race and fittest test. Rodan was extremely Fast.
@@michaelnilsson4326 and read my statement again. Your reply deviates from what I said and therefore is irrelevant.
@@michaelnilsson4326 one an. Please.
Loll Martin wouldn’t even make the top 10 midfielders 10 years ago. Overhyped flog
Oh yes of course Jacob hes on a million a year how are you doing yr the flog
Pat Kelly loll and Tom Scully was on $2 million at the Giants?? What does that mean? 10-15 years ago only current mid to make top ten is Danger. AFL overhype everyone. Dusty touches the ball and Bruce blows his load.
@@jlrob85 so do I but my load is bigger
Wouldn't say he's a flog but I do agree that if you look at Voss, Black, Buckley, Ricciuto, Judd, Hird etc, Dusty is still behind all of those. He has played well in the GFs, but hasn't had the career consistency and decade(s) of domination the others have had.
Debut Hunter well said and agreed. He’s no Cousins either
Judd rn, Dusty at the end of his career!
Get off the fence big fella hahah its one or the other 😂😂
Lol people forget how good people are as soon as they retire.... Judd is streets better he found a way to impact every game and from day 1 to his last game
@@ordancekaramarkovski1612 this narrative is so wrong. Judd averaged 15 touches his first year. Dusty averaged 20 and finished second in the rising star. Second year dusty averaged 22 and kicked 33 goals. Judd averaged 18 and kicked 30 goals. Seems they started pretty similar to me.
Martin over Judd all day
Judd better at start of career but last half was no where near as good.
Id take judd in his prime first
Does my head in anyone who thinks Judd was better than Voss
Dusty is the best full forward in the game and the best midfielder in the game. Judd couldn't kick the ball.
Martin is nowhere near the best full forward lol
🔥JUDD🔥
Dusty didnt have to deal with drug addicts as team mates
Dusty doesn't find women attractive
none are good as ben cousins
Marilyn Lothian ....... such is life
Yeh but he had a bit of jet fuel on board and that does help just a little bit big lol
What in the sack
Judd has more Brownlow
It has to be Dusty
Judd wasted the peak of his career at the blues
Judd was cooked after '07, he lost all his lateral agility and kicking penetration. Weagles knew he was heading home to Vic and ran him into the ground with that dickie groin
Not really. Carlton was an exciting up and coming team at the time which made 3 straight Finals appearances and came very close to defeating West Coast at Subiaco in the 2011 Semi-Finals.
Had that club not foolishly and stupidly sacked Brett Ratten after only 1 poor season in his coaching career, Carlton would have easily returned to Finals the following season just like Richmond did after 2016 and would have been a major threat in the Finals. I dare even say probably the only team that could have stopped that great Hawthorn team at the team. Retaining Ratten changes everything. A whole bunch of very good players like Betts don't leave the club in the first place, the players develop much more and more effectively under him than they did under Mick Malthouse and most importantly the culture of the club is much better and become more about winning than losing.
@@taliamason7986 pull the other one Talia. Yes, sacking Ratts was a mistake but that Carlton team had a very ordinary back six and their best forward was Jarrad Waite! There's no chance in hell they would've beaten Freo, Geelong or the Swans in September let alone Hawthorn (who the blues have only defeated once in the last 14 years).
Agree that sacking Ratten was a stupid decision. I just don't feel like Judd got to play in many big memorable games after leaving WCE
Mate he was cooked because of he groin, eagles wanted him to play so they could make finals but that made his groin permanent, if he rested that season he would’ve come to Carlton the same he was at eagles
Can't really pick one, but as a WCE fan I actually find Dusty more impressive/skilled, not that Judd wasn't. But showy doesn't always mean better. In terms of influence on the game Judd by a bit.
brownless has no clue
Superb Stylez and how many afl games have you played ? I recon he would have a better idea than you
@@bus5683 I think Judd is better than Martin, which the rest of the panel who have played plenty of AFL games thinks you flop
Superb Stylez just saying you probably shouldn’t call out people who know more than you
@@bus5683 and I'm saying your point is invalid because I'm agreeing with people who know more than me. Anyways, quit whining like a bitch and focus on something a bit more important lol
Yes.
Gotta be dusty now added another premiership and another norm Smith.
respect judd pls
Judd. He played agasint Dusty and made him look average every time. Dusty has gotten better once all the great mids retired or lost their form. Medals dont show talent.
If Judd played in those Richmond premiership, he would be the best player in those teams and would rack home all the medals.
Judd also preforms when the team doesnt, something Martin relies on, a good team around him.
Hird was the best , I have seen and I am a stkilda supporter and I haven't see nothing like it. Had the football on a string. I remember when we were attacking the goals for 90% of the last quarter and Sheedy put him half back. It was like a magnetic field was placed their. The ball couldn't get through and Essendon won by 1 point at VFL park
@@danbos7465 Hird was a great player and one of Essendons all time greats. However Judd also played against him and his mod and always made him look average. That's the type of player Judd was. He made super stars look like regular stars.
No comparison ....Judd couldn't carry Dusty's bags .
Dusty all day
This should be a 9 nine second chat. Just everyone saying 'no'
Judd isn’t in the same league as Martin.
nup go dusty
REEVEX give the Carlton supporters this one, not much else to celebrate about 😂
If dusty has a few more really good seasons he’ll probs be the best player ever
Will doc09 settle down chief
😂😂ur probably like 12, and you go for saints, mate Robert Harvey is better than dusty and he played for saints. You obviously know nothing about your club. I go for Carlton and I probably know more about saints than you do
Not close to it, Rob harvey has him covered easily
Winning finals is the only judge, no dispute, Martin has been a huge influence on a grand final winning team ...
I'm a Tigers Supporter and as it stands Judd is No 1 but who knows what Martin might end up achieving So the question should be asked when Martin Finnish's his career. GO DUSTY EAT EM ALIVE.
Dustin doesn't even come close. Everything Dustin does Judd did better and was playing in an era of champions. Dustin would have been an average player at best in his era.
Easily dusty. Juds is just an eye Gouger
Judd by a mile
Voss..
judd didnt deserve the second brownlow. overrated
Tony L how is he overrated, take some time out of your dad and watch Chris Judd eagles highlights, at west coast I’d take him over Ablett any day, he was freakishly explosive, no one could tackle him. Your going off by how he played at Carlton when he had groin problems at Carlton. Could of had three brownlows In 2007 but got injured
@@obi-nine1504 I think he just said Judd didn't deserve the 2nd brownlow not that he was overrated
@@codeword632 Reading comprehension really isn't your thing, is it mate?
codeword are u dumb, he clearly said he was overrated
Dustin easily, more damaging and consistent.
xleft4deadxxx not sure about that
You are an idiot
Sugar spice AFL is nice You’re *
xleft4deadxxx dusty is overrated, bigtime
Dusty has only been playing at an elite level for 3 years. Judd was playing at that level for a decade.
Dusty easy
Judds a flog
Justin Martin is now just a basic unit...
judd now but it will be dusty by the time his career is done. judd tapered off a little bit at the point in his career that dusty is at right now and dusty now is right at his peak
JD17 yeah but but Judd started a Star Martin took like 4 years to perform
@@poshiegames1819 judd started better dusty will finish better
yeet
To answer the title. No.