@@johnhmaloney yep I was in Florida in the 70's when this was going on. I'll also say this - there were people I was expecting to be awful who were actually kind and welcoming so sometimes people will surprise you in a good way.
Before that it was Germans and Japanese, before that Irish and Chinese, all the way back too Neanderthal? I'm not sure we're so sapient...really tired trope,!
And every few years the "rumor" that a Chinese or Thai or Mexican restaurant is making their food from stray cats & dogs. You would think they would at least come up with something new to express their racism instead of the same old thing.
After being fact checked with the city manager and police department saying there were no pets being stolen and eaten. This morning the city departments received several bomb threats.
I live in Ohio, my daughter lived in Springfield, Ohio. I was completely astounded that Trump brought up that bogus story. I don’t know how anybody could have believed that ridiculous story. Springfield, Ohio is a very nice community.
Unfortunately my mom and grandma believe that crap. They’ve just lost complete empathy and understanding of people that aren’t white Christians. I said this on another comment, but I can’t understand where this wild “love your neighbor, unless they aren’t your race, or religion, or are poor.
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There's one thing I don't understand about why people fall for these culture war conspiracy theories: We all have phones on our person that are both very good cameras and video recorders. If these ridiculous claims were true, someone would have proof! Thank you for the wonderful message as always Reverend Trevors!
Very convenient that there's no such evidence, isn't it? Convenient for those perpetrating those lies, that is. In the meantime, they decry the video evidence of police brutality, etc. The people "falling" for this aren't falling so much as jumping in but both feet because they want to believe it.
I completely understand why they fall for this. It makes them culturally relevant as opposed to a bunch of fools whose opinions should be discarded. This is their chance to be important. They are not going to volunteer to be nobodies.
When “information” strengthens a person’s bias a low bar needs to be met to make it believable. I think that is why Trump gets away with so many obvious lies.
Nothing wrong with continuing your Bibical education as an adult. We wll never plumb the depths and breath of God and his creations. But having to go back to basic principles we learned as children is a problem. Spiritual babies who never consume solid food.
I agree with you Ed, but the problem is that the people that are spreading these lies are happy that it harms another person. There in is the crux of the problem, they have no moral compass anymore.
@@SethEdwards-hq9pm Yeah, Clinton was raked over the coals for that one. And *he* isn't running for *President*! But maga folks seem to think that no matter how many women complain, or how many felonies don has it's all ok and that he is being treated unfairly. There are plenty of pictures of don with Jeffrey Epstein. Perhaps judge by the company he keeps?
They already are facing consequences. No major incidents *yet*, as far as I know, but their are legal, good, hard-working, and caring Haitian immigrants that are thinking of leaving Springfield from fear for their children and themselves. So very sad....
If true Christians heard that some people were so hungry that they were in fact committing these acts - would they not minister to their needs and feed them? Why isn’t that point being made?
As a Haitian immigrant, I can say (without fear of bearing false witness), that Peking duck is fucking delicious. One point four billion Chinese can't be wrong, and we all love duck...
Thank you Rev Ed, my friend in Ohio said that there was a 😊threat at her grandsons school in Springfield (and they were in lockdown) scary for all, and a bomb threat at City Hall and the DMV. I hope folks start understanding that the lies affect the innocents. Love, ❤ and thank you
Yes, that's the intent. Scare folks to the point of staying behind locked doors and fearing everyone they see. Really, living like that has to be exhausting. We aren't to live in fear. We're to go out boldly with love and know that God goes with us every step of the way. By the way, when you do go out boldly, check on your neighbors. Some are elderly, some may be ill, and some may need transportation. Have a blessed day 🙏 ❤ 😸💙💙
@@libbycollins9349election workers in general. 1 I spoke to in rural NM had threats, even from her own family, and she's been doing elections for over 20 years! 🕊️
@@libbycollins9349 I worked with a Haitian couple down in Mississippi. They had fears even then, and I tried to keep them safe. They taught me so much about life. Poverty, resilience, courage, hope, friendship and love. These are wonderful, strong, loving people.
Quite correct. This instance of bearing false witness is harmful and potentially extremely harmful, for no reason other than for political points and furthering hate.
Let's see: politicians use these existing fears and prejudices in order to get us to elect them (because they have funding to do so). The corporations buy, bribe, extort these politicians in order to get economic advantage. I feel the main problem behind voter-suppression, racism, military build-up and the like is that honest elections don't bring the honest politicians any personal, economic advantage. Then they can/must groom (hobnob) voters with already existing fears and prejudices while they build their financial base (big business) which finds benefit in this suppression while it (business) demands (extorts) its agenda from them (the politicians). This is a real hole in the boat of our democracy from which it seems that the water from the leak is entering faster these days than we are able to bail-out and from which exertions we are quite exhausted. As we are in the middle of the ocean, there is no realistic option to "pull over" and fix the leak on dry land but must fix this leak (out) of democratic values and (and the leakage in) of unbridled, economic interest of the few - while existing. Basically, finding a way of limiting profits of all kinds on goods and products (a leakage-sail on the outside) while repairing the breach from the inside is the only stop-gap method of saving this boat of ours. The Democratic Party has recently advanced the notion of unions and union organizing as a means to alter the balance and repair the leaky bottom - but this is an unfair burden on the working-class. Without congress stopping the political system from supporting on-going corruption at all levels, no amount of class-warfare can peacefully and effectively fix our leaking ship. If we, in the USA, wish to "save" capitalist democracy, the political system must do its bit and ban corporate money out of politics and political money out of the political forums (news media). Tuberville and other corporately "influenced" politicians are only flailing in their throes of demise: even the rats who are causing holes in the sinking ship also suffer and perish eventually when the ship sinks.
I just realized, this whole thing is basically just a modern incarnation of Blood Libel. And if I said that to the people spreading this story, they probably would have no idea what I'm talking about.
You spoke from your soul, your passion has caused me to reflect accordingly, wondering why anyone could vote for such a person. Ed, surely DJT is a traitor to God. Take care...Amen
Jesus said in Matthew 15:14, "Let them alone. And if they be blind leaders of the blind and if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall the ditch 🤔 . Good work Pastor 🙏
Racists will be racist. Interesting fact about Springfield Ohio. As many small towns in America, it was a dyeing town. Filled with boarded-up shops and empty houses. The jobs had felt and the people with them. This is why the town was picked as a place for the Hattian immigrants. The immigrants actually saved the town. They moved into the empty houses, they opened up the shops and with the increased population, jobs came back. Thanks to the Hattian immigrants, the town is alive and growing.
@@ChrisBGramz4u the unfortunate part for Springfield is those very same immigrants are now talking about moving because they feel endangered and unwanted now. What will happen to Springfield if they leave? Everybody loses.
Trump playing into racist stereotypes and pushing talking points that have little resemblance to the truth? I'm shocked, i tell you! (I'm not shocked.)
And that is just a small taste of the things he says at the rallies for his supporters. Lately his big claim has been that parents are sending their children to school in the morning and the children are being forced to have sex change operations and then being sent home 3 days later as a different gender.
If we’re talking about the ducks and kittens, we’re not talking about P 25, Trump’s handling of Covid, and why UAW isn’t endorsing him and J6. Let’s keep our focus.
His lack of a healthcare plan that he’s promised for how long? His laughable wishful thinking of “if I had pulled out of Afghanistan it would have gone perfectly” even though he has no military experience, refuses to listen to advice, and has trouble retaining people that do have military experience, regardless of their quality? That he’s engaging in blood libel is serious too, though, and we need to start using those words.
this is the same mentality that is held by the type of people like the old man who shot a black teenager for knocking on the door, the teen was confused on the street number and only looking to pick up his younger brothers. The old man claimed he was scared. Why because a black teen knocked on his door????
The narrative that the old man received from his media bubble likely did give him fears that he believed. Those fears may have been utterly baseless but they still cause harm, likely harm intentionally created by those creating the scary narratives to harm those that are claimed to be dangerous.
I live in Stockton, CA. In the time post the Vietnam War we had a large influx of Southeast Asian refugees. There were a large number of similar comments in circulation, concerning this population. Also, Stockton is the location of Cleveland School. One must remember this as the location with one of the early mass-shooting events in recent history. Cleveland School had a large population of Southeast Asian students. Is not hard to connect the slanderous rhetoric in circulation with that event.
The biggest difference between now & then is social media. I remember hearing those rumors around the ending of the Vietnam War. I thought back then that it was a cruel lie so I didn't believe it. The crazy lies just travel around the country/world in a matter of minutes.
... The first time I heard about "the immigrants" was the late 70s in southern California on one of the local news stations regarding the Vietnamese eating dogs and cats, my mom got pissed off and called them and told them this was the same crap that was said about the Japanese during WW2, so glad she is not around this time, it would break her heart...
Let's be clear here: this is an old racist stereotype. Of Asians. Notice how close that sounds to Haitians? This started because an old video of a Black woman citizen with a mental illness eating a cat. And then a picture of a dark skinned guy carrying a dead duck. Some racist came up with the idea to blame this on Haitians in a particular city that has a lot of (legal) Haitian immigrants. It is all political, the Southern Strategy on steroids. I personally do not believe it was a mistake at all, but intentional.
The MAGA crowd probably can’t tell the two apart, anyway. It hasn’t only been said of darker skinned people, though. The Nazis brought up the same kinds of stories about Jewish people, most of them just look like the average white Joe or Mary. We all know what ensued.
@@CaroAbebe And it turns out the guy who started this one is a tatoo-carrying neo-Nazi. Brought it up in a city council meeting. He's part of a Nazi group who was already protesting the (entirely legal) Haitian immigrants in Springfield. They had to cancel school because of how bad it is there's despite the mayor and police telling everyone it isn't happening.
Or hit by cars (who didn’t stop!) then wandered into some brush or other area before passing away. We have no idea what happened to our previous cat, just that she never came home one evening. Never ever, ever, ever suspected she became a human’s dinner. (A bobcat, maybe.)
@@BarbaraBylow I don’t live in Ohio (although my husband did for about 20 years). We both feel that most lost pet cats are probably due to accidents and/or predatory animals, not hunting by people!
@user-gd4ku5se8h coyotes, black bears, bob cats, golden eagles, and foxes are all native to Ohio and all of which have been known to wander into human population centers and have also been known to run off with pets.
@@roaaoife8186 Thanks for that info. I do appreciate when my ignorance is addressed. Tho' l do have to admit that it's through my own laziness on looking the info up for myself.
This pet eating thing has been around for quite awhile to "other" darker skinned immigrants, particularly those whose ancient cultures or desperate circumstances have necessitated eating animals the wealthier, privileged West have put in servitude as pets.
Let me use a different perspective under my understanding of the teachings of Christ. The fact that people may have to resort to eating pets, then we have failed because we haven't properly fed the hungry.
"Not pale like me.", this is a great way of putting things. TY, Ed. We've got the problem of categorizing statements into true or false, when, indeed, the things we say are only partly true AND partly false. "Intent" isn't any easier to categorize or to force the experience "into-formation". Our ambivalence and our conflicting interests color our stories. I'm learning not to take myself or my stories seriously, but instead to laugh at my conflicts. Yet I still get upset at the efforts of others goading me into taking sides (as if this is some sort of game) or through someone's ingenuous intent in attempting to gain my persuasion and participation. I always taught my students that the only answer to a question must be, "It depends."
Thank you for making the distinction between a lie and bearing false witness. While either is wrong, false witness is taking the lie a step beyond. It also has the potential to cause so much more damage.
@@daltonadams4672 At some point, in the 2030s, a majority of Democrats will be atheists, agnostics, or none. The GOP will go nuts until a majority of them are atheists, agnostics, or none. It is possible in the 2040s, they can be separated.
Back in the 1980's the city I lived in (Milwaukee) became one of the hubs for Hmong refugees. There were a couple other small cities in Wisconsin that also had large numbers of Hmong refugees. It was really interesting to see the difference. Milwaukee, in general, welcomed them. The Methodist Church down the street from me had Hmong language services on Sunday afternoon after their usual services in the morning and the local park even included a choir from that church in their Holiday candle lighting the first weekend in December (which lit a Christmas tree, Kwanzaa candles, and a Menorah) which celebrated the diversity of the area. I was transferred to one of those small cities and it couldn't have been more different. Rumors went around that the Hmong were shoplifters, were given so much money by the government that everyone bought a new van, and they were stealing and eating dogs. "Othering" is alive and well.
And the former president continued to spew this hatred and this story again today in a speech he gave in Tucson, Arizona. Unbelievable. Thank you for your video, Rev Ed. You help me keep my balance when we are inundated with these kinds of speeches almost daily. Take care and be well, everyone. Peace.
Of course, this is SOP with respect to us trans folk: we are commonly accused of rape and sexual molestation...COMMONLY. We are _assumed_ to be criminals, and sinners of the very worst degree. 🏳️⚧️
When I heard this, I was too shocked to think much for a minute. Then, the thought crept into my head that IF it is true maybe those poor people are starving! Why else would they do it? I'm glad to hear it sounds like it isn't true.
There was a woman in Canton, OH who was arrested (i watched the body cam footage of her arrest) for killing and starting to eat a cat. She was born in Ohio though, she is an American. She does have brown skin, so thats probably the incident they are twisting for their purposes. She looked highly drugged or something is clearly very wrong with her brain, needs lots of prayers. 🕊️
@@jamesparson true, but prayers couldn't hurt, in addition to the psych help. I just saw a woman who looked really out of it, and all I could think was Yikes! 🕊️
@@dorksplorer Yes, this sounds like what I heard-investigations of these claims only found one case from a different city in OH, and the perpetrator was American. Apparently JDV is taking notes from the DJT playbook-twist the story, and magnify it several fold.
What was even worse was Trump claiming that Harris had slept her way to the top. Another thing he read somewhere. Most missed it because it was jammed between ‘she chose to become black’ and ‘I don’t care what she does’. Look it up.
This is what I was saying! Even if you're so gullible you believe people are snatching and eating pets, can you imagine how hungry you'd have to be to do something like that? Why wouldn't you just buy people some food, if you thought they were hungry like that? So maybe it goes without saying, but I think there's a lot of dehumanization behind people's responses to this, and probably driving their willingness to spread and believe this story in the first place.
Simple logic compels one to reject this stupidity. Cities and towns are full of wild game like rabbits and raccoons, and if you're around water, fish. It may be illegal to capture or fish, but it's safer to harvest wild animals than peoples pets or livestock. That being said, when I heard this i first remembered the old European hate filled statements about Jews using christian babies in the Passover ceremony. Hate is hate. It doesnt end It recycles itself.
I keep wondering when we'll have someone like the onion create a "true horror stories of immigrants" website full of stories like that time european immigrants came to America and forced the natives to move after "buying" land from their neighbors or california immigrants deciding to cut the trip there too close and took a "shortcut" into the mountains that resulted in the caravan resorting to cannibalism... You know, actual american history people should learn in schools to understand history, and that no matter how bad the story sometimes letting people come to america and make better lives here is the point not the reason to drive them out.
Please address this, as I haven't heard anyone else do it: after telling this lie, the press said to JD Vance that Springfield officials denied it, saying there was no credible evidence that any pets had been harmed in any way by immigrants. Vance's response was to the effect that they didn't say they had evidence that it *hadn't* happened. It's notoriously difficult to prove a negative. How would that even work?
Here's my 5 cents. In any society based on just norms and laws, any specific allegation must be followed up by specific evidence in support of the allegation. Often quoted is the saying "extraodinary allegations require extraordinary evidence." Vance is using trickery called "burden if proof fallacy" which means passing the "burden" of providing the evidence for a claim made onto someone else. It's a cheap trick, and vile, because in logic and reason and in a functioning society the evidence for a claim must be provided by the person making the accusation.
I think trump was watching a rerun of Alf, or MASH. 😂 Seriously, bearing false witness against someone is terrible. Someone started a rumor about me while I was in the Navy. During " don't ask, don't tell," someone in my barracks said I was gay. No one wanted to be my roommate. I'm straight and was so happy to get a room to myself.😊 You have to be a 1st class petty officer to get that. I was a 3rd class petty officer.😊
I pray for wisdom and clarity. By doing nothing I am doing something. Otherwise I would have taken it upon myself which this is exactly the wrong thing to do. So I pray for wisdom and clarity. God bless
Chickens and pigs are kinda normal to eat. So are ducks, especially good with plum sauce. If it’s just theft of livestock, well, that’s a crime and it should be taken seriously, but it’s not really a shocking or unusual thing.
I wrote a movie about this that Matthew Broderick and wife Sally did but is not released yet. It's a beautiful story about compassion and gratitude. I'm sure that's where dumbo got the idea. It is based on a true story though. The people were starving and were just trying to survive. In the story, Matthew owns a grocery store and empties it after seeing the condition of those who ate his BIG dog, feeding those who hurt him. The people were so grateful, they came to work for him and really enhanced the survival of all. It was a VERY isolated incident and occured in Canada....Calgary. it's a beautiful story.
The kitty litter story is true but it has nothing to do with furries. It is being provided so that students can have a place to go to the bathroom during a lockdown.
"About one of the stupidest things I've ever heard..." That describes a significant part of everything that the former President says. We're called to exercise discernment all the time. These days, anyone failing to exercise this ability is contributing to a major cause for social disintegration. That's all I'll say. Those who do this cynically are on full display. You can judge them as you like, even as we judge our own actions and attitudes.
I remember hearing the same thing about Hmong and Vietnamese immigrants in the 1970s and 80s.
I was just about to leave a comment saying the same thing. It was racist nonsense back then and it’s racist nonsense now.
@@johnhmaloney yep I was in Florida in the 70's when this was going on. I'll also say this - there were people I was expecting to be awful who were actually kind and welcoming so sometimes people will surprise you in a good way.
Before that it was Germans and Japanese, before that Irish and Chinese, all the way back too Neanderthal? I'm not sure we're so sapient...really tired trope,!
And every few years the "rumor" that a Chinese or Thai or Mexican restaurant is making their food from stray cats & dogs. You would think they would at least come up with something new to express their racism instead of the same old thing.
Same rhetoric hundred years ago, demagogues never have new material.
After being fact checked with the city manager and police department saying there were no pets being stolen and eaten. This morning the city departments received several bomb threats.
Sad to say, that is so the US !
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Yes and this is wrong for him to say that.
I live in Ohio, my daughter lived in Springfield, Ohio. I was completely astounded that Trump brought up that bogus story. I don’t know how anybody could have believed that ridiculous story. Springfield, Ohio is a very nice community.
I have several friends that believe it
Unfortunately my mom and grandma believe that crap. They’ve just lost complete empathy and understanding of people that aren’t white Christians. I said this on another comment, but I can’t understand where this wild “love your neighbor, unless they aren’t your race, or religion, or are poor.
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Proverbs 25:18 "A man who bears false witness against his neighbor
is like a war club, or a sword, or a sharp arrow."
There's one thing I don't understand about why people fall for these culture war conspiracy theories: We all have phones on our person that are both very good cameras and video recorders. If these ridiculous claims were true, someone would have proof! Thank you for the wonderful message as always Reverend Trevors!
Very convenient that there's no such evidence, isn't it? Convenient for those perpetrating those lies, that is. In the meantime, they decry the video evidence of police brutality, etc. The people "falling" for this aren't falling so much as jumping in but both feet because they want to believe it.
we have to be mindful of A.I. now also. I think most people believe it 'cause it makes them feel superior.
I completely understand why they fall for this. It makes them culturally relevant as opposed to a bunch of fools whose opinions should be discarded. This is their chance to be important. They are not going to volunteer to be nobodies.
When “information” strengthens a person’s bias a low bar needs to be met to make it believable. I think that is why Trump gets away with so many obvious lies.
There's more proof for Bigfoot, UFOs, and ghosts than there is for this story about immigrants eating pets.
Knowing that people are already receiving threats agonist the immigrants is horrifying
This needs to be heard not only by every Christian, but by the whole country!!!
Shameful you have to have basic Sunday School for adults. But here we are.
Loved Sunday School we learned love for one another
Nothing wrong with continuing your Bibical education as an adult. We wll never plumb the depths and breath of God and his creations. But having to go back to basic principles we learned as children is a problem. Spiritual babies who never consume solid food.
People come to Christ at different times in their lives, not at all shameful to be introduced to or being reminded gently of the basics. ❤
I agree with you Ed, but the problem is that the people that are spreading these lies are happy that it harms another person. There in is the crux of the problem, they have no moral compass anymore.
This is true. And it is so horrible 😭😭
And they all are extremely angry, all the time!
I do know that 26 women accused Donald Trump of sexual assault. That would be far more concerning to me. Yet oddly, MAGA folk just ignore all that.
Bill Clinton?
@@SethEdwards-hq9pm, Lewinsky was a willing participant, so...
@@SethEdwards-hq9pm Yeah, Clinton was raked over the coals for that one. And *he* isn't running for *President*! But maga folks seem to think that no matter how many women complain, or how many felonies don has it's all ok and that he is being treated unfairly. There are plenty of pictures of don with Jeffrey Epstein. Perhaps judge by the company he keeps?
@@SethEdwards-hq9pm sure, but that wasn’t assault, nor does it excuse Trumps behavior, it only condemns Clinton.
And, it calls itself the "party of family values". The hypocrisy is stunning.
It is the playbook of Fascist.
It's actually in the fake pastor propaganda rhetoric chanel which is precisely what this chanel is
Exactly!!
They said the SSDD about SE Asian immigrants back in the mid 70's.😢😅😊😮
…sad but true; just look at the History of Italy in the 1920s they wanted to expand into Africa.
They already are facing consequences. No major incidents *yet*, as far as I know, but their are legal, good, hard-working, and caring Haitian immigrants that are thinking of leaving Springfield from fear for their children and themselves.
So very sad....
There were bomb threats at schools linked to this.
Yeah a bunch of them are afraid to take their kids to school.
If true Christians heard that some people were so hungry that they were in fact committing these acts - would they not minister to their needs and feed them? Why isn’t that point being made?
They had to evacuate Springfield city hall today because of bomb threar!
Seriously, this crap has to stop.
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As a Haitian immigrant, I can say (without fear of bearing false witness), that Peking duck is fucking delicious. One point four billion Chinese can't be wrong, and we all love duck...
Plum sauce is good on other stuff.
Duck is hard to cook right, though, so fatty. I’ve tried a few times and never can seem to get it right.
True, Chinese food is great.
Thank you Rev Ed, my friend in Ohio said that there was a 😊threat at her grandsons school in Springfield (and they were in lockdown) scary for all, and a bomb threat at City Hall and the DMV. I hope folks start understanding that the lies affect the innocents. Love, ❤ and thank you
That's the aim!
Yes, that's the intent. Scare folks to the point of staying behind locked doors and fearing everyone they see. Really, living like that has to be exhausting. We aren't to live in fear. We're to go out boldly with love and know that God goes with us every step of the way. By the way, when you do go out boldly, check on your neighbors. Some are elderly, some may be ill, and some may need transportation. Have a blessed day 🙏 ❤ 😸💙💙
This kind of thing opens the door to a form of genocide, which is a frightening thought.
I am worried he will cause someone to be hurt with his lies😢
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Those poor election workers in Georgia, for example. I hope we don’t read about violence toward immigrants and Haitians.
If a single Haitian defends them self I'm sure they will be the ones accused in the headlines of "migrant crime".
@@libbycollins9349election workers in general. 1 I spoke to in rural NM had threats, even from her own family, and she's been doing elections for over 20 years!
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@@libbycollins9349 I worked with a Haitian couple down in Mississippi. They had fears even then, and I tried to keep them safe. They taught me so much about life. Poverty, resilience, courage, hope, friendship and love. These are wonderful, strong, loving people.
He all ready has : Mr Pelosi
So well said! Thank you!
Quite correct. This instance of bearing false witness is harmful and potentially extremely harmful, for no reason other than for political points and furthering hate.
Exactly. They had bomb threats there today. 😢
Let's see: politicians use these existing fears and prejudices in order to get us to elect them (because they have funding to do so). The corporations buy, bribe, extort these politicians in order to get economic advantage.
I feel the main problem behind voter-suppression, racism, military build-up and the like is that honest elections don't bring the honest politicians any personal, economic advantage. Then they can/must groom (hobnob) voters with already existing fears and prejudices while they build their financial base (big business) which finds benefit in this suppression while it (business) demands (extorts) its agenda from them (the politicians). This is a real hole in the boat of our democracy from which it seems that the water from the leak is entering faster these days than we are able to bail-out and from which exertions we are quite exhausted. As we are in the middle of the ocean, there is no realistic option to "pull over" and fix the leak on dry land but must fix this leak (out) of democratic values and (and the leakage in) of unbridled, economic interest of the few - while existing. Basically, finding a way of limiting profits of all kinds on goods and products (a leakage-sail on the outside) while repairing the breach from the inside is the only stop-gap method of saving this boat of ours.
The Democratic Party has recently advanced the notion of unions and union organizing as a means to alter the balance and repair the leaky bottom - but this is an unfair burden on the working-class. Without congress stopping the political system from supporting on-going corruption at all levels, no amount of class-warfare can peacefully and effectively fix our leaking ship. If we, in the USA, wish to "save" capitalist democracy, the political system must do its bit and ban corporate money out of politics and political money out of the political forums (news media). Tuberville and other corporately "influenced" politicians are only flailing in their throes of demise: even the rats who are causing holes in the sinking ship also suffer and perish eventually when the ship sinks.
I just realized, this whole thing is basically just a modern incarnation of Blood Libel. And if I said that to the people spreading this story, they probably would have no idea what I'm talking about.
You spoke from your soul, your passion has caused me to reflect accordingly, wondering why anyone could vote for such a person. Ed, surely DJT is a traitor to God. Take care...Amen
Traitor doesn't apply as it implied turning away from a held belief. Can Invision 45 ever existing willingly in the love of Jesus?!
Jesus said in Matthew 15:14, "Let them alone. And if they be blind leaders of the blind and if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall the ditch 🤔 . Good work Pastor 🙏
"We're gonna need a bigger ditch"
OMG this is more dangerous than what I thought!!!
Racists will be racist.
Interesting fact about Springfield Ohio.
As many small towns in America, it was a dyeing town. Filled with boarded-up shops and empty houses. The jobs had felt and the people with them.
This is why the town was picked as a place for the Hattian immigrants.
The immigrants actually saved the town. They moved into the empty houses, they opened up the shops and with the increased population, jobs came back.
Thanks to the Hattian immigrants, the town is alive and growing.
Her father is Jamaican, not Haitian.
She’s half Jamaican
My bad, not sure why that first Google search said Hattian, You are both are correct, Jamaican.
A local pastor even said his church was filling up again.
@@ChrisBGramz4u the unfortunate part for Springfield is those very same immigrants are now talking about moving because they feel endangered and unwanted now. What will happen to Springfield if they leave? Everybody loses.
Trump playing into racist stereotypes and pushing talking points that have little resemblance to the truth? I'm shocked, i tell you! (I'm not shocked.)
And that is just a small taste of the things he says at the rallies for his supporters. Lately his big claim has been that parents are sending their children to school in the morning and the children are being forced to have sex change operations and then being sent home 3 days later as a different gender.
If we’re talking about the ducks and kittens, we’re not talking about P 25, Trump’s handling of Covid, and why UAW isn’t endorsing him and J6. Let’s keep our focus.
His lack of a healthcare plan that he’s promised for how long?
His laughable wishful thinking of “if I had pulled out of Afghanistan it would have gone perfectly” even though he has no military experience, refuses to listen to advice, and has trouble retaining people that do have military experience, regardless of their quality?
That he’s engaging in blood libel is serious too, though, and we need to start using those words.
Excellent point!
Right on, Rev Ed! I appreciate your voice being in the world.
this is the same mentality that is held by the type of people like the old man who shot a black teenager for knocking on the door, the teen was confused on the street number and only looking to pick up his younger brothers. The old man claimed he was scared. Why because a black teen knocked on his door????
Exactly
The narrative that the old man received from his media bubble likely did give him fears that he believed.
Those fears may have been utterly baseless but they still cause harm, likely harm intentionally created by those creating the scary narratives to harm those that are claimed to be dangerous.
I live in Stockton, CA. In the time post the Vietnam War we had a large influx of Southeast Asian refugees. There were a large number of similar comments in circulation, concerning this population. Also, Stockton is the location of Cleveland School. One must remember this as the location with one of the early mass-shooting events in recent history. Cleveland School had a large population of Southeast Asian students. Is not hard to connect the slanderous rhetoric in circulation with that event.
The biggest difference between now & then is social media. I remember hearing those rumors around the ending of the Vietnam War. I thought back then that it was a cruel lie so I didn't believe it. The crazy lies just travel around the country/world in a matter of minutes.
... The first time I heard about "the immigrants" was the late 70s in southern California on one of the local news stations regarding the Vietnamese eating dogs and cats, my mom got pissed off and called them and told them this was the same crap that was said about the Japanese during WW2, so glad she is not around this time, it would break her heart...
Sadly, hate never changes.
Kwe. So important. Truth matters. Nmultis.
Let's be clear here: this is an old racist stereotype. Of Asians. Notice how close that sounds to Haitians?
This started because an old video of a Black woman citizen with a mental illness eating a cat. And then a picture of a dark skinned guy carrying a dead duck. Some racist came up with the idea to blame this on Haitians in a particular city that has a lot of (legal) Haitian immigrants.
It is all political, the Southern Strategy on steroids. I personally do not believe it was a mistake at all, but intentional.
The MAGA crowd probably can’t tell the two apart, anyway. It hasn’t only been said of darker skinned people, though. The Nazis brought up the same kinds of stories about Jewish people, most of them just look like the average white Joe or Mary. We all know what ensued.
@@CaroAbebe And it turns out the guy who started this one is a tatoo-carrying neo-Nazi. Brought it up in a city council meeting. He's part of a Nazi group who was already protesting the (entirely legal) Haitian immigrants in Springfield.
They had to cancel school because of how bad it is there's despite the mayor and police telling everyone it isn't happening.
A mob wearing red MAGA hats broke down my door, and ate my bearded dragon right in front of me.
LMAO
Rev, you need to send this to the Bible Thumping US Speaker of the House Mike Johnson....
Honestly, the chances are that the missing pets were eaten by wildlife, not by humans.
Or hit by cars (who didn’t stop!) then wandered into some brush or other area before passing away. We have no idea what happened to our previous cat, just that she never came home one evening. Never ever, ever, ever suspected she became a human’s dinner. (A bobcat, maybe.)
Not a lot of predators in western Ohio, at least of the four footed variety. Some birds of prey but not sure of their size to take down a dog 🤯😂🤨
@@BarbaraBylow I don’t live in Ohio (although my husband did for about 20 years). We both feel that most lost pet cats are probably due to accidents and/or predatory animals, not hunting by people!
@user-gd4ku5se8h coyotes, black bears, bob cats, golden eagles, and foxes are all native to Ohio and all of which have been known to wander into human population centers and have also been known to run off with pets.
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Thanks for that info. I do appreciate when my ignorance is addressed. Tho' l do have to admit that it's through my own laziness on looking the info up for myself.
This pet eating thing has been around for quite awhile to "other" darker skinned immigrants, particularly those whose ancient cultures or desperate circumstances have necessitated eating animals the wealthier, privileged West have put in servitude as pets.
Yep.
I wouldn’t exactly call pets as being in servitude. A lot of people seem to be in servitude to their pets.
@@libbycollins9349 yep?
Our ancestors ate dogs and cats; don't kid yourself about that.
Dang. Imagine if we got stereotyped as a cannibals because of the Donner party.
They aren't satisfied unless they have something to complain about.
I can just amagine what God is thinking, he probably turned his head and looked at Jesus and said, you've got to get down there.
Yeah, but it's us who are here. We are maybe Jesus' proxy. Didn't he say to be his hands and feet?
I'm thinking it's more like "Um, if we send you back now they'll ignore you because they don't know you"
He's looking at himself?
Greatly appreciate you.
So their evidence for any of their stupid lies is Trust me, Bro.
There was a guy in Germany 1930s who used pets in his political campaign in a very similar way.
Let me use a different perspective under my understanding of the teachings of Christ.
The fact that people may have to resort to eating pets, then we have failed because we haven't properly fed the hungry.
It’s not true. I volunteer at a foodshelf, and they are in all cities.
@libbycollins9349 I apologize I know it's not true, I should have made it more clear.
@@bb1886 no apology needed. It’s just that in this country nobody should be hungry. It’s disgraceful, isn’t it?
Trump is always targeting people. His actions and hate will destroy him.
@libbycollins9349 it absolutely is disgraceful.
"Not pale like me.", this is a great way of putting things. TY, Ed.
We've got the problem of categorizing statements into true or false, when, indeed, the things we say are only partly true AND partly false. "Intent" isn't any easier to categorize or to force the experience "into-formation". Our ambivalence and our conflicting interests color our stories. I'm learning not to take myself or my stories seriously, but instead to laugh at my conflicts. Yet I still get upset at the efforts of others goading me into taking sides (as if this is some sort of game) or through someone's ingenuous intent in attempting to gain my persuasion and participation.
I always taught my students that the only answer to a question must be, "It depends."
Thank you for this. It was very well said.
Thank you for making the distinction between a lie and bearing false witness. While either is wrong, false witness is taking the lie a step beyond. It also has the potential to cause so much more damage.
Once again I have No words !!
Thanks Rev Ed! Always on point straight from the Bible!
Exactly! On another note, love your tshirt! Made me chuckle!
Thank you ❤❤❤Amen
Thank you. Your words make me understand all this craziness.💙
Why do people think our Lord is interested in politics?
I know, right? But they did the same in Jesus' time - thinking the Messiah had come to rid Israel of the Romans.
Their pastor told them so.
I know the presenter is an exception.
He is interested in how we treat each other, which is, or should , be a consideration of politics
Is it possible to separate politics and religion in the USA?
@@daltonadams4672 At some point, in the 2030s, a majority of Democrats will be atheists, agnostics, or none. The GOP will go nuts until a majority of them are atheists, agnostics, or none.
It is possible in the 2040s, they can be separated.
How can you tell when a politician is lying? Their lips are moving! ✨😎
Back in the 1980's the city I lived in (Milwaukee) became one of the hubs for Hmong refugees. There were a couple other small cities in Wisconsin that also had large numbers of Hmong refugees. It was really interesting to see the difference. Milwaukee, in general, welcomed them. The Methodist Church down the street from me had Hmong language services on Sunday afternoon after their usual services in the morning and the local park even included a choir from that church in their Holiday candle lighting the first weekend in December (which lit a Christmas tree, Kwanzaa candles, and a Menorah) which celebrated the diversity of the area. I was transferred to one of those small cities and it couldn't have been more different. Rumors went around that the Hmong were shoplifters, were given so much money by the government that everyone bought a new van, and they were stealing and eating dogs. "Othering" is alive and well.
😂 The parties responsible for story even deleted post on FB & admitted it's a "I heard from my cousins friend's sister told me she heard from .., 😂
That kitten would be clawing the heck out of Trump’s head to get farther from that water. 😊
And the former president continued to spew this hatred and this story again today in a speech he gave in Tucson,
Arizona. Unbelievable. Thank you for your video, Rev Ed. You help me keep my balance when we are inundated with these kinds of speeches almost daily. Take care and be well, everyone. Peace.
Of course, this is SOP with respect to us trans folk: we are commonly accused of rape and sexual molestation...COMMONLY. We are _assumed_ to be criminals, and sinners of the very worst degree. 🏳️⚧️
Not by everybody. Not by me. That's a start, yes?
I love you.🤗
@@e-spy yes, you're not alone; there are a few Christians that "let God be God" in this. Thank You 😊💜
@@diannahill5577 Love, Blessings & Joy!! 😊💜
@@brettany_renee_blatchley , aww, thank you!☺️ 💞
Thank you Rev again for a thoughtful and level headed analysis.
Ps. Iguanas are cool too😸
Lying first becomes acceptable, then normal, then becomes the preferred means of communication.
The School was "Trust Me Bro."
Because of Trump's statement the other night, about Springfield Ohio, made someone make a bomb threat there which enabled the entire police!
I used that segment to teach my kids about "blood libel" and why it's so dangerous.
Amen.
When I heard this, I was too shocked to think much for a minute. Then, the thought crept into my head that IF it is true maybe those poor people are starving! Why else would they do it? I'm glad to hear it sounds like it isn't true.
People should start quacking whenever Trump enters the room.
It's my understanding that a wild coyotes main source of food is house cats.... that's now a problem.....
The truth matter ❤
There was a woman in Canton, OH who was arrested (i watched the body cam footage of her arrest) for killing and starting to eat a cat. She was born in Ohio though, she is an American. She does have brown skin, so thats probably the incident they are twisting for their purposes. She looked highly drugged or something is clearly very wrong with her brain, needs lots of prayers.
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Prayers won't fix that. Expensive mental health care might.
@@jamesparson true, but prayers couldn't hurt, in addition to the psych help. I just saw a woman who looked really out of it, and all I could think was Yikes!
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@@dorksplorer Thank you for your comment.
@@dorksplorer Yes, this sounds like what I heard-investigations of these claims only found one case from a different city in OH, and the perpetrator was American. Apparently JDV is taking notes from the DJT playbook-twist the story, and magnify it several fold.
What was even worse was Trump claiming that Harris had slept her way to the top. Another thing he read somewhere. Most missed it because it was jammed between ‘she chose to become black’ and ‘I don’t care what she does’. Look it up.
Also, this is a commentary on Hunger in America. That is a indictment against the nation.
This is what I was saying! Even if you're so gullible you believe people are snatching and eating pets, can you imagine how hungry you'd have to be to do something like that? Why wouldn't you just buy people some food, if you thought they were hungry like that?
So maybe it goes without saying, but I think there's a lot of dehumanization behind people's responses to this, and probably driving their willingness to spread and believe this story in the first place.
How do "they" not see they are being played, mockingly so?
Bomb threat forces evacuation of several Springfield buildings, schools; FBI, police investigating - Ohio local news
The Springfield Haitian community should sue Trump for defamation
Let's become unburdened by what has been
Good idea to let the past go. Liberating so you can move forward in life.
Simple logic compels one to reject this stupidity. Cities and towns are full of wild game like rabbits and raccoons, and if you're around water, fish.
It may be illegal to capture or fish, but it's safer to harvest wild animals than peoples pets or livestock.
That being said, when I heard this i first remembered the old European hate filled statements about Jews using christian babies in the Passover ceremony.
Hate is hate.
It doesnt end
It recycles itself.
One of the biggest traits of the ANTICHRIST is he'd throw truth to the ground .
I keep wondering when we'll have someone like the onion create a "true horror stories of immigrants" website full of stories like that time european immigrants came to America and forced the natives to move after "buying" land from their neighbors or california immigrants deciding to cut the trip there too close and took a "shortcut" into the mountains that resulted in the caravan resorting to cannibalism...
You know, actual american history people should learn in schools to understand history, and that no matter how bad the story sometimes letting people come to america and make better lives here is the point not the reason to drive them out.
Encouraging words.
Please address this, as I haven't heard anyone else do it: after telling this lie, the press said to JD Vance that Springfield officials denied it, saying there was no credible evidence that any pets had been harmed in any way by immigrants. Vance's response was to the effect that they didn't say they had evidence that it *hadn't* happened. It's notoriously difficult to prove a negative. How would that even work?
Oh I know!!!
Here's my 5 cents.
In any society based on just norms and laws, any specific allegation must be followed up by specific evidence in support of the allegation. Often quoted is the saying "extraodinary allegations require extraordinary evidence."
Vance is using trickery called "burden if proof fallacy" which means passing the "burden" of providing the evidence for a claim made onto someone else. It's a cheap trick, and vile, because in logic and reason and in a functioning society the evidence for a claim must be provided by the person making the accusation.
I think trump was watching a rerun of Alf, or MASH. 😂
Seriously, bearing false witness against someone is terrible.
Someone started a rumor about me while I was in the Navy. During " don't ask, don't tell," someone in my barracks said I was gay. No one wanted to be my roommate. I'm straight and was so happy to get a room to myself.😊 You have to be a 1st class petty officer to get that. I was a 3rd class petty officer.😊
People are eating ducks? Does the duck call makers and the duck hunting community know people eat ducks?
They're getting bomb threats today.
I pray for wisdom and clarity. By doing nothing I am doing something. Otherwise I would have taken it upon myself which this is exactly the wrong thing to do. So I pray for wisdom and clarity. God bless
Pure evilness the person must be laughing about their lie SMH IT'S DEPLORABLE .
There is only one race...human
Thank you for your voice of reason! Please keep it up! Quick question, is that a Gord Downie poster behind you?
I appreciate your comments here.
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Jocularity, Jocularity, Jocularity!
Dogs, cats, chickens, pigs?
I mean, whats next? Whales? Dolphins? Sharks? Maybe Turkeys
Chickens and pigs are kinda normal to eat.
So are ducks, especially good with plum sauce.
If it’s just theft of livestock, well, that’s a crime and it should be taken seriously, but it’s not really a shocking or unusual thing.
“I can’t find Fluffy, I can’t find Donald” 😂
Don't forget that 'slander' word.
Poor duck and kitten…
I wrote a movie about this that Matthew Broderick and wife Sally did but is not released yet. It's a beautiful story about compassion and gratitude. I'm sure that's where dumbo got the idea. It is based on a true story though. The people were starving and were just trying to survive. In the story, Matthew owns a grocery store and empties it after seeing the condition of those who ate his BIG dog, feeding those who hurt him. The people were so grateful, they came to work for him and really enhanced the survival of all. It was a VERY isolated incident and occured in Canada....Calgary. it's a beautiful story.
The kitty litter story is true but it has nothing to do with furries. It is being provided so that students can have a place to go to the bathroom during a lockdown.
I would find it funny if not for the fact that people's lives are being threatened.
NOT true at all. He has been a real embarrassment. I will NOT be voting for him! I live in SW Ohio and this town is 20 mins. from me.
"About one of the stupidest things I've ever heard..." That describes a significant part of everything that the former President says. We're called to exercise discernment all the time. These days, anyone failing to exercise this ability is contributing to a major cause for social disintegration. That's all I'll say. Those who do this cynically are on full display. You can judge them as you like, even as we judge our own actions and attitudes.