What I Learned After A Week of New Empress Arcana
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A Week of New Empress Arcana and My Findings
Big Things to Watch out For!
- Boundless seems to be way more important for us than ever before
- Using four of a kind on 3 stacks or less sometimes is worthwhile esp for the purposes of hitting boundless
- Managing the Clown Card is KEY for success!
- Star feels really bad
There are many different builds out there! Here are my surface level thoughts on them
and what I think the core concepts are
1. Maybe the "safest" build, 3 ruin with return
- This build will give you steady output
- Abundance of tools to stack and spend
- Plentiful crit damage buff allows you to ruin essentially anytime
- You start to leak skills in certain scenarios
- Boundless + Moon (This becomes more true with higher level cd gems too)
- Cull + Judgement (Both these cards are slightly less valued)
- Despite all this you get a good baseline of performance and do very high damage
2. 4 ruin skill builds
- I think these builds work better with high level cooldown gems
- The core of your rotation is actually scratch - call of destiny - ruin - spiral 2 - ruin
- In boundless this can loop almost perfectly (might need moon to make it smooth especially with low level cooldown gems)
- This combo catches the three second crit damage window for 2 ruin skills
Option A.
- Just replace return with serendipity
- What does taking away return give you?
- In boundless you theoretically already have 100% uptime on your crit dmg buff due to call of destiny's low cooldown
- I feel this gives those with level 7 cooldown gems the best middle ground
- Maintaining backflush gives you extra stacks to spend on your extra ruin skill
Option B.
- Replace return with serendipity, replace backflush with evoke
- Return is removed with the same logic as before
- Backflush is removed because it also technically is just additional weight to the rotation if you are ACTUALLY cycling scratch/call
- Evoke is added in to aid in card draw
- Essentially one evoke is one card worth of meter + maybe a bit more
- DO NOT OVERCAP YOUR METER IF YOU CAN
- This one seems to be the most chaotic and hardest to play
- The general idea is that it is incredibly fast paced with the added factor of evoke having to be triggered
- Forcing yourself into boundless is the most important for this build
- This build removes all the extra weight of any of the builds and boils it down to just the essential elements
making it speedy, efficient, and execution heavy
- You get big payoff for both cull and judgement pulls, even things like balance or three headed are really good especially
if you are good at spending four of a kind on 3 stacks when needed
- This SEEMS like the highest output build especially when you have high level gems
IN SUMMARY
In practical terms all these builds work and will take advantage of Arcana's current position of being a leader in damage
Play what you think is fun, if you think the pressure is too high, the 3 ruin skill build feels to me the most stable
What do you guys think?
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For the 4 red skill build, since a lot of people including me are running adrenaline. It's felt pretty good to change the neck from spec/crit to spec/swiftness so far. Then you don't really have the issue with low cd gems you talked about which might make it feel a bit weird.
Thanks for the info as always 🙂
I'm still getting used to empress arcana's slowness because I started as emperor xD
But my god, the back to back burst and the ability to jump in and out is so satisfying as empress
Thank you for watching! Empress is really fun with all the moving on her abilities!
Honestly, just started with the class and returned to the game after a few months gone, but holy crap this class is so much fun and so many possibilities, loved the video since I was actually wondering a bit about the builds you can go for, so this is incredibly helpful, thank you
Nice! Happy to hear you picked up Arcana. The class is super fun :D
You're back! I was waiting for you. I've tried some stuff that needs your approval. I'll be checking them, with this video.
Star is also a dead weight card for Emperor Arcana, atleast the more popular build is playing Nightmare (I am also playing it) instead of Dominion Fang. I usually, as you also mentioned, just hold it until a mech or any window where you know you won't be able to dps so I can do my last rotation with extra damage from Magick Addiction state.
Really good to know! I need to do much more research on Emperor but always get distracted with more Empress stuff or Reaper now T_T
Thank you for your work it's very clear and learned a lot!
Excellent video thank you
MP state is def insane, I find it a bit annoying to draw cards cuz I still run the barricade build, cuz I only have one 7/7 stone and I would need to change to much to change to wealth and raid captain build.
Love this Video thanks
Yeah I do find this with the 3 ruin skill build, I am not actually using return. Which is impractical since I do have a level 10 gem on it.
I see a lot of people saying star feels bad, and how important boundless is. While I agree, it's important to not certain scenarios star is good, and certain scenarios you don't want to be in boundless. A huge example is during a very good burst window with supp buffs + atrophin + cull or twisted fate. You'd want to be in mana addiction for those. Otherwise, yeah, it's kinda smoge.
332 is very nice, but 332 with evoke is pretty solid too. Been liking it so far esp on bosses that are easiere to get the hit off.
Very true! Especially if the boss phases after you burst with those buffs!
I haven't tried 332 with evoke! Maybe I'll mess around with it a bit
I play arcana on hell content and this is true only if you have DPS cards. If you are in boundless and have star and a utility card and a burst window is coming, you’d want to hold that star card because you’d want to throw as many 4 stacked red skills in during your atro duration. At best you can throw 2 rain, 3 SG and a ton of 2/3 stacked FoaK which does more damage than 1 rain and 2 SG on addiction.
But I guess in normal content, most likely you’re overgeared so your one cycle burst in addiction probably nets you a higher return and you won’t really end up using the full duration of the atro.
@@RubenDeAngelo correct to both of your points. Only with damage cards and only in niche situations. That's why I specifically mentioned the twister or cull.
Thoughts on adr vs cursed doll for these builds? I'm currently running 5x3 grudge, CD, raid cap, empress, hit master. I feel like adr is the better choice especially if u run seren but its so expensive to switch 1 engraving and I'm not sure. Dmg in trixion is higher with CD for me too
My advise to you is probably not to switch. The difference will probably be minimal, plus depending on who you play with and what synergies you have, your build is going to be more optimal too! I think your build is more than fine.
@@studiorainy awesome, thanks mate and keep up the great content/advise!
I play a gumbler's build xD,
I changed call of destiny with four of a kind (with cd and stack reset), so its a four ruin skills 341
And my rotation is same as before stack -> buff -> pop stacks execpt i pop between four to two stack in a return window depends on luck thus the gumbler's build
In an ideal scenario in a return window: four of kind + rain restack then four of a kind + secert garden
I like this build cuz it has the heightest cieling but also the lowest floor (a shitty scenario like: four of a kind reset cd but no stacks, restack then four of a kind with no stack reset again xD )
I think this build is really fun to play!! You can get some really good chains of damage with it
So far im using the other awakening to get even more card draws. Kinda insane to instantly start a deskaluda with cull/judgment or balance/joker... had runs with 3 ults and 7 balance, 7 judgments so far.
Im also still using card draw on destiny...
On a 341 you take out Call of Destiny, not Return???
Edit: You later say that Call of Destiny has a crit buff but it's Return that has it.
Call of Destiny and Return both have the crit damage buff, but only return has the crit synergy.
In builds where you don't use return, you must have the crit synergy tripod taken on Scratch Dealer's first tripod row
I have a few questions after watching this:
I never really thought or knew about the priority for boundless state. Therefore, for me, my rotation will never allow me to access it via 30% or lower MP, because of a lack of any kind of swiftness on Empress. (The CD's are just too high even with all level 7 gems, unless mayhem is active).
1. Is boundless really that vital and is it as important if you have a support already?
2. Is Empress a high APM class then for optimal playstyle?
3. My bread and butter combos right now are: Scratch + Dealer > Return + CoD > Celestial > Spiral > Garden. Second rotation is just waiting the 3-4 seconds for Return to be online again, but this time going with 4 of a kind > Secret. Is that all sub-optimal and not the way to play? I doubt I'm getting the mileage out of Dark Destiny, since it's only 3 seconds, so maybe I'm going about this the wrong way and need to change my combat preset shortcuts?
4. I'm running a 5 x 3 that still uses Barricade, but only 3 ruin skills. Is it more worth it to go back to Serendipity instead of 4OAK? Or would it be beneficial to remove return and add it to push for more frequent boundless states?
5. I'd really like some opinions on rotation, because this video is showing that you can spam arcana skills pretty frequently, when I've not been able to, due to the rigidity of how I'm interpreting what efficient uptime looks like on Empress: high prep for 4 stack into further prep via CoD + Return, then unload. It makes the class feel very setup heavy for 2 skills to do well, but in a realistic setting it's a massive headache to constantly attempt to re-position, wait on Return to go back online, and ultimately feels clunky to me. I have such massive downtime, but figured that it was very normal for a 0 swift spec heavy class.
6. Should I get level 7 gems for CoD, Back flush, and scratch? I currently have them at level 5, and Return is the real Achilles Heel from what I've experienced, and even with a level 7 CD gem on that I'm having to sit around 3-4 seconds still. I didn't think pushing level 7 CD on the other 3 would do anything, since they're already low base CD. But that might go back to how flawed my conception of how to play empress is and my rotation and mind space for what should be happening is way off from what really is efficient and optimal.
Overall this video actually makes me want to go back to scratch with the playstyle on Empress and start from scratch, pardon the pun. Because I'm just lost now if this is how you're meant to play.
All pretty good questions I'll try to answer what I can in brief. Do you mind if I make a video further answering the questions here? It might be good to have the visual aid side by side with the questions and maybe it will help other Arcana players who have similar questions!
1. Boundless will always feel super free and relaxing to Empress Arcana players and the support aura with attack speed will just increase that freedom due to the cooldown reduction being such a relief to our rotation and our ability to cycle ruin skills!
2. Empress is actually a high APM class. There will be a lot of low cooldown skills flying by and quick decision making will make your damage sky rocket. This can be achieved without a single stat point allocated to swiftness. The speed comes from base cooldowns, gems, nightmare set, and cards!
3. I think a video could probably demonstrate this better but long story short, I think you might be overlapping your stacking skills! Even though Call of Destiny's crit buff only lasts 3 seconds, its still actually enough to land 2 ruin skills!
4. Actually all those suggestions could work for you. For my suggestion I think you should keep your engravings where they are for now, and keep four of a kind for now. The tools you have at your disposal will take you far, we just need to hone it a bit so you can take advantage of the skills optimally
5. I think a video could help with this sentiment!
6. Cooldown reduction for Arcana is very nice! Level 7 gems across the board will give you a good platform to start on and I suggest you try to fill out your slots with level 7s. That being said its still possible to play with slightly lower level gems but some timings might not line up quite as nicely.
Don't fret! Just a few small adjustments and I think the class will make more sense.
@@studiorainy Hey Thanks for the reply.
I ask all of the above because I need to figure out if it boils down to a rotation issue or CD gems needing to be pushed higher.
I had a similar problem with Mayhem zerker, having equally invested enhancements, but rarely feeling like it ever performed.
Surprise surprise, I come across a random reddit thread concerning skill rotations and learned that not only do Sword Storm and Finishing Strike share the same CD's (with high enough reduction gems), but that the optimal rotation flows very differently than what I thought it was.
After cleaning up my shortcuts and practicing a new rotation I've consistently hit cruel fighter.
I strongly believe Arcana is in the same boat and want to learn how to be more active with her.
Hey rainy thanks to insight for arcana I’ve slowly learned to enjoy her so much I’ve made her part of my main 6. Are you going to do a similar video for emperor? Or is there someone u can suggest for me to watch other than memo or jiudau?
I am a big slacker when it comes to emperor for sure T_T
Maybe I'll do some emperor research and see if I can find another source for emperor info but I think I would start at the same places you did with Jiudau or memo.
Star is useful for characters who don't have the relic set yet though.
hi, what do you think of running evoke instead of call of destiny for 332? you mentioned cull's value going down and redundant stacking skills while under boundless + moon (6:20).
I think a really big benefit of running evoke is a huge card generator. For me I'm running barricade so i need protection runes rather than wealth on my ruin skills. Additionally, this would alleviate the issue of redundant stacking skills + loss of value within cull a little, since cod was the problem child for those issues.
I think some people do this. So far I have found evoke to be very useable and I think its a strong tool for an Arcana to bring with her into a raid. I suggest you give it a try and see if it fits well with your preferences. I think it would be pretty strong as right now, cards are very strong for Arcana!
hey, Maybe im late for this vid.
But I just started out.
I have 7/8 stone 7 raid cap / 8 cursed doll.
I thought I can go barricade as 5th engraving. since I have 3 protection runes.
What do u think ? or is it a waste of engravings and I should go hit master instead?
Also can I go swift on neck instead of crit and max out adrel ? or crit on neck is a must!!
atm Im running 4x3+1 grudge RC adre CD +1 empress.
Hmm I would personally go for hit master instead of barricade for now. It isn't typical that barricade and raid captain are run at the same time!
Some people have done swift on neck I believe and try to make up for crit with things like adren and maybe bracelets. But I personally would recommend that you try to save up a bit more money and go for a spec/crit neck!
@@studiorainy so swift on neck isnt a good idea? even as a start! I mean I do like empress more than emperor.
But I feel like with a lil swift I feel more comfortable to play the class!
what you think, I'm new to the class tbf, been playing her for 1 month now as daily gameplay.
Idk if ppl will think it will be troll or not. im at 1490. I really want to finish her build before I push her any further.
Hi, im your fan since the "arcana dmg guide" i came back to LA these days, and im bit confused about the new rotation.. im using 3 ruin skills +barricade build, sometimes i feel that my secret garden is "just there" ( i focus rain then four of a kind for dmg) and when four of a kind resets, shouls i keep spamming? or always go for rain?
You should be prioritizing rain and garden for damage! Four of a kind should be used when both rain and garden are unavailable! Four of a kind should generally be used on reset when you have a judgement card up and you don't have rain or garden available, or in edge cases if you want to get yourself into boundless mana!
@@studiorainy ohh i see, thank u so much < 3
most noticable change for me is that with the jiudau build we dont have a clear rotation anymore, you just gotta go with it. What build does have the most strict rotation in you opinion?
Hmm....
When I think about it, sometimes it feels like the 4 ruin evoke build has a stricter rotation, but its harder to execute. The 3 ruin skill build has a lot of redundancy so you can kind of substitute a few of the skills in place of others that do similar things (giving stacks, giving movement speed, giving crit dmg).
However the 4 ruin skill build is really lean and efficient, so each button has a specific purpose and generally lines up a specific way.
@@studiorainy i think so too, sure that makes it way more punishing if you miss something, but what helped me a lot learning the class was exactly the strict rotation. Like getting muscle memory for it, to execute it automaticly while focusing more on the boss or cards...i think will try out the 4 ruin variants for a longer period to see how it goes..and besides that...nothing tops the feeling of hitting serpen with cull judge i really miss that skill in the 332 build. Thank you for taking the time to answer my question and keep up the great content. TY
heeey ! What's are your thoughts on propulsion engraving ? It looks like a good option for cheaper accessories / legenday engraving
I haven't done any testing with propulsion actually.
Your space bar cooldown is really important however to your uptime and survivability. It COULD be awkward feeling like you have to constantly keep it on cooldown to get the damage increase... but I haven't practically used it myself!
Dunno in the end its all about fun and 4 ruin skill builds just really arent that for me :D Or having to use Evoke outside of chaos dungeons haha
Very true!! I think this is 100% accurate
Is she expensive to build? Would you recommend for a newer player? Looks like a lot of fun
Arcana isn't the most expensive to build actually. The pricing is a bit more medium! The biggest challenge would be the time gated stuff like getting your relic set, building up your tripods etc.
She is definitely the most fun class I have played!
@@studiorainy that’s great to hear. Im in no rush. I’ll take my time getting to end game. Having a blast. Thanks for the response.
So with 4 ruin skills 341, its better to use cod instead of return? But with cull judgement draws, wouldn't the crit damage buff durstion be better than cod to fit all skills?
You will only start leaking damage in the situations where:
1. You start your damage after a delay after using call of destiny
2. Your four of a kind resets a lot at the tail end of the combo
Shouldn't be too much of a problem but most of the time with good ability queueing it SHOULD be fine!
Especially if you proc your scratch dealer 3 attack speed buff first!
i was try to find my last piece (necklace) . for empress build should i go for necklace with high crit roll or high on spec
Personally I would go high on spec! There is always the possibility of crit synergy in your parties :D
Have you tried the 341 build that uses deception on four of a kind?
I have tested with deception a lot actually.
Had a lot of discussions with various people about the math behind it and I think its generally pretty good but kind of involved.
Theoretically with deception you should always gamble once per ruin skill with four of a kind leading. So for example,
4 stacks -> return -> four -> (gamble 75% stacks maintain) Rain -> 4 stacks -> four -> (gamble) garden)
I think this is mathematically the best expected value outcome. But.... I didn't document any of this and haven't done nearly enough testing to know if this is true. Does feel good to use it though!
sup at 10:27 u was use lvl 7 gems or higher cdr gems? :D
I was using level 7 gems!
im trying 242 in tirixon but i can barely beat my 332 build im trying so hard but im so bad at it 😭
Darn T_T Is there a specific aspect of the experience that's been hanging you up? Maybe I can make some specific information about it
@@studiorainy garbage rng i keep pulling star card first LMAO
i can average around 5mil ish but ive never gotten it higher
Depending on your gear level I think that's really good!
@@studiorainy 1492 with lvl 7 gems but idk when i sim with lvl 9 dmg gems on 332 and los 18 with cursed doll instead of adren i get 6m ish :( but with that same set up i still only average 5 mil again
if we remove return, where do we get crit damage buff from?
Call of Destiny should be using the tripod on the second row for the crit damage buff for 3 seconds!
@@studiorainy oh right totally forgot about that. After experimenting, which do you prefer? I feel like removing return for serendipity seems to be the best?
I'm currently running the evoke 4 ruin version of the builds! I am enjoying it so far, but it is a little awkward without the cooldown gems!