What if Model Kits #7
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- Part 7 in the sries celebrating model kits and imagining some models kist that might have been.
All of the kit-box artwork shown is fictional and intended purely for fun. (although some real kits are sjwon for reference purposes only).
This is just wishful thinking.
Although this vido is '#7', these do not need to be watched in any particular order.
MIG 242
Here is a link to the video I made showining how a 1/72nd scale Mig242 model was kit-basehed / scratch built. The audio was generated several years ago via text to speech.
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Matt Irvine used to exhibit stuff at various model show a few years back, roundabout 2009/10 he had the liberator, which he was in the process of doing some mild restoration on, the London, and a ship which was a single nacelle liberator, matt is a really nice person to talk to, even if you become a bit of a nervous fanboy like i had a tendency to!
How about doing some of the ships Chris Foss drew for the covers of all those paperbacks in the 70s?
Actually it'd be really easy to scratch build that one (Cetacian). There is enough info online and on the show itself to make a fairly accurate model. Some carved MDF for the sail, sheet styrene for the deck, and some Plastruct domes and tubes and you're good to go. The shooting miniatures were very simple and crude.
I agree.
One could also use DYI Christmas ball ornaments for the Cetacian habitat sections and such. That’d make the model between 10 to 12 inches long (or larger if you use balls larger than 3” in diameter.
The "Nautilus" sub looks like a mashup between a Soviet Alpha-Class and Gerry Anderson's Stingray. I'd buy a kit of it! 😎😆
Its not a bad looking ship.... ithere is just nothng about it that feels like the Nautilus. That said, Captain Nemo is pretty different too... the whol things is very silly. But good fun when you are a kid.
@@MattelineAnother great video! 👍
I remember the villain's sub in The Return of Captain Nemo being clearly built from bits of a Space 1999 Eagle!
@jamesswallowauthorscriptwr8356 Yes, specifically the big Mattel Eagle toy. This was shocking to me in the cinema years ago...
You might like to cast an eye over the Ray Harryhausen 'Mysterious Island' for another version of the Nautilus.
Yeh, I am familiar with it, but I'm not a big fan of the design in that movie. It felt a little half hearted, sort of like 'you can't beat the Disney design, so why bother?' but there were plenty of graet craetures so I don't mind,
In Capricorn One Telly Savalas (from Kojak) was the pilot of the cropduster biplane.
I loved silent running, it was an emotional roller coaster, valley forge stunning 😎👍
Yes, it's a great sci-fi film.
Would buy the Valley Forge kit in a heartbeat. Huey, Dewey, and Louie too. Valley Forge appeared in the original Babylon 5 series as background ship.
Years ago I saw some graffiti Free Huey Newton. The Newton was crossed out and replaced Louie and Dewey
I recall it being an 'agro ship' in Battlestar Galactica
Valley Forge ... I'd definitely buy one.
Yep...me too!
How about a Vogon Construction Ship. Or the Heart of Gold from the TV Series. Or even the Death Ship in black plastic?
I'm surprised you didn't consider kits of 'Hewi, Dewi and Loui' from Silent Running! One kit with three versions? Thanks for another really great video!
There are resin kits of the three but one of them is larger - but I think it’s just an “add on” lower section that could have been put on any of them.
Polar Lights do 1/350th USS Enterprise's (both ToS & Refit) that are over a metre long. Challenging builds, but worth it if you can do them justice......
Absolutely. I have both sitting on the top shelf. The Motion Picture version is very intimidating.. that paintwork. And the series version really has to have the spinny things in the warp engines..
For other Doctor Who ships, how about Dalek Saucers, Captain Jack's ship, the Zeppelins on 'Pete's World', The Sandminer, the Titan shuttle, the Nerva Beacon, one of the huge Cyberships?
They might help you.
Thank you for saving me the time to look these up.
@@DavidSiebert - The Cyberships would have to be the massive transports from 1968's 'Invasion'.
The Valley Forge would be a must for me. Not so much the London. On bad old televisions it always looked like an about say 4 to 8 inch long Lego model to me. I was actually shocked to learn how much work they actually put into it.
A lot of the BBC ships were actually pretty decent models. But we're usually atrociously shot.
For a series of vehicle/car kits, Dick Dastardly & the Wacky Races would make great kits, with the likes of Penelope Pitstop, Peter Perfect, Prof. Pat Pending, ETC.
There are already some these subjects in kit form - the race cars for Dick Dastardly and Penelope Pitstop and I think the “army surplus” one. I think they were originally released by Testors
Dick Dastardky's car is currently available, also Penelope Pitstop's car, Peter Perfect's Tubo Terrific and the Creeoy Coupe. From MPC
@@Matteline - I knew they had been re-released recently. I think they had come out originally in the 90’s, around the same time as the Mystery Machine and the Flinstone’s car were produced.
I’ve got one of the Wacky Racers comics by Gold Key if you ever want “reference” material. LOL
Thank you for another vision of what might-have-been-but-wasn't-quite in classic plastic modeling!
20th like.
Thanks for watching.
I love your artwork so much, and would build any model you've envisioned.
A number of years ago, I saw a video of a guy who had the front nose section from one of the Seaview's from the tv show. Either the 4 ft, or 8 ft version. He said he obtained it after it was cut off so the body of the sub could be used for the Nemo movie sub. Considering it was an Irwin Allen production, I wouldn't be surprised, considering what he did to the 4 ft. Jupiter 2 miniature for his City Beneath the Sea movie.
I have heard those stories, too. Like old seamen's tales, it is hard to get to the bottom of the story. But looking at the Seaview (one of the most beautiful designs in all TV and film) and compare it to the Amazing Nautilus, there is not part that is similar. The nose thebrail...the shole darn thing* is dufferent. But what i have managed to discern is that there was a submarine called the Vulcan tahy features in the episode 'lost bomb - the Vulcan has a very similar nose to the Amazing Nautilus. And the upper decka dn conningbtower. Possi ly some of the hull too. If you googke voyage to the bottom of the sea Vulcan submarine yiu will quickly see what I mean..so i think thisnis how the story has mutated over the years. A model submarine from Voyage was cannibalised to make the Nautilus... but it was not the Seaview.. check out this link.
www.vttbots.com/epi_guide_season3_17.html
You have done the Dove for Doppelganger, haven't done the Lifting body that beat it at the Oscars, the XRV from Marooned. Another Lifting body would be the real Northrop HL-10 from the Six Million Dollar Man or the M2-F2. (all three have been done in vac form or resin) Another spacecraft would be the Gemini based Moon ladder and shelter from the film Countdown (James Cain and Robert Duvall). the author of the book Countdown was based on "The Pilgrim Project" did another book called the Big X that had a fictional North American X-18 which was an enlarged X-15 air launched from the belly of a Conviar B-58 Hustler.
Great work on the City of Death ship. I'd forgotten that.
How about the Doctor Who Sandminer from Robots of Death?
I can't find many images of it. In fact the best image I found was a cutaway by an artist.
I'd like to be more specific, but youtube likes to delete my posts when I so much as hint at looking elsewhere.
I loved Scaroth's starship! Very stylish.
'Robots of Death' was a great story - one of the best in my opinion. The Egyptian overtones throughout the design was terrific. You never got a very good look at the ship, which can be a good impetus for wnating a model kit of something; What does it really look like? I'd love to see some decent photogrpahs, or drawings of the Sand-Miner.
Some other sources for subjects would be the TV Shows Quark, Space Cops, V, Logan's Run, and Salvage 1. The Cartoons Josie and the Pussy Cats in Space and Star Trek the animated series. The Movies Flash Gordon, Battle Beyond The Planets, The Last Starfighter, Death Race, and The Last Chase.
You do some great box art by the way.
I mean, Omega Man had a cool convertible 1970 Ford Galaxie that could benefit from a scale model Rat Patrol figure. You won me over with Blake's 7 - in High School, I wrote Blake's 7 the Next Generation as some of my big fanfic, a decade and a half before I got paid to write it. For Doctor Who, I think that the Arc in Space would have been sweet and the Venus Probe would have been awesome for the 6 Million Dollar Man.
The light blue one and the red one.
Your artwork never ceases to amaze ! You capture the spirit of each of the shows and movies with the box art. I noticed in the comments that someone mentioned Wacky Races which reminded me of the 1965 film the Great Race it had several fanciful antique cars and a antique submarine which would make great subjects. Keep up the great work.
Thank You. Yes. A stylish film. Also,'Thosee Magnificent Men in their Flying Machines'' although I think there was a series of those kits... the ones that were real.planes.... not the Tony Hancock flying bathtub.
Ut would be cool.to see some of the more memorable aircraft from 'Dastardly and Muttley - Stop the Pidgeon' as model kits!
There is a model of the Valley Forge out there. It’s an amazing multi media kit - resin, brass rod, photo-etch, and 3D printed parts. Lou Domaso of Aztec Dummy did a series of vids on the build he did. It was over 4’ long when complete.
Wow. I just looked it up. It looks great. I like the stand. modelermagic.com/kit-alert-re-issue-from-hunk-of-junk-productions-silent_running-1700-49-long-valley-forge/
@@Matteline it's a great looking kit that I'll never have as it is a very large kit when completed and I just dont have the room to display it!
Its also bloody expensive whish is another good reason! LOL
@Wild-Dad yes. I tbinknyou would have to be a massive fan - and an experienced modeller to purchase this and have it not just sit in the box....
@@Matteline - oh, please don’t be mistaken, if I was still single and had my own place again, and had only had to worry about monies for my self, I’d have that model!
But then, I wouldn’t have my beautiful wife and two daughters, so it’s ok I don’t have the room or the money to build the Valley Forge. I can still dream and if so desired, I could build a smaller version of my own! LOL
Another great video with awesome artwork. I would snap up all of those kits. Thanks for taking the time and effort to create those wish kits.
Thanks for watching and commenting. Glad you are enjoying the videos.
Ron Thornton designed a lot of the ships in Babylon 5...?...unless I'm mistaken..
Have you covered the many vehicles featured in the "Dan Dare" comic already or did I miss that ? - would be fun because the aesthetic influenced many of Gerry Anderson's early work before the Captain Scarlet era...
I have not done any Dan Dare. I am not too familiar with those stories and the world. Most of these Box tops are things I really wanted growing up. I was not really aware of Dan Dare back then. Si didn't long for more as u did with some movies and TV shows ....
OMG - The Amazing Capt Nemo I had forgotten all about that, I remember seeing it in the theatre when I was a kid and loved it.
really cool work!
I recently saw that there is a new, incredibly detailed model of The Valley Forge. Its by a guy using the name "Hunk of Junk". 49" long! Worth googling just to see the fantastic images!
I remember back in the early 2000s I saw several pictures of some very large card models online. One was the Sulacco (?) from Aliens and the other was the Discovery from 2001. Both were on the order of around 2 meters long. For really large models card modeling is about the cheapest way to go. If anyone is interested in real space modeling the Lower Hudson Valley Gift Shop has a 1/48th scale Saturn V available as a free download. Build length is about 8 feet. The first stage less the engine bell fairings and fins is over 8"/205 mm in diameter. Just trying to come up with a good way to maintain a reasonably true circle that big in card stock is tough as the designer pretty much leaves it up to the builder. On the Papermodelers site there was someone who was working on a 1/12 scale version if the first stage. Big enough to stand inside. And for the ultimate card model challenge there is a 1/12 scale Apollo spacecraft with Service Module, Command and Escape Tower/Command Module Aeroshell. Or go to MicroArtWork.com for a free download of the Swing Arm from the LUT in 1/96th. Just the instructions are worth a look. A 3d pdf file that can be viewed from any direction. Plus as it is a digital card model you can scale up to a larger size. Not an easy build.
Thanks for watching and commenting. Yes I saw that. That's the way to do it
The ship shows up in lots of other shows, Classic BSG for example.
The 'Silent Running' ship? Yes John Dykstra who did the vfx and was a Producer on BSG worked on the movie.
@@awol1703 yeah you can clearly see the silent running ship, I think it's even on the title.
A lot of these have been garage resin kits in the past including the Valley Forge - and yes it was massive.
Lou (Aztec Dummy) Dalmaso, built one on his channel a couple of years back
Thanks for watching. The impetis of the video is really things I wish had been available when I was a kid. It is great that there are now model kits - either mainstream or gargare - that have been done subsequently, but as a '10 year old' kid watching these films and TV shows for the first time i wanted to run to the hobby shops (Beatties of London was my local) and see if there was a model of it.
@@Matteline I remember Beaties in Romford - the selection of kits at my local shops was traditional and in hindsight limited. In the 70s best we had was Woolworths and an electrical shop that sold reels of caps and had the old Airfix bag kits.
@SamLowryDZ-015 We had a Beatties (Southgate branch - which I recently found out was the original store). They had Airfix, Revell, Aurora, Frog Monogram as well as Hornby trains. There was a Woolworths too which had Airfix kits, and our local sweet shop had the NEW (in the early 1970s) Matchbox kits in 2 and 3 colour. Great stuff.
I remember trying to build this, when I was a kid, out of Lego. I wasn't very successful!
What did you try to build?
Great stuff, mate. Thank you. Capricorn One! Keep your GD head down! 👍🏼
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The diving bell from "Warlords of Atlantis" would be great.
That would probably be a small kit...maybe 24th? Which could be cool. Otherwise, include it with the ship; 'The Texas Rose?
Not sure Ron Thornton was involved in SeaQuest. Also I think SeaQuest came just before Babylon 5.
wow... I think you are right. i would have put money on that! Ooops. Yesh 'Seaquest' was a couple fo years before 'Babylon 5'.
I think another great model plane woukd be tge one from Flight of the Pheonix , the plane they had to cobble together from the crashed wreckage . A great film . I also love the vehicles in Gerry Andersons Thunderbirds, Captain Scarlett and Joe 90 , those Tankers would make fantastic models , great artwork Matt 👍
Already been done the complete aircraft before it crashed,
Models of Valley Forge have been done.
Garage kits of Huey Dewey and Louie too.
Yes. I have seen pics if the massive 4 foot kodel which looks great. These videos are largely about what I would have loved to have seen on the shelves in my local model/hobby shop when I was growing up.
Great video - informative & entertaining as always! A lot of memories there. I remember seeing "Capricorn One" when it came out in the cinemas - still re-watch it every so often - people in power lying? - who'd believe it? 😇. And your artwork - SOOOOOOOOOOO good. Thanks for taking the time to do this.
OH - and yes - there was at least ONE massive resin kit from "Silent Running" - the same fella did the droids and moved on to do lots of other incredibly detailed kits from other shows/movies (I have his LEXX). Don't forget the awful "Doug McClure" movies of that time period - there were some vehicles in those.
'The awful Doug McClure movies'? They were cheap and cheerful masterpieces. Doug McClure himself was perfect in the films. And the rubber monsters. What's not to love? Fyi - if you check out the first video in this series, there is a kit of the Iron Mole from 'At the Earth's Core'.
I loved LEXX. What a whacky show that was...
An Anderson special next? wonder if Space Precinct will make an appearance.
...sorry. don't hold your breath for that. Or Terrahawks come to that. I need to give Space Precinct another go as it has not thus far grabbed me. As for 'Terrahwaks' - that's just a nope.
@@Matteline ha! Yes not a lot there really to inspire any art 🙃
Capricorn one i saw on HBO was shown soo maney times ran to death ☠️
It is a movie I can watch many, many times. The scene where Hal Holbrook meets with the astronauts is priceless.
Fantastic artwork, concepts and show. Excellent
Would love a video of how you construct your paintings,digital or other medua
Silent Running - great film, ruined by the fact that a botanist didn't realize plants need sunlight...
Didn't he set up some sunlamps and stuff towards the end.
I didn't care for Capricorn One, but I agree the helicopter choreography was incredible, suggesting the helicopters were living predators, sometimes turning to face one another as though they were consulting. Completely unrealistic, but compelling and frightening.
As a minor note, I believe MiG fighters are allocated odd numbered designations, so alas, no MiG 242.
Regarding the MiG I wonder if the 'even number' was intentional on the part of the writers. Fyi - I checked some actual Airfix boxes and they (incorrectly) say MIG not MiG
I see that the BBC are releasing a blu-ray Blakes 7 series 1. I guess they will do all.four series. As is the custim.for these older shows there will be the original shows and a second version with alternate vfx shots. These have been created, I believe, under the supervision of Mat Irvine. And using some of the original models. e.g The London..
Oh, man, I would have gladly killed or died for a model of the Cetacean from Man from Atlantis!
I was also crazy for submarines at the time, and I had the Seaview and the Flying Sub from VTTBOTS. I remember reading that the Nautilus from the Return of Captain Nemo was actually one of the smaller Seaview miniatures from VTTBOTS that had been basically heavily mutilated for the miniseries. I’m not sure if that’s true or not - some parts of it do look like that, but the entire back half does not. However the Raven - the other sub from the show - was clearly a hastily and sloppily modified Eagle from Space 1999
I love subs too. The Raven was made from the large Mattel Eagle toy! Yikes!
I have read the stories about the Seaview and its mutilation for Amazing/ Returm. From what I can determine this is not true. BUT the Vulcan submarine which appeared in the 'Lost Bomb episode does have a lot of similarities to the Amazing Nautilus. Especially the Conning tower section.
@@Matteline fascinating! Do you have any more information?
@mahatmarandy5977 Sorry, that's pretty much all I know. Information on the design and VFX/miniatures in Voyage and the other Irwin Allen shows is pretty thin. Actually from any of the shows back then.
@@Matteline hinestly, it’s more than I knew beforehand, so thank you!
I am a little bit young for Thunderbirds and grew up on 2000AD instead. I was always disappointed that there were no ships or vehicles from these worlds. Even a Dredd style monster motorbike would be a great start, not to mention all the other amazing designs imagined by artists like Ron Smith!!
I read 2000AD when it first came out. Inremember the different prices for the various planetary systems where it was sold. Ha. Tharg - the editor. Harlem Heroes. Flesh, Dan Dare, Judge Dredd, M.A.C.H. 1
@@Matteline Maybe you can take another look at some of those early back issues for some more model vehicle inspiration....
Mattline 67, you painted all of these images? Amazing! Regarding Capricorn One’s copter - have you seen 1970’s Figures in a Landscape with Robert Shaw and Malcolm McDowell? I’m a big fan of WWI biplanes, but I quickly realized model building is not for me. Your What If series is very entertaining. I look forward to watching your other videos. Thanks!
Yes, I painted all of the artwork. Thanks for asking. I have more on my website including portraits.
I haven't seen 'Figures in a Landcaape', but it sounds like one of those gritty british films from the 1970s. If you are interested in Helicopters I did a box top for the B&W tv show 'Whirlybirds'. I think that's in video 1. Thanks for the feedback. More coming soon.
Have you done the Whomobile?
The only other Dr Who kits I have done are the TARDIS (exterior only), Dakek (1960s) verson) and the Dalek Flying Saucerr from the Dalek''s Invasion Earth 2150 D movie!. I love that ship.
I've seen a video somewhere of someone building a Mig 242 from an Airfix Angel Interceptor and an... F-111 I think?
Yes. That was one of my videos from a while back. It features a weird text-to-voice narrator.
th-cam.com/video/Kuuie2gvQlc/w-d-xo.htmlsi=bHJix74Uo9APV260
I read that the canopy used for the Angel Interceptor, (the puppet-sized one), cost a fortune, so they wanted to get their moneys worth from it, so model aircraft like the MIG 242 were designed specifically to use the Angel cockpit.
@@TryptychUK I have read that too. I think pretty much all the Joe 90 planes used that canopy.Certainly the F-116 (Test Flight) and the VG104 (attack of the Tiger)
"...usually starring Charlton Heston..." Touché ;-)
Edit: I saw the Liberator on Swap Shop back in the 1970s!
Yes. I remember Mat lifting it up, and I was surprised at the amount of give in the struts supporting the neutron blasters.
Great ideas!
Tha ks.for watching :)
Well, a lot of (early) '70s sci-fi movies were soo depressing, plus most of them were box-office bombs, before SW most producers tought that sci-fi, at least on the big screen, was on the verge of death, so it's very difficult that someone would've done plastic models from one ot these. But also if Blake's 7 wasn't very known out of UK, I think that plastic models of the federation's ships (the baddies) would've been well accepted , simply for either conversions' bases or for the design, the Fed. Pursuit ship remember me of some starships in an SW - The Old Republic comic. And the Mig 242 would've been a great model, also if ironically URSS didn't survived in the '90s!
Yes, the early-to-mid 70's were lean times for sci-fi hardware. That was my point too. Not that nobody was doing kits, but there was nothing to do kits of.
The dumbest thing about Silent Running is when Bruce Derns character disobeys orders and sends the Valley Forge out to the orbit of Saturn. Where there isn't enough sunlight to keep the biodomes going. 😖
...yeh he is a it of an oddball right from the outset...
@Matteline >>> Great video...👍
Thank You
Hunk of Junk Models produced a Valley Forge Kit that was about 50 inches long.
And not cheap.
Apologies if you have already done this but can I suggest the vehicle that spacemen used to visit the Mysterons in Captain Scarlet and cause the war to start between them in the first ep.
Huh. Made a comment earlier about the Cetacean being available as a resin kit in 2014 (not sure if it's still being produced) and as a downloadable 3D print file, but TH-cam seems to have deleted the comment because I included links. Sigh.
Your art is amazing, may I ask how you produce it? Traditional media and then scanned, or on a computer? If the latter, what software are you using?
Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment.
The paintings are all done digitally in Photoshop. I have a 10" Surface Book tablet and paint with the digital pen.
I have had several prints made and have identified the 'perfect recipe' (for my purposes anyway) of paper type and printing process with a specialist printer to get great results.
Prints are available as well as unique commissions if you are interested.
Matthew
@@Matteline Thanks for the info!
Crablogger: Greta Thunberg's worst nightmare!
Atomic powered though... so a reduced carbon footprint :)
Spacecraft from Space Above and Beyond. SA-43E Hammerhead, ISSVAPC, USS Saratoga, Chig Fighter and Chiggy von Richthofen.
I remember 'Space - Above and Beyond' being a quite intense and grim show.
Would like to see your take on the black hole the ship the robots and such like max von shadow never look more sinister 😮😮
Superb as always
Thank you. 😀
Try to do some in that very distinctive Tamiya style...
...if you look at part 1 - with the Liberator on the thumbnail - has a Tamiya box. I try to make the manufacture 'right' for the kit subject. To me, Tamiya are primarily AFVs. Maybe a UNIT truck, or land-rover?
I've watched Capricorn one on youtube.
...did you like it?
@Matteline it was better in the theater, but yah.
Valley Forge was 2500 feet long….so at 600th scale the miniature should be just over 4 feet, or 1270mm long (which would be awesome!)
Thanks for watching. I wasnt 100% sure. The only info I could find was stuff online that said it was 1 mile long. (I think all big movie spaceships are listed online as being 1 mile long (Star Destroyer, the Cygnus). I did some admittedly rough maths looking at the shot of Lowell in the window and the surrounding details such as the AA logo and transposing that onto the wide shot (a dfferent model that does not show the open window so it is hard to match it up) and got somewhere around 1600 to 1800 feet. I was eyeballing a 6 foot figure and extrapolating from that across the length of the ship. Lotsnof room.for error... I am curious and impressed - where did you get hold of the 2500 feet stat?
@@Matteline I was wondering the same thing about that 2500 foot length, then it occurred to me that maybe the filming miniature was built to a specific scale because the domes had to contain realistic miniature foliage - like the kind of stuff used by railway modellers.
A bit of googling told me that the two most common scales for model railways are OO which is 1/76 scale, and HO which is 1/87 scale. I also learned that while trains in either scale will run on the same track, HO is considered the 'correct' scale.
The filming model was 26 feet long. Multiply that by 87 and you get 2262 feet. Not quite 2500 feet. but not far off either (less that 10% out).
Just a thought.
The choppers in Capricorn one were thr inspiration for "Black Helicopters".
11:02 Dr. Who Episode was written by Douglas Adams and was shot in Paris.