Ha ha I just did a job like this ! Bathroom. I used the bonding agent, then floor levelling, then a glue down cork. Worked well !! Thanks for posting, as always! Great channel
If you're like me and cannot get laticrete products in my area, the mapei ecoprim is a good product for the same purpose and works extremely well. Used it several times in this application and for plaster substrate for backsplash, (even though the Mosaic thinset says you can just go right over top of the plaster at the bond I do not trust it) and have had zero issues and great results
@@travismartin1915 live in a small town of 100k and only 1 home depot as their only big box store of that kind lmfao. I'll have to grab off amazon i guess
@@MV-wb2cz lookup bonding agent, there are serveral companies making them, stucco guys use it, painters, flooring guys etc. 100K town will have suppliers for these trades imo.
I haven't seen that stuff in a while. I once tried to clean it up with paint thinner. What a mess! That was before the Internet and easy access to information.
I'd be curious to see a 30 day bond test done with either ceramic or porcelain tile. My basement floor has cut back over every square inch, I removed the old linoleum tile when I moved in. I think I'll try it as I've been wondering what my options are when I finally get around to putting in a new floor...
I have this mastic on my kitchen floor. I plan to just do a floating laminate but can I use this primer to seal the mastic before covering with the floating laminate and it be safe?
This is interesting because I just got off the phone with this company and they told me you cannot use prime and bond over existing adhesive and that it has to all be removed because you’re only as strong as what you’re sticking to and my tile floor won’t last if I go right over black mastic
We use razorblades scrapers first together ant loose adhesive off then use mapei eco prim grip which has a grit in it ;oops pretty much same as what you used and is dry in an hour ready for tile or Ditra. That is a pretty common scenario out here in the rust belt.
Isn’t that asbestos? In the Uk we most likely would think it was and they usually are on the back of the Lino tile too, although low risk but still would have got it tested and left alone and just screed over if it was asbestos
We tested ours. It had asbestos. Looked exactly like this. When researching what to do with it, all the articles I found said you need to prime first before screeding over. So I think this primer video is a great idea.
I use the Mapei version of this. You can tell when tile was placed on top of the cutback because they sound hollow when you tap on them. The primer is very easy and simple! Thanks Isaac!
They also sound hollow when they're not installed properly... thinset skinned over, failed to back-butter, etc. One thing about tile over cutback though, is it's easy to remove!
I removed old hardwood floor for LVT. I noticed after removing the hardwood floor that there is a vinyl floor beneath it. There is a significant amount of hardwood floor adhesive left on top of the vinyl floor. Do you think I can use this product to smooth the vinyl surface? Thanks
Great video im having issues removing tile adhesive off a basement concrete slab...can i use this product right over it and tile using ceramic? Will it really bond to thin set?
I used to work for a union tile shop in Chicago and delivered to all the job sites. Laticrete was a big one they used to always use. All the tile at Soldier Field and Palmer House was most likely Laticrete to set the tile with
This Laticrete product says not to use over asbestos. PerfectPrimer is the one which is designed for asbestos. Not sure any of this matters at the end but just saying that black adhesive likely had asbestos in it.
Will this work with sticky adhesive tile for a cheap route? But tried scraping old glue off and it's hectic in a room I'm doing. Or do I have to do like different tile to use the prime and bond
80s adhesive made with asbestos, Usually people just grind the floor down until they get a smooth, uniform substrate. I’m glad there’s other ways to go about doing a tile job over this stuff. Laticrete should really sponsor isaac at this point lol
Damn wish I knew about this years ago... Anyone know if you can set tile over epoxy pebbletech floors and if this product could be usefull for that? my old boss had me tile over one 5 years ago and as far as I know it never failed, well I have another job coming up in a few weeks over one.
From the spec sheet: "When bonding to cutback adhesive or other adhesive residue. Adhesive residue must be wet-scraped to the finish of the concrete leaving only the transparent staining from the adhesive. Do not use adhesive removers, solvents or other chemicals that may penetrate into the concrete."
Hi, been looking at uncoupling membranes. Was being steered to Blanke Permat because the claim is that it adds substantial strength to the floor in using the mat. Nowhere have I seen any comparison tests on crack isolation or strength claims. Loved your tests on grouts ,very surprising. Plenty of people using these uncoupling membranes but no comparisons. Saw Sal DiBasi's endorsement of Blanke Permat. We may all be surprised in a real life comparison of products in tests.
Often this stuff was mixed with asbestos. I hope you wore significant protective gear. When I dealt with it, I did the primer method (different company's product).
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Do not install over any substrates, cutback adhesive, or other adhesive residue containing asbestos. Always verify it does not contain asbestos. I just copied and pasted from the Litictete site odf
Ha ha I just did a job like this ! Bathroom.
I used the bonding agent, then floor levelling, then a glue down cork.
Worked well !!
Thanks for posting, as always!
Great channel
You saved the day. Just did this. Tile coach for the win.
Thank you so much for that TC. Have an identical situation in my house and this infor will help much when it's time to fix the floor.
I do asbestos inspections and testing, that looks like black mastic. Those vinyl tiles can also contain double digit percentages of asbestos.
This is exactly what I was looking for, thank you!
If you're like me and cannot get laticrete products in my area, the mapei ecoprim is a good product for the same purpose and works extremely well. Used it several times in this application and for plaster substrate for backsplash, (even though the Mosaic thinset says you can just go right over top of the plaster at the bond I do not trust it) and have had zero issues and great results
Thank you for posting !
and what if you only have 1 home depot in town to go to which doesn't carry mapei products? What do you use then?
@@MV-wb2cz Do you have a Lowe's? They generally carry Mapei. I think I got an equivalent primer off of Amazon.
@@travismartin1915 live in a small town of 100k and only 1 home depot as their only big box store of that kind lmfao. I'll have to grab off amazon i guess
@@MV-wb2cz lookup bonding agent, there are serveral companies making them, stucco guys use it, painters, flooring guys etc.
100K town will have suppliers for these trades imo.
I haven't seen that stuff in a while. I once tried to clean it up with paint thinner. What a mess! That was before the Internet and easy access to information.
I'd be curious to see a 30 day bond test done with either ceramic or porcelain tile. My basement floor has cut back over every square inch, I removed the old linoleum tile when I moved in. I think I'll try it as I've been wondering what my options are when I finally get around to putting in a new floor...
So no Ditra is required for concrete? Is this stuff only for bonding surface?
The first time we used this stuff i had my doubts but it was very assuring works great
I have this mastic on my kitchen floor. I plan to just do a floating laminate but can I use this primer to seal the mastic before covering with the floating laminate and it be safe?
Good question
Thanks Isaac, nice tile job too👍🏻
Liking the new tile coach white shirts, looks nice.
Have good 1✌🏻
This is interesting because I just got off the phone with this company and they told me you cannot use prime and bond over existing adhesive and that it has to all be removed because you’re only as strong as what you’re sticking to and my tile floor won’t last if I go right over black mastic
Can you use this over acrylic latex paint that is several years old and well-adhered to the wall (it ain't coming off!)?
We use razorblades scrapers first together ant loose adhesive off then use mapei eco prim grip which has a grit in it ;oops pretty much same as what you used and is dry in an hour ready for tile or Ditra. That is a pretty common scenario out here in the rust belt.
Isn’t that asbestos? In the Uk we most likely would think it was and they usually are on the back of the Lino tile too, although low risk but still would have got it tested and left alone and just screed over if it was asbestos
We tested ours. It had asbestos. Looked exactly like this. When researching what to do with it, all the articles I found said you need to prime first before screeding over. So I think this primer video is a great idea.
@@travismartin1915 I always assume it's asbestos because 9 times out of 10 it has been.
What's the going rate for a job like this?
I use the Mapei version of this. You can tell when tile was placed on top of the cutback because they sound hollow when you tap on them. The primer is very easy and simple! Thanks Isaac!
Can you put that directly on top of linoleum sheet flooring, or do you have to pull up the whole floor?
They also sound hollow when they're not installed properly... thinset skinned over, failed to back-butter, etc. One thing about tile over cutback though, is it's easy to remove!
@@brianschrier6193 You have to pull up the old floor. The product is applied to the black cutback adhesive.
So I can just roll on the primer and then apply thinset and tile it. Without adding an uncoupling membrane?
I removed old hardwood floor for LVT. I noticed after removing the hardwood floor that there is a vinyl floor beneath it. There is a significant amount of hardwood floor adhesive left on top of the vinyl floor. Do you think I can use this product to smooth the vinyl surface? Thanks
Great video im having issues removing tile adhesive off a basement concrete slab...can i use this product right over it and tile using ceramic? Will it really bond to thin set?
I used to work for a union tile shop in Chicago and delivered to all the job sites. Laticrete was a big one they used to always use. All the tile at Soldier Field and Palmer House was most likely Laticrete to set the tile with
What shop?
@@meetstepsisalcoholicdouche6167 Bourbon
Weird but cool vibe on this one with coach seeming like he’s flyin solo there
Thanks. This video probably just saved me a grand or so!
This Laticrete product says not to use over asbestos. PerfectPrimer is the one which is designed for asbestos. Not sure any of this matters at the end but just saying that black adhesive likely had asbestos in it.
I didn’t see you try to peal at it or pick at it with a scraper or a razor blade?
Hi can you send some pictures of my bathroom I need some help with renovation
Will this work with sticky adhesive tile for a cheap route? But tried scraping old glue off and it's hectic in a room I'm doing. Or do I have to do like different tile to use the prime and bond
80s adhesive made with asbestos, Usually people just grind the floor down until they get a smooth, uniform substrate. I’m glad there’s other ways to go about doing a tile job over this stuff. Laticrete should really sponsor isaac at this point lol
He doesn't take sponsors to be unbiased.
@@daltonlopez4623 it’s called sarcasm
@@triplebeamdreaminful Yeahhh I think you gotta work on that “sarcasm” then 😂 Your last statement is easily taken more serious than sarcastic
@@yamutha6157 okay “ya mutha” 😂😂😂
@@daltonlopez4623 Flo fx
This video is just awesome!!
I love remedies like this.
Damn wish I knew about this years ago... Anyone know if you can set tile over epoxy pebbletech floors and if this product could be usefull for that? my old boss had me tile over one 5 years ago and as far as I know it never failed, well I have another job coming up in a few weeks over one.
Cutback is asphalt based so treat like going over a hot mop.
Is this product water sensitive like the redgaurd version?
@TileCoach if figure the Rubi DT 180 Evolution is probably discontinued, but is it any good getting one secondhand for cheap?
Will the prime n bond take away odor? I feel like our adhesive under the old tile smells terrible
I used it recently for this black mastic that was under asbestos vinyl, worked pretty well I used two coats
Can this be used on a concrete porch outside that is covered and screened?
Do you need uncoupling membrane?
Would this work for tiling over old carpet adhesive on concrete floors?
depends on what the subfloor is i imagine
I think we need an adhesion test
Can you confirm this is a concrete slab?
Any follow-up?
Did you touch the side of that saw blade or did it just look like it from the camera angle 👀?!
It was probably a one-tooth saw blade.
He was wetting the sides.
What's the name of that saw? Looks just like the Ridgid. Great little saws!
From the spec sheet: "When bonding to cutback adhesive or other adhesive
residue. Adhesive residue must be wet-scraped to the
finish of the concrete leaving only the transparent
staining from the adhesive. Do not use adhesive
removers, solvents or other chemicals that may
penetrate into the concrete."
Can you epoxy over that bond
Hi, been looking at uncoupling membranes. Was being steered to Blanke Permat because the claim is that it adds substantial strength to the floor in using the mat. Nowhere have I seen any comparison tests on crack isolation or strength claims. Loved your tests on grouts ,very surprising. Plenty of people using these uncoupling membranes but no comparisons.
Saw Sal DiBasi's endorsement of Blanke Permat. We may all be surprised in a real life comparison of products in tests.
Tx. Good tip..it makes a nice service to set on aswell
Make sure when you do this you always start at the door and work your way into the room.
The tiles are still going to get loose even with that primer after a year or two
If Laticrete guy said it would work . I will try get ahf if some for a very small bthrm and then check it with mallet in a week.
Oh I hate that stuff! I have used a razor floor scraper and a respirator when removing. Old 70’s houses are full of fun 😏
Mine was built in 1960. I popped all the tiles off in one bathroom. Tiles are still on the 1/2 bath floor
Wish I knew about this stuff, ended up grinding the floor flat and smooth
Often this stuff was mixed with asbestos. I hope you wore significant protective gear. When I dealt with it, I did the primer method (different company's product).
@@travismartin1915 sigh, people don't usually think but that stuff is so dangerous
Nice tip. 👍
Have you seen Alex Chappel's bathroom build?
Remodelling a Bathroom from Scratch! th-cam.com/video/vjK0F_KD02k/w-d-xo.html
How To Properly Waterproof a Bathroom! th-cam.com/video/NN9vAhUXG4o/w-d-xo.html
Apparently, that is the way it is done in Norway.
Actually that cut back glue has asbestos in it
Where do you suggest to buy shower head and fixtures? Remember you saying big box stores are cheap
Do not install over any substrates, cutback adhesive, or other adhesive residue
containing asbestos. Always verify it does not contain asbestos. I just copied and pasted from the Litictete site odf
Great vid. Stabila please
Why would you? The stuff can be removed with vegetable oil...
1/4" cement board set in thinnest screw it down and go
Believe me you have to remove the cut back the only way
That's asbestos bro
Don’t know unless you test it
Asbestos mastic. Nice.
Should be tested for asbestos
Awesome
you could’ve just taken a a drywall power scraper with a fresh blade to it , if you didn’t want to spend money on primer
He didn't want to make a mess and that probably has asbestos in it
Ceresit CT19
Ah another option.
333+non modified thin set slurry coat
bucket of weldbond.
Asbestos
That cut back glue is cancerous
Asbestos
And the former tiles were flex tiles, even more asbestos.
Sweet I’m the first one