Dave’s grinding out this video with the enthusiasm of used car salesman who’s boss jerks him around with his commissions, but still has three kids to feed. Hang in there Dave!
In 1936 Poland has an ability to stack 4(?) autocannons onto their fighter thanks to historical power of MG FF and PZL P24. Sadly Poland has no industry to do anything with that ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
For the US specifically, i think it's worth going for Heavy Fighters: if you research the Improved Medium Airframe at the start of 1940 or just before, and then grab the Escort Fighters focus, you can boost research speed enough to unlock Advanced Medium aircraft by early 1941. Considering the massive airzones the US needs to cover, having that extra range is a huge bonus
The late game "I've already won planes" aren't always "I've already won", especially in mods. I played a KR game as Japan that took forever as the final battle was an apocalyptic struggle against a united German lead Europe that had conquered Russia and the France/UK Syndicalism faction, I had to completely neuter their outside resource production with invasions, and take back all of Africa, clear them out of Asia to surround them, takeover Eastern Russia then get stopped by hordes of units + poor supply and only after making over 300 factories on fighters and having a year long struggle to win air dominance was I finally able to start dropping nukes on airfields and outproduce them.
I have been playing minor nations lately and the great thing about air is that they can make a large impact on a budget. Even 3 military factories each invested on fighters and CAS can give you a powerful Air Force. I always put research on it.
If I unlock rocket rails and put them on my fighter, existing fighter groups will not upgrade to the new plane. This is annoying, and presumably happens because the new plane and old plane now have different missions it can do. I wish there was a button where you could change the plane type a squadron uses. As is I have to delete the old fighter squadron, losing all its exp, and create a new one with the new plane.
going battlefield support and putting a rocket rail in the first slot will give you cas that can beat any fighters thanks for the percentage boosts (while also harassing enemy ground troops)
I know you're probably sick to death of people asking for tutorials like this, but for someone who is bad at the game, having an explanation of the stats and how to balance them is really helpful. Maybe navy next?
The current meta for fighters goes like this Air defence>Air attack>Agility. So the best design will be the one that can achieve the most air defence, followed by air attack. My go to 1940 fighter design is 2xQuad HMGs, 1xQuad LMGs, single engine III, drop tanks, self sealing fuel tanks, armor. This designs is superior to any other, especially when you stack your MIOS.
I know some time passed, but I want ask a question, why not to put 2x Cannon II, they have just a little bit more weight than 4x HMG, but dealing much more dmg
I always upgrade the starting Me109 fighter as i research new air tech and keep them on intercept missions, high agility, high air attack and decent defense
@JosTheMan1 I know it's just funny to see Dace try to do things with navy. I had just watched is last usa game where he lost to Japan a bunch because he forgot planes on his carriers
It depends, the scout planes do get shot en route when you are trying to look where enemies are hiding their troops without fighter support. Medium airframe is great for the heavy fighters, but the ic cost is a good bit higher so should have proper industry to pump those out. Very useful for large air zones. Heavy airframes are mainly great for the long range naval bombers, i have done them as a proper strategic bomber few times but the amount of fighters you need to produce to stop them being shot en route is way too high sadly. These days i make those long range naval bombers and attach recon camera on those, or on to the heavy fighters. There is one great use for proper scout planes though, and thats with the naval superiority. Feels quite common being stuck in like 47% naval superiority, but ditching out fleet of scout planes on naval patrol should tip you over the 50% :)
wait i'm a bit confused here: is it actually better to make fighter-planes that do mainly CAS instead of making dedicated fighter- and CAS-planes? And if so, why?
Its better for your fighters to focus on destroying enemy airforce all the time than to both deal with air and ground forces. Also if enemy has high Air attack in divisions they can decimate your CAS forces. Multi role fighters are expensive, imagine making the best fighter just for it to die in a random skirmish
In AAT, cannons were buffed; the agility penalty was significantly reduced, and cannon is now the best weapon on fighters (from testing). A proven design. Cannon has a very high air attack value, which makes it excel against both fighters and support aircraft. Self-sealing and armor plates add air defense. Note that the range can be a problem outside of Europe. In Europe, the range is large enough.
Mr. feedback, what is the point of adding CAS damage to a fighter. Because from what I've seen, you can't make a fighter do both air superiority and CAS missions.
Flexibility. When you have max air superiority you giving limited support to troops on the ground. Also more air superiority over 100% doesn't give you any more bonuses. Some more fighters won't help you. More CAS will
I honestly really like medium plane fighters. They cost much more but they destroy everything and you don't have to worry about the range from the beginning.
I like them for fighting in Asia or the Pacific (so USA, Japan, USSR if you're fighting over there) but other than that small airframe fighters get the job done better.
@@FeedbackIRL I used fighters with extended fuel tanks for the first time after listening to you, it was perfect. My volunteneers ensured air superiotirty in finland and China while in real war completely covered every sector I needed. They didnt died off in masses as I expected too.
Thanks for the guide. I’m still confused about how to best make a plane with recon. Naval bombers are another type I need clarification on. Lastly, are maritime patrol planes just naval bombers with recon equipment?
Note on jet engine, the earliest jet planes were developped by Germany but those were attrocious and at some point you could easily win a one on one fight against an early jet fighter Their main ability was obviously their speed but ironically that doesn't allow them much range since the faster you go, the more fuel you burn, and you don't have a lot of fuel to start with
I love playing Mexico and conquering South America. Any thoughts on a good set up for this? I usually go medium fighters and tactical bombers cause range. You might have a better idea.
I know you just drove home the importance of specializing, but fighting in North Africa as italy, with limited industry and the need for a tank killer as well as fighting off the RAF, is there a case to be made for a generalist?
heavy fighters, USA? i use the combo bc the heavy fighters have range to match the strat bombers. was wondering if there is an optimal way to do these.
--TIMESTAMPS--
00:00 Intro
00:07 1936 fighter
00:56 1939 fighter
02:40 1940 fighter
05:38 1944 fighter
08:56 Modern fighter
11:38 MIO guide
13:00 Officer core guide
14:16 Doctrine guide
15:16 Advisor guide
16:07 Outro
You look extremely tired.
Can you do the other forms of planes too. Including wether or not to build tac bombers or strat bombers
Sure
Dave’s grinding out this video with the enthusiasm of used car salesman who’s boss jerks him around with his commissions, but still has three kids to feed. Hang in there Dave!
BRUV, I got kids to feed
@@FeedbackIRL who's the father?
@@bigpoppa1234The milkman
是，我感覺得到，一個研究到徹底導致完全失去興致的聲音
Mentioning that you never really get to have a late air war is why I really wish Hoi4 had a vanilla 1944 scenario, like Hoi2 did.
TRUEEE
In 1936 Poland has an ability to stack 4(?) autocannons onto their fighter thanks to historical power of MG FF and PZL P24. Sadly Poland has no industry to do anything with that ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Cannons aren't worth for a dog fighting fighter. Too expensive and don't perform as well
Yes, can we get a vid showcasing the strengths of medium and/or heavy aircraft?
Sure
Please
For the US specifically, i think it's worth going for Heavy Fighters: if you research the Improved Medium Airframe at the start of 1940 or just before, and then grab the Escort Fighters focus, you can boost research speed enough to unlock Advanced Medium aircraft by early 1941. Considering the massive airzones the US needs to cover, having that extra range is a huge bonus
The late game "I've already won planes" aren't always "I've already won", especially in mods. I played a KR game as Japan that took forever as the final battle was an apocalyptic struggle against a united German lead Europe that had conquered Russia and the France/UK Syndicalism faction, I had to completely neuter their outside resource production with invasions, and take back all of Africa, clear them out of Asia to surround them, takeover Eastern Russia then get stopped by hordes of units + poor supply and only after making over 300 factories on fighters and having a year long struggle to win air dominance was I finally able to start dropping nukes on airfields and outproduce them.
I have been playing minor nations lately and the great thing about air is that they can make a large impact on a budget. Even 3 military factories each invested on fighters and CAS can give you a powerful Air Force. I always put research on it.
If I unlock rocket rails and put them on my fighter, existing fighter groups will not upgrade to the new plane. This is annoying, and presumably happens because the new plane and old plane now have different missions it can do. I wish there was a button where you could change the plane type a squadron uses. As is I have to delete the old fighter squadron, losing all its exp, and create a new one with the new plane.
going battlefield support and putting a rocket rail in the first slot will give you cas that can beat any fighters thanks for the percentage boosts (while also harassing enemy ground troops)
It works if you get the numbers. However the first few wars will the costly
Germany cas next please!
CAS Japan is coming
@@FeedbackIRLNo. not German cas. German cats 🐱. Panthers, leopards, tigers, lions, pumas.
I know you're probably sick to death of people asking for tutorials like this, but for someone who is bad at the game, having an explanation of the stats and how to balance them is really helpful. Maybe navy next?
Bombers (for bombing enemy factories, supply hubs and railways) as Britain and the USSR.
TAC UK sounds fun
Glad to see for once my own conclusions mirror Feedbacks!
The current meta for fighters goes like this Air defence>Air attack>Agility. So the best design will be the one that can achieve the most air defence, followed by air attack. My go to 1940 fighter design is 2xQuad HMGs, 1xQuad LMGs, single engine III, drop tanks, self sealing fuel tanks, armor. This designs is superior to any other, especially when you stack your MIOS.
what is mios?
I know some time passed, but I want ask a question, why not to put 2x Cannon II, they have just a little bit more weight than 4x HMG, but dealing much more dmg
This video is really good. Thanks for it!
If I have to wonder about something I'd like to see what kind of CAS would you do as Sweden.
I always upgrade the starting Me109 fighter as i research new air tech and keep them on intercept missions, high agility, high air attack and decent defense
What about carrier planes? Beyond just remembering to put them on the carrier
On carriers you just want to max out the stats, range does not matter as they are enclosed in the naval battles. Afaik
@@JosTheMan1Dive and torpedo bombers can get drop tanks to give high efficiency Air support to landings and coastal fightings.
@JosTheMan1 I know it's just funny to see Dace try to do things with navy. I had just watched is last usa game where he lost to Japan a bunch because he forgot planes on his carriers
For Japan it works due to the buffs they get. Everyone else. NOPE
If you're doing navy, sure?
This may be a silly question but does the radar that gives a perm 20% night fighting bonus worth it?
No medium or heavy airframe guide ? Also, a scout plane, is it worth it ?
It depends, the scout planes do get shot en route when you are trying to look where enemies are hiding their troops without fighter support. Medium airframe is great for the heavy fighters, but the ic cost is a good bit higher so should have proper industry to pump those out. Very useful for large air zones. Heavy airframes are mainly great for the long range naval bombers, i have done them as a proper strategic bomber few times but the amount of fighters you need to produce to stop them being shot en route is way too high sadly. These days i make those long range naval bombers and attach recon camera on those, or on to the heavy fighters. There is one great use for proper scout planes though, and thats with the naval superiority. Feels quite common being stuck in like 47% naval superiority, but ditching out fleet of scout planes on naval patrol should tip you over the 50% :)
This video was a focus on fighters. We can do TAC or STRATS on another video
wait i'm a bit confused here:
is it actually better to make fighter-planes that do mainly CAS instead of making dedicated fighter- and CAS-planes?
And if so, why?
Better make them seperated, but after you have already won the airwar its just easier to combine them
Its better for your fighters to focus on destroying enemy airforce all the time than to both deal with air and ground forces. Also if enemy has high Air attack in divisions they can decimate your CAS forces. Multi role fighters are expensive, imagine making the best fighter just for it to die in a random skirmish
Its all about the doctrine you select. At the end of the video I talk about the buffs from the doctrine paths
For the Modern air plane I mostly use the most advanced regular engine instead of the jet engine.
TRUE it has more thrust so you can fit more modules
In AAT, cannons were buffed; the agility penalty was significantly reduced, and cannon is now the best weapon on fighters (from testing).
A proven design. Cannon has a very high air attack value, which makes it excel against both fighters and support aircraft. Self-sealing and armor plates add air defense. Note that the range can be a problem outside of Europe. In Europe, the range is large enough.
Fighters for Poland please. I'm still trying to figure out is it possible to play Poland with both planes and tanks effectively
I'm interested in the numbers of strat bombing. Is it even viable?
Btw: Thanks for the vids. I really dig these deep dives!
so, the best thing you can do with the cannons in 1939... is to just strap em to Medium planes to make just rly tanky Interceptors?
Mr. feedback, what is the point of adding CAS damage to a fighter. Because from what I've seen, you can't make a fighter do both air superiority and CAS missions.
Flexibility. When you have max air superiority you giving limited support to troops on the ground.
Also more air superiority over 100% doesn't give you any more bonuses. Some more fighters won't help you. More CAS will
I honestly really like medium plane fighters. They cost much more but they destroy everything and you don't have to worry about the range from the beginning.
I like them for fighting in Asia or the Pacific (so USA, Japan, USSR if you're fighting over there) but other than that small airframe fighters get the job done better.
I id too as Japan. Then I had to "fight" Spitfires. I could NOT fight the spitfires
After some patches medium planes are just not as good as well built small ones.
Range is a biggie
@@FeedbackIRL I used fighters with extended fuel tanks for the first time after listening to you, it was perfect. My volunteneers ensured air superiotirty in finland and China while in real war completely covered every sector I needed. They didnt died off in masses as I expected too.
Thanks for the guide. I’m still confused about how to best make a plane with recon. Naval bombers are another type I need clarification on. Lastly, are maritime patrol planes just naval bombers with recon equipment?
I'll do more videos on other plane types
Designs for France and answer the question, is better make a cas and a fighter or make a multi role plane.
True. However this was a focus on fighters
Why not make dedicated CAS planes and just downsizing the Fighter production after you won the air war?
I know it's probably a niche but is there any possibility to find old template videos from before the changes to air and tanks. (No DLC Pleb)
Note on jet engine, the earliest jet planes were developped by Germany but those were attrocious and at some point you could easily win a one on one fight against an early jet fighter
Their main ability was obviously their speed but ironically that doesn't allow them much range since the faster you go, the more fuel you burn, and you don't have a lot of fuel to start with
For a tiny boost for speed and 5% boost to agility, I don't think jet engines are worth it
@@FeedbackIRL They are obviously not, only late jet engines (post-1950) are worth but that's clearly out of hoi4's time span
I love playing Mexico and conquering South America. Any thoughts on a good set up for this? I usually go medium fighters and tactical bombers cause range. You might have a better idea.
Range and numbers due to low mil count. Non-Strategic Material Usage a must
I know you just drove home the importance of specializing, but fighting in North Africa as italy, with limited industry and the need for a tank killer as well as fighting off the RAF, is there a case to be made for a generalist?
What's a generalist? A multirole?
@@FeedbackIRL yes. Something for fighters and ground attack.
Agreed if you can keep the cost down. Big factor for winning dog fights is cost effectiveness. Which is tough if the plane is too expensive
It pains me to see a turret on a fighter... how about a long range large naval bomber, with perhaps Italy (a Spaghetti PBY)?
LARP ruined. Respect the turret spitfire 🐐
I'm never built long-range patrol aircraft. I could give it a go
is this the best for close air support ok tyvm
Shit I didn't realise there was an auto upgrade button. Thanks
I would like to see a USA fighter and Carrier Fighter guide
Range improves efficiency, right?
Yes if you're not already at 100%
I dont understand plane templetes so I will save this guide
Save for later
heavy fighters, USA? i use the combo bc the heavy fighters have range to match the strat bombers. was wondering if there is an optimal way to do these.
Romania, ground attack
IS THAT A THREAT?
@@FeedbackIRL
a challenge
France - CAS & Fighters seperate?
Your 1936 fighter is not bad, but if you would just put 2 canons, this one is much better.
Cannons don't trade as effectively vs non cannon fighters. Less about stats more about cost effectiveness
What exactly is power projection?
Impact on air superiority. Green/red bar at the top of the air battle
put fuel tanks on your planes is my #1 advice, anywhere away from western europe and its so good
True! All depends on where you're fighting in the world
Let's see if this still works:
Albania, Heavy Bomber
1936 CAS - Netherlands
Sure
If i am playing against players? Or expert ai who crafts very advance models?
What expert ai?
@@FeedbackIRL the mod expert ai
Netherlands - Naval Bombers ;)
Germany (or whatever) CAS next if you can, please
讓我說的話，引擎三之前甚麼都做不了，引擎三之後甚麼都能做
單引擎戰鬥機，說來好笑 就是如此，其實防禦不重要 飛機沒有這麼簡單被打下來、也沒有這麼厚到 打不下來，機動性才是生存的關鍵
看德國的飛機公司，老實講很多有加成機動性的，也就是說 跟AI對戰的時候 有加成所以不會低於他們， 使用一組機砲最大化傷害比重機槍好(12:20 德國公司上方的加成就有3個、剩下的加攻擊力也是綽綽有餘)
至於地面支援火力，就交給支援機去做就好，不需要打腫臉充胖子
Yes?!
Range is good for the pacific
Poland and everything Poland….tanks, planes, and (god help us) ships
Tannu Tuva best plane
F
Can you do a guide for the USSR?
Medium fighters are unstoppable.
Best plane pog
POG
Poland plane? (I guess just no planes and instead aa)
We can always dream :/
USA Heavy Fighters plz
japan naval bombers vs cas with dive brakes
You never took agility into consideration.
Oh I 100% did
The fact that you are using jet engines shows me, that you are not qualified to make any guide on planes
So I’m worse than ai I lost around 50 vs around 12 enemies
These planes need some serious work bro, they are far from the best
I prefer previous video XD
Which 1 was that?
Terima kasih, Tuhan memberkati Anda dengan pengetahuan Anda :V
First?
IM ALWAYS FIRST!
Feedback for feedback, we have had the roic alias for research_on_the_icon_click since bba i think ;)
Best console command ;)