The bass module is a dutch invention by 2 brothers that sold their invention to Sonos for €100.000 Euro’s. It supposed to be a revolution in how bass drivers we have known to date work. Let’s see what the future brings for this new way bass drivers are build.
I think I will keep my gym one. I still get smiles. Every time. I listen to her with my GEN three sub and a pair of Sonos fives along with my UB 9000 Panasonic 4K Blu-ray player.!👍
I've been eyeing the Sonos Arc Ultra for a while, and the sound test video has finally pushed me over the edge! As always, I love the Sonos TH-cam videos you guys put out and the information in the video was also super helpful. I hope the Ultra doesn't disappoint!! P.S please stop putting Sonos videos out as it's not healthy for my bank balance 😂
Well, it was you guys that persuaded me to upgrade to the Sonos Arc. I've now got two Era 300's and a Sonos Sub. My sound experience with this set up is phenomenal. I won't be upgrading for a long time to come. Sonos Arc Ultra looks awesome but not for me.
I have the same setup as you and dis upgrade to the Ultra, it is a nice upgrade it's an upgrade worth the $300 difference between and Arc and an Arc ultra. In my case I was needing to move the Arc to a new area, I was lucky that this came out. So, if you're not fortunate enough to upgrade for a valid reason other than wanting to, you're all good.
Awesome. You can actually hear a significant difference in the demo. I wonder if an arc Ultra + a sub mini would sound any different then with the ultra alone (i have a Beam gen 2 and a Sub Mini atm)
Exactly in the same boat. Really want the Arc ultra after watching this because we struggle with the dialogue in some movies and often have to resort to sub titles which I hate!
I have the Arc Ultra paired with a sub mini & mann it sounds amazing it def makes a difference than just having the arc ultra alone by itself, big difference i might add, it sounds like a full big sub.
@@jrmcdonald821same here! I think if one pairs the arc ultra with a sub mini, then really having the bigger sub is overkill. That’s my opinion. The arc with the sub mini sounds incredibly loud, and fills a large room without any issue, and you save yourself some $
Trueplay (both versions) and speech enhancement are both bugged. This has been confirmed by sonos themselves as I've had several conversations with them regarding atmos music playback via my appletv 4k, in a nutshell it sounds horrendous. They've assured me that their engineers are working on a fix but currently have no eta. Disappointing is an understatement considering my old arc was, for the most part, flawless. This is paired with 2 era 300's and a sub mini. Hopefully they'll sort it soon.
@@JoseUben I was hoping it had fixed it I done the app update I'll wait until tomorrow to run the advanced trueplay again hopefully I can hear a difference between low/med & high. Movies in atmos sounded insane which is why I was taken aback by how bad atmos music was it was so bad it was like listening to an instrumental and this was with my trusted atmos tracks, fingers crossed for further updates/improvements.
I had a full arc system with 2 era 300 and a sub 3, I have upgraded to the Ultra and I like the wider soundstage but the sound is about 15/20 procent better. Really would not recommend upgrading unless you have to much money 😂
Got the full set up with ultra 2 sub 4 and era 300 this is mind-blowing good. Coming from Ambeo max with extra sub and a Samsung 990b, this is much, much better.😁 Thanks for the review
I feel there is still some improvement that can be done between balancing the bass in the Ultra and Sub as Ultra is doing a lot more bass than I think is needed with a sub, but overall I’m very happy with upgrading to the Ultra.
Can you review Sony's Theatre Bar 9? Would like to know how it stacks up against the Ultra, as well as if the Acoustic Centre Sync feature makes it worth a purchase over the competition (for owners of compatible Sony TVs).
We have a Beam gen 1, 2 Ones (rear) and a sub mini. How much does it make sense to upgrade just the beam? I get that it'll be a great upgrade in itself - but does the mini become pointless with the new base in the ultra, and therefore we should consider to a full sub? And are Era1/300 also "necessary"? Honestly asking if I can upgrade gradually with and it still makes sense. Changing it all is quite steep 😅
I couldn’t agree more with your comment on turning up and down the sound on the original arc. I had to do that all the time and now can keep the sound the same with the Ultra due to the better dialog. I upgraded from Arc to Ultra and have two 300s and G3 Sub. Ultra is much better in that setup.
Can I ask what you did with your original Arc? I have an Arc and it really does my head in with the volume issues relating to dialogue vs other noises (to the point that we just put on subtitles). I am tempted to upgrade, and Sonos have given me upgrade discount.
I had the same issue where turning sound up to 50 and down to 40 during movies. With the Ultra, I am very comfortable with a movie like experience at 33 and can hear dialog cleary while still getting punch of action scenes. I also used Sonos upgrade credit for purchase and picked up at local Best Buy same day. I’m Putting the old Arc with old SL Ones in another room that we don’t use as often.
Definitely looking to upgrade my whole system… (Beam Gen 1 / Solos / Sub Mini) and this has me intrigued… and the Sonos upgrade incentives really sound interesting.
Thank you for your review. At this time I have an « old school « Sony SA ST 5000 set up ( more than 4 years ). Which seems more feasible : Arc Ultra or Samsung ?!?!
Would you discuss the concerns (or not) consumers should have when (if) buying from Sonos? Given their practice of forced generational upgrades through their management app... I'm trying to decide between the Sont Bravia Theatre Quad and a similarly priced Sonos setup with Era 300's and a Sub gen. 4.
I have two Era 300's and they are extremely good for playing music in the lounge which is a priority for me. I wonder if a Arc ultra connected to the two eras as rears would be better overall sound quality for music with the bonus of much better sound for movies/tv. Any feedback appreciated?
I have Sonos Arc + Era 300 and dual sub (Gen 3 + Gen 2). With Ultra I will need to give up the older sub. Would an upgrade in my set up still a 30-40% improvement? Or more like 10-20%? Thank you
I replaced the arc with the arc ultra and dolby atmos seems much better to me. It has often happened that I thought there was someone else in the apartment, even though it was only in the film.
The Samsung Q990D is on sale for under £900 in the UK, which comes with a sub & 2 surround speakers. If upgrading from the Sonos Beam (gen 1), what would you recommend - Sonos Arc Ultra only, or Samsung Q990D?
100% I tried this setup before getting the ultra. The ultra is quite impressive with bass output and blows the HomePods out of the water in all around performance!
Hey Louie , Ive been waiting for this review & as usual you do not disappoint , However I have a question or 2 , First do you have 1 on demo in your awesome showroom ? you know I love to come for a demo , second I have 2 x subs 1 Gen 2 & the second which I purchased from you guys a Gen 3 I think im right in thinking my Gen 2 would NOT be compatible with the ULTRA ? so it means for me I would also have to purchase a Gen 4 - As I do love my twin sub set up ! Last question .... the biggest issue I have purchasing this ULTRA is the app , other you tube videos have said it takes over 2.5 hours to fully get the whole system up & running as a home theatre system with the ERA300's as rears which you know I have [ again purchased from you ] In an ideal word I'd like you to come & set the whole system up for me then I would come & purchase the Ultra & Gen 4 sub in a heart beat ! - Thanks again for another great video , look forward to all the others you have coming .
Great review ! Thx a lot for this one. 💯. I dont have any sonos devices but i just keep an eye on it . Maybe i will start with some era 100 x2 or Era 300 and after add the arc Ultra.
I own beam gen 2 and bookshelf gen 1 speakers as rears . Confused between upgrading to arc or arc ultra. If I upgrade to ultra then I might loose the compatibility to the bookshelf speakers. Has anyone actually tried to connect to arc ultra with gen 1. That would help me lot with my purchasing decision
Went for grouping 2 sonos sl ones put them under old arc facing upwards imitating (sound motion) and eras 300 as surround. Saved me self 1000 quid 😅 works for me. One thing, though, is that volume must be all at the same level😅
Hi there! 👋🏻 I’m looking for a video or some advice on how to get the most out of my Arc Ultra + 2x Era 100 speakers when they’re set up as surround the 100s. The 100s don’t seem to do much, and I can’t really adjust how immersive I want to feel. So, for now, I’ve just turned off the surround setting to get the full potential of the three of them. Any advice or is this something that hasn’t been solved yet because this Arc Ultra is new? Thanks a bunch!
Can I connect this to the HGIMI Horizon Ultra 4K projector via Bluetooth ? No direct wires. Cleaner set up but understand quality might not be perfect ? Any thoughts ? Thanks
will the ARC ULTRA sound even better with a SUB MINI and the ERA 100's ? would i even notice the difference ? i already ordered and received the sub Mini and ERA 100's my room is approx. 12 x 12 feet with 7.5 foot ceiling i got the BEAM 2 but changed my mind and wanna upgrade to the ARC ULTRA .... BEAM 2 is still in the box please let me know what you think thx also i intend to add the ERA 300's down the road possibly hoping the 100's will do in my room for now cheers from Canada another question should i not even open the Sub Mini box and just send it back and order the GEN 4 Sub ? i am not a bass head so as long as the mini adds some i would be fine i think not sure what to do
Let’s say you already had the ultra… then you’d buy a sub… point is your still buys a sub regardless of the arc/ultra… get sub then later get the ultra if you need it… Sub then Sonos 300s. Then an ultra if you really need
I would just upgrade the Arc Ultra if you have a med-large TV area, your TV is +55 inches, and has eArc HDMI (the Arc Ultra might look too big and be wider than the TV if 50 inches or less). The Beam Gen 2 can be moved to the master bedroom or spare room. You can later upgrade the One SL to Era 100/300, move the extra One SLs to the Beam, or use the One SLs stand alone in other rooms.
@@ALKALINE75 I would definitely upgrade something else instead (Like your TV). Unpopular opinion, but maybe I would rather have the so os arc ultra with a sub vs your setup.
I doubt it - I have the same setup on my smaller TV in the living room, and it's really great in that space. I actually prefer it to my Arc + 2 Era300's + 2 Sub Gen 3's in the media room for some types of content.
I own an Arc and do not see a compelling case to upgrade. The improvement seems significant, but incremental. If I were to spend $$$ on Sonos products, it would be to upgrade my surrounds from the Sonos One to the Era 300s.
Yes that's correct. If you are planning on using dual subs for the arc ultra both subs either have to be gen 3s, Gen 4's or one of each. If you have one sub the ultra can connect to any of the Gen 1, 2, 3, 4.
Agreed. I own both Arc original and Beam Gen 2. While the arc is obviously putting out a wider soundstage, and about 10% louder. It’s severely tinny sounding by nature. There’s literally zero base output there. Folks might appreciate the more centralized sound the Beam Gen 2 offers, as it better focuses what you’re hearing as coming directly from the TV. It’s beating Arc in dialogue clarity, and low bitrate music streaming services play back all day, and twice on Sunday thanks to having better mid range punch. According to Peter Pee, Arc Ultra is only “noticeably” louder than Arc original. Reports are also coming back that the new little sound motion sub in the bar is fairly gimmicky, and overhyped. I mean anyone spending this kind of money on a bar is clearly going to add a sub or two anyway. Taking all this into consideration, Is it really worth double the cost over the beam 2, for about a 20 or 30% improvement in sound? I guess it depends if money is no object, or not. I will say that anyone running a TV with a Beam Gen 2, sub mini, and a pair of era 100’s is going to have a great sounding room for the price point. It’s the best bang for buck option by far. If you’re into gimmicky bouncing signals off ceiling Atmos, then go for the spacial audio package. However, that being said, I personally prefer the sound of 5s as rear surrounds over the 300s. They offer far better punch, and round out the setup for music playback much more than the tinny, treble heavy - wide sounding 300’s do.
I stuck with the Beam Gen 2, Gen 3 sub, and One SLs in my smaller office. Went with the Arc Ultra (upgraded from the v1 Arc), dual Gen 3 subs, and Fives in Great room 3X the size of the office. Both sound equally well balanced and fill the rooms with Dolby/Atmos audio without much variation in quality. Beam/sub can work in a small/med space and you have the option to add Symfonisk/One SL/Era 100 to improve the sound profile later down the road.
Was really interested in the new Arc but I’m going for a traditional 5.1 AVR solution instead. Getting the full Sonos package will be more expensive with a couple of hundred bucks compared to the package I’m looking at. 😱
I replaced my Arc with an Arc Ultra. I moved my Arc to another room. I’ve noticed the audio decoding on Netflix does not work properly. 5.1 on several shows has decoding issues where the music on a show is very low or missing. For example, the music is Derry Girls in many scenes is missing or very low. I don’t get this issue on Arc. The only way to work around the problem on Netflix is change audio to stereo. All the other streaming services seem to work fine. Lord of the rings on Prime for example sounds amazing. Sonos support could not help, telling me to contact Netflix. Not great. My setup is Arc Ultra, sub 4, sub 3, 2x Era300
It's not. Home theater in a box companies always label drivers as individual speakers to make it sound better than they are. Like if I buy a pair or tower speakers that each have 4 mids and 1 tweeter that's a total of 10 drivers but it's still only 2 speakers. And you don't get to add a .1 just because they play down to 70Hz either lol. I believe the channels the arc gives you are centre, 2 sides (which won't actually be at the sides of your TV if your TV is wider than the arc), 2 front Atmos via sound bouncing and 2 sides via sound bouncing also. That's still 7 channels in one bar but it's not 9.1.4 it's 5.0.2. That's still impressive for a single soundbar solution though.
How do get the cables from the soundbar to the tv behind if it is wall mount? Do you have a picture? I have power,hdmi, rf antenne that goes behind the soundbar up to my tv today. Thx
No not even close you could literally buy an entry level surround setup for the same price if not cheaper and then upgrade for better speakers as you see fit you're just stuck with what you got with a sound bar.
If you're using an individual sub any of the Gen 1, 2, 3, 4 will be able to connect to the Arc ultra. However, if you're doing dual subs you can only use a Gen 3 or Gen 4.
Yes, I swapped out my v1 Arc with the Arc Ultra and I had dual Gen 3 subs and Fives. I didn't have any issues with dialogue with v1 Arc+LG OLED 77C1 and noticed dialogue comes in even better with the Arc Ultra. Not 100% sure is the Arc Ultra bass module frequency responses are reduced with the sub(s)?
I've got Apple TV 4K and Samsung Frame 65 2023 with 1 HDMI eARC port. Will I get Dolby Atmos on this setup if I add Sonos Arc Ultra? Or do I need to have 2 eARC ports on TV?
If you connect the Apple TV to the HDMI 2.1 port (it might be labeled with 4k120hz), and the Sonos soundbar to the eARC port, you should get Atmos through.
@@kubiksoft Thanks! I can't really be perfectly sure if I got the right ports because tech specs on Samsung website is not great unfortunately. I will have to try I guess :D
They still haven't sorted all the problems created by the system upgrade. Why would I want to buy another piece of Sonos gear that I can't use all the features that I originally bought into?
@@AndrewB23 i don't want any wires at all a good friend has a ton of Sonos speakers for the last 10 years and has never had an issue he says i will chance it i think thx thought i appreciate your response
Are their any new wall mounts from supporting companies, for ULTRA coming that are extendable? I will be using my setup with Sim Rig and Samsungs 57" 32:9 monitor. Also, anyone else having crackle type distortion via the ULTRA - ACE mode?
Sonos already have an official Ultra mount available that fits properly - he's just pointing out you can use the original arc mount if you want, even though it sticks out a bit. Apparently there were bugs in the update before the most recent one (which just dropped a day or so ago) - so make sure you update your firmware & it should fix your crackle.
Hi , i have a old sonos playbase + 2 rear sonos play 1 for Surround . the arc ultra dosent work with rear play 1, so is it worth to buy sonos ultra arc and And give up with the rear speakers for now and buy only the ultra arc at this moment or to stay with the old Surround system ?
Thanks for the question, the playbase was a good product with great bass response, but I think I would now go with the standalone Arc. You will get a wide immersive soundstage with more detail especially on Atmos content and a also a better bass response with both movies & music. Let us know how you go 👍
I’m consideeing this Arc Ultra for my TV. Do you guys know that I can stream music to the unit directly without having to turn on TV? Just thinking for events that we only want the music to fill the room like parties etc 🤔
I tested music via Apple and tbh everything sounds awful, zero bass, vocal low down and tracks sounding like instrumentals. Downloaded Tidal and ran Trueplay again and massive improvement but my Gen 2 sub just isn’t giving me the same bass as my original arc
@@smarthomesoundsthanks! And this could be done without having to pair or turn on the device everytime I want to use right? I would like to have the same experience their Era 😊
Has anyone using the Sonos Ace with a Beam Gen 2 had to switch the Beam to use Wifi instead of Ethernet to get the ACE to work? My Audio swap would not work until I unplugged the ethernet from my Beam. Thx
I am genuinely disappointed with the surround sound of the Arc Ultra. Given all the marketing, Really expected to hear sounds above and behind me. But they just come from the soundbar really. Tested with PS5, Dolby Atmos content on Amazon Prime and with Apple Music. The sound quality is amazing, but the surround experience is mediocre. I will at least get Era 100s. Hopefully they will help
Why not support DTS/True-Hd/X, it is a premium soundbar and should support all formats, their explanation is somewhat unsatisfactory, having DTS support on the Samsung Q990 series which is cheaper than the ultimate set makes their explanation unacceptable.
Honestly I'm not entirely sure you're going to find a deal with the arc ultra on Black Friday. You're probably better off waiting 3 days after Christmas till January 5th where people are more likely to return items and stores have to sell them as open box deals.
When company thought they are right that where it backfire.we need all source support and HDMI. Sonus will be like Bose being left out company really have to listen to customer needs.
Sonos Arc Ultra soundbar does not have capabilities of playing DTS HD MA codec, so no good for my needs Big let down as DTS HD MA is main sound from most Blu-ray discs
Not worth the upgrade and the extra money for something minimal and the sound the difference is very little I have both Bose ultra and Sonos arc ultra the bose sound crisps and clear I’m sending the Sonos arc ultra back
Its really really disappointing that sonos haven't included DTS support and really really disappointing they haven't added an extra HDMI input so you can hook up other external devices and NO HDMI pass through??? i won't be buying it
I had this issue loads of times with both the arc and then the ultra the only thing I tried that seemed to work more consistently was switching hands I know it sounds strange but I think if you use the hand that's closest to the arc it seems to mess it up try switching it up and see if that works.
Also try not to "rub" your clothes when you do it and socks aswell. Sounds f*****g mad but it's worth a go maybe I was just lucky but all those things may help.
@@storytheshortythey're all over glorified tv speakers bud, buy a real surround setup for the same price or cheaper and blow every single one out of the water
If you spend this much money on a sound bar you're just dumb, you can buy an entry level surround setup or even a decent 2.1 set up that'll blow these over glorified tv speakers out of the water. Best part is you can upgrade later while you're stuck with whatever they give you. If you don't want a "big" receiver you can even get active speakers like the Klipsch nines that have an HDMI connection. Any A/V channel that actually suggested a sound bar at this price is literally just a shill that will like who pays them 😂.
I switched from a traditional AV receiver with a speaker setup to Sonos, and I couldn't be happier. It's easy to use and delivers great sound. I have the Arc Ultra with a subwoofer and Era 300 as surrounds, and it sounds incredible. No wires around
If you pay $1000 / £1000 for a complete 5:1 / 7:1 setup - then it will sound like total cr@p. You even mention Klipsch Nines which are £1500 for just stereo sound with nowhere near enough bass for home cinema style use, and have very poor performance with dialogue.
@@Joseph-sy8ep Yup! No wires on the floor or behind walls/ceilings, no large A/V cabinet you need to dust, no wired 12 inch sub vibrating the floor, ability to upgrade components as needed, integration with other Sonos speakers for whole house audio, easy to tune/adjust, and fantastic sound.
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The bass module is a dutch invention by 2 brothers that sold their invention to Sonos for €100.000 Euro’s. It supposed to be a revolution in how bass drivers we have known to date work. Let’s see what the future brings for this new way bass drivers are build.
They did amazing job...but they should ask way more money...but it's hard to deal with rich greedy companies.
@@biber9979 they got 100 million. It was on Dutch national TV, I think OP has made a typo.
I think I will keep my gym one. I still get smiles. Every time. I listen to her with my GEN three sub and a pair of Sonos fives along with my UB 9000 Panasonic 4K Blu-ray player.!👍
I've been eyeing the Sonos Arc Ultra for a while, and the sound test video has finally pushed me over the edge!
As always, I love the Sonos TH-cam videos you guys put out and the information in the video was also super helpful. I hope the Ultra doesn't disappoint!!
P.S please stop putting Sonos videos out as it's not healthy for my bank balance 😂
It's on my purchase in 2 weeks time. I know I will be blown away as I not updated a 100 pound soundbar since probably 15 years 😂
It just came out so no you haven’t stfu 🤡
Well, it was you guys that persuaded me to upgrade to the Sonos Arc. I've now got two Era 300's and a Sonos Sub. My sound experience with this set up is phenomenal. I won't be upgrading for a long time to come. Sonos Arc Ultra looks awesome but not for me.
I have the same setup as you and dis upgrade to the Ultra, it is a nice upgrade it's an upgrade worth the $300 difference between and Arc and an Arc ultra. In my case I was needing to move the Arc to a new area, I was lucky that this came out. So, if you're not fortunate enough to upgrade for a valid reason other than wanting to, you're all good.
The Arc Ultra is a good upgrade but you have a great system with the 300's & SUB so totally agree 🙂
Awesome. You can actually hear a significant difference in the demo. I wonder if an arc Ultra + a sub mini would sound any different then with the ultra alone (i have a Beam gen 2 and a Sub Mini atm)
Exactly in the same boat. Really want the Arc ultra after watching this because we struggle with the dialogue in some movies and often have to resort to sub titles which I hate!
I have the Arc Ultra paired with a sub mini & mann it sounds amazing it def makes a difference than just having the arc ultra alone by itself, big difference i might add, it sounds like a full big sub.
@@jrmcdonald821same here! I think if one pairs the arc ultra with a sub mini, then really having the bigger sub is overkill. That’s my opinion. The arc with the sub mini sounds incredibly loud, and fills a large room without any issue, and you save yourself some $
@@jrmcdonald821 I have Ultra and Sub Mini too and its a huge difference
Trueplay (both versions) and speech enhancement are both bugged. This has been confirmed by sonos themselves as I've had several conversations with them regarding atmos music playback via my appletv 4k, in a nutshell it sounds horrendous. They've assured me that their engineers are working on a fix but currently have no eta. Disappointing is an understatement considering my old arc was, for the most part, flawless. This is paired with 2 era 300's and a sub mini. Hopefully they'll sort it soon.
Not sure about speech enhancement but Trueplay was fixed with today’s update.
Fixed today
@@JoseUben I was hoping it had fixed it I done the app update I'll wait until tomorrow to run the advanced trueplay again hopefully I can hear a difference between low/med & high. Movies in atmos sounded insane which is why I was taken aback by how bad atmos music was it was so bad it was like listening to an instrumental and this was with my trusted atmos tracks, fingers crossed for further updates/improvements.
I had a full arc system with 2 era 300 and a sub 3, I have upgraded to the Ultra and I like the wider soundstage but the sound is about 15/20 procent better. Really would not recommend upgrading unless you have to much money 😂
Music sounds terrible in dolby atmos
Looking forward for the more detailed reviews. Keep up the work guys!
Thanks! Will do!
I'm impressed how fast you can switch you're living room with the ARC UIltra 😅
great review!! providing actual opinion on difference, I hope that you can do a more detailed review
Sonos fans: Bass on arc ultra is so great that if you pair it with another two subs from Sonos its SOOOO GOOD.
It is another dimension you are entering😉
@@sirqdoled1203 an overpriced one
compared trailer demo by earphones，beginning fly scene more powerful，dialogue more clear and fireworks more powerful as well.😊
Got the full set up with ultra 2 sub 4 and era 300 this is mind-blowing good. Coming from Ambeo max with extra sub and a Samsung 990b, this is much, much better.😁 Thanks for the review
Just got mine today, yet to try to it but here I am watching another review about it ;-)
Hope you enjoy it!
@@smarthomesounds Yes!
I feel there is still some improvement that can be done between balancing the bass in the Ultra and Sub as Ultra is doing a lot more bass than I think is needed with a sub, but overall I’m very happy with upgrading to the Ultra.
Can you review Sony's Theatre Bar 9? Would like to know how it stacks up against the Ultra, as well as if the Acoustic Centre Sync feature makes it worth a purchase over the competition (for owners of compatible Sony TVs).
Is the Atmos performance better?
Is the music listening experience better?
We have a Beam gen 1, 2 Ones (rear) and a sub mini. How much does it make sense to upgrade just the beam? I get that it'll be a great upgrade in itself - but does the mini become pointless with the new base in the ultra, and therefore we should consider to a full sub? And are Era1/300 also "necessary"?
Honestly asking if I can upgrade gradually with and it still makes sense. Changing it all is quite steep 😅
No DTS X at this price point is unacceptable. For a full system you could just get the theatre quad for the same money.
I couldn’t agree more with your comment on turning up and down the sound on the original arc. I had to do that all the time and now can keep the sound the same with the Ultra due to the better dialog. I upgraded from Arc to Ultra and have two 300s and G3 Sub. Ultra is much better in that setup.
Can I ask what you did with your original Arc?
I have an Arc and it really does my head in with the volume issues relating to dialogue vs other noises (to the point that we just put on subtitles).
I am tempted to upgrade, and Sonos have given me upgrade discount.
I had the same issue where turning sound up to 50 and down to 40 during movies. With the Ultra, I am very comfortable with a movie like experience at 33 and can hear dialog cleary while still getting punch of action scenes. I also used Sonos upgrade credit for purchase and picked up at local Best Buy same day. I’m Putting the old Arc with old SL Ones in another room that we don’t use as often.
Definitely looking to upgrade my whole system… (Beam Gen 1 / Solos / Sub Mini) and this has me intrigued… and the Sonos upgrade incentives really sound interesting.
If I have to choose a first Sonos system, what is better for me: beam 2+sub mini+era 100 or just arc ultra?
Thank you for your review. At this time I have an « old school « Sony SA ST 5000 set up ( more than 4 years ). Which seems more feasible : Arc Ultra or Samsung ?!?!
Listening to this on the OG Arc 😂
Would you discuss the concerns (or not) consumers should have when (if) buying from Sonos? Given their practice of forced generational upgrades through their management app... I'm trying to decide between the Sont Bravia Theatre Quad and a similarly priced Sonos setup with Era 300's and a Sub gen. 4.
I have two Era 300's and they are extremely good for playing music in the lounge which is a priority for me. I wonder if a Arc ultra connected to the two eras as rears would be better overall sound quality for music with the bonus of much better sound for movies/tv. Any feedback appreciated?
I have Sonos Arc + Era 300 and dual sub (Gen 3 + Gen 2). With Ultra I will need to give up the older sub. Would an upgrade in my set up still a 30-40% improvement? Or more like 10-20%? Thank you
15/20 procent to be honest.
What about pairing this with in ceilings speakers?
I replaced the arc with the arc ultra and dolby atmos seems much better to me. It has often happened that I thought there was someone else in the apartment, even though it was only in the film.
The Samsung Q990D is on sale for under £900 in the UK, which comes with a sub & 2 surround speakers. If upgrading from the Sonos Beam (gen 1), what would you recommend - Sonos Arc Ultra only, or Samsung Q990D?
@smart Home Sounds would you choose the arc ultra or Devialet Dione if Price doesn’t matter?
Does it have more bass than a stereo pair of HomePod gen 2s? I’m considering the Arc Ultra
100% I tried this setup before getting the ultra. The ultra is quite impressive with bass output and blows the HomePods out of the water in all around performance!
Hey Louie , Ive been waiting for this review & as usual you do not disappoint , However I have a question or 2 , First do you have 1 on demo in your awesome showroom ? you know I love to come for a demo , second I have 2 x subs 1 Gen 2 & the second which I purchased from you guys a Gen 3 I think im right in thinking my Gen 2 would NOT be compatible with the ULTRA ? so it means for me I would also have to purchase a Gen 4 - As I do love my twin sub set up ! Last question .... the biggest issue I have purchasing this ULTRA is the app , other you tube videos have said it takes over 2.5 hours to fully get the whole system up & running as a home theatre system with the ERA300's as rears which you know I have [ again purchased from you ] In an ideal word I'd like you to come & set the whole system up for me then I would come & purchase the Ultra & Gen 4 sub in a heart beat ! - Thanks again for another great video , look forward to all the others you have coming .
Great review ! Thx a lot for this one. 💯. I dont have any sonos devices but i just keep an eye on it . Maybe i will start with some era 100 x2 or Era 300 and after add the arc Ultra.
Sonos Arc Ultra or Bose Smart Ultra (i can get this for just 509 €) ? Which one is better from the Sound, for movies as well as for music?
Thank you for this video - have been waiting for this
Hope you enjoyed it!
@ looking forward to the more detailed ones. Thank you
I own beam gen 2 and bookshelf gen 1 speakers as rears . Confused between upgrading to arc or arc ultra. If I upgrade to ultra then I might loose the compatibility to the bookshelf speakers. Has anyone actually tried to connect to arc ultra with gen 1. That would help me lot with my purchasing decision
Went for grouping 2 sonos sl ones put them under old arc facing upwards imitating (sound motion) and eras 300 as surround. Saved me self 1000 quid 😅 works for me. One thing, though, is that volume must be all at the same level😅
I grouped my fives also have 2 sub gen 3 it sounds amazing I put the fives as wide fronts
Hi there! 👋🏻
I’m looking for a video or some advice on how to get the most out of my Arc Ultra + 2x Era 100 speakers when they’re set up as surround the 100s. The 100s don’t seem to do much, and I can’t really adjust how immersive I want to feel. So, for now, I’ve just turned off the surround setting to get the full potential of the three of them.
Any advice or is this something that hasn’t been solved yet because this Arc Ultra is new?
Thanks a bunch!
Can you reach out to Sonos ask when / if the Ace sound swap feature will be extended to a 2nd / 3rd pair of headphones?
Can I connect this to the HGIMI Horizon Ultra 4K projector via Bluetooth ? No direct wires. Cleaner set up but understand quality might not be perfect ? Any thoughts ? Thanks
i currently have a beam 2. sub mini and two sl surrounds. will i notice a difference if i upgrade the beam to ultra ? its in a medium sized room
will the ARC ULTRA sound even better with a SUB MINI and the ERA 100's ? would i even notice the difference ? i already ordered and received the sub Mini and ERA 100's my room is approx. 12 x 12 feet with 7.5 foot ceiling i got the BEAM 2 but changed my mind and wanna upgrade to the ARC ULTRA .... BEAM 2 is still in the box please let me know what you think thx also i intend to add the ERA 300's down the road possibly hoping the 100's will do in my room for now cheers from Canada
another question should i not even open the Sub Mini box and just send it back and order the GEN 4 Sub ? i am not a bass head so as long as the mini adds some i would be fine i think not sure what to do
5.1.4 all the way for me. Arc has been shifted to the bedroom. Incomparable
Would this work well with era 100s as rears if cost is an option?
Any good in a small three bed semi, rather than a home with a living room like a football pitch?
I have an Arc gen 1 and two rear One’s. Should I upgrade to the arc ultra or spend the money on a sub?
I’d say sub. Arc is perfect
Let’s say you already had the ultra… then you’d buy a sub… point is your still buys a sub regardless of the arc/ultra… get sub then later get the ultra if you need it…
Sub then Sonos 300s. Then an ultra if you really need
Great Review!! I own a sonos beam gen 2 , sub mini and two sonos ones. does the ultra sound better than my setup standalone?
Just change the beam for the ultra but there’s no replacement for surround speakers
I would just upgrade the Arc Ultra if you have a med-large TV area, your TV is +55 inches, and has eArc HDMI (the Arc Ultra might look too big and be wider than the TV if 50 inches or less). The Beam Gen 2 can be moved to the master bedroom or spare room. You can later upgrade the One SL to Era 100/300, move the extra One SLs to the Beam, or use the One SLs stand alone in other rooms.
@@ALKALINE75 I would definitely upgrade something else instead (Like your TV). Unpopular opinion, but maybe I would rather have the so os arc ultra with a sub vs your setup.
I doubt it - I have the same setup on my smaller TV in the living room, and it's really great in that space. I actually prefer it to my Arc + 2 Era300's + 2 Sub Gen 3's in the media room for some types of content.
I love my arc ultra so much. Movies and music are so immersive
It's a sound bar I doubt that very much, you could buy an entry level surround setup for cheaper
@@AndrewB23 You sound bitter because your poor
So if you have the Ultra m, gen 3 or 4 sub and 2 era 300's does that technically give you 11.2.6??
Beautiful review as always. Also i miss the guy who reviewed the arc
I own an Arc and do not see a compelling case to upgrade. The improvement seems significant, but incremental. If I were to spend $$$ on Sonos products, it would be to upgrade my surrounds from the Sonos One to the Era 300s.
Why does not show the volume level when you level up or down with the remote :O?
Its Most annoying thing to me…lg and most Samsungs do not communicate the volume level with the bar.
@@kentucky4696 pretty annoying, such a tiny thing but a big reason to not buy it. I really need the volume indicator
That's honestly a reason to not buy it at all. Not knowing what volume you've got it on is silly.
I've got an Arc connected to a gen 2 & gen 3 sub. If I wanted to upgrade to the ultra, I'd have to upgrade sub gen 2 too?
Yes that's correct. If you are planning on using dual subs for the arc ultra both subs either have to be gen 3s, Gen 4's or one of each. If you have one sub the ultra can connect to any of the Gen 1, 2, 3, 4.
Beam Gen 2 + Sub Mini seems to be a very good option cost-wise if you wanna be within that budget range. kip the arc get the beam 2 and mini sub :D
Agreed. I own both Arc original and Beam Gen 2. While the arc is obviously putting out a wider soundstage, and about 10% louder. It’s severely tinny sounding by nature. There’s literally zero base output there. Folks might appreciate the more centralized sound the Beam Gen 2 offers, as it better focuses what you’re hearing as coming directly from the TV. It’s beating Arc in dialogue clarity, and low bitrate music streaming services play back all day, and twice on Sunday thanks to having better mid range punch. According to Peter Pee, Arc Ultra is only “noticeably” louder than Arc original. Reports are also coming back that the new little sound motion sub in the bar is fairly gimmicky, and overhyped. I mean anyone spending this kind of money on a bar is clearly going to add a sub or two anyway. Taking all this into consideration, Is it really worth double the cost over the beam 2, for about a 20 or 30% improvement in sound? I guess it depends if money is no object, or not. I will say that anyone running a TV with a Beam Gen 2, sub mini, and a pair of era 100’s is going to have a great sounding room for the price point. It’s the best bang for buck option by far. If you’re into gimmicky bouncing signals off ceiling Atmos, then go for the spacial audio package. However, that being said, I personally prefer the sound of 5s as rear surrounds over the 300s. They offer far better punch, and round out the setup for music playback much more than the tinny, treble heavy - wide sounding 300’s do.
I stuck with the Beam Gen 2, Gen 3 sub, and One SLs in my smaller office. Went with the Arc Ultra (upgraded from the v1 Arc), dual Gen 3 subs, and Fives in Great room 3X the size of the office. Both sound equally well balanced and fill the rooms with Dolby/Atmos audio without much variation in quality. Beam/sub can work in a small/med space and you have the option to add Symfonisk/One SL/Era 100 to improve the sound profile later down the road.
Was really interested in the new Arc but I’m going for a traditional 5.1 AVR solution instead. Getting the full Sonos package will be more expensive with a couple of hundred bucks compared to the package I’m looking at. 😱
Yep it literally makes no sense to not buy an actual entry surround set-up
Very nice! Liked from the start your video (no, not a bot).
I still think the samsung has the best soundbar of all time..q990D
Sonos arc + Sub (gen 3) or arc Ultra?
I replaced my Arc with an Arc Ultra. I moved my Arc to another room. I’ve noticed the audio decoding on Netflix does not work properly. 5.1 on several shows has decoding issues where the music on a show is very low or missing. For example, the music is Derry Girls in many scenes is missing or very low. I don’t get this issue on Arc. The only way to work around the problem on Netflix is change audio to stereo. All the other streaming services seem to work fine. Lord of the rings on Prime for example sounds amazing. Sonos support could not help, telling me to contact Netflix. Not great. My setup is Arc Ultra, sub 4, sub 3, 2x Era300
I have the same problem
I stop using soundbars years ago,just not anough sound for me so i got avr with 5.0 Dali opticon 2mk2 🔊
Also if the arc ultra is really is 9.1.4 out oif the box than what is it when you add a sub and add 2 eras as surrounds goes up to???
It's not. Home theater in a box companies always label drivers as individual speakers to make it sound better than they are.
Like if I buy a pair or tower speakers that each have 4 mids and 1 tweeter that's a total of 10 drivers but it's still only 2 speakers. And you don't get to add a .1 just because they play down to 70Hz either lol.
I believe the channels the arc gives you are centre, 2 sides (which won't actually be at the sides of your TV if your TV is wider than the arc), 2 front Atmos via sound bouncing and 2 sides via sound bouncing also.
That's still 7 channels in one bar but it's not 9.1.4 it's 5.0.2.
That's still impressive for a single soundbar solution though.
How do get the cables from the soundbar to the tv behind if it is wall mount? Do you have a picture?
I have power,hdmi, rf antenne that goes behind the soundbar up to my tv today. Thx
drill holes in the wall...
@@corbinsc36cant do. Concrete
@@steenknudsen8003ahh… I would suggest one of those wire hiding panels. Look up a wall cable cover. Might be able to find something pretty sleek.
Does it start to compete with a dedicated 5.1.2 home amp system
No not even close you could literally buy an entry level surround setup for the same price if not cheaper and then upgrade for better speakers as you see fit you're just stuck with what you got with a sound bar.
How is the automatic / easy true play?
Can this be used with older sub or do you need to upgrade to the latest gen?
According to Sonos, any generation of the sub works with the Ultra
My gen2 sub has suffered about a 90% drop off since upgrading to Ultra 😢
If you're using an individual sub any of the Gen 1, 2, 3, 4 will be able to connect to the Arc ultra. However, if you're doing dual subs you can only use a Gen 3 or Gen 4.
the arc ultra sounds much fuller i enjoy the minor upgrade 30% better is a correct answer
How is it compared to BOSE 900 at music listening in terms of bass?
The Ultra wins this one easily for us.
Curious if Sonos Arc Ultra works well with Sub Gen 3.
Yes, I swapped out my v1 Arc with the Arc Ultra and I had dual Gen 3 subs and Fives. I didn't have any issues with dialogue with v1 Arc+LG OLED 77C1 and noticed dialogue comes in even better with the Arc Ultra. Not 100% sure is the Arc Ultra bass module frequency responses are reduced with the sub(s)?
I've got Apple TV 4K and Samsung Frame 65 2023 with 1 HDMI eARC port. Will I get Dolby Atmos on this setup if I add Sonos Arc Ultra? Or do I need to have 2 eARC ports on TV?
If you connect the Apple TV to the HDMI 2.1 port (it might be labeled with 4k120hz), and the Sonos soundbar to the eARC port, you should get Atmos through.
@@kubiksoft Thanks! I can't really be perfectly sure if I got the right ports because tech specs on Samsung website is not great unfortunately. I will have to try I guess :D
They still haven't sorted all the problems created by the system upgrade. Why would I want to buy another piece of Sonos gear that I can't use all the features that I originally bought into?
you make a good point but i am confident they will fix things up sooner than later... heres hoping cheers
Buy an actual surround sound for the same price or cheaper and upgrade as you go, sound bars are a waste of money
@@AndrewB23 i don't want any wires at all a good friend has a ton of Sonos speakers for the last 10 years and has never had an issue he says i will chance it i think thx thought i appreciate your response
I was waiting for thissssss
Are their any new wall mounts from supporting companies, for ULTRA coming that are extendable?
I will be using my setup with Sim Rig and Samsungs 57" 32:9 monitor.
Also, anyone else having crackle type distortion via the ULTRA - ACE mode?
Sonos already have an official Ultra mount available that fits properly - he's just pointing out you can use the original arc mount if you want, even though it sticks out a bit. Apparently there were bugs in the update before the most recent one (which just dropped a day or so ago) - so make sure you update your firmware & it should fix your crackle.
Hi , i have a old sonos playbase + 2 rear sonos play 1 for Surround . the arc ultra dosent work with rear play 1, so is it worth to buy sonos ultra arc and And give up with the rear speakers for now and buy only the ultra arc at this moment or to stay with the old Surround system ?
Thanks for the question, the playbase was a good product with great bass response, but I think I would now go with the standalone Arc. You will get a wide immersive soundstage with more detail especially on Atmos content and a also a better bass response with both movies & music. Let us know how you go 👍
can you please answer the question 🙏 ?
@@smarthomesounds thank you for your help !!!
@@smarthomesounds 🙏🙏🙏
I’m consideeing this Arc Ultra for my TV. Do you guys know that I can stream music to the unit directly without having to turn on TV? Just thinking for events that we only want the music to fill the room like parties etc 🤔
Yes this is possible 👍
Yes, the ultra has Bluetooth, or you can enable your Apple Music, Spotify or Prime Music within the Sonos app and play through that.
It has Bluetooth but not entirely sure you'd want to use it
I tested music via Apple and tbh everything sounds awful, zero bass, vocal low down and tracks sounding like instrumentals. Downloaded Tidal and ran Trueplay again and massive improvement but my Gen 2 sub just isn’t giving me the same bass as my original arc
@@smarthomesoundsthanks! And this could be done without having to pair or turn on the device everytime I want to use right? I would like to have the same experience their Era 😊
For a standalone sound bar, Sennheiser ambeo plus is the best.
Don't know if that one is better plus they (still) don't sell surround speakers
The best waste of money, buy a real surround for the same price or cheaper bud 😂
Has anyone using the Sonos Ace with a Beam Gen 2 had to switch the Beam to use Wifi instead of Ethernet to get the ACE to work? My Audio swap would not work until I unplugged the ethernet from my Beam. Thx
Can you use two Sonos Ace's with one Arc Ultra? Would be useful to watch a movie with someone else.
Yes
@ source?
@@OuterSpaceMindOSM Sonos sells the arc ultra and two pairs together on their website.
@@OuterSpaceMindOSM common sense and Sonos website. It would be stupid for new soundbar to not work with their brand new headphones.
I am genuinely disappointed with the surround sound of the Arc Ultra. Given all the marketing,
Really expected to hear sounds above and behind me. But they just come from the soundbar really. Tested with PS5, Dolby Atmos content on Amazon Prime and with Apple Music. The sound quality is amazing, but the surround experience is mediocre. I will at least get Era 100s. Hopefully they will help
I want one soooo bad.
Then get one! 🤷♂️
Buy a real surround
Why not support DTS/True-Hd/X, it is a premium soundbar and should support all formats, their explanation is somewhat unsatisfactory, having DTS support on the Samsung Q990 series which is cheaper than the ultimate set makes their explanation unacceptable.
I’ll stay with my Naka-Dragon 🐉
Sonos kings of not wanting to pay licensing fees
second, Black Friday deals?
Buy a real surround sound setup bud they're the same price or cheaper and you can upgrade as you go, with a sound bar you're stuck with what you got
Honestly I'm not entirely sure you're going to find a deal with the arc ultra on Black Friday. You're probably better off waiting 3 days after Christmas till January 5th where people are more likely to return items and stores have to sell them as open box deals.
When company thought they are right that where it backfire.we need all source support and HDMI. Sonus will be like Bose being left out company really have to listen to customer needs.
No dts hd or dtx? I’m out
Sorry friends. FOMO always gets me. I had to upgrade from the Arc to the Ultra.
Could've bought a real surround for the same price or cheaper 😂
@AndrewB23 oh please enlight us what a REAL surround system is?
So TH-cam music still isn't supporting in the TH-cam app. Such a ball ache using the sonos app.
Disney plus uses imax so their reason to not support dts doesn’t land.
Sonos Arc Ultra soundbar does not have capabilities of playing DTS HD MA codec, so no good for my needs
Big let down as DTS HD MA is main sound from most Blu-ray discs
Canton smart Soundbar 10 is better for the price
Not worth the upgrade and the extra money for something minimal and the sound the difference is very little I have both Bose ultra and Sonos arc ultra the bose sound crisps and clear I’m sending the Sonos arc ultra back
Its really really disappointing that sonos haven't included DTS support and really really disappointing they haven't added an extra HDMI input so you can hook up other external devices and NO HDMI pass through??? i won't be buying it
What about the neighbours?
Everybody needs good neighbours... with a little understanding they can be good friends
Trueplay just wont work, my room is very very quiet and it keeps cancelling due to background noise joke
I had this issue loads of times with both the arc and then the ultra the only thing I tried that seemed to work more consistently was switching hands I know it sounds strange but I think if you use the hand that's closest to the arc it seems to mess it up try switching it up and see if that works.
Also try not to "rub" your clothes when you do it and socks aswell. Sounds f*****g mad but it's worth a go maybe I was just lucky but all those things may help.
And by rub I mean the motion of the arm waving up and down rubbing whatever you're wearing hahaha
Unless sonos buy the licence for dtx ill never buy sonos ever again i sold all mmy equipment due to this. no dtx s is a downer
HUH
There is only a subtle difference in sound quality, well not worth the $1799 aus for it.
Only £100 over the normal arc in the uk
Lol way more than subtle. Night and day
@@storytheshorty i agree its amazing
@@storytheshortythey're all over glorified tv speakers bud, buy a real surround setup for the same price or cheaper and blow every single one out of the water
@@AndrewB23 is this a serious response? We’re talking about ultra vs arc sound performance…
No thanks, avoid Sonos at all costs
Your loss
Still no modern audio codecs supported by Sonos like DTS-X. I think for this price it's unacceptable.
If you spend this much money on a sound bar you're just dumb, you can buy an entry level surround setup or even a decent 2.1 set up that'll blow these over glorified tv speakers out of the water. Best part is you can upgrade later while you're stuck with whatever they give you. If you don't want a "big" receiver you can even get active speakers like the Klipsch nines that have an HDMI connection. Any A/V channel that actually suggested a sound bar at this price is literally just a shill that will like who pays them 😂.
I switched from a traditional AV receiver with a speaker setup to Sonos, and I couldn't be happier. It's easy to use and delivers great sound. I have the Arc Ultra with a subwoofer and Era 300 as surrounds, and it sounds incredible.
No wires around
Jeez! Why you even on here? Every reply is negative and pushing the same agenda! Do you work for a rival company
If you pay $1000 / £1000 for a complete 5:1 / 7:1 setup - then it will sound like total cr@p. You even mention Klipsch Nines which are £1500 for just stereo sound with nowhere near enough bass for home cinema style use, and have very poor performance with dialogue.
@@Joseph-sy8ep Yup! No wires on the floor or behind walls/ceilings, no large A/V cabinet you need to dust, no wired 12 inch sub vibrating the floor, ability to upgrade components as needed, integration with other Sonos speakers for whole house audio, easy to tune/adjust, and fantastic sound.