If someone can watch a talk like this, and realize that they might, even if just in some small part, be "that guy", that is basically step 0 for redemption. Realizing you have a problem is the first step to fixing it, and is basically proof that you can. And if they apologize before they are called out for being "that guy", that apology will have miles more impact than even a sincere apology after someone else calls them out.
There is also the problem that people use/see twitter differently. So someone being "that guy" on twitter might merely be a sign of immaturity rather than genuinely being a bad guy. I know for a fact that I tend to be "that guy" because I am easily dragged into arguments. I've stopped because I've realized (though it took me a long time) that not everyone who starts an argument online has the debate skills and mental acuity, let alone the willingness to walk those arguments through step by step, so trying to engage them in debate is pointless. Being autistic and tone deaf doesn't help in this regard, so I tend to get in way deeper than I should. Most people who say stuff online don't say them because they truly believe them or because there is any truth to them but rather because they want to appeal to their peers and demonstrate their affiliation to certain groups. Trying to get into an argument with someone who makes political statements to demonstrate their affiliation to their tribe is pointless because no matter what you say, they will just double down or deflect. And it took me almost 20 years of being on the internet to figure that stuff out.
Took a specific coworker pulling me aside and basically telling me I was being "that guy" and I never even realized it. Had anyone else pulled me aside to tell me I probably would have brushed them off.
Yeah, I just finished year 23 at my job I've had since I was 19, and I have been looking at bigger challenges as I have hit a plateau and I want to break that status quo.
I'm 23, just starting to dip my toes into the professional sphere (not infosec)... and by god does every person who works in business need to listen to this talk.
It's always cool seeing people in this type of field not being assholes, and focusing on that as an important thing. It seriously made me feel so good for Ollam to mention a trans woman in the talk, and gender her correctly, and that's an *extremely low bar!* It's the little things, you know?
Small key point: Ean Meyer presents masc and uses he/him pronouns, Ian Coldwater uses they/them pronouns ... but because Ian presents femme, in the rapid context switching back and forth between my referencing of multiple awesome people with the same(-ish) name during this talk, there was a point where i mistakenly used she/her pronouns for Ian. I reached out to them almost immediately after the talk and apologized, but I'm putting this note here, as well, to clarify. Enjoy the talk!
This was genuinely one of the best and bluntly (in a good way) delivered talks I have seen on many of these topics. I made the questionable choice to step away from cyber to pursue a degree in accounting after leaving the service thinking I either couldn't cut it, or just needed a break from what my perception was from what I had been working with/around. Thankfully, I keep coming back and watching uploads every chance I get, damn do I love following the insight and info you put in the world. Much appreciation!
@@FreedomOfRedundancy thanks so much for the appreciation and i thank you for the feedback and commentary. :-) so what did you ultimately wind up doing? are you in accounting now?
@@DeviantOllam In school for accounting currently, I think it will be useful in the long term, but I definitely contemplate seeing if Reno harbors any teams that I could help out. Been out of the tech side of it for awhile, but grew up in a locksmith family and spent WAY too much time working those soft skills as program management, so be nice to see if I could offset my technical drought that way. Like you mentioned, no rock-star, but I can damn well try at quite a bit.
@@FreedomOfRedundancy I don't know if Jim N. from TOOOL is still in Reno but check to see if that local chapter still exists. Possibly a great connection!
I'd like to personally thank you for this talk and the hundreds (ish) talks you've been a part of. My preteen son and I both have been playing with lock picking and bypasses in part from you. I'm going to have him listen to this hopefully to motivate him down this kind of path in life. You're an inspiration and a wealth of useful knowledge that's always presented very well. Take care.
This is fantastic, I’ll be listening and enjoying all your works from now on. Do you have an amazing grasp and understanding. Looking forward to learning a great deal from you, many thanks
In my time that was called networking people. A cold resume does hit home nearly as much as a personnel recommendation by someone who is a a friend or in the company because people don't recommend someone who is inappropriate or obviously they don't like .
I explicitly want to say thank you for this great talk, Deviant. Packed with valuable information in there that most people think to few about in daily business myself included. Thank you!
Ollam: Congratulations on another outstanding, value added presentation which is a great reminder for all, regardless of occupation and regardless of the level of business EQ or time in the business world. You hit the content out of the park as well as relating to the disparate need for balance with all fields of CON subject matter!
the "giving it away" angle really resonates. Because chances are, other people will not eclipse you in all things unless you get someone with a huge talent into a thing, you will stay the person they learned from and they will come to you with things of that topic. I am in the (bottom of the) "ok" section for dozens and dozens of task from microcontrollers to websites to lockpicking to operation coordination. I am pretty good at some things, but for me personally i am just good enough to land on my feet and start things off running in a hundred different things. I have eclipsed pretty much none of my teachers, but i have made many friends who are better than me in everything they care about. But i am better than them in all of the things they can't do. So i can help out, or just get people that can help out
Hey, little bit of feedback from the mic. Small note for soundguys, try to move/ disable the speakers where the speaker (person) is talking into. Hopefully those in the audience won't notice that the speakers are off as the speaker will be near enough to project their voice to them. 👍
Ollam. If you end up reading this, great fan here! Seen all of your videos, i love the way you breakdown problems and figure out the easiest solutions. I live in a town of 90k and i wanted to know if there were any tips you can give to be able to practice skills and apply them to a career.
Thank you for making my day!!! You're like one of the coolest dudes out there, you're very inspiring and helped me to start working on locks and testing my own security at home. I do have another question, these cons you attend, are they invite only or open to the public? Thank you for your time!!!!
When you start it by zero and have all to figure out by yourself, this guy is the pure inspiration when time is coming to be mad sometimes, i love his Charisma! 🦁❤ #FuckthatGuy
The sample size of the study that you're referring to was 1500 people. that study is now being used to make legislative decisions. The sample size was also exclusively taken from metropolitan Chicago. Crack the tapes on the study.
yeah. Tarah and I are friends with Ian and his wife and enjoy seeing them when we're in Arizona. :-) I also tend to go to SHOT Show with Ian each January. he's as nice in person as you'd expect from his videos.
Thank you, Deviant. I feel like I might be "fuck that guy" at heart right now and you helped me realize that I need to change that. I've also been struggling with mental hurdles, feeling like I could never achieve the highest level of skills, and it's been stonewalling me into inaction. Thanks for the kick in the ass!
I don't follow how net-90 is "harder" to "demand". Wouldn't clients more likely want to have more time to pay? Unless I'm misunderstanding things. Net-X means the client has X days to pay after being invoiced, right?
I think he means demanding net-90 from a vendor as a small business (i.e. terms on incoming invoices to your business that you need to pay, not outgoing invoices to your own clients).
40:25 interesting advice. I work for a pretty big tech company, and our advice is always "do whatever you need to do to get safe". All info is stored in our "cloud" though, so actually getting access to the device doesn't provide much. After the encounter, the device is destroyed, just in case the officials have put anything dodgy in the device (which isn't beyond some governments.... th-cam.com/video/wiES3eoxCdc/w-d-xo.html)
@@iKyuubi1995 Yes, that's true, and, although I was trying to get at something else related to the origin of the picture, that might just have been Deviants idea
I googled something like "doesn't like parties" and this is one thing that turned up in the results. It appears to possibly be from an Emma Watson film called "The Perks of Being a Wallflower"
@DeviantOllam Yes correct it is. I don't quite recall but I must have seen the movie at the point of writing the first comment, so I rewatched it to get back to you. I will try to summarize to cut back on the length of my answer. The movie is about a group of high school kids wore are all kinds of misfits and do fall under the category of "But I don't drink and I hate parties" (very simplified, bc sex drugs and rock'n'roll on their part but any ways; this is a graduation dance) and they were able through just meeting people too vastly improve their lives. Well and as @DirtyNash WNDL already pointed out this picture in the presentation and in the movie does greatly resonate with people that are introverted and do struggle to find ways to socialise in a way that is fulfilling for them. (Which is not meant negative as I count myself among those). TLDR: too bad, it's complicated watch the movie and ask me again On another note among the people I know I am now also now experiencing this "sure that guy" phenomenon you talked about which really doesn't help my habit of remembering only snippets of random information from all over, so I can apply them once every blue moon. Finally if you have the time go watch the movie it is niche but good, thank you, keep up your work and have a nice day.
Bro i dont wanna be mean but u rly shouldnt put ice in a whsiky. Try some waterdrops (maybe not the american chlored water) and taste the flavor opening :)
If u feel like doing who am i to command you into any diffrent way. Just try it out. I know hotel keepers that will give you cheaper whisky in case you order with ice. Just telling, no offence
38:55 CYA and never ask a new hire candidate their pronouns during an interview. Gender is a protected class and would be akin to asking someone their sexual orientation or age prior to hire and thus could put you in hot water, since that could easily be interpreted as discriminatory hiring practices. Having an office culture encouraging others to share their pronouns in order to be welcoming to all is fine. Just leave it until after you've moved past the hiring process.
I read all of those glennsham tweets and to be honest they weren't really that bad. Maybe a little callous in delivery but his points were valid. Some of the people whom he replied to we're actually much more racist and divisive than he was.
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If someone can watch a talk like this, and realize that they might, even if just in some small part, be "that guy", that is basically step 0 for redemption. Realizing you have a problem is the first step to fixing it, and is basically proof that you can.
And if they apologize before they are called out for being "that guy", that apology will have miles more impact than even a sincere apology after someone else calls them out.
There is also the problem that people use/see twitter differently. So someone being "that guy" on twitter might merely be a sign of immaturity rather than genuinely being a bad guy.
I know for a fact that I tend to be "that guy" because I am easily dragged into arguments. I've stopped because I've realized (though it took me a long time) that not everyone who starts an argument online has the debate skills and mental acuity, let alone the willingness to walk those arguments through step by step, so trying to engage them in debate is pointless. Being autistic and tone deaf doesn't help in this regard, so I tend to get in way deeper than I should.
Most people who say stuff online don't say them because they truly believe them or because there is any truth to them but rather because they want to appeal to their peers and demonstrate their affiliation to certain groups. Trying to get into an argument with someone who makes political statements to demonstrate their affiliation to their tribe is pointless because no matter what you say, they will just double down or deflect. And it took me almost 20 years of being on the internet to figure that stuff out.
Took a specific coworker pulling me aside and basically telling me I was being "that guy" and I never even realized it. Had anyone else pulled me aside to tell me I probably would have brushed them off.
I wish I'd gotten this talk thirty years ago.
You can say that again!
Unless you're already dead it's never too late to start something new!
Should be required prior to graduation from high school.
Yeah, I just finished year 23 at my job I've had since I was 19, and I have been looking at bigger challenges as I have hit a plateau and I want to break that status quo.
I'm 23, just starting to dip my toes into the professional sphere (not infosec)... and by god does every person who works in business need to listen to this talk.
Yeah it is just general career advice. I like to call the "turd / yeah, sure / sunshine", the fact that "nobody knows, anything".
It's always cool seeing people in this type of field not being assholes, and focusing on that as an important thing.
It seriously made me feel so good for Ollam to mention a trans woman in the talk, and gender her correctly, and that's an *extremely low bar!*
It's the little things, you know?
Small key point: Ean Meyer presents masc and uses he/him pronouns, Ian Coldwater uses they/them pronouns ... but because Ian presents femme, in the rapid context switching back and forth between my referencing of multiple awesome people with the same(-ish) name during this talk, there was a point where i mistakenly used she/her pronouns for Ian. I reached out to them almost immediately after the talk and apologized, but I'm putting this note here, as well, to clarify.
Enjoy the talk!
This was genuinely one of the best and bluntly (in a good way) delivered talks I have seen on many of these topics. I made the questionable choice to step away from cyber to pursue a degree in accounting after leaving the service thinking I either couldn't cut it, or just needed a break from what my perception was from what I had been working with/around. Thankfully, I keep coming back and watching uploads every chance I get, damn do I love following the insight and info you put in the world. Much appreciation!
@@FreedomOfRedundancy thanks so much for the appreciation and i thank you for the feedback and commentary. :-) so what did you ultimately wind up doing? are you in accounting now?
@@DeviantOllam In school for accounting currently, I think it will be useful in the long term, but I definitely contemplate seeing if Reno harbors any teams that I could help out. Been out of the tech side of it for awhile, but grew up in a locksmith family and spent WAY too much time working those soft skills as program management, so be nice to see if I could offset my technical drought that way. Like you mentioned, no rock-star, but I can damn well try at quite a bit.
@@FreedomOfRedundancy I don't know if Jim N. from TOOOL is still in Reno but check to see if that local chapter still exists. Possibly a great connection!
Thank you 😊
I'd like to personally thank you for this talk and the hundreds (ish) talks you've been a part of. My preteen son and I both have been playing with lock picking and bypasses in part from you. I'm going to have him listen to this hopefully to motivate him down this kind of path in life. You're an inspiration and a wealth of useful knowledge that's always presented very well. Take care.
Good luck mate
Goddamn Deviant, the whole talk was great but the part at the end about redemption is really something.
This is fantastic, I’ll be listening and enjoying all your works from now on. Do you have an amazing grasp and understanding. Looking forward to learning a great deal from you, many thanks
not even in INFOSEC, but i appreciate the length of time spent on hiring/employment. c:
Thank you for using all the reach you have to make this community better. Great work!
we all work hard and make things better when we can come together for others. thanks!
@@DeviantOllam any chance you and you crew will be in Europe next year? Beer @BruCON?
In my time that was called networking people. A cold resume does hit home nearly as much as a personnel recommendation by someone who is a a friend or in the company because people don't recommend someone who is inappropriate or obviously they don't like .
Watched it twice back to back; amazing talk. Thank you for talking about this.
you honor me and you honor our community even more, man. hugs and epic fistbumps
great talk. and very good points. Thanks for recording these things.
I explicitly want to say thank you for this great talk, Deviant. Packed with valuable information in there that most people think to few about in daily business myself included. Thank you!
you are most welcome. :-)
Ollam: Congratulations on another outstanding, value added presentation which is a great reminder for all, regardless of occupation and regardless of the level of business EQ or time in the business world. You hit the content out of the park as well as relating to the disparate need for balance with all fields of CON subject matter!
hey, thanks so much for watching and for getting something out of all this. :-)
the "giving it away" angle really resonates. Because chances are, other people will not eclipse you in all things
unless you get someone with a huge talent into a thing, you will stay the person they learned from and they will come to you with things of that topic. I am in the (bottom of the) "ok" section for dozens and dozens of task from microcontrollers to websites to lockpicking to operation coordination. I am pretty good at some things, but for me personally i am just good enough to land on my feet and start things off running in a hundred different things. I have eclipsed pretty much none of my teachers, but i have made many friends who are better than me in everything they care about. But i am better than them in all of the things they can't do. So i can help out, or just get people that can help out
taking soft skills classes with my comp science degree, even before this talk it was obvious that its probably more important than being good a coding
Hey, little bit of feedback from the mic. Small note for soundguys, try to move/ disable the speakers where the speaker (person) is talking into. Hopefully those in the audience won't notice that the speakers are off as the speaker will be near enough to project their voice to them. 👍
get pinged for new jobs? ok
get pinged for every shitty lock in the neighborhood? now that’s what i’m talking about
Deviant Ollam, If you are reading this. Thankyou so fucking much. You are awesome :)
wow... what a wonderful thing to say. thank you =)
Great talk again informative and entertaining!
thanks for watching!
Ollam. If you end up reading this, great fan here! Seen all of your videos, i love the way you breakdown problems and figure out the easiest solutions. I live in a town of 90k and i wanted to know if there were any tips you can give to be able to practice skills and apply them to a career.
that's an interesting question. i did a Q&A on youtube where i talk about career things... it's not up yet but will be this coming week, i hope!
Thank you for making my day!!! You're like one of the coolest dudes out there, you're very inspiring and helped me to start working on locks and testing my own security at home. I do have another question, these cons you attend, are they invite only or open to the public? Thank you for your time!!!!
@@firesidesage3611 so glad to hear you're getting a lot out of my content. :-)
Most of these cons are open to the public, yes!
Hahaha ill be seeing you
@@DeviantOllam I too, hope to one day meet you. Very inspiring for me at this point in my life.
I had to look it up to figure out if ".gun" urls were an option.
I'm sad to say, presently, they are not.
"Yes I can, watch" 😍
Thanks for your talk and great insights!
you're most welcome!
When you start it by zero and have all to figure out by yourself, this guy is the pure inspiration when time is coming to be mad sometimes, i love his Charisma! 🦁❤ #FuckthatGuy
49:43 Wait, Is that Ian from forgotten weapons? Such a cool guy
yeap. he's an awesome dude and we enjoy seeing him when we are in AZ or when he and I are at firearm events.
The sample size of the study that you're referring to was 1500 people. that study is now being used to make legislative decisions. The sample size was also exclusively taken from metropolitan Chicago. Crack the tapes on the study.
I prefer Bounce dryer sheets to Snuggle myself, Bounce has superior static reduction. but hey, to each their own :)
12:51 The Louis Rossmann of Hacking
Thank you for the talk. Motivational.
Lots of good leads.
Amazing video man! Deserved way way more applause!
I applaud you brother
thanks, Fritz!
Awesome talk Dev!
thank you!
So jealous that you got a picture with Jesus!
Ian! I mean Ian.
Hah, yeah he's a good dude. I go to SHOT show each year with him an Karl.
Is that gun photo with Ian McCollum?
yeah. Tarah and I are friends with Ian and his wife and enjoy seeing them when we're in Arizona. :-) I also tend to go to SHOT Show with Ian each January. he's as nice in person as you'd expect from his videos.
Thank you, Deviant. I feel like I might be "fuck that guy" at heart right now and you helped me realize that I need to change that. I've also been struggling with mental hurdles, feeling like I could never achieve the highest level of skills, and it's been stonewalling me into inaction. Thanks for the kick in the ass!
I don't follow how net-90 is "harder" to "demand". Wouldn't clients more likely want to have more time to pay? Unless I'm misunderstanding things. Net-X means the client has X days to pay after being invoiced, right?
I think he means demanding net-90 from a vendor as a small business (i.e. terms on incoming invoices to your business that you need to pay, not outgoing invoices to your own clients).
I want to start a pentest business how do I get a job is my problem
Everything is explained in this talk, fill in some of the blanks.
Starting your own business requires thinking for yourself.
Damn capped out those mic's a lot
40:25 interesting advice.
I work for a pretty big tech company, and our advice is always "do whatever you need to do to get safe". All info is stored in our "cloud" though, so actually getting access to the device doesn't provide much.
After the encounter, the device is destroyed, just in case the officials have put anything dodgy in the device (which isn't beyond some governments.... th-cam.com/video/wiES3eoxCdc/w-d-xo.html)
Thanks deviant ollam
thank you for checking it out! =D
Whats this electrickery...he was talking to me at home???
i have reached my key audience, hah =)
10:23 who knows where this picture comes from and can explain to me why it fits in there?
Introversion is bluntly someone who's seen as a loner ?
@@iKyuubi1995 Yes, that's true, and, although I was trying to get at something else related to the origin of the picture, that might just have been Deviants idea
I googled something like "doesn't like parties" and this is one thing that turned up in the results.
It appears to possibly be from an Emma Watson film called "The Perks of Being a Wallflower"
@DeviantOllam Yes correct it is. I don't quite recall but I must have seen the movie at the point of writing the first comment, so I rewatched it to get back to you. I will try to summarize to cut back on the length of my answer. The movie is about a group of high school kids wore are all kinds of misfits and do fall under the category of "But I don't drink and I hate parties" (very simplified, bc sex drugs and rock'n'roll on their part but any ways; this is a graduation dance) and they were able through just meeting people too vastly improve their lives. Well and as @DirtyNash WNDL already pointed out this picture in the presentation and in the movie does greatly resonate with people that are introverted and do struggle to find ways to socialise in a way that is fulfilling for them. (Which is not meant negative as I count myself among those).
TLDR: too bad, it's complicated watch the movie and ask me again
On another note among the people I know I am now also now experiencing this "sure that guy" phenomenon you talked about which really doesn't help my habit of remembering only snippets of random information from all over, so I can apply them once every blue moon.
Finally if you have the time go watch the movie it is niche but good, thank you, keep up your work and have a nice day.
Ollam: That's a schlage primus...
LockPickingLaywer: nothing on 1, click on 2...
Can anyone give me some advice please
If you put thicker gauge strings in your guitar you will be able to lower your action way more, even though it sounds counter intuitive.
technology connections always end up in my yt vids
49:45 IS THAT GUN JESUS FW?
Bro i dont wanna be mean but u rly shouldnt put ice in a whsiky. Try some waterdrops (maybe not the american chlored water) and taste the flavor opening :)
it depends on the whiskey.
There's only one way to drink whisky correctly: However tastes good for you.
If u feel like doing who am i to command you into any diffrent way. Just try it out.
I know hotel keepers that will give you cheaper whisky in case you order with ice. Just telling, no offence
38:55
CYA and never ask a new hire candidate their pronouns during an interview. Gender is a protected class and would be akin to asking someone their sexual orientation or age prior to hire and thus could put you in hot water, since that could easily be interpreted as discriminatory hiring practices.
Having an office culture encouraging others to share their pronouns in order to be welcoming to all is fine. Just leave it until after you've moved past the hiring process.
”this is the thing u need.”
" *ovik.life/3663-guide*
”Am I right?”
*"**3:15**"*
垃圾。
-Lord
Holy shit, nice Tatsuya Shirt!
i love that place so much.
I read all of those glennsham tweets and to be honest they weren't really that bad. Maybe a little callous in delivery but his points were valid. Some of the people whom he replied to we're actually much more racist and divisive than he was.
27:20 uuuhm no!
I am Dutch, credit cards aren’t that popular here. lol
fuck i read "career" as "camera"
Gutted
He spent a lot of time on paid internet "troll" that got the exact response the tweets were designed to elicit.
and it is effective in showing how some people can genuinely be a bunch of assholes. regardless of the intent of the author.
33:20 To be fair to him, that top right quote doesn't belong here. Being diverse is great, but performance and talent > forcecd diversity.
you are part of the problem.
Most of the talk was good. Got a little too woke pc policy there for me though.
Thank you for the talk. Motivational.
Lots of good leads.