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And the value of Pi, 3.14..., was established by the Roman Senate as a way of commemorating the liberation from Julius Caesar earlyon the morning of March 14. That's why circles are not exactly round. Damned Brutus caused an error in the 19th decimal place. This is why we have eclipses today. Revelation? You're welcome.
@@TheDavidlloydjoneswhat? Where did you get that from? I’m looking it up and not seeing anything about the Romans. Unless this is one big joke and I missed it.
Dude rmr some of them could predict this stuff right? Can u imagine some asshole timing an attack or raid during this thing? Absolutely raiding and pillaging for 4 or 6 mins? Bruh.
@@krakmynutz Yeah, of course some of them could. I'm talking about some rando farming in a field somewhere, not some king with his court and his priest-astronomers or whatever they had in his particular part of the world. These things were bad omens for a reason. And I could absolutely imagine some king or some astronomer turned bandit using it to their advantage 😂💀
I’ve always been curious about stuff like that. Did they mean a literal jaguar? It doesn’t look anything like a jaguar, so I would venture to guess some sort of spiritual jaguar, which most people don’t mean in the same sense as a flesh-and-blood jaguar, while also probably not thinking too hard about it
Omigosh I thought something was wrong with my eyes when I logged into TH-cam in different hours then I saw your thumbnail kept changing with first just the total eclipse, then with Rahu creeping out behind the sun then slowing devouring it! LOL so brilliant! In Korea we have the folklore of the Fire-dogs(Boolgae), which seems to be inspired by the Chinese Tiangou but not quite the same. The king of the Land of Darkness wanted light in his kingdom, so he ordered one of the ferocious Fire-dogs, named so because they can bite into fire, to bring the sun. But the sun was even hotter than fire, so the dog could not help but spit it out. Enraged, the king ordered another Fire-dog to bring the moon instead, but the moon was colder than ice and so the dog was forced to spit it out. The king still continues to send out the Fire-dogs to bring the sun or moon, hence the cause for solar and lunar eclipses. I remember feeling sorry for the dogs for having such a terrible boss😭
Can't believe you didn't mention Apophis trying to eat the sun god Ra in Egyptian mythology, that was the first thing that came to my mind. I did learn stuff about the Hindu (or Vedic) and Aztec religions, though, thanks.
The solar eclipse will not be visible from my place at all. So if the doomsday prophets didn't make such noise, I would have missed the devine intervention 😉 Thanks for this great video!
"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same god whe has endowed us with Sense, Reason and Intellect has intended us to forget their use." - Galileo Galilei
If god wanted to warn you he would have warned you, a traveler would have told you about the Eclipse that happened weeks earlier. Today you hear about it through the media.
In Philippine myths, our counterpart for Rahu are Laho (in Tagalog myths) and Lawu (in Kapampangan myths). They're believed to be some sort of a naga/serpentine dragons that devour the sun. Bakunawa (in Visayan myths), another naga, is the most well known counterpart of Rahu, but its myth is more associated with lunar eclipses, as the ancients believed that there used to be seven moons and Bakunawa had eaten six of them. The only way to shoo it away and prevent the last moon from being eaten is by sounding loud noises from drums and other stuff.
5:30 - incidentally the Sanskrit word for eclipse “grahana” also relates to eating. Rahu is said to eat or swallow the Sun but as Rahu does not have any body the Sun come out of the neck and continues.
I love your videos. They really have helped me change my relationship with religion since I deconstructed the beliefs I was raised with. It's comforting to know that it isn't an all-or-nothing thing and that I can interact with religious stories and rituals as a way to cope with and understand my relationship with the world rather than as a literal belief (and that's it's totally natural and part of our history to do so).
There was something so primal about the feeling during the eclipse, it was unlike any feeling I've ever felt before. It felt eerie and ominous and unsettling, but not frightening; a very amazing, unique feeling. My friends said the same about it. I can see why people thought the way they did about them. I wonder why it causes this type of feeling.
Mankind hasn't changed too much from ancient times, at my whatsapp family group my aunts posted some facebook and tiktok pages telling about doomsday, very bad lucky days and prayers to cast away evil spirits. 😵💫
Signed up for your class! Looking forward to it, I'm so glad it's at an accessible time for us Aussie viewers who'd like to join live, these things so rarely are.
Awesome! On your last point, there was a lot of discussion about eclipses in the middle ages as to whether they can be omens when they were mathematically predictable. One widespread conclusion was that since God is all knowing and created the universe, including the astronomical cycles which result in eclipses, he could have created the heavens in such a way that they could also be omens for events which were to occur far in the future (though not every eclipse had to be an omen). This view was held by many who argued for all sorts of astrological signs and effects while knowing that these things were natural and fully predictable. Love your content!
You only mentioned it in passing, but I'd be very interested to know which culture just decided decided, "well, Sun's having a bad day 🤷♀️." Like what are the vibes of the rest of their mythology? Because that sounds pretty chill 😂
It was cloudy and obscured at Niagara Falls but it was still cool to see everything get totally dark and just enjoy sharing the moment with a park full of people
And if the moon was visible prior to the eclipse, it could even look as though the moon was crashing into the sun. Which would also be a brown-pants day.
I scoffed at the doomsday people talking about the eclipse, but then the unusual earthquake hit in N.J., and briefly thought there may be something to it. I still doubt it is the end of the world. If I turn out to be wrong, we can debate it on Tuesday.
@@miguelatkinson I know. That's why I said only a second of a thought. I have experienced a few before in N.J.. Just that I watched a few people believe there is some connection between the eclipse, and earthquakes the night before for a laugh, then waking up to one made me wonder just for a minute. Another eclipse would happen around the edge of Africa in 7 years. Would be interesting to change a debate if I am wrong, and nothing happens except for a few car accidents from idiots who would try to look at it while driving.
Talking about a lot of cultures through history: In what remained of Yugoslavia in 1999 there was a solar eclipse And the government and all the media advised to not leave the house on that day due to a possibility of hazardous radiation and blindness And well, almost noone did.
I was there and I saw it happen with millions of people witnessing this amazing awesome event. It was so cool 😎. To see the sun disappear and all became dark and cold ! I can understand how some primitive nomads would b horrified by it and do some crazy things like “ human sacrifices “ to ask their gods to return the Sun ☀️! 😮
You say "he", but many Tzitzimime are feminine entities! The rattlesnake coming from the groin is, in part, phallic, but it can also represent menstrual blood, compare the symbolism there to the two serpents erupting from Coatlicue's neck as representations of blood spurts. Coatlicue, in fact, might be one of the Tzitzimime: I'm not sure if Nahuatl accounts specifically state that, but she, like a number of other goddesses like Tlatecuhtli, shares the eyes and mouths on joints, clawed hands and feet, and skeletal motifs, with the goddess itzpapalotl in particular being explicitly described as a Tzitzimitl: The Tzitzimime are less demons, and more a class of supernatural entities which includes certain deities, is my understanding. This ties into the broader pattern we see of Aztec/Nahua gods as not always having distinct identities and often sharing iconography and blending into one another's attributes with aspects, and in some interpretations, not even being actual entities, but rather personifications of natural forces or a singular monist energy source which I believe you covered in your Aztec religion video, though I've seen increasing criticism of that interpretation as of late: A more conservative way to look at it might be that "Teotl" means not just god, but any sort of supernatural being (like how "kami" works in Japanese religion), including what we'd call demons or spirits, but to the Nahuas wouldn't have nessacarily made that same distinction between gods and "lesser" entities. Fittingly, since they aren't quite demons, the Tzitzimime and related destructive goddesses and spirits (like the Cihuateteo, which I'll come back to) aren't nessacarily entirely malicious, even if they are destructive: The Tzitzimime protected women in childbirth, which too ties them to the Cihuateteo, as they were described as coming about when women died in childbirth. I've seen a few researchers publish papers, write books, or present conferences also noting how that ties into an interesting dichotomy of how all of these female goddess in this tzitzimime archetype, or "ghosts" get presented as often monstrous or destructive, and how women become the Cihuateteo when dying in childbirth (which to the Nahuas, was explictly compared to a battle, and dying in it to dying in battle or as a sacrifice), wheras men who died in battle had a much more pleasurable transformation in death as hummingbirds and butterflies accompanying the sun in a floral solar realm, suckling flowers. On that gender related note, it may indeed be that ALL Tzitzimime were female, not merely some: This is something I need to look into, but most publications I've seen on the Tzitzimime almost exclusively discuss them in the context of feminine traits, and from a cursory search I'm doing now, it seems like a common proposal is the idea that the Tzitzimime as male may have been more from the Spanish's recontextualization of them as "demons" in the early colonial period, but that there's reason to think they were almost entirely viewed as feminine in Prehispanic times. This is something both "The Devil and the Skirt" and "Tzitzimime and their Relatives as Enforcers of Social Control" bring up, for example, though the former paper also notes how male deities were adopted into Tzitzimime as a group at times. As a final thing, I'm glad you avoided a lot of the misconceptions that exist around sacrifices, the sun's rise and fall, and with the night and eclipses: A lot of even reputable sources get stuff mixed up with the 5 Suns Creation Myths, the Coatepec mountain myth, beliefs around the sun traveling to Mictlan during the night, the New Fire Ceremony and it's/eclipse's ties to the Tzitzimime, etc, which leads to some oversimplifications and conflation of a few different concepts and beliefs ("The sun needed sacrificed to rise or the world ended", for example: it gets the point across, but blends a lot of those aforementioned ideas together and isn't quite right!)
Atri is not just any human in the hindu lore he is one of the saptarsi ie one of the seven og sages believed to be taught in sagehood by none other than Shiva, Brahma and Saraswati themselves. And Rahu is what Swarbhanu's head becomes after he was decapitated by Mohini the only female Avatara/ or Swarupa of Vishnu by his Discuss the Sudarshana Chakra.
I'd like to hear more about positive aspects any cultures might have had with solar and/or lunar eclipses. For a book I'm working on, I developed the idea that a culture considered the moon to be interceding on behalf of the earth. This could be perceived as a positive, although one could interpret it as meaning intercession was necessary to prevent something bad from happening or as a warning that something bad could and might still happen unless changes are made. I also wonder how this might relate to magical systems.
Sounds like an interesting idea. In a way, the moon does have an intercessory role as it delivers us indirect light from the sun... but would that actually be interceding with the darkness on our behalf ?🤔
@@hope1575 In my writing the sun represents the Almighty universal creator, and for this culture bright sunlight represents examination and judgement. They have a believe in other sacred objects that act as intercessors during solar ceremonies representing the wheel of the year. One of these is the Soul Stone, which is the intercessor for all the people in the realm or diaspora who believe in their way. However, they also believe that the Moon acts as a Soul Stone for the Earth and everything on it as a whole. The Moon doesn't really intercede with darkness since they don't really worry about darkness as an entity, although the stars and constellations are important for their form of astrology. However, instead of predicting the future various alignments are used to prescribe the future.
An idea just off the top of my head: The Sun believes its light is always needed for life, that darkness is death, and so wants to cover the entire world in sunlight. Which would be bad. So the Moon has to occasionally block out the Sun's light during the day. This reminds the Sun that life can exist without constant light, and that darkness need not be feared. Although this does imply that the Moon is actually wiser than the Sun, when most cultures give the Sun supremacy. But it might be interesting to ponder.
It will cause the dreadfully superstitious to crawl out of their holes and begin causing trouble. And today, especially in America, there are multitudes of such people. They take every mathematically-inevitable event as meaning something dreadful-- something bad about those other bad people-- something ominous. Signs and portents, I tell you! Signs and portents!
Wait...hat about Ketu? Isn't he related to Rahu? Before screens (cathode ray tubes), the sky was what we watched, every day, every night. Never sat in the house staring a wall, listening to blather. Peeped turned inward, prayed and chanted, and for fun, the sky was the entertainment, the Grahas were grippers, cast of "As the World Turns"... the cosmic soap opera
Note that one of the photographs you have towards the beginning of this video has an elderly couple with eclipse glasses on and taking photos of the sun. Important to note: you can damage your camera as easily as you can your eyes by doing this. He should have the eclipse filter in front of the camera also
Thank you for what you do. After researching religion for years, as an ex-Catholic I've decided I'm more of a mix of agnostic theist and agnostic deist.i trust in God, but not in anything man in the realm of religion.
In Filipino mythology, there are different beings that cause the eclipse and other natural phenomena. In Bikol and Visayan myths, the dragon Bakunawa swallowed 6 out of the world's 7 moons, and it also causes eclipses, typhoons, and earthquakes. In Kapampangan myth, the Lawu, a giant dragon with bird, serpentine, and crocodilian features, devours the sun and the moon. In Bagobo myth, the giant dragon-like bird, Minokawa, is said to swallow the sun.
Stonehenge can be used as a solar calendar and they have discovered a circle of pits around the stones which seem to be a lunar calendar so combined they may have been used to predict eclipses.
In Philippine mythology, we have the Minokawa/ Minokaua, a giant bird-like being believed to be the cause of solar eclipse by our "mga ninuno" because it is trying to swallow the sun.
My favorite personal anecdote of religious thinking and modern thinking happening at the same time was back during the gamestop stock thing where if I had sold at the peak, (I didn't), I would have profited about 7 grand. So I went to gamestop and just bought A game, didn't ever plan on getting it before have barely played it since, I knew that the stock price was just being pumped by the hype not really squeezing any shorters and definitely not anywhere related to its actual buisness profitability, but decided "I have received and now I should give" because its just the natural order.
Waco has been having some absolutely massive storms after our eclipse, so I can’t imagine how at least a few ancient civilizations would have been handling a similar situation
As a person who learned that Talmudic passage yesterday, many scholars dismiss that it is talking about a solar eclipse as the timing is part of the natural cycle of the moving of the planets. They explain the saying which is literally translated as "when the sun is stricken" instead as a defect in the sun itself e.g. solar flares or sunspots.
That's impossible: there was absolutely no way for pre-Galilean astronomy to know about solar flares or sunspots: the sun is always too blindingly bright for human eyes to see sunspots (we have no record of or evidence to think anyone prior to Johannes Kepler using his pinhole method, knew sunpots existed); and solar flares & coronal ejections are entirely invisible to the human eye - even during a total eclipse, when coronal filaments and solar prominences become visible, you could never actually see flares (since they do not occur at visible wavelengths), or even CMEs (since they happen too slowly). The passage obviously refers plainly to eclipses. Don't project back onto past cultures to make them seem more sophisticated than they really were.
The nine deities tearing the sun apart in the codex could have been the Lords of the Night: Xiuhtecuhtli, Tezcatlipoca, Piltzintecuhtli, Centeotl/Cinteotl, Mictlantecuhtli, Chalchiuhtlicue, Tlazolteotl, Tepeyollotl, and Tlaloc.
"These late eclipses in the sun and moon portend no good to us. Though the wisdom of nature can reason it thus and thus, yet nature finds itself scourged by the sequent effects. Love cools, friendship falls off, brothers divide; in cities, mutinies; in countries, discord; in palaces, treason; and the bond cracked ‘twixt son and father." --Gloucester, King Lear I.2
I saw the movie Exhuma (or pamyo in Korean) recently. Korean shamanism features heavily in it, including multiple redirection rituals to move evil energy onto pig carcasses or even a live chicken.
1:51 No wonder Miura, creator of Berserk, utilized an Eclipse to represent a horrible sacrificial event with so much historical cultural precedent. The event involves one sacrificing that which is precious to them in a moment of profound despair. In exchange, one becomes a demon with great power. One of the demons responsible for the event refers to the branding of sacrifices as the “Invocation of Doom”. The tzitzimime sound very similar to the demons (referred to as Apostles) of Berserk, who devour the branded sacrifices during the Eclipse.
Armenian mythology said that the sun was being consumed by a giant dragon, called a vishap, and it was up to the storm God Vahagn to wrestle it into submission. I am glad that you mentioned at the end that the ancients were not stupid, they knew an eclipse was just the moon passing in front of the sun and many civilizations could predict them accurately. Very few religions actually take their stories completely literally. That’s more common among Abrahamic religions.
I'm trying to remember where I read about this, but briefly, the story about Joshua saying "Sun, stand still" is mistakenly translated. In Hebrew, that line is more accurately translated into English as "Sun, stop doing what you're doing." What does the Sun do? It moves, sure... but more importantly, it shines. Either action could be interpreted. Enter a bunch of scientists looking for historical eclipses to see if they correspond with known events like warfare and artistic portrayals. Using computer models, they found that an eclipse went through the valley in the Bible where Joshua fought that notorious battle. Now, the Bible isn't always clear about when events happen, but we can guess around a general time period, like "In the reign of King So-and-so." The year of this eclipse in this particular valley lines up with the Israelites entering the area and Joshua's battles. So either Joshua was educated enough in astronomy that he knew an eclipse would happen in that valley and planned to use the chaos to his advantage (one of many warlords throughout history to do this) or God caused a miracle that stopped the rotation of the Earth... or as my sister's religion just recently said as "a more scientific explanation," God froze time... because I guess too many educated kids pointed out that if the Earth's rotation stopped, that would be really, really bad. I dunno about anyone else, but Joshua seems cooler if he used education and science against his enemies, rather than being so bad at leading a war party that he has to call upon God for an assist.
My mom once persuaded my family not to join a festival because there was an eclipse when it happened. So yea, not that great of a thing to be completely scared of.
In Islam, there's specifically a prayer for when eclipses happened. In the hadith that have been discussed in the past, it is more of something that causes fear in man, rather than the end of the world itself. Though the arabs at the time associated eclipse as a sign of death.
@@V1m4n4quite the opposite. There was the Annular Solar Eclipse visible in Medina, Saudi Arabia on 27 January 632. The eclipse coincided with the death of Prophet Mohammad's son Ibrahim. The Prophet reportedly dismissed rumors that this was a miracle, stating that the Sun and the Moon are signs of God and that they are not eclipsed for the birth or death of any man. It made me think if he was imposter, he would have claimed a credit for this astronomical coincidence to boost his credibility among his followers, but Muhammad did not. It’s just one additional data point.
I wonder how many in history viewed it as a blessing/good luck symbol rather than apocalyptic. I certainly growing up have viewed them more that way in my own religious practices
Didn't the Mesoamericans know the patterns of the sun and moon though? Couldn't they predict eclipses in advance? What made them actually frightened of eclipses?
The netflix docuseries mentioned that the Macedonians thought eclipses were a good sign and the Persians thought it was bad. I'd be curious to know if the part about the Macedonians is true and if there are other cultures that believe the same
I don't intend to watch the stupid Netflix thingy ever, but I'm guessing they're misrepresenting the oracles at the onset of the battle of Gaugamela in 331 BCE. There was a LUNAR eclipse before the battle and both sides' oracles basically agreed that it was a portent for Darius' defeat.
I'm especially proud of how Muhammad ﷺ stopped his followers from believing in such superstitions and rather informing them that it's just a natural phenomenon.
The Balinese depiction of Sun-eating in the middle of this video and cropped for the thumbnail is not of Kala Rahu, but of Hanuman searching for his father (in most Indonesian versions, Hanuman is the son of Shiva). During searching he goes to the sun, not knowing what it is, and decides to eat it. The sun god Surya then tells Shiva about this.
@@animex8129 true to that... this is because Ramayana and Mahabharata has diverged from the original tradition since 1011 AD (900... something Anno Javanica)
@@gibrannicholau3447 well some say that what is considered patallok the under world in hinduism is actually indonesia as its postion exatly downwards from india and a king bali in the era of gods was exiled to indonesia what is now known as bali and there he setup various colonies its fascinating
The Nile drying up, the locusts , all the volcanos going off, the amount of natural disasters, the fall of Star Wars and the death of David Bowie, yup… a solar eclipse is probably just going to add to the inconvenient .
Talking about this being the fifth world with the fifth sun just reminded me of the fictional religions of Fifthism from the SCP foundation Wikipedia canon. I love the religions of the SCP wiki the most and could make for a video I would be interested in! I’ve heard this myth before and wondered if whoever wrote about fifthism knew about these types of myth. Also Esarhaddon… sounds a lot like S. R. Hadden from the movie contact. Also wonder if that’s intentional
I'm just asking myself what am I willing to let go of? Eclipse has been a symbol at the end of time. A symbol of a new era. It's the end but that doesn't mean it's a bad thing. What am I willing to let go of? What am I willing to be set free of?
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And the value of Pi, 3.14..., was established by the Roman Senate as a way of commemorating the liberation from Julius Caesar earlyon the morning of March 14.
That's why circles are not exactly round.
Damned Brutus caused an error in the 19th decimal place. This is why we have eclipses today.
Revelation? You're welcome.
@@TheDavidlloydjoneswhat? Where did you get that from? I’m looking it up and not seeing anything about the Romans. Unless this is one big joke and I missed it.
Its title is "The Revelation of Saint John the Divine".
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Experiencing an eclipse is by far the most awe-inspiring natural phenomena I've ever witnessed.
cringe didnt ask
@@Anstreki323 who asked you?
That’s because you haven’t seen a giant asteroid hit earth yet
@@TrafficPartyHatTest me. I did.
Completely agree. Was my first time seeing a total solar eclipse and it didn't even feel real. Felt like I was dreaming.
After seeing it for myself, I can absolutely understand how terrifying this must have been to ancient people who had no idea what was happening.
No idea? It's the modern scientific liars, misguiding you
@@WelcometoAmityUniversity-dw9vv tf are you talking about?
Dude rmr some of them could predict this stuff right? Can u imagine some asshole timing an attack or raid during this thing? Absolutely raiding and pillaging for 4 or 6 mins? Bruh.
@@krakmynutz Yeah, of course some of them could. I'm talking about some rando farming in a field somewhere, not some king with his court and his priest-astronomers or whatever they had in his particular part of the world. These things were bad omens for a reason.
And I could absolutely imagine some king or some astronomer turned bandit using it to their advantage
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@@WelcometoAmityUniversity-dw9vv the heck are you talking about?
I love the pixelation of the eclipse.
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When he said "ancient astronomers", my heart skip a beat. I thougt he was saying "ancient astronauts"....😅
catapulting men to the moon (results may not vary )
My dad grew up in Central Mexico in the 60's and it was still believed that an eclipse meant a giant jaguar was devouring the sun.
I like that better
I’ve always been curious about stuff like that. Did they mean a literal jaguar? It doesn’t look anything like a jaguar, so I would venture to guess some sort of spiritual jaguar, which most people don’t mean in the same sense as a flesh-and-blood jaguar, while also probably not thinking too hard about it
it’s okay, there are people out there who think a magic sky daddy made of bread grants their wishes and tortures people they don’t like for eternity.
@@AmeshaSpentaArmaitias edgy and cool as you sound, literally no one believes this. To say you’re straw manning would be an insult to straw.
A good time to be on the moon about right now and soak up some sun 😂
Omigosh I thought something was wrong with my eyes when I logged into TH-cam in different hours then I saw your thumbnail kept changing with first just the total eclipse, then with Rahu creeping out behind the sun then slowing devouring it! LOL so brilliant!
In Korea we have the folklore of the Fire-dogs(Boolgae), which seems to be inspired by the Chinese Tiangou but not quite the same. The king of the Land of Darkness wanted light in his kingdom, so he ordered one of the ferocious Fire-dogs, named so because they can bite into fire, to bring the sun. But the sun was even hotter than fire, so the dog could not help but spit it out. Enraged, the king ordered another Fire-dog to bring the moon instead, but the moon was colder than ice and so the dog was forced to spit it out. The king still continues to send out the Fire-dogs to bring the sun or moon, hence the cause for solar and lunar eclipses. I remember feeling sorry for the dogs for having such a terrible boss😭
Can't believe you didn't mention Apophis trying to eat the sun god Ra in Egyptian mythology, that was the first thing that came to my mind. I did learn stuff about the Hindu (or Vedic) and Aztec religions, though, thanks.
This is a video about mythology, and Apophis eating the sun god Ra does sometimes happen. Not every solar eclipse happens this way but it is real.
@@kittyr791 What? Are you being serious?
@@luizfellipe3291 yes, it’s been confirmed by NASA, it was a big news story back in late 2019 but COVID obviously took over the news at that point
@@kittyr791huh? Snakes don’t eat the sun we have. That’s crazy.
@@solidstorm6129 some of yalls parents didn’t teach you to honor the pharaoh and the gods and it shows
The solar eclipse will not be visible from my place at all.
So if the doomsday prophets didn't make such noise, I would have missed the devine intervention 😉
Thanks for this great video!
"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same god whe has endowed us with Sense, Reason and Intellect has intended us to forget their use." - Galileo Galilei
@@MH-ns3bh - I really hope that quote is real!
If god wanted to warn you he would have warned you, a traveler would have told you about the Eclipse that happened weeks earlier. Today you hear about it through the media.
Divine.
In Philippine myths, our counterpart for Rahu are Laho (in Tagalog myths) and Lawu (in Kapampangan myths). They're believed to be some sort of a naga/serpentine dragons that devour the sun.
Bakunawa (in Visayan myths), another naga, is the most well known counterpart of Rahu, but its myth is more associated with lunar eclipses, as the ancients believed that there used to be seven moons and Bakunawa had eaten six of them. The only way to shoo it away and prevent the last moon from being eaten is by sounding loud noises from drums and other stuff.
I took your last class and it was excellent. Thank you for tackling these interesting and challenging subjects. I’m excited for the next class! 🙂
5:30 - incidentally the Sanskrit word for eclipse “grahana” also relates to eating. Rahu is said to eat or swallow the Sun but as Rahu does not have any body the Sun come out of the neck and continues.
I love your videos. They really have helped me change my relationship with religion since I deconstructed the beliefs I was raised with. It's comforting to know that it isn't an all-or-nothing thing and that I can interact with religious stories and rituals as a way to cope with and understand my relationship with the world rather than as a literal belief (and that's it's totally natural and part of our history to do so).
🙏 😅😢yesz❤😊
Celebrate being human 🎉
Glad to hear I’m not alone on this path. Syncretic is the way to go! Keep it up!
There was something so primal about the feeling during the eclipse, it was unlike any feeling I've ever felt before. It felt eerie and ominous and unsettling, but not frightening; a very amazing, unique feeling. My friends said the same about it. I can see why people thought the way they did about them. I wonder why it causes this type of feeling.
Mankind hasn't changed too much from ancient times, at my whatsapp family group my aunts posted some facebook and tiktok pages telling about doomsday, very bad lucky days and prayers to cast away evil spirits. 😵💫
Reply today and laugh about the world going on unchanged by their ridiculous beliefs 😅
Andrew, you are a scholar and a gentleman.
and a bit of a cutie ngl
Signed up for your class! Looking forward to it, I'm so glad it's at an accessible time for us Aussie viewers who'd like to join live, these things so rarely are.
Glad to hear it! Pour one out for me waking up at 3:30 AM to capture both the American and Australian audiences while I'm streaming from Turkey.
The sky forgot to pay the bill
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new myth just dropped
bcs of cosmic inflation :)
@@dogukan7406Jeez is that why pluto is not a planet now
Awesome! On your last point, there was a lot of discussion about eclipses in the middle ages as to whether they can be omens when they were mathematically predictable. One widespread conclusion was that since God is all knowing and created the universe, including the astronomical cycles which result in eclipses, he could have created the heavens in such a way that they could also be omens for events which were to occur far in the future (though not every eclipse had to be an omen). This view was held by many who argued for all sorts of astrological signs and effects while knowing that these things were natural and fully predictable.
Love your content!
Excellent video as usual, thanks for posting.
This was a fascinating and timely video. Thanks for all the work and research that went into it.
Saw it. Totality. Very cool. Sadly my camera was totally incapable of capturing the majesty, so memory will do.
You only mentioned it in passing, but I'd be very interested to know which culture just decided decided, "well, Sun's having a bad day 🤷♀️." Like what are the vibes of the rest of their mythology? Because that sounds pretty chill 😂
Can’t believe I just saw this today in Cleveland for 4 minutes. Still speechless. It was both beautiful and deeply disturbing
Bro's wearing an Abraxas shirt WOOOO
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It was cloudy and obscured at Niagara Falls but it was still cool to see everything get totally dark and just enjoy sharing the moment with a park full of people
I remeber seeing the 2017 Solar eclipse and it was incredible. I can see why ancient cultures saw it as something apocalyptic
Especially if you weren't expecting it and the sun just...went out.
@@ReligionForBreakfastyea man, I was blown away by how dark it got
Primitive cultures and Republicans. See MTG calling it a sign from God
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And if the moon was visible prior to the eclipse, it could even look as though the moon was crashing into the sun. Which would also be a brown-pants day.
The nice thing about Doomsday predictions is that something bad will allways happen
so you can never be proven completely wrong
I would love to see a video going through your entire book collection
Thanks for this. Enjoy the eclipse if you see it. 🌝🌞
Enjoy the eclipse but protect your eyes. Don't look directly at the sun with eclipse glasses.
@@rebeccaorman1823 - Don't look WITHOUT eclipse glasses! ^_^
Just don't look directly at it at all. You really want to trust some "eclipse glasses" to prevent permanent vision damage?
I scoffed at the doomsday people talking about the eclipse, but then the unusual earthquake hit in N.J., and briefly thought there may be something to it. I still doubt it is the end of the world. If I turn out to be wrong, we can debate it on Tuesday.
There's nothing to it earthquakes happen all the time
You are much less intelligent than you suspect you are
You know earthquakes happen all the time, right? They are a terrible sign of the end times.
@@vickiehow-exactly. That’s why I said “terrible”. As in, they are not good or poor of quality.
@@miguelatkinson I know. That's why I said only a second of a thought. I have experienced a few before in N.J.. Just that I watched a few people believe there is some connection between the eclipse, and earthquakes the night before for a laugh, then waking up to one made me wonder just for a minute. Another eclipse would happen around the edge of Africa in 7 years. Would be interesting to change a debate if I am wrong, and nothing happens except for a few car accidents from idiots who would try to look at it while driving.
I had a book called Fairy and Folk tales from around the World. There was a version of the Fith Sun in it.
Loved that book very much.
Talking about a lot of cultures through history:
In what remained of Yugoslavia in 1999 there was a solar eclipse
And the government and all the media advised to not leave the house on that day due to a possibility of hazardous radiation and blindness
And well, almost noone did.
Excellent video. Keep up the good work.
I was there and I saw it happen with millions of people witnessing this amazing awesome event.
It was so cool 😎.
To see the sun disappear and all became dark and cold !
I can understand how some primitive nomads would b horrified by it and do some crazy things like “ human sacrifices “ to ask their gods to return the Sun ☀️!
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You say "he", but many Tzitzimime are feminine entities! The rattlesnake coming from the groin is, in part, phallic, but it can also represent menstrual blood, compare the symbolism there to the two serpents erupting from Coatlicue's neck as representations of blood spurts. Coatlicue, in fact, might be one of the Tzitzimime: I'm not sure if Nahuatl accounts specifically state that, but she, like a number of other goddesses like Tlatecuhtli, shares the eyes and mouths on joints, clawed hands and feet, and skeletal motifs, with the goddess itzpapalotl in particular being explicitly described as a Tzitzimitl: The Tzitzimime are less demons, and more a class of supernatural entities which includes certain deities, is my understanding.
This ties into the broader pattern we see of Aztec/Nahua gods as not always having distinct identities and often sharing iconography and blending into one another's attributes with aspects, and in some interpretations, not even being actual entities, but rather personifications of natural forces or a singular monist energy source which I believe you covered in your Aztec religion video, though I've seen increasing criticism of that interpretation as of late: A more conservative way to look at it might be that "Teotl" means not just god, but any sort of supernatural being (like how "kami" works in Japanese religion), including what we'd call demons or spirits, but to the Nahuas wouldn't have nessacarily made that same distinction between gods and "lesser" entities.
Fittingly, since they aren't quite demons, the Tzitzimime and related destructive goddesses and spirits (like the Cihuateteo, which I'll come back to) aren't nessacarily entirely malicious, even if they are destructive: The Tzitzimime protected women in childbirth, which too ties them to the Cihuateteo, as they were described as coming about when women died in childbirth. I've seen a few researchers publish papers, write books, or present conferences also noting how that ties into an interesting dichotomy of how all of these female goddess in this tzitzimime archetype, or "ghosts" get presented as often monstrous or destructive, and how women become the Cihuateteo when dying in childbirth (which to the Nahuas, was explictly compared to a battle, and dying in it to dying in battle or as a sacrifice), wheras men who died in battle had a much more pleasurable transformation in death as hummingbirds and butterflies accompanying the sun in a floral solar realm, suckling flowers.
On that gender related note, it may indeed be that ALL Tzitzimime were female, not merely some: This is something I need to look into, but most publications I've seen on the Tzitzimime almost exclusively discuss them in the context of feminine traits, and from a cursory search I'm doing now, it seems like a common proposal is the idea that the Tzitzimime as male may have been more from the Spanish's recontextualization of them as "demons" in the early colonial period, but that there's reason to think they were almost entirely viewed as feminine in Prehispanic times. This is something both "The Devil and the Skirt" and "Tzitzimime and their Relatives as Enforcers of Social Control" bring up, for example, though the former paper also notes how male deities were adopted into Tzitzimime as a group at times.
As a final thing, I'm glad you avoided a lot of the misconceptions that exist around sacrifices, the sun's rise and fall, and with the night and eclipses: A lot of even reputable sources get stuff mixed up with the 5 Suns Creation Myths, the Coatepec mountain myth, beliefs around the sun traveling to Mictlan during the night, the New Fire Ceremony and it's/eclipse's ties to the Tzitzimime, etc, which leads to some oversimplifications and conflation of a few different concepts and beliefs ("The sun needed sacrificed to rise or the world ended", for example: it gets the point across, but blends a lot of those aforementioned ideas together and isn't quite right!)
Most stuff about the tzitzimeh is from random books and chapters from the florentine codex.
Second most beautiful thing I’ve seen in my life
Atri is not just any human in the hindu lore he is one of the saptarsi ie one of the seven og sages believed to be taught in sagehood by none other than Shiva, Brahma and Saraswati themselves. And Rahu is what Swarbhanu's head becomes after he was decapitated by Mohini the only female Avatara/ or Swarupa of Vishnu by his Discuss the Sudarshana Chakra.
Great video, love the shirt.i just received mine. Looks great.
I'd like to hear more about positive aspects any cultures might have had with solar and/or lunar eclipses. For a book I'm working on, I developed the idea that a culture considered the moon to be interceding on behalf of the earth. This could be perceived as a positive, although one could interpret it as meaning intercession was necessary to prevent something bad from happening or as a warning that something bad could and might still happen unless changes are made. I also wonder how this might relate to magical systems.
Sounds like an interesting idea. In a way, the moon does have an intercessory role as it delivers us indirect light from the sun... but would that actually be interceding with the darkness on our behalf ?🤔
@@hope1575 In my writing the sun represents the Almighty universal creator, and for this culture bright sunlight represents examination and judgement. They have a believe in other sacred objects that act as intercessors during solar ceremonies representing the wheel of the year. One of these is the Soul Stone, which is the intercessor for all the people in the realm or diaspora who believe in their way. However, they also believe that the Moon acts as a Soul Stone for the Earth and everything on it as a whole.
The Moon doesn't really intercede with darkness since they don't really worry about darkness as an entity, although the stars and constellations are important for their form of astrology. However, instead of predicting the future various alignments are used to prescribe the future.
An idea just off the top of my head: The Sun believes its light is always needed for life, that darkness is death, and so wants to cover the entire world in sunlight. Which would be bad. So the Moon has to occasionally block out the Sun's light during the day. This reminds the Sun that life can exist without constant light, and that darkness need not be feared.
Although this does imply that the Moon is actually wiser than the Sun, when most cultures give the Sun supremacy. But it might be interesting to ponder.
It will cause the dreadfully superstitious to crawl out of their holes and begin causing trouble.
And today, especially in America, there are multitudes of such people. They take every mathematically-inevitable event as meaning something dreadful-- something bad about those other bad people-- something ominous. Signs and portents, I tell you! Signs and portents!
History: Where have you seen this before? 😮😮😮😮😮😮😮
@@عليياسر-ف4ن9ك Where have I seen what before?
Wait...hat about Ketu? Isn't he related to Rahu? Before screens (cathode ray tubes), the sky was what we watched, every day, every night. Never sat in the house staring a wall, listening to blather. Peeped turned inward, prayed and chanted, and for fun, the sky was the entertainment, the Grahas were grippers, cast of "As the World Turns"... the cosmic soap opera
the Aztec eclispe tale is a great example of backstabbing
Note that one of the photographs you have towards the beginning of this video has an elderly couple with eclipse glasses on and taking photos of the sun. Important to note: you can damage your camera as easily as you can your eyes by doing this. He should have the eclipse filter in front of the camera also
Thank you for what you do. After researching religion for years, as an ex-Catholic I've decided I'm more of a mix of agnostic theist and agnostic deist.i trust in God, but not in anything man in the realm of religion.
That thumbnail is Bhatara kala, the Giant Monster in javanese / sundanese / balinese culture who eat sun/moon when eclipse.
It's clearly the end of . . . eyesight for some.
protect your retinas folks.
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In Filipino mythology, there are different beings that cause the eclipse and other natural phenomena. In Bikol and Visayan myths, the dragon Bakunawa swallowed 6 out of the world's 7 moons, and it also causes eclipses, typhoons, and earthquakes. In Kapampangan myth, the Lawu, a giant dragon with bird, serpentine, and crocodilian features, devours the sun and the moon. In Bagobo myth, the giant dragon-like bird, Minokawa, is said to swallow the sun.
i studied pre-colombian mesoamérica for most of my degree and always get nervous when ppl bring up the triple alliance but you crushed it
Thank you for this, Dr. Henry. This is great...dare I say...ILLUMINATING? 😜 Oh, and FWIW, I like the way your hair looks in this video. 😊
Well timed video... ✌️🤓✌️
The world still here dawg😊
Wow! The "Human" mind worked overtime like something out of "Fiction". Thank God for my mind. Common Sense is something I'm glad I still have.
Webinar booked.
Fascinating, as always
In Norse mythology, Skoll and Hati are two wolves who chase the sun and moon respectively, and will finally devour them at Ragnarok.
Stonehenge can be used as a solar calendar and they have discovered a circle of pits around the stones which seem to be a lunar calendar so combined they may have been used to predict eclipses.
The antikythera device predicted eclipses, idk about solar but definitely lunar.
Small note on Codex Borgia: it's pronounced with d-zh, after the infamous Florentine family
Laughed so hard I spit my coffee out 😂 1:38
Will be showing this in class on Wednesday!
What class are you teaching?
@xaayer
Math class.🐒
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@@richardgipson4454😂 he did, he watched it.
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In Philippine mythology, we have the Minokawa/ Minokaua, a giant bird-like being believed to be the cause of solar eclipse by our "mga ninuno" because it is trying to swallow the sun.
That TV MA part made me laugh.
My favorite personal anecdote of religious thinking and modern thinking happening at the same time was back during the gamestop stock thing where if I had sold at the peak, (I didn't), I would have profited about 7 grand. So I went to gamestop and just bought A game, didn't ever plan on getting it before have barely played it since, I knew that the stock price was just being pumped by the hype not really squeezing any shorters and definitely not anywhere related to its actual buisness profitability, but decided "I have received and now I should give" because its just the natural order.
Yeah, they’re still people who think this is the end of the world.
Waco has been having some absolutely massive storms after our eclipse, so I can’t imagine how at least a few ancient civilizations would have been handling a similar situation
As a person who learned that Talmudic passage yesterday, many scholars dismiss that it is talking about a solar eclipse as the timing is part of the natural cycle of the moving of the planets. They explain the saying which is literally translated as "when the sun is stricken" instead as a defect in the sun itself e.g. solar flares or sunspots.
That's impossible: there was absolutely no way for pre-Galilean astronomy to know about solar flares or sunspots: the sun is always too blindingly bright for human eyes to see sunspots (we have no record of or evidence to think anyone prior to Johannes Kepler using his pinhole method, knew sunpots existed); and solar flares & coronal ejections are entirely invisible to the human eye - even during a total eclipse, when coronal filaments and solar prominences become visible, you could never actually see flares (since they do not occur at visible wavelengths), or even CMEs (since they happen too slowly).
The passage obviously refers plainly to eclipses. Don't project back onto past cultures to make them seem more sophisticated than they really were.
love the Abraxis shirt!
I hope you eventually make an episode on the Trinity, that's something I find hard to understand.
The nine deities tearing the sun apart in the codex could have been the Lords of the Night: Xiuhtecuhtli, Tezcatlipoca, Piltzintecuhtli, Centeotl/Cinteotl, Mictlantecuhtli, Chalchiuhtlicue, Tlazolteotl, Tepeyollotl, and Tlaloc.
Damn Shortie the games be crazy
Interesting stuff 👍👍
"These late eclipses in the sun and moon
portend no good to us. Though the wisdom of
nature can reason it thus and thus, yet nature finds
itself scourged by the sequent effects. Love cools,
friendship falls off, brothers divide; in cities, mutinies;
in countries, discord; in palaces, treason; and
the bond cracked ‘twixt son and father." --Gloucester, King Lear I.2
I saw the movie Exhuma (or pamyo in Korean) recently. Korean shamanism features heavily in it, including multiple redirection rituals to move evil energy onto pig carcasses or even a live chicken.
1:51 No wonder Miura, creator of Berserk, utilized an Eclipse to represent a horrible sacrificial event with so much historical cultural precedent. The event involves one sacrificing that which is precious to them in a moment of profound despair. In exchange, one becomes a demon with great power. One of the demons responsible for the event refers to the branding of sacrifices as the “Invocation of Doom”. The tzitzimime sound very similar to the demons (referred to as Apostles) of Berserk, who devour the branded sacrifices during the Eclipse.
Excellent video thank you 🎉
Armenian mythology said that the sun was being consumed by a giant dragon, called a vishap, and it was up to the storm God Vahagn to wrestle it into submission. I am glad that you mentioned at the end that the ancients were not stupid, they knew an eclipse was just the moon passing in front of the sun and many civilizations could predict them accurately. Very few religions actually take their stories completely literally. That’s more common among Abrahamic religions.
I'm trying to remember where I read about this, but briefly, the story about Joshua saying "Sun, stand still" is mistakenly translated. In Hebrew, that line is more accurately translated into English as "Sun, stop doing what you're doing." What does the Sun do? It moves, sure... but more importantly, it shines. Either action could be interpreted. Enter a bunch of scientists looking for historical eclipses to see if they correspond with known events like warfare and artistic portrayals. Using computer models, they found that an eclipse went through the valley in the Bible where Joshua fought that notorious battle. Now, the Bible isn't always clear about when events happen, but we can guess around a general time period, like "In the reign of King So-and-so." The year of this eclipse in this particular valley lines up with the Israelites entering the area and Joshua's battles.
So either Joshua was educated enough in astronomy that he knew an eclipse would happen in that valley and planned to use the chaos to his advantage (one of many warlords throughout history to do this) or God caused a miracle that stopped the rotation of the Earth... or as my sister's religion just recently said as "a more scientific explanation," God froze time... because I guess too many educated kids pointed out that if the Earth's rotation stopped, that would be really, really bad. I dunno about anyone else, but Joshua seems cooler if he used education and science against his enemies, rather than being so bad at leading a war party that he has to call upon God for an assist.
It’s neat that in the Mezoamerican paintings at 5:45, the moon is depicted as a crescent with a face, just like in European Art.
My mom once persuaded my family not to join a festival because there was an eclipse when it happened. So yea, not that great of a thing to be completely scared of.
In Islam, there's specifically a prayer for when eclipses happened. In the hadith that have been discussed in the past, it is more of something that causes fear in man, rather than the end of the world itself. Though the arabs at the time associated eclipse as a sign of death.
so, not more different than other religions then
@@V1m4n4quite the opposite.
There was the Annular Solar Eclipse visible in Medina, Saudi Arabia on 27 January 632. The eclipse coincided with the death of Prophet Mohammad's son Ibrahim. The Prophet reportedly dismissed rumors that this was a miracle, stating that the Sun and the Moon are signs of God and that they are not eclipsed for the birth or death of any man.
It made me think if he was imposter, he would have claimed a credit for this astronomical coincidence to boost his credibility among his followers, but Muhammad did not.
It’s just one additional data point.
Random question, but what translation of the Vishnu Purana is that? It’s really well done.
Don’t you just hate it when you silver hair friend brings out a weirdly shaped human faced egg.
Operation locate Casca and hide her expeditiously underway
I wonder how many in history viewed it as a blessing/good luck symbol rather than apocalyptic. I certainly growing up have viewed them more that way in my own religious practices
Didn't the Mesoamericans know the patterns of the sun and moon though? Couldn't they predict eclipses in advance? What made them actually frightened of eclipses?
Mesoamericans? Wtf? You mean Ancient Central Americans.
My fourth but my first total eclipse.
The snake imagery makes sense as the remaining light during totality makes the ground you stand on appear as if it’s moving in waves like many snakes.
The netflix docuseries mentioned that the Macedonians thought eclipses were a good sign and the Persians thought it was bad. I'd be curious to know if the part about the Macedonians is true and if there are other cultures that believe the same
I don't intend to watch the stupid Netflix thingy ever, but I'm guessing they're misrepresenting the oracles at the onset of the battle of Gaugamela in 331 BCE. There was a LUNAR eclipse before the battle and both sides' oracles basically agreed that it was a portent for Darius' defeat.
The science-challenged still exist. I saw some YT posts a few days ago blaming the coming eclipse for the New Jersey earthquake! >_
I'm especially proud of how Muhammad ﷺ stopped his followers from believing in such superstitions and rather informing them that it's just a natural phenomenon.
yey! ^_^ i missed the eclipes cause it stormed in texas when it passed over us
A freaking ancient indian man just described it perfectly wth 😮
The Balinese depiction of Sun-eating in the middle of this video and cropped for the thumbnail is not of Kala Rahu, but of Hanuman searching for his father (in most Indonesian versions, Hanuman is the son of Shiva). During searching he goes to the sun, not knowing what it is, and decides to eat it. The sun god Surya then tells Shiva about this.
Well he is avatar of shiva not son and he was stopped by indra god of thunder who use his vajra (thunder bolt )on him
@@animex8129 true to that... this is because Ramayana and Mahabharata has diverged from the original tradition since 1011 AD (900... something Anno Javanica)
@@animex8129 in the Javanese version my seniors passed down to me, he is stopped by Surya himself
But regarding Hanuman, in Indonesia it's the other way around, son of Shiva avatar of Vayu... that is why his other name here is Bayukinara
@@gibrannicholau3447 well some say that what is considered patallok the under world in hinduism is actually indonesia as its postion exatly downwards from india and a king bali in the era of gods was exiled to indonesia what is now known as bali and there he setup various colonies its fascinating
Good to see Marjorie Taylor Greene and Alex Jones keeping tradition alive 🙄
Great stuff! Human superstitions are fascinating.
watching this as there are clouds in the sky covering the eclipse lol. I got some decent peeks at it so im satisfied
The Nile drying up, the locusts , all the volcanos going off, the amount of natural disasters, the fall of Star Wars and the death of David Bowie, yup… a solar eclipse is probably just going to add to the inconvenient .
Seems accurate given the present economic geo-political environment.
Can you do a follow up video about the cultures that viewed solar eclipses as positive phenomena?
Talking about this being the fifth world with the fifth sun just reminded me of the fictional religions of Fifthism from the SCP foundation Wikipedia canon. I love the religions of the SCP wiki the most and could make for a video I would be interested in! I’ve heard this myth before and wondered if whoever wrote about fifthism knew about these types of myth. Also Esarhaddon… sounds a lot like S. R. Hadden from the movie contact. Also wonder if that’s intentional
I'm just asking myself what am I willing to let go of?
Eclipse has been a symbol at the end of time. A symbol of a new era.
It's the end but that doesn't mean it's a bad thing. What am I willing to let go of? What am I willing to be set free of?
I saw the first word of the title and the thumbnail and my first thought was "Eclipses can run DOOM?"
I have no clue what I was thinking lol