In the video you mentioned a larger OBJ lens number gives you a larger FOV. It's the opposite, a larger number doesn't give you a larger field of view, it gives you a much smaller FOV but more distance. A smaller 19mm lens will give you a much larger field of view then say a 45 mm lens but you can't reach as far. The smaller 19/ 25mm lens with a larger FOV is the way to go if you hunt pigs coyotes that are on the move. A larger 45mm lens with a smaller FOV is great for hunting deer at distance while sitting in a stand etc....
I thought so too so I bought a v2 35-384 and the screen doesn't work below 10 degrees. So its useless for half of my hunting season. Agm Customer service wasn't any help either.
@@anthonycook8431 couldnt you just keep the scope inside your coat before you use it to keep it warm OR throw a couple handwarmers on it? honest question
4:30 The use of proprietary batteries is a deal breaker for me. While better than non-replaceable batteries, proprietary batteries always have issues with cost and availability. These units are not replaced like cell phones. I have a late 1990s NVD that is still usable because it takes AA batteries. The V1 models will be usable 20 years from now with their 123 batteries. Will the V2s work then? Will USB power be their only option as the batteries wear out with no replacements? It's planned obsolescence. I'd love to be wrong, but am afraid I'm not. The V1s can already take rechargeable 123s. Sticking with that would have been the way to go IMHO.
I opted for the AGM Varmint LRF TS50-640. For $700 more you get the built in laser range finder and it works great. My first night hog hunts were an amazing time. This is my first thermal and I could not be happier with the quality. For those of you shooting 300BO sub sonics, remember these two things: 1 - you can NOT obtain DOF when looking through a thermal scope. 2 - The bullet drop of a 220gr sub sonic round is ~15 inches at 150 yards. The range finder is a savior at distance!
All very good points. Maybe AGM would let me look at those at some point. I agree the added range finder is a big deal especially with subs. Thansk for watching!
Most man hunter ( mil spec) reticles have a 28" spread at 100m ( avg military sized mans sholder width ) eg acog Christmas tree is a range finder. match his shoulders to a line that matches and that is how far he is . For the outdoorsman same same but a typical deers ribcage.
Yes if one has money growing off trees 🌳 by all means by the Bently or the $4,000 dollar unit instead of the $1200 hundred dollar unit with a hundred dollar hand held lrf. I mean if I can afford a Lamborghini I'd prefer that over my 06 explorer
I have 2 of the Varmint LRF TS50-640’s. Had to get one for my wife to join me on hunting hogs and coyotes. They are great thermals. LRF is a must for hunting at night at least in my option. It’s so hard to tell distance looking through a thermal. I have noticed that when the dew point is high and there is a lot of moisture in the air that it will slightly reduce clarity or the crispness in the picture detail. When I bought my first one it came with a free FatBoy traverse tripod. A 700 dollar tripod free is a no brained. B&H photo has the best deal going right now. Love watching your content.
It would be nice if one channel on TH-cam would actually show the V2 ts25 or 19 in (-256 ), considering that's the one 90 % of us can actually afford. No point in seeing the higher-end sensors when only 10% of their customers can afford them ..
Nice! Thinking about adding one of these next, just for the extended battery life, compared to my V1, and keep the V1 as a backup/loaner. But I’m still loving my AGM Rattler V1 TS50-640 thermal. I’ve got it sitting on my 16” Christensen Arms MPR in 6 ARC. 😏👍🏼
Love the vid and the info! I intend to get one in the near future, but a TC model. I would love to see a vid on those showing how to adjust the screen to the optic and what power scopes can and can not be used with the TC model.
I know the video gets compressed and its not like actually looking down the sights but for about max 300 yards what would you recommend? For Coyotes and such up here in North East AL
if you went down to the agm v2 25 256 would it still be good or do you save your pennies and wait till you can get the v2 384? I am first time buyer. Also looking at the atn thor 4
Definitely not a window, a screen maybe. Remember the way these work is they see heat. So a window looks like a solid wall through these as the window prevents the unit from “seeing” any heat beyond the window. Thanks for watching!
@@hopewilliams6705 The sightmark Wraith Mini in Thermal is $2 thousand dollars not $449. You must be looking at wraith mini in nv with an IR light, not thermal. and those aren't no comparison to what he's reviewing here with thermal scopes... Digital NV is basically a camera converted into a nv scope so long as you have a bright IR light turned on for the world to see. With thermal nobody sees you at all, animals people nobody 👍🏼
AGM Rattler V2 - known in the rest of the world as the HiK Micro Thunder v2. The V2 50-640 that's on AGMs website for $4944 is available in the UK for less than $2800. These scopes are made in China by HIK so you are being ripped off by a US company
@@mauganra2589 No I wasn't -these scope were on sale in the UK new with a full manufacturers warranty for GB pounds 2150 - that's close enough to $2800 as makes no difference HIK also recently did a sale of refurbished models that came with a one year warranty and they sold for $1950 Like I say, AGM are ripping you off big time
great review, I just have a couple of quick questions, can this be monitored with an ipad ? and also, where did you get the tripod mount? does it come with that?
If you can find a stl file for what you need, I can print it. I just got a 3d printer but I’m still learning how to design. I’m assuming it would be best to be able to mount the battery holder to the gun itself out of the way if it’s possible
@@Farrow2332 along the stock kind of like a shotgun shell holder would seem a good place to start. Lowest profile batter would be best. Need to figure out what voltage these scopes use. 18/20V tool batteries might need an inverter or alteration. A hobby grade RC car battery might be better too.
Really good video. But…. Would’ve been nice to see what the images looked like zoomed in as well as images of something at differing distances. Like a deer at 300 yards at the base magnification and zoomed in to max magnification, as an example. But still good video.
@@AlabamaArsenal Yeah, everything is at least 100° at all times. It all blends together. It’s only useful in recovery missions where the body is slightly colder than the desert if they happen to pass in the shade.
Sir, what you’re seeing is thermal delta. If an animal is the same temp as his surroundings there’s reduced fidelity. Often times the desert animals will be cooler than the surroundings, as well. Just have to know when your thermal crossovers are and keep that in mind for target acquisition. Happy hunting and love your channel.
Not these particular ones, but AGM does make Rattler models that will. Commonly called "clip ons" as they essentially clip on to your existing optic. Thanks for watching!
Ive personally done that out to about 300, I actually plan to try and push that farther for the next video. I want to see if we can identify targets and engage them out to at least 500, so we shall see. You. may even be able to go farther but I haven't tried, I will also say that's really where the 640 with the sharper image is going to help too. Thanks for watching, and I should have that next video up in about 4-6 weeks so stay tuned.
@@AlabamaArsenal can’t wait, thanks for the information! Love your video style, been a subscriber for a long time. Hoping to get a thermal for coyote hunting, eyeing these or a Leica.
Yeah that can go either way, the old Rattler took CR123s but you only got like 4 hours of battery life without an external battery pack, which most people ran. It always seems like you’re having to choose between a commonly available battery or long battery life and valid arguments can be made either way. AGM does have different models that take standardized batteries. Thanks for watching!
The fild of view comparisons at 2:02 , 2:40 and 7:30max picture (min zoom). Why not turn them all to the same zoom for an accurate comparison of what the bigger objective lenz dose , we are paying (just a gess) $1k /cm bigger. it would be nice to know before popping out that much cheddar for what in your vid appears to be ⅓less fild for a 25mm bigger objective lenz. 3rd repeat of same shot would have been nice for a max zoom comparison wile discussing the image quality. Just a tip and only for a moment._. Maby for the indepth full length review vid. Looking forward to it.
Those are in a completely different price category and they're clip ons. Personally I could never own one of those, I'm sure they're great for the people that can afford them. For me the AGM units are phenomenal and more in my budget. Thanks for watching!
Rattler V1 is better than V2 for 1 important reason, it uses CR123 and if you need more run time use an external power bank. I won't buy anything with a built in or proprietary battery. Look what they did with cell phones. I could buy a new battery for my old phone (that still works) for $14. New phone with built in battery went bad I had to buy a new phone for $1,000. That's not an improvement, it's a way to get MO MONEY for these companies
If you need to accurately calculate dope to make an ethical shot definitely. So like if you're shooting a supersonic pretty far, or a subsonic at varying distances I would definitely look into it. Thanks for watching!
If your hunting within 125 yards and in the 256 model will do the trick. No the video isn’t as exciting but it will cost $800-$1000 and you will be able to do the same thing, shoot your quarry. I have v2 19-256 and I can see feral cats sneaking around at 250 ft away easily.
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In the video you mentioned a larger OBJ lens number gives you a larger FOV. It's the opposite, a larger number doesn't give you a larger field of view, it gives you a much smaller FOV but more distance. A smaller 19mm lens will give you a much larger field of view then say a 45 mm lens but you can't reach as far. The smaller 19/ 25mm lens with a larger FOV is the way to go if you hunt pigs coyotes that are on the move. A larger 45mm lens with a smaller FOV is great for hunting deer at distance while sitting in a stand etc....
I’m glad someone said it. Definitely want a larger field of view for coyotes in my experience.
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Really appreciate that man! Thanks for watching!
Those rattlers are the best bang for your buck optics out right now
They really are impressive. Thanks for watching!
I thought so too so I bought a v2 35-384 and the screen doesn't work below 10 degrees. So its useless for half of my hunting season. Agm Customer service wasn't any help either.
@@anthonycook8431 I’ll give you $1200 for it 😃
@@anthonycook8431 couldnt you just keep the scope inside your coat before you use it to keep it warm OR throw a couple handwarmers on it? honest question
I like my version 1 model 35-384 w non-proprietary battery’s just fine and it works when “I” need it too!
4:30 The use of proprietary batteries is a deal breaker for me. While better than non-replaceable batteries, proprietary batteries always have issues with cost and availability. These units are not replaced like cell phones. I have a late 1990s NVD that is still usable because it takes AA batteries. The V1 models will be usable 20 years from now with their 123 batteries. Will the V2s work then? Will USB power be their only option as the batteries wear out with no replacements? It's planned obsolescence.
I'd love to be wrong, but am afraid I'm not. The V1s can already take rechargeable 123s. Sticking with that would have been the way to go IMHO.
I opted for the AGM Varmint LRF TS50-640. For $700 more you get the built in laser range finder and it works great. My first night hog hunts were an amazing time. This is my first thermal and I could not be happier with the quality. For those of you shooting 300BO sub sonics, remember these two things: 1 - you can NOT obtain DOF when looking through a thermal scope. 2 - The bullet drop of a 220gr sub sonic round is ~15 inches at 150 yards. The range finder is a savior at distance!
All very good points. Maybe AGM would let me look at those at some point. I agree the added range finder is a big deal especially with subs. Thansk for watching!
@@AlabamaArsenal Love your content brother!
Most man hunter ( mil spec) reticles have a 28" spread at 100m ( avg military sized mans sholder width ) eg acog Christmas tree is a range finder. match his shoulders to a line that matches and that is how far he is .
For the outdoorsman same same but a typical deers ribcage.
$700 is a spendy LRF. But I guess if you have the cash to go with a $3000+ unit then it's not as big of a concern as if it were a $1200 model.
Yes if one has money growing off trees 🌳 by all means by the Bently or the $4,000 dollar unit instead of the $1200 hundred dollar unit with a hundred dollar hand held lrf. I mean if I can afford a Lamborghini I'd prefer that over my 06 explorer
I have 2 of the Varmint LRF TS50-640’s. Had to get one for my wife to join me on hunting hogs and coyotes. They are great thermals. LRF is a must for hunting at night at least in my option. It’s so hard to tell distance looking through a thermal. I have noticed that when the dew point is high and there is a lot of moisture in the air that it will slightly reduce clarity or the crispness in the picture detail. When I bought my first one it came with a free FatBoy traverse tripod. A 700 dollar tripod free is a no brained. B&H photo has the best deal going right now. Love watching your content.
Best video I've seen so far with the all new V2 models side by side comparison....Great Vid !!!! Thanks
It would be nice if one channel on TH-cam would actually show the V2 ts25 or 19 in (-256 ), considering that's the one 90 % of us can actually afford. No point in seeing the higher-end sensors when only 10% of their customers can afford them ..
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Thank you very much for this very well done video. After watching this I am sold on the adder t50 384. For my application I need the 4X
Glad I could help, and the Adders are very nice units as well. Thanks for watching!
A cylinder external battery, and a flash light mount. Will give you a budget power source. Lite weight and very easy to change out.
The rattler V2 is awesome I would highly recommend it you can put it in a backpack and use it for a handheld terminal imaging
Nice! Thinking about adding one of these next, just for the extended battery life, compared to my V1, and keep the V1 as a backup/loaner.
But I’m still loving my AGM Rattler V1 TS50-640 thermal. I’ve got it sitting on my 16” Christensen Arms MPR in 6 ARC. 😏👍🏼
I think that would make a great addition! Thanks for watching!
Thermal is the closest we have come to a superpower.
So apparently Bruce Wayne was right, being rich is the ultimate superpower...
🤣 Hard to argue with that! Thanks for watching!
Love the vid and the info! I intend to get one in the near future, but a TC model. I would love to see a vid on those showing how to adjust the screen to the optic and what power scopes can and can not be used with the TC model.
Well maybe AGM could send me one because I too would love to check those out. Thanks for watching!
I know the video gets compressed and its not like actually looking down the sights but for about max 300 yards what would you recommend? For Coyotes and such up here in North East AL
Have you heard of complaints that AGM sending out resold units? Broken box seals.
I am going to end up with one on my POF revolution DI 308
Great now I need a thermal,a ak, a cat suppressor,……. You’re killing me smalls😂 awesome content as always !
🤣 Appreciate you watching man!
This video is full of useful information thank you
if you went down to the agm v2 25 256 would it still be good or do you save your pennies and wait till you can get the v2 384? I am first time buyer. Also looking at the atn thor 4
ATN thermals are trash , trust me I bought 3 when I got into the thermal game and I regret it …
Thinking about an AGM V2 256 as my first Thermal.
I’ve been told to save and get the next one up.
I’m confused now as I hunt yotes out to 150 yards.
Thinking about an AGM V2 256 as my first Thermal.
I’ve been told to save and get the next one up.
I’m confused now as I hunt yotes out to 150 yards.
@randywall6678 I have been told to get at least 384 or dont get one. but you have just moved up to 2 to 3 thousand to get one. I am in same boat.
Can you adequately observe through a window and window screen with these? Thanks!
Definitely not a window, a screen maybe. Remember the way these work is they see heat. So a window looks like a solid wall through these as the window prevents the unit from “seeing” any heat beyond the window. Thanks for watching!
@@AlabamaArsenal Sorry to hear that. Makes perfect sense. Thanks for the reply!
Do all these models have a built in rangefinder?
No
Have y'all looked at the Sightmark wraith mini?
I have not, but I would like to! Thanks for watching!
@@AlabamaArsenal there on sale for 449 alot and man it's tempting
@@hopewilliams6705 The sightmark Wraith Mini in Thermal is $2 thousand dollars not $449. You must be looking at wraith mini in nv with an IR light, not thermal. and those aren't no comparison to what he's reviewing here with thermal scopes... Digital NV is basically a camera converted into a nv scope so long as you have a bright IR light turned on for the world to see. With thermal nobody sees you at all, animals people nobody 👍🏼
@@hopewilliams6705that’s the night vision model, not the thermal.
Very well done. Thanks!
AGM Rattler V2 - known in the rest of the world as the HiK Micro Thunder v2. The V2 50-640 that's on AGMs website for $4944 is available in the UK for less than $2800. These scopes are made in China by HIK so you are being ripped off by a US company
Most, unfortunately, are made in China.
@@Scottyman99 Agreed, even Pulsar have some of their models made in China
I think you may be forgetting to convert UK pounds into dollars.
@@mauganra2589 No I wasn't -these scope were on sale in the UK new with a full manufacturers warranty for GB pounds 2150 - that's close enough to $2800 as makes no difference HIK also recently did a sale of refurbished models that came with a one year warranty and they sold for $1950
Like I say, AGM are ripping you off big time
great review, I just have a couple of quick questions, can this be monitored with an ipad ? and also, where did you get the tripod mount? does it come with that?
you should have included the 256 in and compared it to the 384 and 640 no need to compare two 384s but whatever
Heard the batteries go dead real fast. Anyone make a 3D printed power tool battery mount for guns to use those to power the scope instead?
If you can find a stl file for what you need, I can print it. I just got a 3d printer but I’m still learning how to design. I’m assuming it would be best to be able to mount the battery holder to the gun itself out of the way if it’s possible
@@Farrow2332 along the stock kind of like a shotgun shell holder would seem a good place to start. Lowest profile batter would be best. Need to figure out what voltage these scopes use. 18/20V tool batteries might need an inverter or alteration. A hobby grade RC car battery might be better too.
How do they handle the cold. 32 to around -10. I try to avoid that cold when i can but sometimes thats what it is.
Really good video. But…. Would’ve been nice to see what the images looked like zoomed in as well as images of something at differing distances. Like a deer at 300 yards at the base magnification and zoomed in to max magnification, as an example. But still good video.
I live in the southwest desert and volunteer for the local search and rescue. Thermals out here are absolutely useless sadly.
Really? Is that because it's too hot? Appreciate you watching!
@@AlabamaArsenal Yeah, everything is at least 100° at all times. It all blends together. It’s only useful in recovery missions where the body is slightly colder than the desert if they happen to pass in the shade.
Sir, what you’re seeing is thermal delta. If an animal is the same temp as his surroundings there’s reduced fidelity. Often times the desert animals will be cooler than the surroundings, as well. Just have to know when your thermal crossovers are and keep that in mind for target acquisition.
Happy hunting and love your channel.
What about a rangefinder?
Im new to the thermal world, can these unit be used in front of my LVPO?
Not these particular ones, but AGM does make Rattler models that will. Commonly called "clip ons" as they essentially clip on to your existing optic. Thanks for watching!
Your welcome, big fan of the channel. Keep up the great work! 👍
@@AlabamaArsenal do the clip ons record video?
Hey man, hope you reply to this. What would you say the range in yards is that you can see and identify out to?
Ive personally done that out to about 300, I actually plan to try and push that farther for the next video. I want to see if we can identify targets and engage them out to at least 500, so we shall see. You. may even be able to go farther but I haven't tried, I will also say that's really where the 640 with the sharper image is going to help too. Thanks for watching, and I should have that next video up in about 4-6 weeks so stay tuned.
@@AlabamaArsenal can’t wait, thanks for the information! Love your video style, been a subscriber for a long time. Hoping to get a thermal for coyote hunting, eyeing these or a Leica.
As an IT professional, I hate proprietary batteries…. And rechargeable ones in devices like this. 🤷
Yeah that can go either way, the old Rattler took CR123s but you only got like 4 hours of battery life without an external battery pack, which most people ran. It always seems like you’re having to choose between a commonly available battery or long battery life and valid arguments can be made either way. AGM does have different models that take standardized batteries. Thanks for watching!
The fild of view comparisons at 2:02 , 2:40 and 7:30max picture (min zoom). Why not turn them all to the same zoom for an accurate comparison of what the bigger objective lenz dose , we are paying (just a gess) $1k /cm bigger. it would be nice to know before popping out that much cheddar for what in your vid appears to be ⅓less fild for a 25mm bigger objective lenz. 3rd repeat of same shot would have been nice for a max zoom comparison wile discussing the image quality.
Just a tip and only for a moment._.
Maby for the indepth full length review vid. Looking forward to it.
How do you put the reticle in the middle after zeroing?
Would you get this over the Trijicon skeet IR Oasys or Pixel on Target Voodoo-S? How do they compare with resolution and FOV?
Those are in a completely different price category and they're clip ons. Personally I could never own one of those, I'm sure they're great for the people that can afford them. For me the AGM units are phenomenal and more in my budget. Thanks for watching!
I give the v1 one edge in that it uses a standard battery
Rattler V1 is better than V2 for 1 important reason, it uses CR123 and if you need more run time use an external power bank. I won't buy anything with a built in or proprietary battery. Look what they did with cell phones. I could buy a new battery for my old phone (that still works) for $14. New phone with built in battery went bad I had to buy a new phone for $1,000. That's not an improvement, it's a way to get MO MONEY for these companies
Do you think a unit with a LRF in this type of platform is worth the extra squeeze?
If you need to accurately calculate dope to make an ethical shot definitely. So like if you're shooting a supersonic pretty far, or a subsonic at varying distances I would definitely look into it. Thanks for watching!
Awesome video brother!
Appreciate you watching man!
THANK YOU FOR THIS VIDEO. This is exactly what I needed to see and wouldn't have ever been able to on my own! You just saved me $1k... haha
Thank you, i now know where my next paycheck is going to 😂
LOL! Appreciate you watching!
Vs Wrath?
How does this compare to Thor 5 from ATN
2:09 man that is fucking cool
Yeah I’d have to agree! Thanks for watching!
No need to Curse tho
You just sold another one of those.
If your hunting within 125 yards and in the 256 model will do the trick. No the video isn’t as exciting but it will cost $800-$1000 and you will be able to do the same thing, shoot your quarry. I have v2 19-256 and I can see feral cats sneaking around at 250 ft away easily.
Made in US?
Negative, very few are. Thanks for watching!
No,Taiwan. At least they are our Aly
@@anthonyanderson464 completely agree!
You can see the poor ATN shit scope 😢😂
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