I grew up in a pentecostal church. Didn’t know it was a Pentecostal church until I was older. To me, it was just church. I’ve always been sceptical of people who speak in tongues and when people fall on the floor.
I wish anyone knows what happened in Acts 2! Did Jesus not ask His disciples to tarry in Jerusalem untill power comes upon them so they can witness for Him? Was that not on the day of Pentecost that this occurred? Is that not where the name Pentecostal originated? So some people do not know that the original Church, the church of Jerusalem, Corinth, Thessalonica, Ephesus, etc, were PENTECOSTAL? Back to the Bible where the truth is found!
I was raised in a very stuffy Calvinist church. I always felt something was missing in my spiritual walk. Six years ago I visited a Pentecostal church and have never looked back. I have no judgement against other churches. We all worship God in our way. Speaking in tongues is a vital part of my spiritual experience. As long as you believe in the tenets of the Nicene Creed, you are my fellow Christian. I once mocked people speaking in tongues. Until it happened to me.
If you are born again, you are Christian. The Nicene Creed doesn't mean anything if a person who follows it is not born again as described by Jesus. While the Nicene Creed lays out essential Christian doctrine, it does not define whether or not a person is Christian. Only Jesus does that.
First let me say I am a retired Minister I have been a minister for over 30 years. I am currently trying to get back into good health after suffering Guillain-Barre syndrome. I have what I would call spoken in tongues but it was more in a prayer attitude then as part of a service or gathering of people. I tend to believe that if a person in a gathering of people to worship speaks in tongues then as scripture says there should be someone to interpret the tongues. If there is no one to interpret the tongues then those that speak in tongues need to do it in private. I am a charismatic and that I believe in all the gifts of the Spirit and I believe that they should be employed in churches everywhere.
@@jennatolls9846 I don't know what vaxx is. I was told that I probably got the Guillain-Barre syndrome from severe diarrhea that I had. Probably campylobacter caused the diarrhea.
Research rightly dividing and dispensation. It will lead you to see. Past present and future. You mix law with grace and you put yourself back under the curse of the law to justify signs and wonders the even the antichrist will be performing. We live in the age of grace. Nothing physical brings forth spiritual life. The language of angels? Satan and his are angels. Separate what scripture is for you and what scripture is for the Jews. Peter was sent to the Jews and Paul was sent to the Gentiles. Seriously I've been watching TH-cam videos hours and hours everyday. The truth is there but you have to research both sides of the subject whether you disagree or not.
Thank you for the video, I'm from Brazil and I've looked everywhere for a good summarization about this subject. It's really hard to find an unbiased view when it comes to religion.
This was biased. He said the Oneness "deviated from Christianity." That was an opinion, and bias. I thought for a moment he was going to give us the same courtesy of an unbiased, objective definition like he did the other denominations. But, of course, that would be too much to ask for. We say the belief in a trinity of separate, distinct persons is a diviation that occured in the 3rd Century AD, when Constatine legalized Catholocism, (which historians mistakenly call, "Christianity"). The Nicean, Roman Catholic Trinity was brought to you by the same guys who brought you Mariolotry, Patron Saints, and Transubstantiation, and lends itself very close to Tritheism. We believe what the Bible says, (Colossians 2:9) "The fullness of God dwells bodily in Christ" "Hear O' Israel, the Lord our God is one Lord." (Deut. 6:4).
@@sumpinhapenin3070 Saying that someone has "deviated" FROM Christianity can't be interpreted as anything other than a negative connotation. So, in reply, I pointed out that the deviation came from the Nicean council. If the belief of One God is a deviation, it's a deviation from false doctrine. It doesn't bother me that the majority are believers in three separate and distinct persons in terms of orthodoxy. Jesus Christ mentioned that the gate is strait, and the way narrow, and few are going to find it. At any rate, I would have never brought it up if the OP had kept the video objective. Most of it was unbiased and objective until he accused the Oneness Pentecostals of "deviation."
@@sumpinhapenin3070 Blah blah blah blah. Cesar commented that it's hard to find an unbiased view...and it was not unbiased. Sorry, but word meaning and usage can't be changed. If the OP meant "different," he should have said different, or differs, or varies. "Deviates from CHRISTIANITY" implies that one, or a group, have departed from the truth. There's nothing positive about that. If that's his opinion, fine, but I'm just letting Cesar know that his commentary wasn't entirely unbiased, or objective. But, you're also entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to disagree with you.
Thank you, again well done. if I could add anything then it would be that the main difference between pentecostal and Charismatic is their focus, to a pentecostal the main purpose the receiving of Holy Spirit power to accomplish the mission of the church, (to seek and save the lost) by contrast, charismatic the focus seems to be the experiencing of the gifts, the first is outward focused and the second is inward focused,
I grew up in the Pilgrim Holiness (hand and hand with the Wesleyan Holiness movement) but my family became Assemblies of God (Pentecostal) when I was 14.
These are good, informative videos and well researched. Fair observations made based on fact and not conjecture. I would be continuationist in my view of the sign gifts but reject charismania and wouldn't consider myself pentecostal/charismatic.
I was baptized at the age of 16 at the first Foursquare church in Van Nuys Ca.(more commonly known as " the church on the way) I always uncomfortable when people spoke in tongues. I don't know why, but that is the way I felt.
Hello, Joshua. Are you a Christian? I am studying Christianity at college, as part of religion and philosophy/theology, and your videos are really helping my grades. God bless 🙏💓❤️🌸😀
Hello Joshua, I'm really enjoying all your videos , and am blessed to have stumbled upon them. I hate to nitpick or correct people but one note that I have is this, about the Calvary Chapel. While they are in both Charismatic evangelical denominations, these churches were not started by Evangelical church members. Chuck Smith the founder of Calvary Chapel was an ordained minister of the Church of the Foursquare Gospel, who felt that the Pentecostal church was out of line in its preaching and practices he left to start his own church based on exegetical preaching, and orderly worship.
Hi Aron, Most Pentecostal churches can be considered a subset of Evangelical. Unless you are aware of something I am not, Chuck Smith did not deny any Evangelical essential doctrines. Foursquare is an Evangelical Pentecostal denomination.
Reading back over my transcript though, I see what you are saying. In this video I did make it sound like Calvary Chapel and Vineyard came out of non-charismatic churches, and you are right in that they did not. I wouldn't describe it as I did here if I made the video again. Thanks for pointing it out. I made this two years ago and I tend to forget what I said, and I have also learned more about Calvary Chapel and Vineyard since this video too.
@@ReadyToHarvest Thank you for your response, If I would’ve realized this video was so old I wouldn’t have mentioned anything, however I can tell you’re very well versed in church history and denominationalism and you have exceptional attention to detail. since I have your attention for a moment Id just like to thank you for all your videos and specifically your objectivity, and since recently you’ve been taking requests I would love to see a video about the Potters house Christian Fellowship, and once again thank you for your youtube ministry. Videos like these might be as close as I ever get to attending bible college and they mean so much to me. Grace and peace to you ✌🏻
@@ReadyToHarvest i have been attending calvary chapel for 4 years now and we are not charismatic much. at most hands raised during worship, I've also been to barnyard vineyard church and let me tell you that was quite far off from calvary. They were very much Pentecostal. Just wanted to state that calvary (at least the one i go to) is very middle of the road, not charismatic but not bland
Thank you for being respectful in your presentation. Many other denominations make a false caricature of Pentecostals but we still believe in the full Gospel and earnestly desire to build the Kingdom on earth, we simply place a heavy emphasis on the work of the Holy Spirit, as it seems many other denominations are neglectful of His work.
@@burtonspringer8327not all Pentecostals are Oneness. Only some are. I am a Pentecostal, but I also believe in the Father, Son, and Spirit in the Trinity.
@@flaming_ice5220 yes but the original comment says we place an emphasis on the holy spirit my question is why not just place an emphasis on the whole trinity
@@burtonspringer8327 we do exactly that. I think o see what you're getting at, though. Since a lot of people who are not Pentecostal find tongues as strange and different, they make us out to be only focused on tongues and the Holy Spirit. That's just not true. We focus on all three of the Trinity. It's just that we affirm speaking in tongues, other spiritual gifts, and the presence and active ministry of the Holy Spirit where many other Christians do not.
I have not yet. I will be releasing several videos on Pentecostal denominations in the next couple of months, and that will set the stage for a potential set of videos on apostolic and oneness Pentecostalism within 2021. I have had several people ask. Thanks!
Im APOSTOLIC. JESUS. ONLY. ACTS 2:38. ALTHOUGH OUR MOVEMENT STARTED AT AZUSA. STREET. REVIVAL. STARTED IN LOS ANGELES CALIF. OUR. ROOTS. GO BACK TO THE DAY OF. PENTECOST. 2000 YEARS ACTS 2:1-4. 1:47. ACTS 10;44-48. UPCI. PAW. AA. WE. ONENESS. NON TRINTY this .present movement. Began in 1906 to 2021. Other oneness. Leaders. G t haywood , David Urshan , David. Bernard
I think a correction is needed beginning at :30. Concerning methodism and Wesleyan holiness. Methodism did not originate from Wesleyan holiness. It's the other way around. Wesleyan Holiness sprung out of Methodist Episcopal (M.E.) churches especially in the Midwest of America. During the transition out of the Methodist Episcopal Churches in the late 1800's there were actual Methodist churches called "Pentecostal Unions" that were non tongue speaking churches. Some of these never transition to tongue churches but remained within the non tongue speaking aspect of wesleyan-holiness that ultimately became things like Pilgrim Holiness/ Church of the Nazarene etc. The label Pentecostal actually started with Methodist churches and was essentially taken/adopted by tongue speaking groups after 1901. The label "Pentecostal" originated in America before tongues entered the scene.
When you are baptized for the forgiveness of your sins you are being baptized by the baptism the Holy Spirit announced through Peter (Acts 2:38). That is the real baptism of the Holy Spirit.
Short video for a big subject. Jesus said, whatsoever you ask, believing, you shall receive. If you believe in your heart, and doubt not, you shall have whatsoever you ask. Luke 11: 13, how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask Him? All who are born again are sealed with the Holy Spirit, being filled with the Holy Spirit, comes to those who ask.
Mandy,You are correct.If you have not been to my church you don’t know.All churches are not the same.We do not push speaking in tongues.There are weeks and months were there are no speaking in tongues.I am UPC.
Love ur video ..aslong as we have Jesus in harts it dosent matter wat kind of church we go 2 thay all preach about Jesus it jusy all on how u wanna worship im pentecost but i will go 2 any christan church :) as lond were worship Jesus amen
The first few years of my life I went to Pentecostal churches and I never understood people speaking in tongues. I understand it now but my understanding is that it is a perfect prayer from the Holy Spirit within us praying a perfect prayer to God and that it is a gift given along with the Holy Spirit which was given to us when Jesus said it is finished. So everyone can speak in tongues assuming you have the faith to believe you are speaking a perfect prayer to God which nobody can understand or translate as it is a Holy language. My confusion now is , based on scripture, most of the time I see people speaking in tongues would then be wrongly used. Like during prayer for another person, which is one of the most common ways (and during worship which I agree with) when people would speak in tongues.
Finally someone who speak objective 👏👏👏 Pentecostal is different from Charistmatic, in Chile most of the church is Pentecostal and reject most of charistmatic teachings and use to call them "modern churches" or "emotional churches"
It upsets me that Christians make such a big deal about this whole thing! The Believers are the church of God, we’re children of God; the Word of God is ONE; and since we’re still humans that mean we all not agree in everything or believe but that doesn’t mean we should divide ourselves; let us just Follow God, His Word and the Guidance of his Spirit.
@@salatielargueta01 One of the problems with religion in general is that no one seems to agree what to believe. I've been in three christian denominations and all interpret the same words written in the bible very differently. If the words in your holy book are truth everyone no matter the ethnicity, culture or nationality, everyone would believe the same and there would not be interpretations of the scriptures, but rather a unified belief based on that absolute truth. Ps: Pal amigo compatriota. No es por ser mala onda ni nada, pero los pentecostales en Chile (al menos en Antofagasta) son algo pasados pa la punta. Esta bien tener las creencias que uno tenga, independiente de la que sea, pero, (cuento esto como experiencia propia) Si uno se atreve a cuestionar la doctrina poco menos que te linchan. Saludos, Greetings
There seems to be different elements to the pentecostal church. Full gospel. Apostolic. Charismatic. I was born into and grew up in the full gospel faith. We did not dance jump around or do anything that is detrimental to the other 2. We sang hymns and choruses, offered praise and worship to God by word of mouth and raising our hands. We prayed. We took communion and we sat quietly and listened to the pastor preach the sermon. There were no antics, no carry on and we were not told that an essential part of believing was being able to speak in tongues. We believe what 1 Corinthians 14 says about speaking in tongues. Listen with your Spiritual ear. Seek with your Spiritual mind and your Spiritual heart and you will find the truth that will set you free! God bless you all.
Keep your faith and stay away from such wrong teachings the extra dancing shouting and speaking without thinking etc may our lord help us and them to see his true way.
Very interesting. I'm curious why they seem to focus on speaking in tongues and not any of the other listed gifts? If a person receives the gift of prophecy, would pentecostals consider that a "3rd work" too?
Speaking in " tongues" is not considered one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit as Paul defines them. Paul said concerning the gifts, " But the manifestation of the Spirit are given to every man to profit withal( everyone)" Paul refers to another manifestation of speaking in" tongues", " He who speaks in an " unknown" tongue edifies himself". In 1Cor.14:2 Paul refers to this language as praying in the Spirit. He also says concerning himself, " When I pray in an unknown tongue my spirit prays but my understanding is unfruitful.."( 1Cor.14:14) in other words Paul is saying that when he prays in this language that he doesn't understand what he is saying. Lastly, our English word " tongues" in the original Greek ,that the N.T. was written in, is singular not plural and means, " another language" and " a language".
Unfortunately, I wonder if they wouldn’t reject the person who had the gift of prophesy not believing they are doing so in true spirit but some negative source. Similar to this speaker saying they may grant that healing can still occur today but then say a spiritual based healer is not actually acting of the spirit. Really confuses me. We all have gifts of some kind as we all may also sin at times. I don’t see how those gifts can be better or worse.
Pastor Chuck Smith was in a Pentecostal denomination. I believe it was the foursquare. He left the denomination and went to a church that was already named Calvary Chapel. There is where the Calvary chapel distinctives were developed. The primary sources for Calvary Chapel should start with Chuck Smith’s writings. Charisma versus charismania. Living Water. And Harvest. Etc. I saw your video in Calvary Chapel a while ago I’m sure you mentioned these
So it is not quite accurate to say that Calvary chapel grew out of an evangelical church. More accurately it was a formally Pentecostal denominational pastor left and founded an evangelical charismatic church and a movement grew out of that
Unbiased awesome..Let me add; If there is nothing after salvation, then all these people that were saved in Acts chapter 2 what was the purpose? Why did Paul devote couple of chapters in the Bible.? Why did he emphasize be filled with the Spirit?
I have never in my life hurt somebody explain the denominations with such integrity and non partial or somewhat discrimination on the ones he may or may not agree with I know nothing about your history and where you come from but I'm thankful to see somebody with such integrity I was raised in the gospel assembly movement the school of the prophets founded by William sodders in 1909 and have been studying the Bible to see where I fit in God's big plan not reading in studying the scriptures from the prism or perspective reading into it the way we were taught I find myself not liking being around dogmatic people but a studying people I have more questions than answers but I am thankful for God's grace and mercy in my life but I've also been wrong so many times I'm going to be wrong again I'm just sure of that if I'm not wrong already LOL
Another big split came when the Apostolic Oneness Jesus only movement gave birth to the United Pentecostal Churches their doctrine has a formula for baptism as part of salvation along with speaking in tongues also for a requirement of conversion .
I am a retired Minister. I have been a minister in the United Methodist Church and in the Anglican Church in America. I personally believe entry prevenient Grace. Are there other churches believe in previant grace?
The main focus of those seeking salvation is to recieve the Holy Spirit. The main reason that pentecostals focus so much on speaking in " tongues" is because there are only three instances, in scripture, to where it is written that believers recieved the Holy Spirit and what happened the moment that they recieved, Acts ch.2,10, and ch.19. The first thing that happened was that they spoke in tongues. It is the only sign given in scripture confirming that the Holy Spirit has been recieved.
Question(s) - see about 3:50 to 4:10 ish. Am I considered charismatic because “I believe in the Bible as God’s Word and therefore believe the gifts of the Holy Spirit exist” ? My previous independent evangelical church believed that. But we also believed some of those gifts are far less in use by God presently. We didn’t have people speaking in tongues at church or other gatherings. Well, maybe once at church. From a visitor. 😁 I am in a Calvary Chapel now. It’s identical as far as I can tell from my previous church. So maybe I don’t understand the concept of what makes someone charismatic. Break out the snakes and tongues (that’s a joke), and I’m likely looking for a new church. Edit- Ah - I’m a continuationist. But now I need to go back and look at the definition of charismatic. And my CC Church seems to be continuationist as well. I’m going to have to listen to this a third time. Good stuff my friend. Thank you for your work. I really enjoy your videos.
You could check for the Door Christian fellowship or the Potter's House in your area I know they have a church in at least London and Liverpool so should be able to find one near you
Speaking in tongue is biblical but do it rightly; ~ 1 Corinthians 14:28: But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God. (KING JAMES VERSION) I hope this helps.
What has always tripped me out was the celebration of Pentecost but not the Feast times leading up to Pentecost/Shavuot, which determines when Pentecost is celebrated! So frustrating.
As a cessationist, I accept the possibility of someone having the legitimate gift of tongues today, but only in the same sense that I consider it possible for unicorns to be real or for dinasaurs to still be alive. And just as I'd need to see a unicorn to believe they do exist, I would need to see tongue-speaking in a way that aligns with how Paul said the gift was to be used to believe someone today has that gift. You will not see that Biblical use in Pentacostal or Charismatic churches.
If you study Hebrew, Greek and Latin you will eventually realize that the Unicorns mentioned in the King James Bible are what we call a rhinoceros today.
Nope, this wrong! This is why modern liberal scholarship is so bad, giving Christians the wrong ideas about many things in scripture. Not to mention being sucked into a secular worldview that is dangerous! So let’s establish that a “Unicorn” in Biblical context is not a “mythical white horse creature”! It is also definitely not a rhinoceros either, the Hebrew word for a rhinoceros is “tow’apaha”. It is also not a “wild ox”, Hebrew word for ox/cattle/bovine is either baqar/miqneh/behemah are what are frequently used for anything in the bovine family. The word unicorn comes from the Latin, ie Vulgate, and Old Latin(90-130 AD)means single horned beast. The Hebrew word is “re’em a large unruly, untrainable, powerful single horned beast. Rabbinical scribes refer to it as an aurochs or urus, a now extinct creature. The KJV translators were absolutely correct, and there is no problem with this term in proper context. As far as dinosaurs, this is a modern term, in antiquity all around the world what we see is an ancient term called “Dragon”! Once again the buying into the world’s philosophy? There are two “Dinosaurs/Dragons mentioned in Job, Bohemoth matches the description of a type of Sauropod 🦕, most likely a Brachiosaurus. Because “it is Chief in all its way, meaning Chief or largest of all land creatures”. Having a tail like a cedar tree! This is definitely not a hippopotamus or an elephant as some have suggested since they do not meet the description written in the text. Many people misunderstand the way things are translated into English, especially the KJV. Which is translated just fine, there are misunderstandings, but no errors! If you have other questions, or just want to go deeper I’ll respond.
I was raised Pentecostal but am looking into maybe non denominational. I've got a bad taste for pentecostals that I don't think I can get rid of. My husband is a non practicing catholic and I can't seem to see myself going with that religion. It's too different then what I was taught. Trying to find the balance.
@@aaronrodriguez1410 no. That’s an easy way to be deceived by demons. They are not fools they are clever when it comes to illustrating half truths especially in a society as ours
I grew up Pentacostal and become confessional Lutheran. I'm fairly well informed about the errors of Pentacostal theology and why it may have left you feeling "icky" about it. I'd advise against going non-denominational as virtually all supposedly "non-denominational" churches are either Pentacostal in all but name or Baptist in all but name. Baptists have somewhat better theology than Pentacostals but you still won't get the full gospel from them. Catholics are better in some ways but worse in other ways. If you'd like I can direct you to resources about confessional Lutheranism and the Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod, including how confessional Lutheranism differs from Pentacostalism.
Thank you it's hard to find a lot of Christians when you look up this stuff talking about it just getting worldly people talking about this stuff and that doesn't help so thank you
Mark 16:17 "These Signs" = Tounges. Aso see Acts 2,8,10, and 19 "Have you recieved the holy ghost SINCE you believed." Tounges is reguarded as a "sign". The gift of tounges is seperate!
Is there any Pentacostal who isn't a shameless liar? "Have you received the holy ghost since you believed" refers to people who believed John the Baptist's teaching, not believing Jesus. Paul asked, "Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?” And they said, “No, we have not even heard that there is a Holy Spirit.” And he said, “Into what then were you baptized?” They said, “Into John's baptism.” And Paul said, “John baptized with the baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in the one who was to come after him, that is, Jesus.” On hearing this, they were baptized in[b] the name of the Lord Jesus. Paul learned they were disciples of John, not Jesus, when they said they hadn't received the Holy Spirit. This verse contradicts Pentecostals by associating receiving the Holy Spirit with believing, and not with a later event.
Glad I watch this. I thought they were synonymous, because they're certainly referred to colloquially as somewhat synonymous. I now realize it's Pentecostals specifically that deviate from mainstream Christianity.
Trinitarian water baptism is baptism of the Holy Spirit. The idea of a "baptism of the Holy Spirit" apart from regular baptism is unbiblical and leads many Christians to despair over their salvation when the spiritual gifts that their pastors promise they should get fail to materialize. Even in the Pentacostal/Charismatic churches that don't claim tongue praying is necessary for full sanctification (the Assemblies of God are pretty moderate on the matter from my experience), there is often still a lot of pressure on people to speak in tongues and those that don't are often made to feel as "lesser" in the church even if the church doesn't tell them they're not saved. This results in many people just faking it (and I would make the case that all Pentacostals claiming to be speaking in tongues are faking it.)
That...doesn't make sense. No where in the Bible does it state the water baptism is the baptism of the Holy Ghost. Just read Acts 10 where Peter preaches to Gentiles. Verse 44 says that they recieved the Holy Ghost as they heard the word, but if you continue reading in to verse 47, Peter admonishes them to be water baptized. Also, there is no such thing as a "Trinitarian baptism", nobody was baptized in Father, Son, Holy Ghost. People were only baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, for the remission of sins.
Call them emotional churches those who dance shout and scream while making stunts and added actions like those random words. Our lord Jesus Christ is humble and simple let’s all try to be humble and simple when we spread the good news.🙏✝️
@user-sq9bh2hw1c I've seen Healings too myself I'm healed too so were part of my family members How? By the Holy Sacrement of Healing which Christ gave us and is still being operated by the His Holy Body (Church) which you pentecostal,protestants and many others are working to tear it apart claiming Christ didn't make order and laws in his Church giving yourselves the freewill of interpreting the Holy Books without any Holy Spirits blessings or wisdom. Breaking the Line of his Apostolic succession,Priesthood eventually reaching this Stage of this theaters where people are being payed by actors to scream,shout and dance like worldly people while claiming to be against the world. Dear ask yourself would Christians in 1st century act the way you guys are acting nowadays? Were they speaking real languages or blabbering Random sounds? Were they speaking of Heavenly Riches,glories or Earthly Glories like yours? I get it you are fed up by Modern Big Churches which use Christ Body for Influencing people like the Pope but that doesn't mean you correct it by doing another wrong get back to your roots. look at the whole western nations since they all departed (Protested) now it's filled by Sodomy and ungodliness unholiness. Do you ever wonder why? Because you forgot the word Called Take up your(( CROSS)) Ever since Prosperity Gospel came the whole world of Christendom is crumbling 5x faster than when even the schism happened. My only advice to you is to get and Repent to your roots to the first teachings of Christ Repent to Christ from all of this ungodliness which is all wrapped in his HOLY NAME
@user-sq9bh2hw1c Plus don't ever rely on miracles but by the deeds and teachings you should only rely remember that it is written that I'm the end of times Fire will come down from sky not to testify for God's but to decieve God's Chosen. So tell which is easier to bring Fire from the sky to deceive multitudes or heal someone physically Remember that this Ancient Serpent is the one which offered The Mighty ONE all richness,Glories of the Whole world. So a single act of a miracle is too easy for a fallen angel. I'm not mocking you or anyone I do know many of you actually do it out of goodness of your hearts but dear see and read from the Bible and compare with your movements. Compare Peter The poor Fisherman who with your Pastors compare yourselves with each biblblical believer and sinner Only then we can actually know where do we stand. And no I'm not against Miracles infact I believe in it 200% because I've seen,felt,tasted it through my personal experience many times so why would I stand against it.
Mark 16:17-18 Jesus said these signs "shall" follow those who "believe", they shall lay hands on the sick and they shall recover, they shall speak with new tongues and Corinthians also says forbid not to speak in tongues, the promise is unto us and to our children and to all who are a far off as many as our lord shall call! I say seek Jesus until he finds you, "you will know when he finds you".
im 16 and a pentecostal holiness church goer (mainly bc i was born into it and know nothing else hahaha) but hardly anyone in my church, including me, speaks in tongues...so I'm left completely confused about, like, everything lol. plus, hardly anyone in my church ever talks about be baptized in the Holy Spirit so idrk
Its amazing to me as someone who was in the new age but later became saved by my saviour Jesus Christ who broke the bondage to divination, just how much the 'speaking in tongues' sounds like the new age 'light language' which new agers believe is actually a language of spirit guides and angels, but is actually demons. It was the first thing I noticed when I heard of 'speaking in tongues' as I was unknowingly going down the Pentecostal path when I first got saved. Its suprising how much the new age and the Pentecostal/charismatic movement are extremely similiar.
I think this is a pretty good summary. It's refreshing to hear intelligent conversations about the Pentecostal/Charismatic/Full Gospel churches, doctrines and theologies, without having to listen to the lambasting, lampooning, and degrading meted out by the modern day "heresy hunting" so-called "discernment ministries".
Heartfelt Praise From out of the abundance of the hearth the mouth speaks, or sings. I was at a church online a few minutes ago, and they're singing the scriptures out of the Old and the New Testament. That means they're worshipping with their brain. Do me a favor church world, put the bible down, put the scriptures down and sing what's in your heart. Doesn't your love for your spouse create a new poem for you that he or she only fits in the framework of it. A word to the wise when you pray, do not quote the bible to the Lord, this is what I mean. Lord, you said, do you think he's an idiot? He knows his promises and he knows what he said, and he doesn't need a reminder, he hasn't forgotten. Those production prayers and songs you say and sing every week make the moving of God of non-effect in your church, he is not pleased. I had prayed for a woman that had gotten in a car accident and the Lord spoke to me when I was done praying. He said, let's suppose that was your wife you were praying for, would the prayer be different? I answered him, maybe. Okay, so let's pray again, this time put your heart in it. He said this to me over 20 years ago, if I pray for you, you're a family member, my family's life is not more important than your life. If your spouse is sick, I pray like it's my spouse. I have no partiality, when I pray, I don't quote the scriptures, he told me not to, and he said, I will answer the prayers that come out of your heart, not out of your understanding. Please don't ever give up, don't lose hope. And above all, do not rely on your understanding, your knowledge will do nothing in God. Your brain cannot inherit the Kingdom of God. I know a Pastor that I love dearly, and he thinks his brain is his mind. The mind of Christ, dwells in your midriff, I didn't make that up, he told me that. I have a plan here, why don't you ask God a question, I waited 6 years once for an answer, do you know what I learned, patience. We can only love God the right way, when Jesus Christ is in us, he is the love of God. And that new heart we get is his, and that new spirit we get is his. In the natural we are equal, I have a brain, you have a brain, I have arms and legs, you have arms and legs, but in the spirit realm we aren't equal, you have scriptures, I have Jesus, the author. You have the book; I have the author. Trust me beloved, without the author, you don't know what the book says, that's why you water baptize. He told the Jews, baptize in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost, and he didn't mention you. You've taken that scripture and made it today, and it's not today. John the Baptist said I use water, don't you. See, you're getting people to put their faith in the water, and they shouldn't be. And that a man might save them because you baptized them. After all, didn't you say, I baptize you? I asked the Lord one time, when you prophesy over someone, it doesn't look like I told the truth, I look like a liar. And he answered, I am telling them what I will do and what I want. Oh, okay, I'm sorry. Lord isn't there a scripture that covers that, oh you tell them and then it happens, thank you, Lord. You speak those things that are not as they are. In fact, the Pastor that received three prophecies from me, said you made this up. Just wait, it's going to happen, it was a really good prophecy. Let's get back on point. If you're going to sing and worship God, do it out of your own heart, not someone else's. My wife is a poet, she would write poems to me out of her heart, they were brand new, that was so cool, heart wrenching. Would you please start treating Jesus like he's a lover. Do not look at him just as a savior. He still has wants and desires, and it's our job to satisfy that. I can tell when the Lord moves in me, that he's enjoying where he is, he's not grieved. After all, with me he doesn't dwell in a trash can. I want nothing but the best for you, same as Paul, and Peter is not my apostle. I have to divide the things he did to find out what part was for me, and what was not for me.
I was raised in a Pentecostal church as a child/teenager. I returned to church back in 2017 and got baptized in the name of the father, son and Holy Spirit . I never agreed with the speaking in tongues or laying of hands to receive the Holy Spirit but I was used to this since this was all I knew and saw. Recently, I left the church and joined one where no one in the congregation “speaks” in tongue 👅
That's sad to hear. First off, no one in the Bible got baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. Instead, the were baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of their sins. Jesus Christ is the only name given unto men whereby we must be saved, according to Acts 4:12. Also, you say that you don't believe in the laying on off hands and speaking in tongues, but that's exactly what the apostles do in Acts. Acts 19:6 states.... "And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied." Don't let bad teaching hinder you doing what the Bible says, to worship God in spirit and truth.
@@bigredog100 False teachings will deceive you Jesus said go and baptize in the name of the trinity to the apostles stop spreading false teachings.Mathew28-19. Do deny Jesus teachings?
I agree with you I see it as nonesense and false teachings seeing the speaking in unknown words rapidly I don’t see them as tongues honestly since the Bible said the apostles spoke in languages of the world not unknown and random words which is what happens in some if not all Pentecostal churches. Plus what’s worst than all is that they say if you have that then you are saved 100% while anyone could say those words just by saying anything randomly But the laying of hands happened it’s written in the Bible by the right hand too but the authority was given to the apostles only to lay hands then ordination to bishops etc. Not any priest or pastor of our lord.
@@HolaBruv The laying on of hands is not literal, look at it like your teaching someone the word, your taking them under your wing, your laying your hand on them, see.
Have some respect P R. We believe in the power of the Holy Ghost mentioned on every page of the New Testament. A better focus of Pentecostals and Charismatics should NOT surround speaking in tongues. But around these verses 1st Corinthians 2 1 And I, brethren, when I came to you, did not come with excellence of speech or of wisdom declaring to you the testimony of God. ... 4 For my speech and my preaching were not with persuasive words of human wisdom, *but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power,* 5 that your faith should not be in the wisdom of men but in the power of God. In other words we believe that the Gospel should not be presented in mere SPEECH only but in MIRACULOUS signs that follow the lives of those who believe. And they do. And there is evidence of healings and casting out of demons all over TH-cam following Charismatic Christians if your interested in looking into that. So I dont really see how a believer, who rightly believes in the whole cannon of scripture could be anything less then a continuationist. Theres no solid doctrinal case against the power of the Spirit with signs following believers. So why make such a contentious ruckus fighting against what is totally apparent in modern days. The power of God to heal and deliver is self evident in our times. Speaking in tongues is practically a side note at this point. Its mostly just the major hang up of our critics. And in my view its prohibiting them from getting a deeper experience of the Spirit of God in their lives. Do to their lack of faith in what God is capable of doing.
@@TheBelovedDisciple144 I appreciate you presenting your beliefs in an easy to understand manner. And apologize if I offended you. God bless and take care ok
@@TheBelovedDisciple144 @The Beloved Disciple You can pray in jibberish TO YOURSELF and the thoughts of your heart are put on full display to the holy spirit. But the outloud tongue used to justify this modern mockery of the holy spirit, practiced in the bible 2000 years ago involve a (TRUE) (FULLY UNDERSTOOD) FOREIGN LANGUAGE, ie japanese, and the gift of tongues to translate it for THAT person that needs to hear. Example, English speaking pastor says something a Japanese native person needs to hear is than miraculously translated to Japanese by someone who obviously doesn't know the Japanese language. Thats the biblical definition of tongues....NOT some nut job in a church rambling random noises in which no one could possibly understand except another prideful nut job that wants to appear purposeful. The God, The Christ and The Holy Spirit I server are NOT the authors of confusion. We must be in the end times for such an elementary concept to be embraced by 270 million people that aren't verifying their beliefs with the inspired word of God. Another 1 billion lost in the mockery of the Roman Catholic Church! God help up!!
God is inside every human who treats humans and humanity with love respect and care! Never ever abandoning human. If otherwise they arent even animals.
There is need to clarify baptism of the Holy Spirit and salvation. Assembly of God and Foursquare hold that salvation and the giving of the Holy Spirit occur in John 20:22 "And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit." This was salvation but it was not 'baptism of the Holy Spirit'. In Acts 2 and later we see the baptism of the Holy Spirit, either coming with tongues of fire, or later (Acts 8) by apostles laying on their hands. The point here is that salvation and baptism of the Holy Spirit are separate givings of the Holy Spirit. One can believe in Jesus and be baptised in water (receiving the Holy Spirit) yet not be baptised with the Holy Spirit. Acts 8 is an example of this where Simon (aka Sorcerer) believed in Jesus yet was not baptised in the Holy Spirit. What function does baptism in the Holy Spirit play? The function is to minister to the body of Christ, and build believers up.
In the following passages John the Immerser (Baptist) tells us that Jesus is the One Who will Baptize with or in the Holy Spirit. Matthew 3:11 with Mark 1:8 with Luke 3:16 with John 1:33 in In all of these verses in the most literal translations, have footnotes to indicate the word "with" could also be translated, "in". The fact is that Baptism means to immerse into a fluid substance. So the correct translation of the above should be "in" and not "with". Acts 1:8 refers to this same event which was fulfilled in Acts 2:4. Therefore we should use the phrase, "Baptism in the Holy Spirit" to refer to the Pentecostal experience. The language is unknown to the speaker, and sometimes sounds like gibberish and sometimes are known languages. I have heard message in tongues in the Pentecostal Church I attended in college, which came out in German and was interpreted by another person, into English, yet neither of them knew German. The mother of one of the recently saved college students was visiting that morning and she told us that the message was not only in German, but with the accent of low German, spoken in her home town in Southern Germany. And she told us the Interpretation, was the exact translation into English. Needless to say that helped this German born Roman Catholic eventually get save. I have been identified, by a Cessationist Pastor, when I was praying out loud in tongues, when I though I was alone. I knew God had given me a different language that day, but that language was later identified as Hebrew by the Cessationist Pastor. Please note that in other videos, this speaker has identified himself as a Pastor Bible College or Baptist Seminary teacher/professor. Which means he is most likely a Cessationist. That said, he did a pretty good job of covering this topic, of which he is apparently not a part himself.
Baptists, and Pentecostals, are dishonest in redefining baptism to mean immersion. Oh, and if you're going to make up that John the Baptist was speaking of Pentecostal's "Baptism in the Holy Spirit" when he said Jesus would baptize with the holy spirit and fire, then don't forget to immerse yourself in fire. Actually, don't do this. As a Pentacostal, I'm afraid you might try it.
@@jamesreed5678 The Greek words BAPTO or BAPTIZO literally means "immerse". This word is transliterated into English not translated in most English Bibles. So your assertion is completely all wet, forgive the pun.
@@pastorart1974 Heb 6:2 and Heb 9:10 both use the same word. In 6:2, it refers to Christian baptism. In 9:10, it refers to sprinkling. You can't show from the Bible the word means immersion.
@@jamesreed5678 I already did show you. But your mind is made up. Hebrews 6:2 and 9:10 it refers to immersions. You can deny what i am saying all you want. It does not change the truth. Matt 3:16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: [ OUT OF THE WATER ] Mark 1: 9 And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan. 10 And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him: [ OUT OF THE WATER ] Romans 6: 3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? 4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. 5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: [ BURIED WITH HIM BY BAPTISM ] You don't get the image of being buried when someone sprinkles water on your heard. You do get the image of being buried when you are submerged in water. There are many in the Navy who have been BURIED AT SEA. Unlike you I am a Navy Vietnam Veteran, so I know bit more about people being buried at sea than you do. Ancient Greek Literature such as the Iliad and the Odyssey confirm the meaning of the Greek words in question.
@@pastorart1974 Your mind is made up. All you did was point to some verses saying "baptism in the holy spirit". That doesn't show your fiction (lie) that "baptism" means immersion. The Greek word for "in" in those verses in en, which is used numerous times where "immersion" doesn't work (most commonly en a location), and not once where "immersion" is required by the context. Hebrews 9:10 refers to the ritual cleansing of sprinkling in the Old Testament. And, of course, you just ignored that fact, which I pointed out, which contradicts your faction. Let's try again: Mark 7:4 refers to the Old Testament practice of sprinkling furniture, using the word baptizo. Baptizo dinning tables. It's not realistic to immerse tables. And, if you did immerse your table, you'd cause water damage. And, it's a reference to the Old Testament practice of sprinkling furniture (tradition of the Jews). So, sprinkling is a valid form of baptism. Deal with it. You can't show a single verse in all the Bible where baptism is shown to be immersion. BTW, Dispensationalists are not Christians.
Excellent explanation. Too often people belonging to "elitist denominations", such as Reformed Theology or Messianic Jews take cheap shots at Pentecostals, lumping us with Word of Faith and other pseudo Pentecostal/ Charismatic ministries, particularly those from tv,
I wish anyone knows what happened in Acts 2! Did Jesus not ask His disciples to tarry in Jerusalem untill power comes upon them so they can witness for Him? Was that not on the day of Pentecost that this occurred? Is that not where the name Pentecostal originated? So some people do not know that the original Church, the church of Jerusalem, Corinth, Thessalonica, Ephesus, etc, were PENTECOSTAL? Back to the Bible where the truth is found!
It always confuses me why people get so crossed on the fact that pentecostals can be energetic during worship service and even call us hysterics with speaking in tounges. There is nothing biblically against the energetic part of worship and seems to get criticism from church tradition mostly. I know for a fact that god honors this worship from my own and others' personal divine experiences with instant healing and prophetic messages from a few. So please, if you see a pentecostal online, I would ask that you would stop critiquing their worship style and even shaming them and calling them manipulated by their pastures. Doing that simply isn't fair and judgemental. God bless:)
I HAVE HEARD ANGELS SPEAKING IN GLOSSOLALIA . but never spoke it that tongue myself .Because like Jesus the Holy Spirit is meek and humble and will not force you to speak in the heavenly language if you dont want .But I do remember Jesus saying that when we come to heaven its best to come as a child .For when a child comes into this world one of the first things they learn is the language . SO WHEN WE GET TO HEAVEN WE WILL HAVE TO LEARN THE LANGUAGE SPOKEN THERE AS A CHILD DOES HERE . so come to heaven as a child NOT KNOWING ANYTHING that way its easier to teach you what you need to know
pentecostal and charismatic churches need to read 1st Corinthians capter 14 in regards to "intelligibility" in worship.....if it does not edify the whole church...with interpretation....you need to worship God in prayer by yourself in edification for yourself....
I've heard Pentecostals argue that God restored tongues in preparation of Christ's imminent return. With all their false dates and the years flowing by, it makes that argument, pulled out of their behinds, look increasingly Imbecilic.
Very informative. All of these denominations believe in the inerrancy of scripture. But none believe the bible says the same thing. It does not make sense when the bible has no errors. The denominations are the ones with error. You point out the differences very well and non-judgemental. The "churches" are in a ball of confusion and most don't know it. What they have in common is the very thing that causes them confusion. It's just sad. If you are building a house and use the incorrect tools the parts will not line up. Jesus said in Acts 1 because His disciples wanted the Kingdom and wanted it now. That it is not for you to know the time and season. Spiritually speaking the churches today are just like the disciples not understanding the time or seasons. The season changed after Paul became minister to the Gentiles. They do not get it and are in a ball of confusion. Sad.
It's not so much confusion as fraud. Pentacostal leaders are frauds. The pretend to have a connection with God they don't have, for their own power and enrichment.
I grew up in a pentecostal church. Didn’t know it was a Pentecostal church until I was older. To me, it was just church. I’ve always been sceptical of people who speak in tongues and when people fall on the floor.
Very informative and non biased discussion. God bless you
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I wish anyone knows what happened in Acts 2! Did Jesus not ask His disciples to tarry in Jerusalem untill power comes upon them so they can witness for Him? Was that not on the day of Pentecost that this occurred? Is that not where the name Pentecostal originated? So some people do not know that the original Church, the church of Jerusalem, Corinth, Thessalonica, Ephesus, etc, were PENTECOSTAL? Back to the Bible where the truth is found!
What you're doing is not easy. Keep up the good work!
I was raised in a very stuffy Calvinist church. I always felt something was missing in my spiritual walk. Six years ago I visited a Pentecostal church and have never looked back. I have no judgement against other churches. We all worship God in our way. Speaking in tongues is a vital part of my spiritual experience. As long as you believe in the tenets of the Nicene Creed, you are my fellow Christian. I once mocked people speaking in tongues. Until it happened to me.
The doctrine of the Trinity is not biblical
Nicene Creed calls for one “holy, catholic and apostolic church” this is Orthodoxy.
Trinity is biblical
Nicene creed is biblical
If you are born again, you are Christian. The Nicene Creed doesn't mean anything if a person who follows it is not born again as described by Jesus. While the Nicene Creed lays out essential Christian doctrine, it does not define whether or not a person is Christian. Only Jesus does that.
Its NOT the way, its man made. Roman Catholicism is the truth and the way
First let me say I am a retired Minister I have been a minister for over 30 years. I am currently trying to get back into good health after suffering Guillain-Barre syndrome. I have what I would call spoken in tongues but it was more in a prayer attitude then as part of a service or gathering of people. I tend to believe that if a person in a gathering of people to worship speaks in tongues then as scripture says there should be someone to interpret the tongues. If there is no one to interpret the tongues then those that speak in tongues need to do it in private. I am a charismatic and that I believe in all the gifts of the Spirit and I believe that they should be employed in churches everywhere.
@@jennatolls9846 I don't know what vaxx is. I was told that I probably got the Guillain-Barre syndrome from severe diarrhea that I had. Probably campylobacter caused the diarrhea.
Research rightly dividing and dispensation. It will lead you to see. Past present and future. You mix law with grace and you put yourself back under the curse of the law to justify signs and wonders the even the antichrist will be performing. We live in the age of grace. Nothing physical brings forth spiritual life. The language of angels? Satan and his are angels. Separate what scripture is for you and what scripture is for the Jews. Peter was sent to the Jews and Paul was sent to the Gentiles. Seriously I've been watching TH-cam videos hours and hours everyday. The truth is there but you have to research both sides of the subject whether you disagree or not.
Excellent job on this video. Very educational
Thank you for the video, I'm from Brazil and I've looked everywhere for a good summarization about this subject.
It's really hard to find an unbiased view when it comes to religion.
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which is interesting because he is talking about the theological differences but only looking into the history of the pentecostals on the US
This was biased. He said the Oneness "deviated from Christianity." That was an opinion, and bias. I thought for a moment he was going to give us the same courtesy of an unbiased, objective definition like he did the other denominations. But, of course, that would be too much to ask for. We say the belief in a trinity of separate, distinct persons is a diviation that occured in the 3rd Century AD, when Constatine legalized Catholocism, (which historians mistakenly call, "Christianity"). The Nicean, Roman Catholic Trinity was brought to you by the same guys who brought you Mariolotry, Patron Saints, and Transubstantiation, and lends itself very close to Tritheism. We believe what the Bible says, (Colossians 2:9) "The fullness of God dwells bodily in Christ" "Hear O' Israel, the Lord our God is one Lord." (Deut. 6:4).
@@sumpinhapenin3070 Saying that someone has "deviated" FROM Christianity can't be interpreted as anything other than a negative connotation. So, in reply, I pointed out that the deviation came from the Nicean council. If the belief of One God is a deviation, it's a deviation from false doctrine. It doesn't bother me that the majority are believers in three separate and distinct persons in terms of orthodoxy. Jesus Christ mentioned that the gate is strait, and the way narrow, and few are going to find it. At any rate, I would have never brought it up if the OP had kept the video objective. Most of it was unbiased and objective until he accused the Oneness Pentecostals of "deviation."
@@sumpinhapenin3070 Blah blah blah blah. Cesar commented that it's hard to find an unbiased view...and it was not unbiased. Sorry, but word meaning and usage can't be changed. If the OP meant "different," he should have said different, or differs, or varies. "Deviates from CHRISTIANITY" implies that one, or a group, have departed from the truth. There's nothing positive about that. If that's his opinion, fine, but I'm just letting Cesar know that his commentary wasn't entirely unbiased, or objective. But, you're also entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to disagree with you.
Excellent non-bias explanation. Good job.
Cleveland, TN here. Thank you for the explanation!
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you, again well done. if I could add anything then it would be that the main difference between pentecostal and Charismatic is their focus, to a pentecostal the main purpose the receiving of Holy Spirit power to accomplish the mission of the church, (to seek and save the lost) by contrast, charismatic the focus seems to be the experiencing of the gifts, the first is outward focused and the second is inward focused,
Agree, Let's just call the Chrismatic movement what it is. Baby boomers bs. People who want to worship themselves and be blessed for it.
I grew up in the Pilgrim Holiness (hand and hand with the Wesleyan Holiness movement) but my family became Assemblies of God (Pentecostal) when I was 14.
Wow this is very good information and well presented as well!
Very Informative! Thank you.
These are good, informative videos and well researched. Fair observations made based on fact and not conjecture. I would be continuationist in my view of the sign gifts but reject charismania and wouldn't consider myself pentecostal/charismatic.
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Very informative. Thank you kind sir.
I was baptized at the age of 16 at the first Foursquare church in Van Nuys Ca.(more commonly known as " the church on the way) I always uncomfortable when people spoke in tongues. I don't know why, but that is the way I felt.
I believe it's because some are probably faking the speaking in tongues.
Surprised that happens in the valley since mostly Catholic Churches. Interesting to know that exists in that area.
@@MM-us3bn ,True, there are many Catholic churches In the SFV but they are outnumbered by protestant churches.
Hello, Joshua.
Are you a Christian? I am studying Christianity at college, as part of religion and philosophy/theology, and your videos are really helping my grades.
God bless
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Great video by the way.
Hello Joshua, I'm really enjoying all your videos , and am blessed to have stumbled upon them. I hate to nitpick or correct people but one note that I have is this, about the Calvary Chapel. While they are in both Charismatic evangelical denominations, these churches were not started by Evangelical church members. Chuck Smith the founder of Calvary Chapel was an ordained minister of the Church of the Foursquare Gospel, who felt that the Pentecostal church was out of line in its preaching and practices he left to start his own church based on exegetical preaching, and orderly worship.
Hi Aron, Most Pentecostal churches can be considered a subset of Evangelical. Unless you are aware of something I am not, Chuck Smith did not deny any Evangelical essential doctrines. Foursquare is an Evangelical Pentecostal denomination.
Reading back over my transcript though, I see what you are saying. In this video I did make it sound like Calvary Chapel and Vineyard came out of non-charismatic churches, and you are right in that they did not. I wouldn't describe it as I did here if I made the video again. Thanks for pointing it out. I made this two years ago and I tend to forget what I said, and I have also learned more about Calvary Chapel and Vineyard since this video too.
@@ReadyToHarvest Thank you for your response, If I would’ve realized this video was so old I wouldn’t have mentioned anything, however I can tell you’re very well versed in church history and denominationalism and you have exceptional attention to detail. since I have your attention for a moment Id just like to thank you for all your videos and specifically your objectivity, and since recently you’ve been taking requests I would love to see a video about the Potters house Christian Fellowship, and once again thank you for your youtube ministry. Videos like these might be as close as I ever get to attending bible college and they mean so much to me. Grace and peace to you ✌🏻
@@ReadyToHarvest i have been attending calvary chapel for 4 years now and we are not charismatic much. at most hands raised during worship, I've also been to barnyard vineyard church and let me tell you that was quite far off from calvary. They were very much Pentecostal. Just wanted to state that calvary (at least the one i go to) is very middle of the road, not charismatic but not bland
@@connorsmall533 a year later, but I go to a Calvary Chapel also and it’s consistent with what you’re describing also :)
Thanks for mentioning the UPCI
Sure everyone should know about that heresy. 👍
@polares420 not all of us are modalist
Thank you for being respectful in your presentation. Many other denominations make a false caricature of Pentecostals but we still believe in the full Gospel and earnestly desire to build the Kingdom on earth, we simply place a heavy emphasis on the work of the Holy Spirit, as it seems many other denominations are neglectful of His work.
Why not just the whole Trinity
@@burtonspringer8327not all Pentecostals are Oneness. Only some are. I am a Pentecostal, but I also believe in the Father, Son, and Spirit in the Trinity.
@@flaming_ice5220 yes but the original comment says we place an emphasis on the holy spirit my question is why not just place an emphasis on the whole trinity
@@burtonspringer8327 we do exactly that. I think o see what you're getting at, though. Since a lot of people who are not Pentecostal find tongues as strange and different, they make us out to be only focused on tongues and the Holy Spirit. That's just not true. We focus on all three of the Trinity. It's just that we affirm speaking in tongues, other spiritual gifts, and the presence and active ministry of the Holy Spirit where many other Christians do not.
@@burtonspringer8327 did that answer your question?
I love the knowledge that you bring. Have you done a video on Apostolic vs Pentecostal Apostolic
I have not yet. I will be releasing several videos on Pentecostal denominations in the next couple of months, and that will set the stage for a potential set of videos on apostolic and oneness Pentecostalism within 2021. I have had several people ask. Thanks!
@@ReadyToHarvest Thanks!
Im APOSTOLIC. JESUS. ONLY. ACTS 2:38. ALTHOUGH OUR MOVEMENT STARTED AT AZUSA. STREET. REVIVAL. STARTED IN LOS ANGELES CALIF. OUR. ROOTS. GO BACK TO THE DAY OF. PENTECOST. 2000 YEARS ACTS 2:1-4. 1:47. ACTS 10;44-48. UPCI. PAW. AA. WE. ONENESS. NON TRINTY this .present movement. Began in 1906 to 2021. Other oneness. Leaders. G t haywood , David Urshan , David. Bernard
@@davidortega357 You guys believe is SOME false doctrine (according to the Bible).
I think a correction is needed beginning at :30. Concerning methodism and Wesleyan holiness. Methodism did not originate from Wesleyan holiness. It's the other way around. Wesleyan Holiness sprung out of Methodist Episcopal (M.E.) churches especially in the Midwest of America. During the transition out of the Methodist Episcopal Churches in the late 1800's there were actual Methodist churches called "Pentecostal Unions" that were non tongue speaking churches. Some of these never transition to tongue churches but remained within the non tongue speaking aspect of wesleyan-holiness that ultimately became things like Pilgrim Holiness/ Church of the Nazarene etc. The label Pentecostal actually started with Methodist churches and was essentially taken/adopted by tongue speaking groups after 1901. The label "Pentecostal" originated in America before tongues entered the scene.
When the Holy Spirit baptises you , you will know the truth. Until then you will have the understanding of man kind.
When you are baptized for the forgiveness of your sins you are being baptized by the baptism the Holy Spirit announced through Peter (Acts 2:38). That is the real baptism of the Holy Spirit.
Excellent video
4:30 descrbing person as center of consciousness is interesting. Could you expand on that explanation for clarity?
Short video for a big subject.
Jesus said, whatsoever you ask, believing, you shall receive. If you believe in your heart, and doubt not, you shall have whatsoever you ask.
Luke 11: 13, how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask Him?
All who are born again are sealed with the Holy Spirit, being filled with the Holy Spirit, comes to those who ask.
Mandy,You are correct.If you have not been to my church you don’t know.All churches are not the same.We do not push speaking in tongues.There are weeks and months were there are no speaking in tongues.I am UPC.
Love ur video ..aslong as we have Jesus in harts it dosent matter wat kind of church we go 2 thay all preach about Jesus it jusy all on how u wanna worship im pentecost but i will go 2 any christan church :) as lond were worship Jesus amen
The first few years of my life I went to Pentecostal churches and I never understood people speaking in tongues. I understand it now but my understanding is that it is a perfect prayer from the Holy Spirit within us praying a perfect prayer to God and that it is a gift given along with the Holy Spirit which was given to us when Jesus said it is finished. So everyone can speak in tongues assuming you have the faith to believe you are speaking a perfect prayer to God which nobody can understand or translate as it is a Holy language. My confusion now is , based on scripture, most of the time I see people speaking in tongues would then be wrongly used. Like during prayer for another person, which is one of the most common ways (and during worship which I agree with) when people would speak in tongues.
Just for me, in personal, I don't exactly control when I can speak in tounges. If it does happen, while praying over someone, then it just happens
Very informative speech and solid
Finally someone who speak objective 👏👏👏 Pentecostal is different from Charistmatic, in Chile most of the church is Pentecostal and reject most of charistmatic teachings and use to call them "modern churches" or "emotional churches"
It upsets me that Christians make such a big deal about this whole thing! The Believers are the church of God, we’re children of God; the Word of God is ONE; and since we’re still humans that mean we all not agree in everything or believe but that doesn’t mean we should divide ourselves; let us just Follow God, His Word and the Guidance of his Spirit.
@@salatielargueta01 One of the problems with religion in general is that no one seems to agree what to believe. I've been in three christian denominations and all interpret the same words written in the bible very differently. If the words in your holy book are truth everyone no matter the ethnicity, culture or nationality, everyone would believe the same and there would not be interpretations of the scriptures, but rather a unified belief based on that absolute truth.
Ps: Pal amigo compatriota. No es por ser mala onda ni nada, pero los pentecostales en Chile (al menos en Antofagasta) son algo pasados pa la punta. Esta bien tener las creencias que uno tenga, independiente de la que sea, pero, (cuento esto como experiencia propia) Si uno se atreve a cuestionar la doctrina poco menos que te linchan.
Saludos, Greetings
There seems to be different elements to the pentecostal church. Full gospel. Apostolic. Charismatic. I was born into and grew up in the full gospel faith. We did not dance jump around or do anything that is detrimental to the other 2. We sang hymns and choruses, offered praise and worship to God by word of mouth and raising our hands. We prayed. We took communion and we sat quietly and listened to the pastor preach the sermon. There were no antics, no carry on and we were not told that an essential part of believing was being able to speak in tongues. We believe what 1 Corinthians 14 says about speaking in tongues. Listen with your Spiritual ear. Seek with your Spiritual mind and your Spiritual heart and you will find the truth that will set you free! God bless you all.
Keep your faith and stay away from such wrong teachings the extra dancing shouting and speaking without thinking etc may our lord help us and them to see his true way.
What's the difference between full gospel, apostolic, and charismatic?
You have never seen the Holy Spirit take over a service either. I'm Pentacostal and I have.
@HolaBruv what you are saying is don't let the Holy Spirit move in you. How sad.
So when should we dance before the Lord?
Very interesting. I'm curious why they seem to focus on speaking in tongues and not any of the other listed gifts? If a person receives the gift of prophecy, would pentecostals consider that a "3rd work" too?
Speaking in " tongues" is not considered one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit as Paul defines them. Paul said concerning the gifts, " But the manifestation of the Spirit are given to every man to profit withal( everyone)"
Paul refers to another manifestation of speaking in" tongues", " He who speaks in an " unknown" tongue edifies himself".
In 1Cor.14:2 Paul refers to this language as praying in the Spirit. He also says concerning himself, " When I pray in an unknown tongue my spirit prays but my understanding is unfruitful.."( 1Cor.14:14) in other words Paul is saying that when he prays in this language that he doesn't understand what he is saying.
Lastly, our English word " tongues" in the original Greek ,that the N.T. was written in, is singular not plural and means, " another language" and " a language".
Unfortunately, I wonder if they wouldn’t reject the person who had the gift of prophesy not believing they are doing so in true spirit but some negative source. Similar to this speaker saying they may grant that healing can still occur today but then say a spiritual based healer is not actually acting of the spirit.
Really confuses me. We all have gifts of some kind as we all may also sin at times. I don’t see how those gifts can be better or worse.
Pastor Chuck Smith was in a Pentecostal denomination. I believe it was the foursquare. He left the denomination and went to a church that was already named Calvary Chapel. There is where the Calvary chapel distinctives were developed. The primary sources for Calvary Chapel should start with Chuck Smith’s writings. Charisma versus charismania. Living Water. And Harvest. Etc. I saw your video in Calvary Chapel a while ago I’m sure you mentioned these
So it is not quite accurate to say that Calvary chapel grew out of an evangelical church. More accurately it was a formally Pentecostal denominational pastor left and founded an evangelical charismatic church and a movement grew out of that
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Unbiased awesome..Let me add; If there is nothing after salvation, then all these people that were saved in Acts chapter 2 what was the purpose? Why did Paul devote couple of chapters in the Bible.? Why did he emphasize be filled with the Spirit?
I have never in my life hurt somebody explain the denominations with such integrity and non partial or somewhat discrimination on the ones he may or may not agree with I know nothing about your history and where you come from but I'm thankful to see somebody with such integrity I was raised in the gospel assembly movement the school of the prophets founded by William sodders in 1909 and have been studying the Bible to see where I fit in God's big plan not reading in studying the scriptures from the prism or perspective reading into it the way we were taught I find myself not liking being around dogmatic people but a studying people I have more questions than answers but I am thankful for God's grace and mercy in my life but I've also been wrong so many times I'm going to be wrong again I'm just sure of that if I'm not wrong already LOL
Another big split came when the Apostolic Oneness Jesus only movement gave birth to the United Pentecostal Churches their doctrine has a formula for baptism as part of salvation along with speaking in tongues also for a requirement of conversion .
I am a retired Minister. I have been a minister in the United Methodist Church and in the Anglican Church in America. I personally believe entry prevenient Grace. Are there other churches believe in previant grace?
A pastor of 2 dead denominations.Are you LGBQ+ approved?
Mike Ellis,I totally agree
Profound
Fair and accurate
I will listen to more of your videos but for the moment I'm dizzy 😵
The main focus of those seeking salvation is to recieve the Holy Spirit.
The main reason that pentecostals focus so much on speaking in " tongues" is because there are only three instances, in scripture, to where it is written that believers recieved the Holy Spirit and what happened the moment that they recieved, Acts ch.2,10, and ch.19. The first thing that happened was that they spoke in tongues.
It is the only sign given in scripture confirming that the Holy Spirit has been recieved.
Ok thank you
How many times ready to harvest, how many times?!!?
Question(s) - see about 3:50 to 4:10 ish.
Am I considered charismatic because “I believe in the Bible as God’s Word and therefore believe the gifts of the Holy Spirit exist” ?
My previous independent evangelical church believed that. But we also believed some of those gifts are far less in use by God presently. We didn’t have people speaking in tongues at church or other gatherings. Well, maybe once at church. From a visitor. 😁
I am in a Calvary Chapel now. It’s identical as far as I can tell from my previous church.
So maybe I don’t understand the concept of what makes someone charismatic.
Break out the snakes and tongues (that’s a joke), and I’m likely looking for a new church.
Edit-
Ah - I’m a continuationist.
But now I need to go back and look at the definition of charismatic.
And my CC Church seems to be continuationist as well.
I’m going to have to listen to this a third time.
Good stuff my friend. Thank you for your work. I really enjoy your videos.
I don't have a Penticostal church nearby which church is near to my beliefs ? In The UK
Bethel Gibson road
You could check for the Door Christian fellowship or the Potter's House in your area I know they have a church in at least London and Liverpool so should be able to find one near you
thanks
Nice
Speaking in tongue is biblical but do it rightly;
~ 1 Corinthians 14:28: But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God. (KING JAMES VERSION)
I hope this helps.
What has always tripped me out was the celebration of Pentecost but not the Feast times leading up to Pentecost/Shavuot, which determines when Pentecost is celebrated!
So frustrating.
May God lead you to the truth
As a cessationist, I accept the possibility of someone having the legitimate gift of tongues today, but only in the same sense that I consider it possible for unicorns to be real or for dinasaurs to still be alive.
And just as I'd need to see a unicorn to believe they do exist, I would need to see tongue-speaking in a way that aligns with how Paul said the gift was to be used to believe someone today has that gift. You will not see that Biblical use in Pentacostal or Charismatic churches.
If you study Hebrew, Greek and Latin you will eventually realize that the Unicorns mentioned in the King James Bible are what we call a rhinoceros today.
Nope, this wrong! This is why modern liberal scholarship is so bad, giving Christians the wrong ideas about many things in scripture. Not to mention being sucked into a secular worldview that is dangerous! So let’s establish that a “Unicorn” in Biblical context is not a “mythical white horse creature”! It is also definitely not a rhinoceros either, the Hebrew word for a rhinoceros is “tow’apaha”. It is also not a “wild ox”, Hebrew word for ox/cattle/bovine is either baqar/miqneh/behemah are what are frequently used for anything in the bovine family. The word unicorn comes from the Latin, ie Vulgate, and Old Latin(90-130 AD)means single horned beast. The Hebrew word is “re’em a large unruly, untrainable, powerful single horned beast. Rabbinical scribes refer to it as an aurochs or urus, a now extinct creature. The KJV translators were absolutely correct, and there is no problem with this term in proper context. As far as dinosaurs, this is a modern term, in antiquity all around the world what we see is an ancient term called “Dragon”! Once again the buying into the world’s philosophy? There are two “Dinosaurs/Dragons mentioned in Job, Bohemoth matches the description of a type of Sauropod 🦕, most likely a Brachiosaurus. Because “it is Chief in all its way, meaning Chief or largest of all land creatures”. Having a tail like a cedar tree! This is definitely not a hippopotamus or an elephant as some have suggested since they do not meet the description written in the text. Many people misunderstand the way things are translated into English, especially the KJV. Which is translated just fine, there are misunderstandings, but no errors! If you have other questions, or just want to go deeper I’ll respond.
I was raised Pentecostal but am looking into maybe non denominational. I've got a bad taste for pentecostals that I don't think I can get rid of. My husband is a non practicing catholic and I can't seem to see myself going with that religion. It's too different then what I was taught. Trying to find the balance.
Try Orthodoxy (:
How about pray and read your Bible and pray for dreams and a revelation on what to do
@@aaronrodriguez1410 no. That’s an easy way to be deceived by demons. They are not fools they are clever when it comes to illustrating half truths especially in a society as ours
@@Savuhtar so don't pray and read the Bible? Got it
I grew up Pentacostal and become confessional Lutheran. I'm fairly well informed about the errors of Pentacostal theology and why it may have left you feeling "icky" about it.
I'd advise against going non-denominational as virtually all supposedly "non-denominational" churches are either Pentacostal in all but name or Baptist in all but name. Baptists have somewhat better theology than Pentacostals but you still won't get the full gospel from them.
Catholics are better in some ways but worse in other ways.
If you'd like I can direct you to resources about confessional Lutheranism and the Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod, including how confessional Lutheranism differs from Pentacostalism.
Thank you it's hard to find a lot of Christians when you look up this stuff talking about it just getting worldly people talking about this stuff and that doesn't help so thank you
can anyone tell me the name of charismatic evangelical denominations?
The Door Church and The Potter's House would be the top of the list
Mark 16:17 "These Signs" = Tounges. Aso see Acts 2,8,10, and 19 "Have you recieved the holy ghost SINCE you believed." Tounges is reguarded as a "sign". The gift of tounges is seperate!
Is there any Pentacostal who isn't a shameless liar? "Have you received the holy ghost since you believed" refers to people who believed John the Baptist's teaching, not believing Jesus.
Paul asked, "Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?” And they said, “No, we have not even heard that there is a Holy Spirit.” And he said, “Into what then were you baptized?” They said, “Into John's baptism.” And Paul said, “John baptized with the baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in the one who was to come after him, that is, Jesus.” On hearing this, they were baptized in[b] the name of the Lord Jesus.
Paul learned they were disciples of John, not Jesus, when they said they hadn't received the Holy Spirit. This verse contradicts Pentecostals by associating receiving the Holy Spirit with believing, and not with a later event.
Good video! However I feel you focus to much on tongues and not the continuations view pentecostals hold
Happy 1000th like!
Thx for the overview bro will sub
Glad I watch this. I thought they were synonymous, because they're certainly referred to colloquially as somewhat synonymous. I now realize it's Pentecostals specifically that deviate from mainstream Christianity.
Do they believe in the trinity?
Trinitarian water baptism is baptism of the Holy Spirit. The idea of a "baptism of the Holy Spirit" apart from regular baptism is unbiblical and leads many Christians to despair over their salvation when the spiritual gifts that their pastors promise they should get fail to materialize.
Even in the Pentacostal/Charismatic churches that don't claim tongue praying is necessary for full sanctification (the Assemblies of God are pretty moderate on the matter from my experience), there is often still a lot of pressure on people to speak in tongues and those that don't are often made to feel as "lesser" in the church even if the church doesn't tell them they're not saved. This results in many people just faking it (and I would make the case that all Pentacostals claiming to be speaking in tongues are faking it.)
That...doesn't make sense. No where in the Bible does it state the water baptism is the baptism of the Holy Ghost. Just read Acts 10 where Peter preaches to Gentiles. Verse 44 says that they recieved the Holy Ghost as they heard the word, but if you continue reading in to verse 47, Peter admonishes them to be water baptized. Also, there is no such thing as a "Trinitarian baptism", nobody was baptized in Father, Son, Holy Ghost. People were only baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, for the remission of sins.
Call them emotional churches those who dance shout and scream while making stunts and added actions like those random words.
Our lord Jesus Christ is humble and simple let’s all try to be humble and simple when we spread the good news.🙏✝️
Thank you for saying this, too many have called me a hysteric for being pentecostals and witnessing instant healings along with others. God bless:)
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I've seen Healings too myself I'm healed too so were part of my family members
How? By the Holy Sacrement of Healing which Christ gave us and is still being operated by the His Holy Body (Church) which you pentecostal,protestants and many others are working to tear it apart claiming Christ didn't make order and laws in his Church giving yourselves the freewill of interpreting the Holy Books without any Holy Spirits blessings or wisdom.
Breaking the Line of his Apostolic succession,Priesthood eventually reaching this Stage of this theaters where people are being payed by actors to scream,shout and dance like worldly people while claiming to be against the world.
Dear ask yourself would Christians in 1st century act the way you guys are acting nowadays? Were they speaking real languages or blabbering Random sounds?
Were they speaking of Heavenly Riches,glories or Earthly Glories like yours?
I get it you are fed up by Modern Big Churches which use Christ Body for Influencing people like the Pope but that doesn't mean you correct it by doing another wrong get back to your roots.
look at the whole western nations since they all departed (Protested) now it's filled by Sodomy and ungodliness unholiness.
Do you ever wonder why?
Because you forgot the word Called Take up your(( CROSS))
Ever since Prosperity Gospel came the whole world of Christendom is crumbling 5x faster than when even the schism happened.
My only advice to you is to get and Repent to your roots to the first teachings of Christ Repent to Christ from all of this ungodliness which is all wrapped in his HOLY NAME
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Plus don't ever rely on miracles but by the deeds and teachings you should only rely remember that it is written that I'm the end of times Fire will come down from sky not to testify for God's but to decieve God's Chosen.
So tell which is easier to bring Fire from the sky to deceive multitudes or heal someone physically
Remember that this Ancient Serpent is the one which offered The Mighty ONE all richness,Glories of the Whole world.
So a single act of a miracle is too easy for a fallen angel.
I'm not mocking you or anyone I do know many of you actually do it out of goodness of your hearts but dear see and read from the Bible and compare with your movements.
Compare Peter The poor Fisherman who with your Pastors compare yourselves with each biblblical believer and sinner
Only then we can actually know where do we stand.
And no I'm not against Miracles infact I believe in it 200% because I've seen,felt,tasted it through my personal experience many times so why would I stand against it.
Excellent research
Mark 16:17-18 Jesus said these signs "shall" follow those who "believe", they shall lay hands on the sick and they shall recover, they shall speak with new tongues and Corinthians also says forbid not to speak in tongues, the promise is unto us and to our children and to all who are a far off as many as our lord shall call! I say seek Jesus until he finds you, "you will know when he finds you".
You need to talk about what the book says, not what man says. So, you're above all of us, that you might judge us, great, congratulations!
im 16 and a pentecostal holiness church goer (mainly bc i was born into it and know nothing else hahaha) but hardly anyone in my church, including me, speaks in tongues...so I'm left completely confused about, like, everything lol. plus, hardly anyone in my church ever talks about be baptized in the Holy Spirit so idrk
Its amazing to me as someone who was in the new age but later became saved by my saviour Jesus Christ who broke the bondage to divination, just how much the 'speaking in tongues' sounds like the new age 'light language' which new agers believe is actually a language of spirit guides and angels, but is actually demons. It was the first thing I noticed when I heard of 'speaking in tongues' as I was unknowingly going down the Pentecostal path when I first got saved. Its suprising how much the new age and the Pentecostal/charismatic movement are extremely similiar.
I think this is a pretty good summary. It's refreshing to hear intelligent conversations about the Pentecostal/Charismatic/Full Gospel churches, doctrines and theologies, without having to listen to the lambasting, lampooning, and degrading meted out by the modern day "heresy hunting" so-called "discernment ministries".
God bless:)
Heartfelt Praise
From out of the abundance of the hearth the mouth speaks, or sings. I was at a church online a few minutes ago, and they're singing the scriptures out of the Old and the New Testament. That means they're worshipping with their brain. Do me a favor church world, put the bible down, put the scriptures down and sing what's in your heart. Doesn't your love for your spouse create a new poem for you that he or she only fits in the framework of it. A word to the wise when you pray, do not quote the bible to the Lord, this is what I mean. Lord, you said, do you think he's an idiot? He knows his promises and he knows what he said, and he doesn't need a reminder, he hasn't forgotten. Those production prayers and songs you say and sing every week make the moving of God of non-effect in your church, he is not pleased. I had prayed for a woman that had gotten in a car accident and the Lord spoke to me when I was done praying. He said, let's suppose that was your wife you were praying for, would the prayer be different? I answered him, maybe. Okay, so let's pray again, this time put your heart in it. He said this to me over 20 years ago, if I pray for you, you're a family member, my family's life is not more important than your life. If your spouse is sick, I pray like it's my spouse. I have no partiality, when I pray, I don't quote the scriptures, he told me not to, and he said, I will answer the prayers that come out of your heart, not out of your understanding. Please don't ever give up, don't lose hope. And above all, do not rely on your understanding, your knowledge will do nothing in God. Your brain cannot inherit the Kingdom of God. I know a Pastor that I love dearly, and he thinks his brain is his mind. The mind of Christ, dwells in your midriff, I didn't make that up, he told me that. I have a plan here, why don't you ask God a question, I waited 6 years once for an answer, do you know what I learned, patience. We can only love God the right way, when Jesus Christ is in us, he is the love of God. And that new heart we get is his, and that new spirit we get is his. In the natural we are equal, I have a brain, you have a brain, I have arms and legs, you have arms and legs, but in the spirit realm we aren't equal, you have scriptures, I have Jesus, the author. You have the book; I have the author. Trust me beloved, without the author, you don't know what the book says, that's why you water baptize. He told the Jews, baptize in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost, and he didn't mention you. You've taken that scripture and made it today, and it's not today. John the Baptist said I use water, don't you. See, you're getting people to put their faith in the water, and they shouldn't be. And that a man might save them because you baptized them. After all, didn't you say, I baptize you? I asked the Lord one time, when you prophesy over someone, it doesn't look like I told the truth, I look like a liar. And he answered, I am telling them what I will do and what I want. Oh, okay, I'm sorry. Lord isn't there a scripture that covers that, oh you tell them and then it happens, thank you, Lord. You speak those things that are not as they are. In fact, the Pastor that received three prophecies from me, said you made this up. Just wait, it's going to happen, it was a really good prophecy. Let's get back on point. If you're going to sing and worship God, do it out of your own heart, not someone else's. My wife is a poet, she would write poems to me out of her heart, they were brand new, that was so cool, heart wrenching. Would you please start treating Jesus like he's a lover. Do not look at him just as a savior. He still has wants and desires, and it's our job to satisfy that. I can tell when the Lord moves in me, that he's enjoying where he is, he's not grieved. After all, with me he doesn't dwell in a trash can. I want nothing but the best for you, same as Paul, and Peter is not my apostle. I have to divide the things he did to find out what part was for me, and what was not for me.
I was raised in a Pentecostal church as a child/teenager. I returned to church back in 2017 and got baptized in the name of the father, son and Holy Spirit . I never agreed with the speaking in tongues or laying of hands to receive the Holy Spirit but I was used to this since this was all I knew and saw. Recently, I left the church and joined one where no one in the congregation “speaks” in tongue 👅
That's sad to hear. First off, no one in the Bible got baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. Instead, the were baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of their sins. Jesus Christ is the only name given unto men whereby we must be saved, according to Acts 4:12. Also, you say that you don't believe in the laying on off hands and speaking in tongues, but that's exactly what the apostles do in Acts. Acts 19:6 states....
"And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied."
Don't let bad teaching hinder you doing what the Bible says, to worship God in spirit and truth.
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False teachings will deceive you Jesus said go and baptize in the name of the trinity to the apostles stop spreading false teachings.Mathew28-19.
Do deny Jesus teachings?
I agree with you I see it as nonesense and false teachings seeing the speaking in unknown words rapidly I don’t see them as tongues honestly since the Bible said the apostles spoke in languages of the world not unknown and random words which is what happens in some if not all Pentecostal churches.
Plus what’s worst than all is that they say if you have that then you are saved 100% while anyone could say those words just by saying anything randomly But the laying of hands happened it’s written in the Bible by the right hand too but the authority was given to the apostles only to lay hands then ordination to bishops etc. Not any priest or pastor of our lord.
@@bigredog100 Yes, but that does not mean that God is pleased with this activity today.
@@HolaBruv The laying on of hands is not literal, look at it like your teaching someone the word, your taking them under your wing, your laying your hand on them, see.
Your video is just 5 minutes but I legitimately thought it has already been 15 minutes on minute 4
When you make “speaking in tongues “ your main focus, then you’ve already lost your focus.
Yeah that’s just part of these nut jobs
Have some respect P R. We believe in the power of the Holy Ghost mentioned on every page of the New Testament.
A better focus of Pentecostals and Charismatics should NOT surround speaking in tongues. But around these verses
1st Corinthians 2
1 And I, brethren, when I came to you, did not come with excellence of speech or of wisdom declaring to you the testimony of God. ... 4 For my speech and my preaching were not with persuasive words of human wisdom, *but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power,* 5 that your faith should not be in the wisdom of men but in the power of God.
In other words we believe that the Gospel should not be presented in mere SPEECH only but in MIRACULOUS signs that follow the lives of those who believe. And they do. And there is evidence of healings and casting out of demons all over TH-cam following Charismatic Christians if your interested in looking into that.
So I dont really see how a believer, who rightly believes in the whole cannon of scripture could be anything less then a continuationist. Theres no solid doctrinal case against the power of the Spirit with signs following believers. So why make such a contentious ruckus fighting against what is totally apparent in modern days. The power of God to heal and deliver is self evident in our times.
Speaking in tongues is practically a side note at this point. Its mostly just the major hang up of our critics. And in my view its prohibiting them from getting a deeper experience of the Spirit of God in their lives. Do to their lack of faith in what God is capable of doing.
@@TheBelovedDisciple144 I appreciate you presenting your beliefs in an easy to understand manner. And apologize if I offended you. God bless and take care ok
@@TheBelovedDisciple144 @The Beloved Disciple You can pray in jibberish TO YOURSELF and the thoughts of your heart are put on full display to the holy spirit. But the outloud tongue used to justify this modern mockery of the holy spirit, practiced in the bible 2000 years ago involve a (TRUE) (FULLY UNDERSTOOD) FOREIGN LANGUAGE, ie japanese, and the gift of tongues to translate it for THAT person that needs to hear. Example, English speaking pastor says something a Japanese native person needs to hear is than miraculously translated to Japanese by someone who obviously doesn't know the Japanese language. Thats the biblical definition of tongues....NOT some nut job in a church rambling random noises in which no one could possibly understand except another prideful nut job that wants to appear purposeful. The God, The Christ and The Holy Spirit I server are NOT the authors of confusion. We must be in the end times for such an elementary concept to be embraced by 270 million people that aren't verifying their beliefs with the inspired word of God. Another 1 billion lost in the mockery of the Roman Catholic Church! God help up!!
@@TheBelovedDisciple144 Well said
God is inside every human who treats humans and humanity with love respect and care!
Never ever abandoning human.
If otherwise they arent even animals.
I love speaking with tongues and you must to be saved
Can different people not receive different gifts from the Holy Spirit?
lol not even close…
Agree, God loves you more..
There is need to clarify baptism of the Holy Spirit and salvation. Assembly of God and Foursquare hold that salvation and the giving of the Holy Spirit occur in John 20:22 "And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit." This was salvation but it was not 'baptism of the Holy Spirit'. In Acts 2 and later we see the baptism of the Holy Spirit, either coming with tongues of fire, or later (Acts 8) by apostles laying on their hands. The point here is that salvation and baptism of the Holy Spirit are separate givings of the Holy Spirit. One can believe in Jesus and be baptised in water (receiving the Holy Spirit) yet not be baptised with the Holy Spirit. Acts 8 is an example of this where Simon (aka Sorcerer) believed in Jesus yet was not baptised in the Holy Spirit. What function does baptism in the Holy Spirit play? The function is to minister to the body of Christ, and build believers up.
Montanism 135 - 177 A.D.
But what about handling snakes?
That's baptists lol
Why do some churches that are Pentecostal reject the notion, instead calling themselves “non-denominational” or “Full Gospel”?
Was the thief on the cross saved botn again. ? Did he speak in tongs ???
The ALJC is apart of the same movement as the PAW and UPCI
In the following passages John the Immerser (Baptist) tells us that Jesus is the One Who will Baptize with or in the Holy Spirit.
Matthew 3:11 with
Mark 1:8 with
Luke 3:16 with
John 1:33 in
In all of these verses in the most literal translations, have footnotes to indicate the word "with" could also be translated, "in".
The fact is that Baptism means to immerse into a fluid substance. So the correct translation of the above should be "in" and not "with".
Acts 1:8 refers to this same event which was fulfilled in Acts 2:4.
Therefore we should use the phrase, "Baptism in the Holy Spirit" to refer to the Pentecostal experience.
The language is unknown to the speaker, and sometimes sounds like gibberish and sometimes are known languages.
I have heard message in tongues in the Pentecostal Church I attended in college, which came out in German and was interpreted by another person, into English, yet neither of them knew German. The mother of one of the recently saved college students was visiting that morning and she told us that the message was not only in German, but with the accent of low German, spoken in her home town in Southern Germany. And she told us the Interpretation, was the exact translation into English. Needless to say that helped this German born Roman Catholic eventually get save.
I have been identified, by a Cessationist Pastor, when I was praying out loud in tongues, when I though I was alone. I knew God had given me a different language that day, but that language was later identified as Hebrew by the Cessationist Pastor.
Please note that in other videos, this speaker has identified himself as a Pastor Bible College or Baptist Seminary teacher/professor.
Which means he is most likely a Cessationist. That said, he did a pretty good job of covering this topic, of which he is apparently not a part himself.
Baptists, and Pentecostals, are dishonest in redefining baptism to mean immersion. Oh, and if you're going to make up that John the Baptist was speaking of Pentecostal's "Baptism in the Holy Spirit" when he said Jesus would baptize with the holy spirit and fire, then don't forget to immerse yourself in fire. Actually, don't do this. As a Pentacostal, I'm afraid you might try it.
@@jamesreed5678 The Greek words BAPTO or BAPTIZO literally means "immerse". This word is transliterated into English not translated in most English Bibles.
So your assertion is completely all wet, forgive the pun.
@@pastorart1974 Heb 6:2 and Heb 9:10 both use the same word. In 6:2, it refers to Christian baptism. In 9:10, it refers to sprinkling. You can't show from the Bible the word means immersion.
@@jamesreed5678 I already did show you. But your mind is made up. Hebrews 6:2 and 9:10 it refers to immersions. You can deny what i am saying all you want. It does not change the truth.
Matt 3:16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: [ OUT OF THE WATER ]
Mark 1: 9 And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan.
10 And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him: [ OUT OF THE WATER ]
Romans 6: 3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: [ BURIED WITH HIM BY BAPTISM ] You don't get the image of being buried when someone sprinkles water on your heard. You do get the image of being buried when you are submerged in water. There are many in the Navy who have been BURIED AT SEA. Unlike you I am a Navy Vietnam Veteran, so I know bit more about people being buried at sea than you do.
Ancient Greek Literature such as the Iliad and the Odyssey confirm the meaning of the Greek words in question.
@@pastorart1974 Your mind is made up. All you did was point to some verses saying "baptism in the holy spirit". That doesn't show your fiction (lie) that "baptism" means immersion. The Greek word for "in" in those verses in en, which is used numerous times where "immersion" doesn't work (most commonly en a location), and not once where "immersion" is required by the context.
Hebrews 9:10 refers to the ritual cleansing of sprinkling in the Old Testament. And, of course, you just ignored that fact, which I pointed out, which contradicts your faction. Let's try again: Mark 7:4 refers to the Old Testament practice of sprinkling furniture, using the word baptizo. Baptizo dinning tables. It's not realistic to immerse tables. And, if you did immerse your table, you'd cause water damage. And, it's a reference to the Old Testament practice of sprinkling furniture (tradition of the Jews). So, sprinkling is a valid form of baptism. Deal with it.
You can't show a single verse in all the Bible where baptism is shown to be immersion. BTW, Dispensationalists are not Christians.
Excellent explanation. Too often people belonging to "elitist denominations", such as Reformed Theology or Messianic Jews take cheap shots at Pentecostals, lumping us with Word of Faith and other pseudo Pentecostal/ Charismatic ministries, particularly those from tv,
Most of the Messianic Jewish people I know are Pentecostal (Assembly of God).
I wish anyone knows what happened in Acts 2! Did Jesus not ask His disciples to tarry in Jerusalem untill power comes upon them so they can witness for Him? Was that not on the day of Pentecost that this occurred? Is that not where the name Pentecostal originated? So some people do not know that the original Church, the church of Jerusalem, Corinth, Thessalonica, Ephesus, etc, were PENTECOSTAL? Back to the Bible where the truth is found!
Don't forget that there are Charismatics that remain part of their respective denominations. And one of the largest groups are Catholic Charismatics
It always confuses me why people get so crossed on the fact that pentecostals can be energetic during worship service and even call us hysterics with speaking in tounges. There is nothing biblically against the energetic part of worship and seems to get criticism from church tradition mostly. I know for a fact that god honors this worship from my own and others' personal divine experiences with instant healing and prophetic messages from a few. So please, if you see a pentecostal online, I would ask that you would stop critiquing their worship style and even shaming them and calling them manipulated by their pastures. Doing that simply isn't fair and judgemental. God bless:)
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My mind is blown, I find it hard to believe that on the ground level chuch goers know this much about their denomination.
i took a charasmtic movement on the tollet
Truly, truly I say unto thee.. this broad cast of thee will be great in numbers after 2 summers and 2 falls!
What?!?
@@JusNoBS420 interpretation as follows: dude your channels gonna blow up in two years time. 👍🤣
Thank you for your opinion but a man with a experience is not at the mercy of one with a argument.i have walked for 50 years
I HAVE HEARD ANGELS SPEAKING IN GLOSSOLALIA . but never spoke it that tongue myself .Because like Jesus the Holy Spirit is meek and humble and will not force you to speak in the heavenly language if you dont want .But I do remember Jesus saying that when we come to heaven its best to come as a child .For when a child comes into this world one of the first things they learn is the language . SO WHEN WE GET TO HEAVEN WE WILL HAVE TO LEARN THE LANGUAGE SPOKEN THERE AS A CHILD DOES HERE . so come to heaven as a child NOT KNOWING ANYTHING that way its easier to teach you what you need to know
iDubbbz's good brother :D
pentecostal and charismatic churches need to read 1st Corinthians capter 14 in regards to "intelligibility" in worship.....if it does not edify the whole church...with interpretation....you need to worship God in prayer by yourself in edification for yourself....
after almost 2000 yrs of christianity the pentacostal started in the early 20th century?
I've heard Pentecostals argue that God restored tongues in preparation of Christ's imminent return. With all their false dates and the years flowing by, it makes that argument, pulled out of their behinds, look increasingly Imbecilic.
You have to know how to rightly divide.
Very informative. All of these denominations believe in the inerrancy of scripture. But none believe the bible says the same thing. It does not make sense when the bible has no errors. The denominations are the ones with error. You point out the differences very well and non-judgemental. The "churches" are in a ball of confusion and most don't know it.
What they have in common is the very thing that causes them confusion. It's just sad.
If you are building a house and use the incorrect tools the parts will not line up. Jesus said in Acts 1 because His disciples wanted the Kingdom and wanted it now. That it is not for you to know the time and season.
Spiritually speaking the churches today are just like the disciples not understanding the time or seasons. The season changed after Paul became minister to the Gentiles. They do not get it and are in a ball of confusion. Sad.
It's not so much confusion as fraud. Pentacostal leaders are frauds. The pretend to have a connection with God they don't have, for their own power and enrichment.