Sir. If you have one saved sheep or one innocent child or one severely mentally handicapped person burning in the Lake of Fire, then you just made Eternal Salvation and Eternal soul rest promises by Jesus, null and void. It's ESCAPE then judgment! God bless
@@williamverdell8856 absolutely! It's escape then judgment. Jesus mentioned Days of Noah and Days of Lot. Both had an ESCAPE and then judgment. Anything post tribulational rapture you have severely mentally handicapped, innocent children, and saved sheep burning for taking the Mark.
@@williamverdell8856 God always saves HIS PEOPLE and then judgment. Look at seal #2. Peace is taken from the entire world and its brother against brother. It's a great sword! I picture rotting corpses everywhere. Jesus is the Prince of Peace. We don't have this test. Only God haters who made evil their choice. Now it's Mark or No Mark for THEM
@@williamverdell8856 I am an Electrical Engineer and I have 30+ years of intensive studying the hard way. Reading and cross reference with a Matthew Henry Concordance. I now have things easy, I can search now. By the time I am finished, you will change your shirt to Post Tribulation Rapture is a Lie. I am this confident. You are just one of many I have debated.
If the 1335th day is the rapture, and is the 1335th day from the mid-point of the 70th week, then that means the saints are given into the hand of the antichrist for 1335 days, not 1260 days that Daniel 7 indicates. That would also be a lengthening of the days, not a shortening of the days, that Matt 24 talks about.
Everytime we talk brother u add something, or take away something, what does Daniel 7:21-25 say about how long the saints are given into the hands of the antichrist? Then don't add to that just because u dont understand that scripture, if it tells u 1,260 days then that's exactly what it is.
@@williamverdell8856 Notice how I said “Daniel 7 indicates”, meaning that in *my understanding* of the text it’s teaching 1260 days, even though I recognize this isn’t directly stated. Making inferences is something we all do with scripture, whether they be good or bad inferences. If we can’t make inferences, then there’s no use in teaching the Bible and giving the sense of the meaning, because in that case we should only read the text and leave it at that. How do you interpret Daniel 7:25’s phrase “…time and times and the dividing of time…” ? How long is this period? And what scripture would you use to demonstrate that? “And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.” Daniel 7:25 KJV
@@ProjectCould Revelation 13:5 brother scripture says he will reign, this means over all kindreds, tongues, and people, go 42 months, when those three and a half years are over, he will no longer reign over all the nation's of the earth, at what level he will be in authority after that it will certainly not be over the whole earth, because he only reigns over all the earth for 1,260 days.
@@williamverdell8856 OK, thanks for sharing. While that’s an interesting idea you have, the problem I have is that Matt 24:15-21 indicates the time of great tribulation, which I would put as beginning at the mid-point, continues to be worldwide through the time of the rapture. The rapture happens because of the worldwide persecution of Christians. I also don’t see any scripture that clearly communicates that the antichrist will go from a worldwide reign to a less than worldwide reign. For example, at Armageddon, the armies of the whole world gather together against Christ. Furthermore, the non-elect of the world will have already received the mark of the beast, thereby securing the worldwide reign of the antichrist. So unless you think that some people who have received the mark will rebel against the beast, or something like that, then the antichrist’s worldwide reign continues on until it’s finally destroyed at Armageddon, which is past the 42 month reign.
@@ProjectCould like I said to u many times in the past your fight is not with me, your fighting with the Bible, the Bible says he reigns 42 months not me, I don't know why your trying to make me wrong, your fighting with Jesus not me.
Hello The rapture is the catching up to meet Jesus as he descends earth at the second coming When a royal visitor or important figure would come you would go out to meet them and escort them into the city Jesus is coming to the earth to rule the nations with believers Believers will go up to meet him and descend to the earth with him
Question, what is Revelation 7:9-14 and Revelation 14:14-16? Where are they raptured to? When are they raptured? Please give scripture to support your answer? And
@@williamverdell8856 When a royal visitor or important figure would come you would go out to meet them and escort them into the city Jesus is coming to the earth to rule the nations with believers Believers will go up to meet him and descend to the earth with him Parousia (G3952) is translated 'coming' in 1 Thess. 4:15 and has the following meaning: Physical presence, arrival - The main use is the physical presence of a person. Where that person is not already present refers to the prospect of the physical arrival of that person, especially the visit of a royal or official personage. Apantesis (G529) is translated 'meet' in 1 Thess. 4:17. It is a technical term that refers specifically to the practice of sending a delegation outside the city walls and gates to receive a dignitary who was coming. This was the practice when a king and his army were returning from war. All the people would pour forth from the city gates and welcome them with pomp and circumstance. The people would meet them outside and then usher them back into the city with shouts of joy and acclamation. W E Vines The thought of be taken away to heaven is really found nowhere
@@mitchellc4 u said the thought of being taken to heaven is found nowhere, well if u will read Revelation 8:9-14 and Revelation 14:14-16 along with Revelation 15:1-3 u will see when both of these multitudes are Raptured they are both taken back to heaven, this is easy to see if u will simply read the scriptures I give as proof, I can't understand why people tell me I'm wrong on something that if they would simply read the scriptures they wouldn't make the responses they make, both of these multitudes when taken out of the earth are taken to heaven, read the scriptures I give before u respond.
@@williamverdell8856 Hello No there is no “going to heaven” For one Believers are resurrected at the second coming 1 Cor 15 22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ. Not before
@@mitchellc4 ok tell me how did the multitude of Revelation 7:9 who were identified as the great tribulation believer's in verses 13-14 how did they get to heaven, standing before the throne verse 9-10 with palms in there hands if they didn't go to heaven? It's easy for u to say nope, people who don't know what they talking about say nope, and don't explain the very scriptures they say nope about, so let's see are u as good as u say u are, u explain to me how these people are standing before the throne having come out of great tribulation?
Sir. If you have one saved sheep or one innocent child or one severely mentally handicapped person burning in the Lake of Fire, then you just made Eternal Salvation and Eternal soul rest promises by Jesus, null and void. It's ESCAPE then judgment! God bless
Well if u like to debate the pre trib rapture, I'm willing, just let me know.
@@williamverdell8856 absolutely! It's escape then judgment. Jesus mentioned Days of Noah and Days of Lot. Both had an ESCAPE and then judgment. Anything post tribulational rapture you have severely mentally handicapped, innocent children, and saved sheep burning for taking the Mark.
@@williamverdell8856 God always saves HIS PEOPLE and then judgment. Look at seal #2. Peace is taken from the entire world and its brother against brother. It's a great sword! I picture rotting corpses everywhere. Jesus is the Prince of Peace. We don't have this test. Only God haters who made evil their choice. Now it's Mark or No Mark for THEM
@@williamverdell8856 I am an Electrical Engineer and I have 30+ years of intensive studying the hard way. Reading and cross reference with a Matthew Henry Concordance. I now have things easy, I can search now. By the time I am finished, you will change your shirt to Post Tribulation Rapture is a Lie. I am this confident. You are just one of many I have debated.
@@CowboysFan777 ok so let's go, give me one point at a time that supports a pre trib rapture, and we will go from there
If the 1335th day is the rapture, and is the 1335th day from the mid-point of the 70th week, then that means the saints are given into the hand of the antichrist for 1335 days, not 1260 days that Daniel 7 indicates. That would also be a lengthening of the days, not a shortening of the days, that Matt 24 talks about.
Everytime we talk brother u add something, or take away something, what does Daniel 7:21-25 say about how long the saints are given into the hands of the antichrist? Then don't add to that just because u dont understand that scripture, if it tells u 1,260 days then that's exactly what it is.
@@williamverdell8856 Notice how I said “Daniel 7 indicates”, meaning that in *my understanding* of the text it’s teaching 1260 days, even though I recognize this isn’t directly stated. Making inferences is something we all do with scripture, whether they be good or bad inferences.
If we can’t make inferences, then there’s no use in teaching the Bible and giving the sense of the meaning, because in that case we should only read the text and leave it at that.
How do you interpret Daniel 7:25’s phrase “…time and times and the dividing of time…” ? How long is this period? And what scripture would you use to demonstrate that?
“And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.”
Daniel 7:25 KJV
@@ProjectCould Revelation 13:5 brother scripture says he will reign, this means over all kindreds, tongues, and people, go 42 months, when those three and a half years are over, he will no longer reign over all the nation's of the earth, at what level he will be in authority after that it will certainly not be over the whole earth, because he only reigns over all the earth for 1,260 days.
@@williamverdell8856 OK, thanks for sharing.
While that’s an interesting idea you have, the problem I have is that Matt 24:15-21 indicates the time of great tribulation, which I would put as beginning at the mid-point, continues to be worldwide through the time of the rapture. The rapture happens because of the worldwide persecution of Christians. I also don’t see any scripture that clearly communicates that the antichrist will go from a worldwide reign to a less than worldwide reign. For example, at Armageddon, the armies of the whole world gather together against Christ. Furthermore, the non-elect of the world will have already received the mark of the beast, thereby securing the worldwide reign of the antichrist. So unless you think that some people who have received the mark will rebel against the beast, or something like that, then the antichrist’s worldwide reign continues on until it’s finally destroyed at Armageddon, which is past the 42 month reign.
@@ProjectCould like I said to u many times in the past your fight is not with me, your fighting with the Bible, the Bible says he reigns 42 months not me, I don't know why your trying to make me wrong, your fighting with Jesus not me.
Hello
The rapture is the catching up to meet Jesus as he descends earth at the second coming
When a royal visitor or important figure would come you would go out to meet them and escort them into the city
Jesus is coming to the earth to rule the nations with believers
Believers will go up to meet him and descend to the earth with him
Question, what is Revelation 7:9-14 and Revelation 14:14-16?
Where are they raptured to?
When are they raptured?
Please give scripture to support your answer?
And
@@williamverdell8856
When a royal visitor or important figure would come you would go out to meet them and escort them into the city
Jesus is coming to the earth to rule the nations with believers
Believers will go up to meet him and descend to the earth with him
Parousia (G3952) is translated 'coming' in 1 Thess. 4:15 and has the following meaning:
Physical presence, arrival - The main use is the physical presence of a person. Where that person is not already present refers to the prospect of the physical arrival of that person, especially the visit of a royal or official personage.
Apantesis (G529) is translated 'meet' in 1 Thess. 4:17. It is a technical term that refers specifically to the practice of sending a delegation outside the city walls and gates to receive a dignitary who was coming. This was the practice when a king and his army were returning from war. All the people would pour forth from the city gates and welcome them with pomp and circumstance. The people would meet them outside and then usher them back into the city with shouts of joy and acclamation.
W E Vines
The thought of be taken away to heaven is really found nowhere
@@mitchellc4 u said the thought of being taken to heaven is found nowhere, well if u will read Revelation 8:9-14 and
Revelation 14:14-16 along with Revelation 15:1-3 u will see when both of these multitudes are Raptured they are both taken back to heaven, this is easy to see if u will simply read the scriptures I give as proof, I can't understand why people tell me I'm wrong on something that if they would simply read the scriptures they wouldn't make the responses they make, both of these multitudes when taken out of the earth are taken to heaven, read the scriptures I give before u respond.
@@williamverdell8856
Hello
No there is no “going to heaven”
For one
Believers are resurrected at the second coming
1 Cor 15
22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ.
Not before
@@mitchellc4 ok tell me how did the multitude of Revelation 7:9 who were identified as the great tribulation believer's in verses 13-14 how did they get to heaven, standing before the throne verse 9-10 with palms in there hands if they didn't go to heaven?
It's easy for u to say nope, people who don't know what they talking about say nope, and don't explain the very scriptures they say nope about, so let's see are u as good as u say u are, u explain to me how these people are standing before the throne having come out of great tribulation?