its the same tactic that consoles have been doing for years tbh. Its a loss leader for an ecosystem introduction. In this case tho, its not even a loss leader and I wouldn't be surprised if Valve is charging a licensing fee for the "SteamOS inside" sticker and license to using it for the product.
@@j3y445 Since Steam takes 30% of the revenue from games sold, they could split this revenue for games purchased on handheld devices with the manufacturers of those handhelds. This approach could incentivize more manufacturers to adopt SteamOS for their handheld devices.
You act like he's in charge of marketing and strategy lol. Any person with half a brain knows that if you get more potential customers, you get more money. You guys gotta stop caping for that fat dude, it's embarrassing
@@j3y445according to the interview I saw with the valve guy it's completely free for Lenovo. The sticker only means that valve is handling the software updates and that they are partnered.
"The direct competitor of the Steam Deck" *Runs the exact same operating system* Considering the Deck wasn't making profits but rather just to put steam on people's hands (and make profits from that), this can only be a good outcome for Valve (much deserved!)
The legion is sold in Best buy. The steam deck is sold only on the steam store but they're about to do is get in front of everybody's eyes. There's people who've never even heard of steam... This is a big move they're about to become the default operating system for gaming PCs
Oh no, a direct competitor to our low margin hand held... oh no, we gave our OS away for free, we are so dumb our competitors hand helds will be cheaper than their window based competitors... oh no, we will just have to settle for our paultry 30% sales commission on all Steam games.
@@philosoaper Times are changing, people are using desktop PCs as such (and not for gaming) less and less. Windows is just fumbling too much, anyone serious is switching to Apple or Linux, and most people let's face it don't need anything more than a smartphone/tablet with "desktop mode".
The Lenovo partnership is exciting to me because it opens up the possibility of them eventually offering SteamOS for their gaming laptops. That'd be a huge step in legitimizing Linux as a viable alternative to Windows, imo.
SteamOS isn't anything special, it's just Steam's Big Picture mode running on its own. On laptops you'd have a far better experience with a more standard linux desktop, like Pop! or Fedora.
5:05 look like love hating on windows as much as the next guy, but is the 1tb windows version really gonna be installed with 500gb worth of bloatware to make it a "negligible" difference to the 512gb steam version? I find that hard to believe.
You were exaggerating to make a point? It didn't feel like you were joking or exaggerating though, it seemed like you really meant it @@gardiner_bryant
@@deluge6479 Once you start installing software on Windows to make it usable, like the Linux subsystem, a package manager, git for Windows, Docker for Windows, etc. you get to 100GB real fast, where with Linux these tools and their dependencies are often part of the base system, and thus take less space.
I see this 16gb ram, 512gb storage for the SteamOS version on some videos and I don't know why some of the videos keep omitting that the SteamOS version also has a 32gb ram, 1tb storage option as well. That was confirmed by Lenovo and it's listed on their product sheets at their CES booths. I'm not sure why some of these videos keep trying to make it seem like the SteamOS version is only getting 16gb ram.
I suspect it is just that the 16GB model is the one they were given to test, or with the full specs revealed to them when they are recording their coverage of the device - you talk about what is in front of you more than the options you don't have, and if Lenovo didn't tell them about all the versions in advance and maybe even ask them to talk about it...
@@foldionepapyrus3441Certainly possible. But there are videos from people in attendance talking about all the versions that will be available and yet, most of the articles are only talking about the 16gb version as if that's the only version the SteamOS model will have. Some of those same articles are coming from people who were in attendance and have videos of themselves standing right next to the specsheet showing that it will have 16 and 32gb models. So it doesn't make sense to me.
Hopefully by this time next year it's available for desktops and even better thinking hopefully some companies start to enable their anti-cheat for Linux.
IIRC Microsoft realizes they lost big time on small devices like phones, tablets, handhelds, so they give out the license for free on such devices. At least that's what I heard.
My steam deck is still good enough. Not very excited for this... yet. I want to see what it can do that my steamdeck can't. Will it have better grill smell?
It was incredibly funny to me that people were sniffing the exhaust vent on the Deck, but then I got my own, and I realised why. I have no idea why it smells like that, but it does.
Exactly. Ironically to me, more interesting would be a SteamOS device in the $1000 price range with a top of the line APU (Strix Halo). But this is basically just another Steam Deck around the same price but without the controls. Meh.
Nice video. I did ask PCMag in their interview with Pierre-Loup Griffais (Valve's Engineer present at the event) if they talked Nvidia offline, and I hope they did, and that it is positive.
I feel like the non handheld public release of Steam OS 3 is going to be held back a little until a few more handhelds are supported, definitely some time in the next 12 months probably I guess?
I do not dual boot anymore. I'm only on Linux. I never plan on installing Windows again. At this point, I think it's generally accepted that nearly any game can run on Linux; even games with anticheat *could* run if developers were willing to open the doors. I'm hopeful that SteamOS will make Linux a serious contender in the space, increase its market share, and increase developer support for Linux (or just Proton) across the board. I want to be able to play competitive online games if I wish. I also want ordinary, non-nerdy people to discover Linux and appreciate how smooth an optimized Linux experience can be.
Unfortunately not many tech channels do these kinds of tests, you can maybe find some tests for a specific game that happens to be done on a gpu that you're looking for
I think since their main focus is on handhelds, it will make handhelds more popular but it won't be revolutionary for desktop users as there are a lot of challenges to address; for example, the variety of hardware desktop users are using or other apps they want to use.
I find it interesting that the 2280 is mentioned but I guess we will see. Dave2D took off the backplate and all he saw was a 2242, but I am really hoping that it can support the 2280. I am more interested in the Legion Go 2, but we shall see as more information is released.
@ Ok thanks, did also confirm that myself. I am still blown away that Lenovo is choosing to use 2242 drives, but I know that many of their other products use that form factor too.
im really only interested in linux gaming on the desktop. the steam deck and mobile side is cool though. do you have any good setup/configuration guides for gaming on linux desktop?
Not only do I wanna see an install video, I wanna see a “how to break it” video of all the ways you could think of that someone messing with steamOS could brick it and such
Valve’s long-term play here is brilliant! Distribution and a larger install base is what they are aiming for. This translates to more data. They can sit back and be patient, as everything has now been set in-motion.
It's only brilliant if they pick devices that people actually want. If they had partnered with ASUS for the Ally X, that would be brilliant. But this thing? Hardly any reason to get it over a Steam Deck.. it may bomb and then Lenovo will blame SteamOS.
Ally is pretty niche product. This will probably be one too as most are waiting for steamdeck2. original deck still does the job and not many wants to buy toys like these without proper support.
Will the Windows version of the Legion Go also have a touch pad? I assume it's only present because Valve require one for SteamOS. The touch pad also looks very small.
it seems like there will be a 1tb steamos versions too, so i don't think you need to go with windows if you want more storage. things aren't very clear right now and it's hard to figure out lenovo's strategy
@hornantuutti5157 your average end user isnt going to replace a component and then reinstall the operating system as soon as they get it out of the bed
Besides keeping my fingers crossed for the release of Steam OS for desktops, one of the things I'm actually super hopeful for is some company creating a lower powered, inexpensive, lightweight (literally, physically lighter weight) Steam OS-powered handheld device made specifically for playing lower-spec indie games. I'd really love to pay 200 - 300 dollars for a lower spec machine (that, as a result of needing less beefy hardware, can perhaps reduce the size and weight) that can comfortably fit in a pocket and be used to play low spec or retro PC games. I don't see many other people talking about something like this, but I'm hopeful that now that Steam OS is going to other platforms, someone will do it.
I'm excited for the steamos on new devices. Only comment is windows 11 default install is only about 26gb total, that's 5% of a half tb drive. Yes steamOS is smaller (6-7gb) but not so much you still wouldn't want a. 1TB Drive
55 wh is insane. Especially with the same chipset. It's literally just a smaller legion go. And no reason for anyone with a fist gen handheld to upgrade. I'll keep my ally x with Bazzite
A windows install is about 30gb plus the size of your ram for the hibernation file and the swap file unless you disable them, but you're right in that I'd rather go for SteamOS in a handheld that wasn't something like the GPD Win Mini.
the difference between a 500GB steamOS and 1TB windows is about 400 GB - 450GB(how do i know i have windows 11 on a device with 256 GB of storage and i still can install BG3 plus some other stuff i need to run)
With all the Ayaneo devices and Legion Go and ROG Ally, there are plenty of handheld devices that could use one interface. Using Windows with some cranky launchers works, but just. SteamOS definitely makes it easier...for those games that work well.
Virtually all games work well, if you exclude competitive multiplayer. Basically the decision tree is simple, do you play competitive multiplayer at all on your handheld? If yes, get Windows, if no, get SteamOS.
@@UpscaleHD its actually the trackpad though. I think Valve's haptic pads on both sides are far superior because of the steam input tricks you can do like custom trackpad menus
I just bought a used 1TB Legion GO. Its my first handheld. Is it worth it to return it and just wait for the Legion GO S? Is Steam OS that much of a deal breaker? Can I still play my EpicGames and GOG games with a Steam OS system?
Looks like Lenovo did almost everything right. Its still open in the air if we can trust Lenovo of supporting the device for years, like Valve does. And the missing trackpads are a blow. But I did not expect the price to be competitive, definitely a surprise. This is certainly the first Deck alternative that is interesting.
It's competitive, but not really anything that will shake up the market. Any performance gains vs the Steam Deck will be eaten up by the too high resolution on the screen. So you get a Steam Deck, same price, lower battery life, same performance, less controls, less reliable support...
@@seeibe The chip is probably more efficient and therefore will last longer by same performance level. I don't know why they went with the higher resolution, but you can always set and play at 800p again. The VRR display will truly help with the perceived performance. I don't care about the 120 Hz, 90 is plenty enough already or even my 60 at the current time. Overall we need to wait and see. It is a bit too early to beat it up right now. This device looks promising. Only real missing feature are the trackpads, which is a huge blow to me, as I expect this as part of any future Steam controlled device.
I can't wait for this. I had to buy Steam Deck almost illegally, from another country. But Lenovo products are available in our local stores. And 2280 space is great for upgrading, 4TB here we come 😂👍
Yeah we NEED Steam Os, for desktop PCs. With decent GTX/RTX support. Before EOL of windows 10. I would love upgrade my old GTX 1080ti. But even 6900xt here Canada still going $1200 Canadian. WTF???? Still hope we see steam console. AMD Zen 3/ zen 4 APU, With proper dedicated GDDR6 (RDNA3 or better 256 bit bus or more) steam console with steam os. Windows 11= Bloatware.
Wasn't the problem is that if you buy the Window's version you don't get all the buttons, needed for Steam OS. That would be a deal breakers for serious gamers. Wait for the Steam OS Legion Go S, or Steam Deck 2.
I wonder how many more SteamOS based will begin to be announced now that the SteamOS floodgates have opened? Exciting times to be a Linux enthusiast and gamer.
Keep in mind tho, that the 5000 series is boosting a insane Ping boost. like... Unreal advantage. Idk what would be better, external GPU with a 5000 series when im at home, there will be bottle necking issues for sure, but will that affect the ms/ping? Testing is needed! Sounds like someone needs to buy a 5000 series and write it off on taxes XD
Personally if I get this I wouldn't be opposed to getting the 32GB RAM + 1TB Storage with windows 11 on it & just installing Steam OS 3 on it I mean if they both have the same hardware then its shouldn't be that much trouble to simply install a different OS on it the same as if you were to do it on the first Legion Go.
It's really sad they don't offer the 1tb version with SteamOS also. Now there will definitely be users who buy the 1tb version and then just install SteamOS on it which will still count as "I wanted the windows version" sale.
What makes you say that, from their own website "Up to 1T PCIe SSD (Gen4) (2242, 2280 compatible)" is filled in on both the non-SteamOS version as well as the SteamOS versoin.
I can verify that you get about 300gb after windows is installed. I got a new work laptop with windows 11 that has 512gb drive. I do have some programs installed on it so it might be closer to 320 but it burns a lot of that drive for just the OS
They will definitely launch SteamOS for desktop PCs a little before Windows 10 reaches End Of Life, by then they'll have NTsync in the kernel, which makes games run a lot better.
@@deluge6479 That an idealistic affirmation. What's really gonna happen is: "Wow Valve released that "Steam Deck OS for normal PCs and it's like Windows but without its annoyances!"
@@gardiner_bryant some games struggle a little too much on my steam deck (for my liking). As far as I understood the z2 go is not really more powerful then the z1. We also have already z1 extreme devices. A Legion go with steamos and z2 could be the unofficial steam deck 1.5 ;-) a more powerful deck with official support from valves (steamos side)
We can thank the financial success of the switch for this new era. I was waiting for steamdeck 2 to get into the handled pc world but thanks to this third party steamdecks, I most likely will get one in 2025 or 2026
Comparing a generic and not gaming or Steam specific OS like Windows to a single-app optimized OS like SteamOS is like comparing apples to oranges, imo
Im just wondering if we will ever see steam deck 2. I just cant see valve investing into hardware when they can let other manufacturers do the leg work and still make a profit.
Steam Deck 2 will happen, they said in an interview a month or so ago that it isn't coming any time soon because they want to make sure the performance is a worthwhile upgrade and the tech just isn't there yet.
Lenovo hasn't done a good job at laying out exactly what's in each device. I've heard from creators about 3 different APU's being in the S variant, and on Lenovo's own presentation table was a card that said "Z2" for the Legion Go 2 - not the Z2 Extreme.
its dissapointing that you need the white one to get the 32gb of RAM. 16gb is ok but that is shared with Vram and it would be nice to be able to leave vram at 8/10gb without it affecting your remaining ram for general operations. 16gb just isnt enough, id rather them compromise and put in 24gb like the ROG ally X
Valve's press release says that SteamOS will be on "certain models" of the Legion Go S. I suspect that you'll be able to customize CPU, RAM, and Storage at checkout.
@@gardiner_bryant I dont know, i like the idea but the logistics to provide that service for a nieche product may be difficult. Hopefully you are correct, though. Ive got my lego with bazzite for now. Its not perfect and im definately looking forward to official steamOS.. It cant come quick enough :P
Bro. I didn't expect you to be such a font of disinformation. A stock windows 11 install is 25gb and Microsoft recommends 60gb if you install every conceivable bell and whistle including virtual memory.
Windows don't use 200 GB. I don't know how much bloatware someone must install to reach 200 GB. I have 512GB SSD in my workstation. I use Windows 11 2024H2 Pro with Windows subsystem for Linux (Ubuntu 2020 LTS), Docker with Kubernetes and lots of apps for software engineering. I have 67 GB used 408 GB free. BTW. All handhelds with Windows released in 2022-2024 used 512 GB drive
Valve doesn't care about competition on the console. They want more people to use steam so they get their cut. Gabe is playing intergalactic 5D chess
its the same tactic that consoles have been doing for years tbh. Its a loss leader for an ecosystem introduction. In this case tho, its not even a loss leader and I wouldn't be surprised if Valve is charging a licensing fee for the "SteamOS inside" sticker and license to using it for the product.
@@j3y445 Since Steam takes 30% of the revenue from games sold, they could split this revenue for games purchased on handheld devices with the manufacturers of those handhelds.
This approach could incentivize more manufacturers to adopt SteamOS for their handheld devices.
You act like he's in charge of marketing and strategy lol. Any person with half a brain knows that if you get more potential customers, you get more money. You guys gotta stop caping for that fat dude, it's embarrassing
@@alskdj5701 you know you can side load as long as the game supports Linux, right?
@@j3y445according to the interview I saw with the valve guy it's completely free for Lenovo. The sticker only means that valve is handling the software updates and that they are partnered.
"The direct competitor of the Steam Deck"
*Runs the exact same operating system*
Considering the Deck wasn't making profits but rather just to put steam on people's hands (and make profits from that), this can only be a good outcome for Valve (much deserved!)
@@andreaspatsalides1914 all this extra revenue will fund that new steam deck 2 🔥
The legion is sold in Best buy. The steam deck is sold only on the steam store but they're about to do is get in front of everybody's eyes. There's people who've never even heard of steam... This is a big move they're about to become the default operating system for gaming PCs
Oh no, a direct competitor to our low margin hand held...
oh no, we gave our OS away for free, we are so dumb our competitors hand helds will be cheaper than their window based competitors...
oh no, we will just have to settle for our paultry 30% sales commission on all Steam games.
I thought they said they do make a small profit on the Steam Deck
@FahadAyaz maybe, then again, the main profit must the steam store itself
the year of the linux desktop is really coming
handhelds are not desktops... and since it's razor focused on gaming.. it's about as "desktop computer" as a playstation
@@philosoaper I can't run PlayStation games on my PC, Steam games do run on my Desktop PC.
The Year of Linux Desktop was 2024.
Nowadays noone wants Windows.
@@philosoaper Times are changing, people are using desktop PCs as such (and not for gaming) less and less. Windows is just fumbling too much, anyone serious is switching to Apple or Linux, and most people let's face it don't need anything more than a smartphone/tablet with "desktop mode".
@@webxorcistand playstation games are on steam XD
The Lenovo partnership is exciting to me because it opens up the possibility of them eventually offering SteamOS for their gaming laptops. That'd be a huge step in legitimizing Linux as a viable alternative to Windows, imo.
Seriously no windows don't take 200GB. Maybe 20 or so. But sure it's big and not meant for just gaming handheld.
SteamOS isn't anything special, it's just Steam's Big Picture mode running on its own.
On laptops you'd have a far better experience with a more standard linux desktop, like Pop! or Fedora.
@@gamingallday9225 nah not 20. it takes at least a 100 gb these days with the copilot bloatware.
Why would you possibly want a barebones OS on a laptop? Let's slow down the excitement and just enjoy your handheld
@@cromfrein you guys have no idea how most people actually use their laptops and what they are expecting their laptops to do
Hopefully this will encourage developers to support linux at least through proton
... Even more. I also hope that other stores see the value in this. Lutris and Heroic works pretty well but not a perfect experience.
The _steam_ train is slow to accelerate, but once it does, there's no stopping it from _steamrolling_ the competition 😁
5:05 look like love hating on windows as much as the next guy, but is the 1tb windows version really gonna be installed with 500gb worth of bloatware to make it a "negligible" difference to the 512gb steam version? I find that hard to believe.
It was a joke. I was exaggerating lol... But I have seen a Windows 11 install take nearly 100gb before
@@gardiner_bryantyou can debloat windows pretty easily, but 100gb is an exaggeration though I've never seen anything close to that
You were exaggerating to make a point?
It didn't feel like you were joking or exaggerating though, it seemed like you really meant it @@gardiner_bryant
@@deluge6479 Once you start installing software on Windows to make it usable, like the Linux subsystem, a package manager, git for Windows, Docker for Windows, etc. you get to 100GB real fast, where with Linux these tools and their dependencies are often part of the base system, and thus take less space.
Idk what's going on but i ince installed Windows 10 on a 24GB SSD and it worked just fine. (I used a thumb drive for file storage). @@gardiner_bryant
Not to mention SteamOS is being released for EVERYONE to try on our own hardware
@tohur PC too?!
When will be available?
@@Rohgamu Any hardware with AMD GPUs
@@mestido Prob in next couple months or so.. around when the Legion Go S launches
Nvidia too? I don't think so
I see this 16gb ram, 512gb storage for the SteamOS version on some videos and I don't know why some of the videos keep omitting that the SteamOS version also has a 32gb ram, 1tb storage option as well. That was confirmed by Lenovo and it's listed on their product sheets at their CES booths. I'm not sure why some of these videos keep trying to make it seem like the SteamOS version is only getting 16gb ram.
I suspect it is just that the 16GB model is the one they were given to test, or with the full specs revealed to them when they are recording their coverage of the device - you talk about what is in front of you more than the options you don't have, and if Lenovo didn't tell them about all the versions in advance and maybe even ask them to talk about it...
@@foldionepapyrus3441Certainly possible. But there are videos from people in attendance talking about all the versions that will be available and yet, most of the articles are only talking about the 16gb version as if that's the only version the SteamOS model will have. Some of those same articles are coming from people who were in attendance and have videos of themselves standing right next to the specsheet showing that it will have 16 and 32gb models. So it doesn't make sense to me.
Hopefully by this time next year it's available for desktops and even better thinking hopefully some companies start to enable their anti-cheat for Linux.
I want valorant on linux 😢
Also keep in mind that they need to pay licensing fees to ship windows on the device, hence the more expensive price tag besides the bigger HDD
OEM pays dirty cheap for windows, there's even an antitrust lawsuit about it (the Edge one)
IIRC Microsoft realizes they lost big time on small devices like phones, tablets, handhelds, so they give out the license for free on such devices. At least that's what I heard.
My steam deck is still good enough. Not very excited for this... yet. I want to see what it can do that my steamdeck can't. Will it have better grill smell?
@snowblindu 💀😭😂
It was incredibly funny to me that people were sniffing the exhaust vent on the Deck, but then I got my own, and I realised why.
I have no idea why it smells like that, but it does.
@@pixels_per_minuteglue on the radiator sticker....
Exactly. Ironically to me, more interesting would be a SteamOS device in the $1000 price range with a top of the line APU (Strix Halo). But this is basically just another Steam Deck around the same price but without the controls. Meh.
Nice video. I did ask PCMag in their interview with Pierre-Loup Griffais (Valve's Engineer present at the event) if they talked Nvidia offline, and I hope they did, and that it is positive.
I can see them releasing the public beta in May, alongside more announcements of hardware we've yet to see.
I feel like the non handheld public release of Steam OS 3 is going to be held back a little until a few more handhelds are supported, definitely some time in the next 12 months probably I guess?
Im curious what the z2 go vs the z1 extreme results will be
I do not dual boot anymore. I'm only on Linux. I never plan on installing Windows again.
At this point, I think it's generally accepted that nearly any game can run on Linux; even games with anticheat *could* run if developers were willing to open the doors. I'm hopeful that SteamOS will make Linux a serious contender in the space, increase its market share, and increase developer support for Linux (or just Proton) across the board. I want to be able to play competitive online games if I wish. I also want ordinary, non-nerdy people to discover Linux and appreciate how smooth an optimized Linux experience can be.
I'm kind of curious if the home directory will be named legion instead of deck
Would love to see a tutorial on installing steam os on the ROG ALLY X! 😊
I hope I can put SteamOS on my original Legion Go. I love that thing. Right now I'm using Bazzite on it.
Once they release it you will be able to.
You would essentially have the exact same experience as with Bazzite..
In theory. Ive used bazzite and it is not quite the same.
Is there any good videos on windows vs Linux performance for Nvidia cards?
Unfortunately not many tech channels do these kinds of tests, you can maybe find some tests for a specific game that happens to be done on a gpu that you're looking for
I'm very excited
Likewise!
I think since their main focus is on handhelds, it will make handhelds more popular but it won't be revolutionary for desktop users as there are a lot of challenges to address; for example, the variety of hardware desktop users are using or other apps they want to use.
wont the Legion Go S be the first proper linux machine in a brick and mortar store?
Las time i checked you could isntall windows on a 24GB SSD just fine.
@@bland9876 that's a Bad idea Even on a VM. 50GB it's enough. Dude is trash talking anyway
Can you pls make a tutorial install of SteamOS 3 with Nvidia drivers?
That doesn't exist yet afaik
Even making it an acronym is a tongue twister... LGSPSOs - Legion Go S - Powered by Steam OS...
I find it interesting that the 2280 is mentioned but I guess we will see. Dave2D took off the backplate and all he saw was a 2242, but I am really hoping that it can support the 2280. I am more interested in the Legion Go 2, but we shall see as more information is released.
The spec sheet says that it supports 2242 and 2280
@ Ok thanks, did also confirm that myself. I am still blown away that Lenovo is choosing to use 2242 drives, but I know that many of their other products use that form factor too.
im really only interested in linux gaming on the desktop. the steam deck and mobile side is cool though. do you have any good setup/configuration guides for gaming on linux desktop?
I'm not sure what version of windows you're using if it is taking up 200gb lol. Mine is 28gb
28GB? Never seen a Windows install that small since the XP days lol.
Not only do I wanna see an install video, I wanna see a “how to break it” video of all the ways you could think of that someone messing with steamOS could brick it and such
There are several ways I can think of. xD
Valve’s long-term play here is brilliant! Distribution and a larger install base is what they are aiming for. This translates to more data.
They can sit back and be patient, as everything has now been set in-motion.
It's only brilliant if they pick devices that people actually want. If they had partnered with ASUS for the Ally X, that would be brilliant. But this thing? Hardly any reason to get it over a Steam Deck.. it may bomb and then Lenovo will blame SteamOS.
Ally is pretty niche product. This will probably be one too as most are waiting for steamdeck2.
original deck still does the job and not many wants to buy toys like these without proper support.
It sucks that the white colorway is locked behind the more expensive version. If I could get the $499 SteamOS model in white that'd be perfect.
Will the Windows version of the Legion Go also have a touch pad? I assume it's only present because Valve require one for SteamOS. The touch pad also looks very small.
It looks like all the hardware is the same.
Okay. This is genuinely cool!
So i am also assuming that the steamOS version is also the non extreme Z1? "Up to" is never reassuring
Is this better/more powerful than oled steam deck ?
it seems like there will be a 1tb steamos versions too, so i don't think you need to go with windows if you want more storage. things aren't very clear right now and it's hard to figure out lenovo's strategy
Installing new ssd takes like 5 minutes so..
@hornantuutti5157 your average end user isnt going to replace a component and then reinstall the operating system as soon as they get it out of the bed
Are the Nvidia drivers holding them for publishing the SteamOS desktop version?
Besides keeping my fingers crossed for the release of Steam OS for desktops, one of the things I'm actually super hopeful for is some company creating a lower powered, inexpensive, lightweight (literally, physically lighter weight) Steam OS-powered handheld device made specifically for playing lower-spec indie games. I'd really love to pay 200 - 300 dollars for a lower spec machine (that, as a result of needing less beefy hardware, can perhaps reduce the size and weight) that can comfortably fit in a pocket and be used to play low spec or retro PC games. I don't see many other people talking about something like this, but I'm hopeful that now that Steam OS is going to other platforms, someone will do it.
General purpose installer for SteamOS, sure why not, but you don't really need a SteamOS for desktops.
No ryzen z2? Might as well wait for the handhelds that have it this year.
I'm excited for the steamos on new devices. Only comment is windows 11 default install is only about 26gb total, that's 5% of a half tb drive. Yes steamOS is smaller (6-7gb) but not so much you still wouldn't want a. 1TB Drive
55 wh is insane. Especially with the same chipset. It's literally just a smaller legion go. And no reason for anyone with a fist gen handheld to upgrade.
I'll keep my ally x with Bazzite
A windows install is about 30gb plus the size of your ram for the hibernation file and the swap file unless you disable them, but you're right in that I'd rather go for SteamOS in a handheld that wasn't something like the GPD Win Mini.
3:55 yeah, i mean steam os shipped with a 64 gig model after all, and could run decently still on it. so im not surprised it runs on it
the difference between a 500GB steamOS and 1TB windows is about 400 GB - 450GB(how do i know i have windows 11 on a device with 256 GB of storage and i still can install BG3 plus some other stuff i need to run)
I’m calling it the Lego S and The Steam Go
So can you use game pass on the legion go s?
HELL YEAH!!! Official steamOS release!!!! /me dances *
I feel like if you have an all AMD system it'll just work. or ... I HOPE**
@@mikehensley78 it will linus tested deck recovery on one so ya it will, but nvidia though
With all the Ayaneo devices and Legion Go and ROG Ally, there are plenty of handheld devices that could use one interface. Using Windows with some cranky launchers works, but just. SteamOS definitely makes it easier...for those games that work well.
Virtually all games work well, if you exclude competitive multiplayer. Basically the decision tree is simple, do you play competitive multiplayer at all on your handheld? If yes, get Windows, if no, get SteamOS.
2:42 - nice audio edit BTW 😊
What the heck is that dinky little "trackpad"? It's smaller than a postage stamp.
looks like a fingerprint reader to me
@@UpscaleHD its actually the trackpad though. I think Valve's haptic pads on both sides are far superior because of the steam input tricks you can do like custom trackpad menus
I just bought a used 1TB Legion GO. Its my first handheld. Is it worth it to return it and just wait for the Legion GO S? Is Steam OS that much of a deal breaker? Can I still play my EpicGames and GOG games with a Steam OS system?
Yes, can still play games from Epic Games store and GOG with SteamOS. Might need to use a workaround like Heroic Launcher, but it works great.
Looks like Lenovo did almost everything right. Its still open in the air if we can trust Lenovo of supporting the device for years, like Valve does. And the missing trackpads are a blow. But I did not expect the price to be competitive, definitely a surprise. This is certainly the first Deck alternative that is interesting.
It's competitive, but not really anything that will shake up the market. Any performance gains vs the Steam Deck will be eaten up by the too high resolution on the screen. So you get a Steam Deck, same price, lower battery life, same performance, less controls, less reliable support...
@@seeibe The chip is probably more efficient and therefore will last longer by same performance level. I don't know why they went with the higher resolution, but you can always set and play at 800p again. The VRR display will truly help with the perceived performance. I don't care about the 120 Hz, 90 is plenty enough already or even my 60 at the current time.
Overall we need to wait and see. It is a bit too early to beat it up right now. This device looks promising. Only real missing feature are the trackpads, which is a huge blow to me, as I expect this as part of any future Steam controlled device.
I can't wait for this. I had to buy Steam Deck almost illegally, from another country. But Lenovo products are available in our local stores. And 2280 space is great for upgrading, 4TB here we come 😂👍
Have you ever tried to install Windows in a VM? It takes 30GB at most
I’ll wait for the steam deck 2.
I’d love to have a steamOs device in the form factor of the Nintendo switch lite…
800p from 1200p isn't a nice integer though.
Yeah we NEED Steam Os, for desktop PCs. With decent GTX/RTX support. Before EOL of windows 10. I would love upgrade my old GTX 1080ti. But even 6900xt here Canada still going $1200 Canadian. WTF????
Still hope we see steam console. AMD Zen 3/ zen 4 APU, With proper dedicated GDDR6 (RDNA3 or better 256 bit bus or more) steam console with steam os.
Windows 11= Bloatware.
I would do naming scheme: "Lenovo Legion Go SW (Windows)" and "Lenovo Legion Go SL (Linux/SteamOS)" , as we can't have double "S" in name for reasons.
Wasn't the problem is that if you buy the Window's version you don't get all the buttons, needed for Steam OS. That would be a deal breakers for serious gamers. Wait for the Steam OS Legion Go S, or Steam Deck 2.
Had bad luck with 2 lenovo tablets just crapping out and no help from them. Hope this doesn't go that way.
I really thought 80wh battery will become the standard because of rogallyX.
I wonder how many more SteamOS based will begin to be announced now that the SteamOS floodgates have opened? Exciting times to be a Linux enthusiast and gamer.
The next rog Ally is definitely going to have steam OS. They've mentioned steam OS and the Ally numerous times
Do you think the beta of steam o s will save some battery on the regular legion go??????
Yes.
That would be crazy good if it does
Is this handheld purple or am I colorblind
Dude that screen, that CPU running windows. I'd be surprised if you can get more than an hour of battery gaming.
Keep in mind tho, that the 5000 series is boosting a insane Ping boost. like... Unreal advantage. Idk what would be better, external GPU with a 5000 series when im at home, there will be bottle necking issues for sure, but will that affect the ms/ping? Testing is needed! Sounds like someone needs to buy a 5000 series and write it off on taxes XD
499 AND with no Windows! Open the gatessss
Bazzite makes the 1TB Windows version a better option.
Can’t wait to finally sell my steam deck and full time main my Rog Ally with full steam os support. 120hz VRR is really incredible
What about Nvidia GeForce experience on steam o.s. (How does that even make sense)?
Personally if I get this I wouldn't be opposed to getting the 32GB RAM + 1TB Storage with windows 11 on it & just installing Steam OS 3 on it I mean if they both have the same hardware then its shouldn't be that much trouble to simply install a different OS on it the same as if you were to do it on the first Legion Go.
It's really sad they don't offer the 1tb version with SteamOS also. Now there will definitely be users who buy the 1tb version and then just install SteamOS on it which will still count as "I wanted the windows version" sale.
What makes you say that, from their own website "Up to 1T PCIe SSD (Gen4) (2242, 2280 compatible)" is filled in on both the non-SteamOS version as well as the SteamOS versoin.
@@Sjoerd1993 Might have been a misunderstanding from my part.
I really wonder if the anti-cheat will work with this since it didn’t work with the steam deck?
Developers need to support SteamOS. Nothing's going to change on that front until they do.
I can verify that you get about 300gb after windows is installed. I got a new work laptop with windows 11 that has 512gb drive. I do have some programs installed on it so it might be closer to 320 but it burns a lot of that drive for just the OS
My 2yrs W11 installation just weights 44GB. So no idea how you got 300GB.
dont forget oem bloat software
They will definitely launch SteamOS for desktop PCs a little before Windows 10 reaches End Of Life, by then they'll have NTsync in the kernel, which makes games run a lot better.
Nobody wants a barebones OS designed for only gaming on their PC lol
@@deluge6479 SteamOS has a desktop mode. Go learn about it.
Can you tell me what would be the benefit over using some other linux on desktop?
@@ejss Convincing someone to try Linux would be easier with SteamOS than telling to use Bazzite.
@@deluge6479 That an idealistic affirmation. What's really gonna happen is: "Wow Valve released that "Steam Deck OS for normal PCs and it's like Windows but without its annoyances!"
CPU spec is a disapointment tho. Was hoping for some more power. Normal z2 at least
Why?
@@gardiner_bryant some games struggle a little too much on my steam deck (for my liking). As far as I understood the z2 go is not really more powerful then the z1. We also have already z1 extreme devices. A Legion go with steamos and z2 could be the unofficial steam deck 1.5 ;-) a more powerful deck with official support from valves (steamos side)
told ya, lol been saying it for ever now, Go is King.
Windows on a 512 typically leaves you with about 412GB of space but ya compared to Steam it’s way heavier
I wonder if theyre gonna partner with any of the mini PC brands with AMD APUs and bring back the "Steam Machine"?
OH! this is also a huge hint at possible hint at GTA spec requirements? Just speculating but...
We can thank the financial success of the switch for this new era.
I was waiting for steamdeck 2 to get into the handled pc world but thanks to this third party steamdecks, I most likely will get one in 2025 or 2026
I'll stick with Bazzite on my Legion Go until Steam OS is officially released out of beta.
Comparing a generic and not gaming or Steam specific OS like Windows to a single-app optimized OS like SteamOS is like comparing apples to oranges, imo
Steam OS ~ 15GB. Windows 11 ~ 25GB. (Clean install)
Im just wondering if we will ever see steam deck 2. I just cant see valve investing into hardware when they can let other manufacturers do the leg work and still make a profit.
Steam Deck 2 will happen, they said in an interview a month or so ago that it isn't coming any time soon because they want to make sure the performance is a worthwhile upgrade and the tech just isn't there yet.
@blakeandcamp but when the tech is there, it won't be only handheld with that level of performance and Steam OS so what would the point of it be?
Lenovo hasn't done a good job at laying out exactly what's in each device. I've heard from creators about 3 different APU's being in the S variant, and on Lenovo's own presentation table was a card that said "Z2" for the Legion Go 2 - not the Z2 Extreme.
I would like to see a handheld pc in a size of a Switch Lite for a reasonable price. 🎮 That would actually be portable.
So like the Acer nitro 7 handheld
BUT!! An it's a big but that Legion Go S is not OLED!!! This was the deal breaker for me.
RIP Bazzite
Windows may take "200gb" but that still leaves roughly 400gb for GOG or Epic games. Not the win you thought your argument would be...lol
its dissapointing that you need the white one to get the 32gb of RAM. 16gb is ok but that is shared with Vram and it would be nice to be able to leave vram at 8/10gb without it affecting your remaining ram for general operations. 16gb just isnt enough, id rather them compromise and put in 24gb like the ROG ally X
Valve's press release says that SteamOS will be on "certain models" of the Legion Go S. I suspect that you'll be able to customize CPU, RAM, and Storage at checkout.
@@gardiner_bryant I dont know, i like the idea but the logistics to provide that service for a nieche product may be difficult. Hopefully you are correct, though. Ive got my lego with bazzite for now. Its not perfect and im definately looking forward to official steamOS.. It cant come quick enough :P
This will force games like cod to finally support linux.
i just boot up a laptop im selling will a clean install of win 11. 26 GB. A clean install of mint is 13gb.
Bro. I didn't expect you to be such a font of disinformation. A stock windows 11 install is 25gb and Microsoft recommends 60gb if you install every conceivable bell and whistle including virtual memory.
I work in IT. I've personally seen OEM PCs that have a 1TB drive come with with less than 800 GB of usable space out of the box.
Windows is not 200gb😅
It was a joke
I will be waiting on the Deck 2 but this is very very exciting stuff. Steam OS is gonna drink Microsoft’s milkshake!
Windows don't use 200 GB. I don't know how much bloatware someone must install to reach 200 GB. I have 512GB SSD in my workstation. I use Windows 11 2024H2 Pro with Windows subsystem for Linux (Ubuntu 2020 LTS), Docker with Kubernetes and lots of apps for software engineering. I have 67 GB used 408 GB free.
BTW. All handhelds with Windows released in 2022-2024 used 512 GB drive