For some reason, I like to think Donkey Kong's father is Bink from Mario and Luigi: Superstar Saga. He is a dead skeletal Kong, who looks just like DK by the way, who throws barrels in a mini-game in an old ship with walking humanoid skeletal sailors running it. Said ship carries Chuckola Cola, so it does make me wonder if DK's dad was on board in that very ship.
It could be an ancestor of DK, but not the actual DK Jr. The S.S. Chuckola was stated to have been in Teehee Valley for so many years that the crew eventually became walking bones. I believe the water drained from Oho Ocean and the ship become stuck in the sand after the receding shorelines, creating a valley. There is evidence that Teehee Valley was once covered by ocean. Bink is likely centuries old.
Top bad the great ape war is made up by fans. There is a kremean war though, it got mentioned once in the games. So we could get a kremean war prequel.
You're forgetting a few other key factors to this theory: 1) K. Rool states in Jungle Climber that he hates bananas, so if this theory is correct, he's not doing it for America, he's doing it out of revenge of Mr. X's death. 2) You forgot that there was a Kremean War that Brigadier Bazooka fought in. So it's more like the these "wars between the humans" is actually "Bear vs. Kremling" wars 3) DK Jr. ''is'' Modern DK, Steve Mayles confirmed this. This is why the Baby DK we see in Yoshi's Island is the Modern DK. Sidenote, I'd like to direct you to a strip from BitF (good times) which implies that the Retro Studios Cranky was the DK that we saw in the games by Rare. So while this is a nice video, these facts can pretty much debunk the theory...
+Tailikku1 I did indeed miss the first two, and I'm thinking of making a video about that third one, because Steve Mayles is of Rare, while Donkey Kong is of Nintendo, and in the original DKC as well as the new ones Cranky is confirmed by Nintendo to be DK's grandfather, its only in DK 64 that Steve Mayles decided to make cranky his son instead, aka DK Jr. So it all comes down to "which is canon?" because they cant both be. And personally, since DK belongs to Nintendo and they changed it back into DK being Cranky's grandson, I like to go with that set of canon. Good use of your gnoggin! Question everything.
couldn't it also be possible that King K. Rule ((or however you write it)) kept stealing the bananas to starve the kongs to death? I mean, cutting off the enemies resources was always a good tactic in war and was often used
I believe one of the guys at Rare (Steve Mayles, maybe) actually confirmed that to be true. K. Rool stole the bananas so he could starve out the Kongs while he moved his troops into position. Then in DKC2, he kidnapped Donkey Kong as an act of revenge and held him for ransom, demanding the Banana Hoard in return (which would essentially mean that the Kongs would be surrendering to K. Rool and swearing allegiance to him); luckily, Diddy and Dixie had other ideas. In DKC3, K. Rool had it with bananas and just wanted revenge, with kidnapping DK and Diddy to power his machines as his first act. Dixie put the kibosh on these plans (with some "help" from Kiddy) and got DK and Diddy back. After all that, K. Rool finally snapped after being beaten so many times by those "filthy apes" and tried to blow DK Island to smithereens, partly as revenge for what Diddy and Dixie did to Crocodile Isle, and partly out of the "if I can't have it, neither can they!" mentality.
Its clear the bananas posses some power, it makes the tikis come to life and Lets them float. Also, funky kong has a surfboard he can fly on. In his idle animation he smears a banana peel on his surfboard.
Here's my theory, maybe DK Island is connected to the Bermuda Triangle! Think about it, we all know that Mario and Luigi came from Brooklyn, so maybe our two worlds are connected in other ways! Maybe DK Island is located in that worlds version of the B.T. and all the ships and planes that disappeared wound up on DK Island!
It has been established that donkey kong country takes place in a different, very similair dimension to marios. The way dk is able to go to marios world is through special warp pipes and portals
Well, at least that was more entertaining than Game Theory's Banana War video. I have to add, though, you're neglecting a crucial outside-context player: Snide. We know that guy has at least designed and perhaps had a hand in building the Blast-O-Matic in _DK64_ before K. Rool fired him and he decided to help the Kongs instead out of revenge. I've personally already got it into my head that he was also a hidden player in the original _DKC_ Trilogy, perhaps having helped develop K. Rool's motion gases from _DKC2_ or whatever it was that gave him the ability to turn invisible. So maybe he also had some involvement? Something to think about. Also, for what it's worth, Bazooka Bear in _DKC3 does_ mention a "Kremean War," which Rareware's Rule of Pun would indicate involved the Kremlings in some way or another. Overall, though, I think the Kremlings are more intelligent than you give them credit for. Their home island of Crocodile Isle _does_ have ore mines and an amusement park that's fallen into disrepair. And they had enough technological know-how to keep going on the Blast-O-Matic after Snide was fired. So they're not _quite_ so stuck in the Pirate Ages. Maybe some of those war remnants came from when the Universe was rebooted in _Super Mario Galaxy._ Also: minor nitpick, but I'm pretty sure Mr. X was already dead, seeing as he does not appear to have legs in official art.
I have another theory: There will be another Donkey Kong game featuring the aftermath of the great ape war. And in the end, the destroyed statue of liberty shows up and it was earth all along ;)
Great ape war is entirely based on fanfiction and fake rumors. But there has been An actual war in the donkey kong universe, named the "kremean war". It gets mentioned by a character called bazaar bear in donkey kong country 3. He mentions he fought in it. Its presumably some war between the kremlings and the bears over the northern kremisphere. I wouldnt be surprised if the kongs fought in it too
Regarding your point about the kremlings not being smart enough to build a whole factory, what about in DK64? You can see that they were working on the blast-O-matic (although it was faulty.)
Knowing that Mario and DK III are the same age (we know this through Yoshi's Island DS) makes me wonder how long the Great Ape War lasted? And how long the POWs were kept as prisoners?
Considering how many people want the Kong Horde, considering that the Tikis could make more of themselves with the bananas, and considering that there are crazy mystical temples dedicated to the bananas, there's no doubt that the bananas are special. They have some kind of magical properties and the Kong line gains great strength from them. It would not surprise me if Cranky, in his youth, was not originally from Kong Island, but a descendant from when the Kongs were at greater power. Cranky's ancestors left the islands (likely due to their civilization collapsing) and after Cranky was thrwarted by Mario he retired at his ancestral home, now a place of ruins. Then he raised kids who had their own. DK Jr. could easily be anywhere and I have no idea where. We just know he's not here. Meanwhile, DK is left to guard the bananas he deeply loves, though, he is likely oblivious to their true magical power.
Super Mario RPG is one of the games that connects a vast majority of their games. They couldn't flesh out DK universe too much because it could potentially get themselves into deep deeeeeeeeeep trouble. Why do people think vikings wear horns even?! But that aside I think that was a reference too Crocodile was widely used to describe corrupt politicians and the bananas being stolen sounds like when they forcefully made the locals submit Norse looking ice boss = Vikings Expansion? Tiki God? = Local Tribe reference on when they had just arrived and settled in the area?
Fun Fact: This story is a actually vandalism page to the DK wiki. It was done as an April Fools Joke. That's why nothing directly supports it. A bunch of article writers found it and didn't realize it was a vandalism page, which is why it blew up the way it did.
Nintendo Background Lore is fascinating. I wish someone would compile a chronological timeline of the Mushroom Kingdom into a book or something with detail on everything.
my grandpa was in the war for bannanas, he said he encountered an ape with a fedora, he shot him because he thought it was funny and that no ape should be wearing a fedora... so i can confirm this war theory
Wasn't the Great Ape War some article on the Donkey Kong wiki added by a troll by the name of "Cock Blockula from Cock Blockington" and not removed for awhile because the head moderator thought it would attract people to the wiki?
Yep, that's correct. The troll also vandalized Diddy's page among some others, claiming Funky was Diddy's father and Dixie was his mother and he has an Oedipus complex (basically sexual attraction to your mom)... just general gross nonsense.
So, where does Ba-Boom the Boisterous fit into all of this? And how comes that among all the monkeys/apes in the DK universe, there are only three baboons?
We need a Donkey Kong movie about the Kongs in NYC getting chased by Jumpman and Stanley. Then they are taken to Kong Island where they raise their family until the humans who are fighting in a war mutate a crocodile that becomes Mr. X and starts war on Kong Island and he makes the Mankey Kongs and other creatures join his army of mutant crocodiles called the Kremlings. He also finds a way to the Mushroom Kingdom where he makes allies with the Smithy Gang and gives them Kongs for prisoners of war. So Jr. and the other Kongs go to save the captive Kongs so after some fighting Jr. and Mr. X are staring each other down both with guns in their hands and at the same time they both kill each other. So K.rool one of the Klumps in the Kremling army becomes the leader of them and D.K. the third becomes his mortal enemy and the war continues.
Hey Gnoggin, I know you said in your q&a video that you were disappointed in this video's performance, but this is one of my favorites by you. Keep up the good work!
It would be awesome if in the next DK game if they bring back King K. Rool or maybe (Hate me if you want it's just an idea) the Return of the Kongs from Jungle beat lead by Ghastly King.
Here is my interpretation of The Great Ape War (keep in mind it is a little bit different): Before this mess started Donkey Kong Senior (Cranky Kong when he was younger) Captured Pauline. Mario (being the hero he is) saves Pauline and recaptures Donkey Kong Senior. Donkey Kong Senior's son, Donkey Kong Jr. went to save papa. He succeeded and DK Senior, Wrinkly Kong, and Jr. escaped from Mario and went to an island. Time passes and things start going downhill. Mr. X declares war thus The Great Ape War begin and A Grown up DK Jr. dies. Mr. X get's killed for good but becomes Kackle. Playing it safe, Kackle sends King K. Rool to steal Donkey Kong The Third's Bananas and sends Smithy to capture some Kong's and use them as slaves in the Mushroom Kingdom. Some other Kong's get captured by K. Rool. Smithy get's defeated by Mario and the gang and K Rool get defeated by DK The Third. After DK 64 The war is said to be over but suddenly comes back when Kackle Possess Ghastly Kong, Dread Kong, Ninja Kong, and other Kong's and innocent creatures. DK The Third did what he did best and defeated Kackle. Next Kackle summons the Tiki Tak Tribe to hypnotize the entire Island but fails as DK The Third defeat's Tiki Tong and the tribe. Furious, Kackle get's Lord Fredrik and his army of Snowmads to banish the Kong's, Finally, Kackle had taken over DK Island...But not for long as DK The Third and his family takes down Lord Fredrik and reclaims the island. Kackle could be planning another attack today but it is hard to say, but for now the Kong's live in peace.
For some reason I remember funky kong actually saying he was a pilot. But who knows the last time I played DK 64 i was playing it late at night and half asleep.
Mario and friends might even be responsible for ending the great ape war, that is if we assume Smithy was the main antagonist in it. Then the factory-level could just as well be pieces of Smithy's Factory that might've come through the dimensional gate.
I just realized that New York he could be mentioning be the place in Mario Odyssey, New Donk City, since of the appearance of the same bananas and Pauline.
"Nintendo aren't known for dark secrets in their games." Ummm, maybe they aren't KNOWN for it but... does Metroid, Xenoblade, and Fire Emblem having stuff on the surface make them not count?
What if this is actually the Bermuda triangle and the plans crashed because of the disappearances and the Kremlin's being the odd ball pirates they are just found some salvageable equipment from the remains
Dang man! Everytime I subscribe to a TH-cam channel, they always end up showing up on here not long after! I subscribe to Bird Keeper Toby, he appears on here I subscribe to Treesicle, he appears on here Maybe if I subscribe to PewDiePie....
Thoroughly loved the entire via, too much to type tbh haha. Truly though amazing vid. Presented well, spoke clearly ( as always ), Spoke up about the Wiki, and outsourced information very well. 10/10
I just realised that K. Rool, while wordplay for 'cruel', but *may possibly* be short for Kremling Rool, which *if* that is the case; K. Rool's uninitialized name would would be wordplay for 'Kremling rule'… So… is K. Rool his birth name, a roleplay name, or simply a name he gave himself when he became leader, or possibly gave himself when he decided to invade DKI(DKC?)?
+Snipper Joey I figured that after I did some digging, but by that point I had found so much actual evidence for all these other wars going on that I developed it into a theory of my own. So while initially sparked by fans being silly, it led into making actual connections, taking a look at all the militarization of the islands, the loss of DK Jr. and the chained kongs in Mario RPG definitely makes it seem like something was going on. Funnily enough none of those things are even mentioned in the wiki.
+Gnoggin this video doesnt make sense that the mario universe is within our own. For example in DkcR donkey kong punched the moon, that is was within the planets atmosphere and was about half the size of kong island. that simple fact negates this video. And thats just one small example
Oh my God Gnoggin i love you!!, i was just looking for a good chiptune artist to inspire my next comic, and you just gave me that in the outro!, love you man! And that's a pretty sick theory by the way, i mean, there were somethings you guys just didn't took into account, but overall, and given the lack of infromation regarding these things in the Donkey kong lore, i'd pretty much say it is possible, after all, many Nintendo games feature a war or a post-war enviroment, Super Mario, Legend of Zelda, Pokemon, Star Fox, etc...
Clearly, DK Junior died in a karting accident involving an unfortunate hit from a green shell on rainbow road that sent him flying into the dark cold void of space where he froze and suffocated to death. All witnesses to this incident have kept silent ever since, engaging in a pact to never to tell anyone.
DKC is the follow up to Kong: Skull Island. After the U.S. discovers the location of the Island they send forces to take it over as well as exploit all it's resources. I imagine a bunch of dead animals would have a bunch of oil. We do see the story unfold from DK's perspective and at the time he had never seen a human, so to him the unknown invading force look like lizards (also the skull monsters from the movie). After they discover the island via scout planes, they send an invading force to secure a beach head. Since they are many and DK only has his immediate family the invading force easily over runs the island. DK only knowing the stories handed down from Cranky Kong, proceeds to stomp all over them (like his dad & mom did in the film).
Maybe the reason they have modern technology/magic is due to Gruntilda from Banjo-kazooie helping them out. Since Banjo and Tiptup made an appearance in Diddy Kong racing (which is Canon if nuts and bolts holds true) Banjo and Donky Kong coexist together. Maybe one day Gruntilda saw that a group of Crocs had some beef with a friend of Banjo and decided to help since the "enemy of my enemy is my friend". Gruntilda is a witch so that covers the magic part and it's shown she has a knack for machinery (Rusty bucket bay, grunty Industries, everything she builds in nuts and bolts) and gave both of those things to K.Rool in order for the death of a friend of Banjos. Grunty is shown to be very petty and that is something she would do just for revenge.
Making the rich richer and country poorer. That's what's happening to the USA. If only they'd learn from Japan. In this day and age the economy itself is the most profitable thing to focus on but America is to far behind the times.
Here's a theory: Perhaps the Mankey Gang wanted the Banana Horde, and they made a deal with K.Rool? Something like "if you get us the Horde, we'll help you conquer the world? Of course, they wouldn't be allowed into an area as critical as Krocodile Isle, and after that game he likely got fed up with them, traded their (at this point unwilling) service to Smithy in exchange for advanced technology (thus making the jump from industrial sites to Mad Scientist territory), yet continued to attack the Kongs first because he recognized that they would be the biggest threat to his plans? That would get rid of the necessity for any additional wars, still leave enough time for DK Jr. to die (probably the Horde was HIS before DKs, and thus his death was the first sign of treachery), allow Funky to get injured (assuming he isn't just going for alliteration there), and yet still keep the scale down to a level that wouldn't spill out to a point where they would likely have made a game or two about it. And if they AREN'T making games of it, then why does Cranky refer to "Video Game Heroes" or insinuate that DK's adventures could BE games? For that matter, why would there be a DK Arcade, or Jetpac, or the various Rare and Nintendo memorabilia, OR the fact that those arcade games have the same copyright info as their real-world counterparts? Seems pretty obvious they DO monetize the past that way...
+ShadwSonic Ooh, ooh, I just got a better idea! What if Funky... IS DK Jr.? Think about it: it explains why they never ever mention him in future games, allows the "Great Ape War" to be a nickname to the minor skirmish that split the Mankeys from the Kongs, and even gives a reason as to why he never reappeared in Mario Kart after the first one! Well, he would've appeared for Wii, but that would likely be because his "cool dude" thing only started after SMK, and go-karts don't really fit that trend. Motorcycles though? DEFINITELY within that MO. Not sure why he wouldn't be in U though... maybe he was sick? Or just moved on to something else?
+Mad Robot maybe Mario was a refugee during the war. The stork was probably the care taker of Mario's birth parents. Mario's father must have went to war, and his mom (Pauline) must have told the stork to retreat with baby Mario. That is probably what the star children are, refugees of war. This must lead right into Yoshi's Island.
counter theory: DK Jr. dies in a go-karting accident. DK III sues(hence the tie), getting guard rail added to Rainbow Road. Then uses settlement money to race in his father's honor.
maybe Mario was a refugee during the war. The stork was probably the care taker of Mario's birth parents. Mario's father must have went to war, and his mom (Pauline) must have told the stork to retreat with baby Mario. That is probably what the star children are, refugees of war. This must lead right into Yoshi's Island.
If we took your theory, the other guy's game theory, and threw in some thematic elements inspired from Hotel Rwanda and Blood Diamond, I wonder how the movie would play out. Hotel Rwanda and Blood diamond...with Kremlins and Kongs.
Wow cool this is the only video ever to have the treesicle brand on it that wasn't even halfway watchable but then again it was from three years ago when treesicle was actually good
"But Mario wouldn't kill anyone." 18000 billion goombas, 240000 billion koopas, all they did was walk back and forth.... Batman: "Don't worry, their just sleeping?" Yah???? what about the ones he pushed into the lava??? Batman: "Their having a bubble bath."
I don't like how fast that guy speaks syllables. He speaks words faster... but he sounds slower because he spaces out multi-syllabled words. So he sounds at a "normal" speed but he sounds off.
"Nintendo doesnt keep dark secrets in their games." Splatoon groaning anyone?
+Pengu 230 yeah nuclear warfare caused the mutations of sea life
I didn't realize Splatoon had lore.
Pengu 230 ew,sticky
Along with Kirby and Pokémon (and arguably the Mario and Luigi games)
Bini Lover Sonic’s lore is a mix of dark and dank
Guys. Earth wasn't the only place having wars during DKCTF. In the background of one of the levels is Samus' crashed gunship.
***** I actually don't even have the game. Got that from Game Theory.
+CometFire321 So I guess that's why we could find her sleeping in Super Mario RPG?
+Unknownslenderman Holy crap, you guys are on to something!
+Unknownslenderman samus also appears in a Kirby game, guess that means that the Nintendo' franchises are more connected than we think
So, Samus somehow goes back in time around the time of WW2?
For some reason, I like to think Donkey Kong's father is Bink from Mario and Luigi: Superstar Saga.
He is a dead skeletal Kong, who looks just like DK by the way, who throws barrels in a mini-game in an old ship with walking humanoid skeletal sailors running it.
Said ship carries Chuckola Cola, so it does make me wonder if DK's dad was on board in that very ship.
Possibly since Bink was the father of cranky kong
It could be an ancestor of DK, but not the actual DK Jr. The S.S. Chuckola was stated to have been in Teehee Valley for so many years that the crew eventually became walking bones. I believe the water drained from Oho Ocean and the ship become stuck in the sand after the receding shorelines, creating a valley. There is evidence that Teehee Valley was once covered by ocean. Bink is likely centuries old.
Donkey Kong's father is Cranky Kong, there are no three Donkey Kongs.
Does that mean Hitler canonically exists in the Donkey Kong, and thus, Mario universe?
This is a theory, not a fact.
And wouldn’t that also include Mussolini?
okay technically mario is in the donkey kong universe because thats where he came from
and thus the Sonic universe, and thus the Monkey Ball universe
@@MrTree-xo4wb tails hitler pog
Awesome video dude! We never did figure out that hilarious analogy huh?
treesicle
Man, don't you guys love the UNKOWN enemy? Your mistakes are never unnoticed. :D
+Treesicle It's USA. Not sure if that's hilarious or not, but that is the only viable analogy.
+Treesicle Hey did your Dong Expand ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
+Treesicle So this is what you've been working on.
is it possible that the great ape war actually is actually when humans took over the island? if the humans left, it would explain why there are ruins.
War does not Expand Dong.
+Mr Madness I thought the title said: Gnoggin X Testicle ._.
+Mr Madness I don't like that meme.
+123fendas well I do.
I would like this comment but it's at 69 right now and it's so perfect
War does not expand kong.
I want Nintendo to make a game out of this now.
Marvelous Moostache Man , heck yeah. A prequel to Super Mario RPG: Lot7S. And Jr. DIES. They better make it epic & tragic.
i hope they never release it, old rare were the only ones capable of doing it
Same
Top bad the great ape war is made up by fans. There is a kremean war though, it got mentioned once in the games. So we could get a kremean war prequel.
Maybe we could play as DK Jr and there could be different endings where we either die, live on or something else
You're forgetting a few other key factors to this theory:
1) K. Rool states in Jungle Climber that he hates bananas, so if this theory is correct, he's not doing it for America, he's doing it out of revenge of Mr. X's death.
2) You forgot that there was a Kremean War that Brigadier Bazooka fought in. So it's more like the these "wars between the humans" is actually "Bear vs. Kremling" wars
3) DK Jr. ''is'' Modern DK, Steve Mayles confirmed this. This is why the Baby DK we see in Yoshi's Island is the Modern DK. Sidenote, I'd like to direct you to a strip from BitF (good times) which implies that the Retro Studios Cranky was the DK that we saw in the games by Rare.
So while this is a nice video, these facts can pretty much debunk the theory...
I hope gnoggin sees this
+Tailikku1 I did indeed miss the first two, and I'm thinking of making a video about that third one, because Steve Mayles is of Rare, while Donkey Kong is of Nintendo, and in the original DKC as well as the new ones Cranky is confirmed by Nintendo to be DK's grandfather, its only in DK 64 that Steve Mayles decided to make cranky his son instead, aka DK Jr. So it all comes down to "which is canon?" because they cant both be. And personally, since DK belongs to Nintendo and they changed it back into DK being Cranky's grandson, I like to go with that set of canon. Good use of your gnoggin! Question everything.
+Tailikku1 Excellent!
+Hardboiled Greninja Xtreme Croco doesn't count
+Hardboiled Greninja Xtreme explain why he doesn't have Guerillas with him? He just has Sackits with him, he's a third party unaffiliated with Smithy
Fedora Kong tips hat *stock chimpanzee sounds play*
M'onkey
+Wheatcrop It's a trilby. A fedora would be the hat that Indiana Jones wears in the movies...
+Wheatcrop Sorry, I felt compelled to point that out.
IS THIS A JOJO REFERENCE
M'banana
05:18 did you really have to do that...
+mariosonickirby1 OH MY GOD!!!!! MY EYES D;
+mariosonickirby1 Ikr? That was totally unnecessary! And now I can't find the bleach! I NEED IT FOR MY EYEHOLES!!!
mariosonickirby1 eh not *that* unpleasant....
WTF We don’t need to see that woman pooping out a baby
mariosonickirby1 I was eating 😰
Now I'm traumatized.
I always assumed that DK JR is the protagonist of Jungle Beat, explaining why he has no Kong supporting cast and different animal buddies
This could possibly explain why Lanky Kong is hated upon by all other Kong’s like the line that says he as a weird face. Maybe I’m looking into it?
And the award of best reptile/pirate/ruler in Nintendo history goes too…
*drum roll*
General Scales!
+pixel Ninja Star Fox Adventures, Stair Fax Temperatures.
+Alex Reddington Does Bowser count as reptile?
weed75 Black Are turtles reptiles?
No.
+weed75 Black he's a tortoise, and yes, he is a reptile, but he doesn't qualify here as he's not a pirate but a King.
couldn't it also be possible that King K. Rule ((or however you write it)) kept stealing the bananas to starve the kongs to death? I mean, cutting off the enemies resources was always a good tactic in war and was often used
I believe one of the guys at Rare (Steve Mayles, maybe) actually confirmed that to be true. K. Rool stole the bananas so he could starve out the Kongs while he moved his troops into position. Then in DKC2, he kidnapped Donkey Kong as an act of revenge and held him for ransom, demanding the Banana Hoard in return (which would essentially mean that the Kongs would be surrendering to K. Rool and swearing allegiance to him); luckily, Diddy and Dixie had other ideas. In DKC3, K. Rool had it with bananas and just wanted revenge, with kidnapping DK and Diddy to power his machines as his first act. Dixie put the kibosh on these plans (with some "help" from Kiddy) and got DK and Diddy back. After all that, K. Rool finally snapped after being beaten so many times by those "filthy apes" and tried to blow DK Island to smithereens, partly as revenge for what Diddy and Dixie did to Crocodile Isle, and partly out of the "if I can't have it, neither can they!" mentality.
@@KingdomHeartsBrawler I dont think they said it was to starve, but I'm pretty sure he said K. Rool didn't just want the bananas to eat.
GamxrLee XAO Game Theory had that theory years ago. Around 2012
Its clear the bananas posses some power, it makes the tikis come to life and Lets them float. Also, funky kong has a surfboard he can fly on. In his idle animation he smears a banana peel on his surfboard.
Both tikis and the surfboard are made out of Wood. This would also further explain why the intro of tropical freeze has a FLYING WOODEN SHIP 🤔🤔
Here's my theory, maybe DK Island is connected to the Bermuda Triangle! Think about it, we all know that Mario and Luigi came from Brooklyn, so maybe our two worlds are connected in other ways! Maybe DK Island is located in that worlds version of the B.T. and all the ships and planes that disappeared wound up on DK Island!
+SuperVideowatcher01 I like this theory.
IT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE NOW . I actually forgot that there was planes in the Bermuda triangle , thanks for reminding me .👍👍👍
It has been established that donkey kong country takes place in a different, very similair dimension to marios. The way dk is able to go to marios world is through special warp pipes and portals
Eventually DK Jr changed his name to Daddy Kong after the birth of his son.
I love this theory! Pretty confusing at first, but awesome!
that birth animation
i was eating a hotpocket when that happened
T o m a t o j u I c e
Death, Destruction, Dong.
King Kong.
King DDD.
King De De De.
King DeDeDe.
Kirby episode next time confimed?
i hate this video for making me hungry for bananas when i dont have any
Well, at least that was more entertaining than Game Theory's Banana War video. I have to add, though, you're neglecting a crucial outside-context player: Snide. We know that guy has at least designed and perhaps had a hand in building the Blast-O-Matic in _DK64_ before K. Rool fired him and he decided to help the Kongs instead out of revenge. I've personally already got it into my head that he was also a hidden player in the original _DKC_ Trilogy, perhaps having helped develop K. Rool's motion gases from _DKC2_ or whatever it was that gave him the ability to turn invisible. So maybe he also had some involvement? Something to think about.
Also, for what it's worth, Bazooka Bear in _DKC3 does_ mention a "Kremean War," which Rareware's Rule of Pun would indicate involved the Kremlings in some way or another.
Overall, though, I think the Kremlings are more intelligent than you give them credit for. Their home island of Crocodile Isle _does_ have ore mines and an amusement park that's fallen into disrepair. And they had enough technological know-how to keep going on the Blast-O-Matic after Snide was fired. So they're not _quite_ so stuck in the Pirate Ages. Maybe some of those war remnants came from when the Universe was rebooted in _Super Mario Galaxy._
Also: minor nitpick, but I'm pretty sure Mr. X was already dead, seeing as he does not appear to have legs in official art.
I was confused as crap before I read the title, I heard your amazing voice then heard ANOTHER amazing voice... Do these more often :3
I have another theory: There will be another Donkey Kong game featuring the aftermath of the great ape war. And in the end, the destroyed statue of liberty shows up and it was earth all along ;)
Nice reference
Great ape war is entirely based on fanfiction and fake rumors.
But there has been An actual war in the donkey kong universe, named the "kremean war". It gets mentioned by a character called bazaar bear in donkey kong country 3. He mentions he fought in it. Its presumably some war between the kremlings and the bears over the northern kremisphere. I wouldnt be surprised if the kongs fought in it too
"Nintendo isn't really known for it's dark secrets"
*cough* Kirby Lore *cough*
Regarding your point about the kremlings not being smart enough to build a whole factory, what about in DK64? You can see that they were working on the blast-O-matic (although it was faulty.)
Mario kart tour: reintroduces DK jr.
Knowing that Mario and DK III are the same age (we know this through Yoshi's Island DS) makes me wonder how long the Great Ape War lasted? And how long the POWs were kept as prisoners?
Probably for 10-14 months
Considering how many people want the Kong Horde, considering that the Tikis could make more of themselves with the bananas, and considering that there are crazy mystical temples dedicated to the bananas, there's no doubt that the bananas are special. They have some kind of magical properties and the Kong line gains great strength from them. It would not surprise me if Cranky, in his youth, was not originally from Kong Island, but a descendant from when the Kongs were at greater power. Cranky's ancestors left the islands (likely due to their civilization collapsing) and after Cranky was thrwarted by Mario he retired at his ancestral home, now a place of ruins. Then he raised kids who had their own. DK Jr. could easily be anywhere and I have no idea where. We just know he's not here. Meanwhile, DK is left to guard the bananas he deeply loves, though, he is likely oblivious to their true magical power.
Super Mario RPG is one of the games that connects a vast majority of their games.
They couldn't flesh out DK universe too much because it could potentially get themselves into deep deeeeeeeeeep trouble.
Why do people think vikings wear horns even?! But that aside I think that was a reference too
Crocodile was widely used to describe corrupt politicians and the bananas being stolen sounds like when they forcefully made the locals submit
Norse looking ice boss = Vikings Expansion?
Tiki God? = Local Tribe reference on when they had just arrived and settled in the area?
"the expanded dk timeline." Don't know if that was intentional or not xD.
Brigadier Bazooka says he fought in the Kremean War. What if this war is the same as the Great Ape War and the Kremean War is the proper name for it?
Who would win: Armies of Crocodile people, Walruses, Planks of wood, and other monsters OR
One Ape.
Fun Fact: This story is a actually vandalism page to the DK wiki. It was done as an April Fools Joke. That's why nothing directly supports it. A bunch of article writers found it and didn't realize it was a vandalism page, which is why it blew up the way it did.
Updated: It's not New York City, it's New Dong City.
It's DONK, but that's hilarious
I don't even care if I'm almost two years late to this. I'm loving seeing these two colaborate
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The Expanded Dong Timeline
Nintendo Background Lore is fascinating. I wish someone would compile a chronological timeline of the Mushroom Kingdom into a book or something with detail on everything.
my grandpa was in the war for bannanas, he said he encountered an ape with a fedora, he shot him because he thought it was funny and that no ape should be wearing a fedora... so i can confirm this war theory
EeveeFall lol
Wasn't the Great Ape War some article on the Donkey Kong wiki added by a troll by the name of "Cock Blockula from Cock Blockington" and not removed for awhile because the head moderator thought it would attract people to the wiki?
Yep, that's correct. The troll also vandalized Diddy's page among some others, claiming Funky was Diddy's father and Dixie was his mother and he has an Oedipus complex (basically sexual attraction to your mom)... just general gross nonsense.
And youtubers took it seriously lmao
Goes to show how deep their "research" is
Treesicle sounds like hes trying to hard
He is
That's Treesicles's usual tone for the most part
I usually try to hard in my bed at night...
Da Weavile King
Me too, I have such trouble sleeping at times :(
I think hes using hard as a verb not an adjective.
So, where does Ba-Boom the Boisterous fit into all of this? And how comes that among all the monkeys/apes in the DK universe, there are only three baboons?
We need a Donkey Kong movie about the Kongs in NYC getting chased by Jumpman and Stanley. Then they are taken to Kong Island where they raise their family until the humans who are fighting in a war mutate a crocodile that becomes Mr. X and starts war on Kong Island and he makes the Mankey Kongs and other creatures join his army of mutant crocodiles called the Kremlings. He also finds a way to the Mushroom Kingdom where he makes allies with the Smithy Gang and gives them Kongs for prisoners of war. So Jr. and the other Kongs go to save the captive Kongs so after some fighting Jr. and Mr. X are staring each other down both with guns in their hands and at the same time they both kill each other. So K.rool one of the Klumps in the Kremling army becomes the leader of them and D.K. the third becomes his mortal enemy and the war continues.
Hey Gnoggin,
I know you said in your q&a video that you were disappointed in this video's performance, but this is one of my favorites by you. Keep up the good work!
we need an explication for that statue of original donkey Kong in
the ruins of donkey Kong county returns
It would be awesome if in the next DK game if they bring back King K. Rool or maybe (Hate me if you want it's just an idea) the Return of the Kongs from Jungle beat lead by Ghastly King.
Here is my interpretation of The Great Ape War (keep in mind it is a little bit different):
Before this mess started Donkey Kong Senior (Cranky Kong when he was younger) Captured Pauline. Mario (being the hero he is) saves Pauline and recaptures Donkey Kong Senior. Donkey Kong Senior's son, Donkey Kong Jr. went to save papa. He succeeded and DK Senior, Wrinkly Kong, and Jr. escaped from Mario and went to an island. Time passes and things start going downhill. Mr. X declares war thus The Great Ape War begin and A Grown up DK Jr. dies. Mr. X get's killed for good but becomes Kackle. Playing it safe, Kackle sends King K. Rool to steal Donkey Kong The Third's Bananas and sends Smithy to capture some Kong's and use them as slaves in the Mushroom Kingdom. Some other Kong's get captured by K. Rool. Smithy get's defeated by Mario and the gang and K Rool get defeated by DK The Third. After DK 64 The war is said to be over but suddenly comes back when Kackle Possess Ghastly Kong, Dread Kong, Ninja Kong, and other Kong's and innocent creatures. DK The Third did what he did best and defeated Kackle. Next Kackle summons the Tiki Tak Tribe to hypnotize the entire Island but fails as DK The Third defeat's Tiki Tong and the tribe. Furious, Kackle get's Lord Fredrik and his army of Snowmads to banish the Kong's, Finally, Kackle had taken over DK Island...But not for long as DK The Third and his family takes down Lord Fredrik and reclaims the island. Kackle could be planning another attack today but it is hard to say, but for now the Kong's live in peace.
Donkey Kong only kidnapped Pauline because Mario kept him in a cage and beat him with a whip, forcing him to perform in a circus
For some reason I remember funky kong actually saying he was a pilot. But who knows the last time I played DK 64 i was playing it late at night and half asleep.
Death. Destruction. Dong.
Oh hey, that's what they called me in college.
Mario and friends might even be responsible for ending the great ape war, that is if we assume Smithy was the main antagonist in it.
Then the factory-level could just as well be pieces of Smithy's Factory that might've come through the dimensional gate.
I just realized that New York he could be mentioning be the place in Mario Odyssey, New Donk City, since of the appearance of the same bananas and Pauline.
Its actually the same place.
"What happened between Donkey Kong Country 3 and the first Donkey Kong Country," the description asks. Umm... DKC2?
Why wouldn't Mario kill DK Jr? He tried to before.
Maybe because the Mario in donkey kong jr is the modern Marios father
Jack Hamilton Game Theory isn't cannon.
Kyle Netherwood because he realized killing a baby monkey was more f%$ked up then stomping on not real mushrooms
Kyle Netherwood well we dont know evryone can belive what they want!
Exactly
10:45 - Don't forget the Flying Krock, KAOS, and an artificial Crocodile Isle.
Imagine if Mr X's killer was in fact DK Jr, sacrificing himself to end the war.
"Nintendo aren't known for dark secrets in their games."
Ummm, maybe they aren't KNOWN for it but... does Metroid, Xenoblade, and Fire Emblem having stuff on the surface make them not count?
What if this is actually the Bermuda triangle and the plans crashed because of the disappearances and the Kremlin's being the odd ball pirates they are just found some salvageable equipment from the remains
Dang man! Everytime I subscribe to a TH-cam channel, they always end up showing up on here not long after!
I subscribe to Bird Keeper Toby, he appears on here
I subscribe to Treesicle, he appears on here
Maybe if I subscribe to PewDiePie....
Bird Keeper Tony ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
+Ninetales Commander Toby*
everynightxRIOT! ...nah
+Meta the Dragonite (The True Dragon Gamer) g
Amigazazo
Thoroughly loved the entire via, too much to type tbh haha. Truly though amazing vid. Presented well, spoke clearly ( as always ), Spoke up about the Wiki, and outsourced information very well.
10/10
I see this is the new Game Theory. I'm perfectly fine with this.
I just realised that K. Rool, while wordplay for 'cruel', but *may possibly* be short for Kremling Rool, which *if* that is the case; K. Rool's uninitialized name would would be wordplay for 'Kremling rule'…
So… is K. Rool his birth name, a roleplay name, or simply a name he gave himself when he became leader, or possibly gave himself when he decided to invade DKI(DKC?)?
Dude, that wiki is run by fans, that specific page was probably made by some idiot who didn't know what he was doing.
***** Well apparently Gnoggin didn't know that.
+Snipper Joey I figured that after I did some digging, but by that point I had found so much actual evidence for all these other wars going on that I developed it into a theory of my own. So while initially sparked by fans being silly, it led into making actual connections, taking a look at all the militarization of the islands, the loss of DK Jr. and the chained kongs in Mario RPG definitely makes it seem like something was going on. Funnily enough none of those things are even mentioned in the wiki.
Gnoggin I was mostly refering to when you talked about Funky Kong's identity and tail.
+Gnoggin this video doesnt make sense that the mario universe is within our own. For example in DkcR donkey kong punched the moon, that is was within the planets atmosphere and was about half the size of kong island. that simple fact negates this video. And thats just one small example
***** I think it was New Jersey.
Oh my God Gnoggin i love you!!, i was just looking for a good chiptune artist to inspire my next comic, and you just gave me that in the outro!, love you man!
And that's a pretty sick theory by the way, i mean, there were somethings you guys just didn't took into account, but overall, and given the lack of infromation regarding these things in the Donkey kong lore, i'd pretty much say it is possible, after all, many Nintendo games feature a war or a post-war enviroment, Super Mario, Legend of Zelda, Pokemon, Star Fox, etc...
Clearly, DK Junior died in a karting accident involving an unfortunate hit from a green shell on rainbow road that sent him flying into the dark cold void of space where he froze and suffocated to death. All witnesses to this incident have kept silent ever since, engaging in a pact to never to tell anyone.
So if the Kongs aren't directly involved in the war, are they at least ... GUERILLAS? Thank you, I'll be here all week.
Gnoggin x Treesicle? Oh let the fan fic begin!
I mean, the Shipping X is there for a reason
+Marcell Derp (MemeLord) link plz
Cringe
DKC is the follow up to Kong: Skull Island. After the U.S. discovers the location of the Island they send forces to take it over as well as exploit all it's resources. I imagine a bunch of dead animals would have a bunch of oil. We do see the story unfold from DK's perspective and at the time he had never seen a human, so to him the unknown invading force look like lizards (also the skull monsters from the movie). After they discover the island via scout planes, they send an invading force to secure a beach head. Since they are many and DK only has his immediate family the invading force easily over runs the island. DK only knowing the stories handed down from Cranky Kong, proceeds to stomp all over them (like his dad & mom did in the film).
what's this "or" business? He was clery young and silly
One of my favorite crossovers
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The kong family is going through more wars than the TH-cam comment section
Treesicle X Gnoggin. Treeggin. I SHIP IT AND NOBODY CAN STOP ME
i know this is 5 years ago, but could Bonneton from Odyssey have been a result of the Ape War?
Tone of research
Reading hyrule histoaria
"did it like they do on the discovery channel" I LOVE THE "Bad touch" REFERENCE!
Welcome to the under 1000 view club, how tuff are ya
not tuff at all
+ObiJuanKenobi3 You're about as tough as a piece of paper being thrown at a solid rock.
In short, you're very weak.
+Ninetales Commander well..that wasn't very nice.
Maybe the reason they have modern technology/magic is due to Gruntilda from Banjo-kazooie helping them out. Since Banjo and Tiptup made an appearance in Diddy Kong racing (which is Canon if nuts and bolts holds true) Banjo and Donky Kong coexist together. Maybe one day Gruntilda saw that a group of Crocs had some beef with a friend of Banjo and decided to help since the "enemy of my enemy is my friend". Gruntilda is a witch so that covers the magic part and it's shown she has a knack for machinery (Rusty bucket bay, grunty Industries, everything she builds in nuts and bolts) and gave both of those things to K.Rool in order for the death of a friend of Banjos. Grunty is shown to be very petty and that is something she would do just for revenge.
war. what is it good for?
ABSOLUTELY NOTHING
only good reason is that it reduces the population because its growing rabidly
Advancing in technology and economic stimulation.
+cole ford a video game series that has the same exact formula and is the name of a fish
Making the rich richer and country poorer. That's what's happening to the USA. If only they'd learn from Japan. In this day and age the economy itself is the most profitable thing to focus on but America is to far behind the times.
Here's a theory: Perhaps the Mankey Gang wanted the Banana Horde, and they made a deal with K.Rool? Something like "if you get us the Horde, we'll help you conquer the world? Of course, they wouldn't be allowed into an area as critical as Krocodile Isle, and after that game he likely got fed up with them, traded their (at this point unwilling) service to Smithy in exchange for advanced technology (thus making the jump from industrial sites to Mad Scientist territory), yet continued to attack the Kongs first because he recognized that they would be the biggest threat to his plans? That would get rid of the necessity for any additional wars, still leave enough time for DK Jr. to die (probably the Horde was HIS before DKs, and thus his death was the first sign of treachery), allow Funky to get injured (assuming he isn't just going for alliteration there), and yet still keep the scale down to a level that wouldn't spill out to a point where they would likely have made a game or two about it. And if they AREN'T making games of it, then why does Cranky refer to "Video Game Heroes" or insinuate that DK's adventures could BE games? For that matter, why would there be a DK Arcade, or Jetpac, or the various Rare and Nintendo memorabilia, OR the fact that those arcade games have the same copyright info as their real-world counterparts? Seems pretty obvious they DO monetize the past that way...
+ShadwSonic Ooh, ooh, I just got a better idea! What if Funky... IS DK Jr.? Think about it: it explains why they never ever mention him in future games, allows the "Great Ape War" to be a nickname to the minor skirmish that split the Mankeys from the Kongs, and even gives a reason as to why he never reappeared in Mario Kart after the first one! Well, he would've appeared for Wii, but that would likely be because his "cool dude" thing only started after SMK, and go-karts don't really fit that trend. Motorcycles though? DEFINITELY within that MO. Not sure why he wouldn't be in U though... maybe he was sick? Or just moved on to something else?
Still my fav donkey Kong theory in 2019
Huh...so if funky was half monkey that would explain the relation between donkey Kong and diddy kong o.o
well fuck this makes sense
+Mad Robot maybe Mario was a refugee during the war. The stork was probably the care taker of Mario's birth parents. Mario's father must have went to war, and his mom (Pauline) must have told the stork to retreat with baby Mario. That is probably what the star children are, refugees of war. This must lead right into Yoshi's Island.
Immortal Turtle but Pauline appear in MVSDK2 ?? And he looks like he's in love With her ?
MVSDK2 Is not canon, besides that Mario is likely the Father of Present Mario
counter theory: DK Jr. dies in a go-karting accident. DK III sues(hence the tie), getting guard rail added to Rainbow Road. Then uses settlement money to race in his father's honor.
And war....
War never changes.
I was gonna comment that but you beat me by a long shot.
Dong never changes
maybe Mario was a refugee during the war. The stork was probably the care taker of Mario's birth parents. Mario's father must have went to war, and his mom (Pauline) must have told the stork to retreat with baby Mario. That is probably what the star children are, refugees of war. This must lead right into Yoshi's Island.
Gnoggin loves DK cnfrmd
Gnoggin loves Dong.
I'm sorry. Terrible puns.
"they give people a means to smile, a means to escape"
shows kirby who's antagonists fuel my nightmares..
I approve.
Perhaps Kremlings are smart enough to invent, but not smart enough for strategic combat.
Stolen from Robert Kongman
agreed
It's actually kind of astounding how stolen it is. Can't believe more people haven't called them out on it.
If we took your theory, the other guy's game theory, and threw in some thematic elements inspired from Hotel Rwanda and Blood Diamond, I wonder how the movie would play out.
Hotel Rwanda and Blood diamond...with Kremlins and Kongs.
Wow cool this is the only video ever to have the treesicle brand on it that wasn't even halfway watchable but then again it was from three years ago when treesicle was actually good
when you get bored super bored at night and start watching theories about dk while expanding d.o.n.g.
i love how you put "stop reading my tabs" in google search just to spite us lol
DK left metro kingdom and headed to DK island (somewhere away from the mushroom kingdom)
"But Mario wouldn't kill anyone." 18000 billion goombas, 240000 billion koopas, all they did was walk back and forth.... Batman: "Don't worry, their just sleeping?" Yah???? what about the ones he pushed into the lava??? Batman: "Their having a bubble bath."
"Nintendo games are normally known ad family friendly" as crushes a goomba's bones PAINFULLY
I don't like how fast that guy speaks syllables.
He speaks words faster... but he sounds slower because he spaces out multi-syllabled words.
So he sounds at a "normal" speed but he sounds off.
General Klump shooting Funky Kong's tail off... I heard that came from the cartoon.
"And the orangutans revolted" shall be a new phrase of mine