I'm so tired of James carrying the ball every time he touches it. That 'highlight' of him on the fast break, he literally tossed the ball in the middle of dribbles to his opposite hand. Being athletic isn't the same as having skill. James proves it constantly with his brick hands, and MINISCULE bag.
Thank u bruh being athletic definitely doesn’t mean u have skills that’s 2 totally different things. If LeBron was 6’4 220 it wouldn’t be the same player
And was averaging 25ppg at 38 until he got injured. His last 2 years? His average was still around 22ppg. Doesn't sound like MJ was washed at all. In fact, MJ on the Wizards was #1 in scoring, #1 in assists, and #3 in rebounds his first year back.
@@Oldschool1943exactly. People talk like MJ was terrible in those years. I always saw those years as "well he ain't gonna be what he was in Chicago, he isn't gonna be the best player in the league but he's still an all-star caliber player".
@@Nothereman9999 Yep, and that was back when scoring was at a low and guys like Mcgrady, Vince Carter, Pierce, and Kobe were all averaging around 25. Leading up to his injury MJ was right in the mix with the best players at the time.
@@Arctanis-vt3hl exactly! You should compare the numbers Jordan had between ages 27-29 and then do the same for LeBron, it's ridiculous how much better Jordan was in his prime than LeBron was.
Jordan NEVER backed down from a challenge and no matter how he felt physically he was coming for you. That included being ill. Once he had you marked on his calendar he was preparing to destroy and humiliate you.
He marked some random point guard from like Africa or Puerto Rico in a dream team game cuz he kinda said Jordan can't guard me... And I think it was an exhibition game lol! Jordan DEMANDED HE guard that cat, I think it's a barkley story about when he knew Jordan was insane lol Edit added: yeah, just search on here "when Charles barely knew jordan" ...it'll automatically fill the rest with "was crazy"....its a short, it's the point guard from PR... but u gotta hear it cuz I can't even do it justice. Ain't no one today got that will of a madman like MJ HAD
@@masterrserch3971 I never heard this particular story but yeah, I can believe it. The fire that Jordan had and his need to win was unmatched. The fact that the Pistons whipped his ass early on in his career turned him into an animal. Instead of folding he powered up after every defeat
@@KyprosEcmj literally did a shoot around and didn’t miss a single shot bcuz he didn’t want to give the kids at his camp free Jordan’s lol they even asked him to miss fi the kids and he was like naahhhh lol they did the free shoes but damn he couldn’t even lose on purpose lol
Except when he retired in 93 missing 1994 and lost in 1995 playoffs before the Finals, ducking the best team he would have faced in the Finals in the 95 Rockets.
There is one thing that happened during MJ's wizard year that made me have total respect of him, in one of the games against the Pacers, MJ only scored like 8 points, having a really bad night and the coach Doug Collins pulled MJ off the court and never let him on court again, that game made MJ break his record of consecutive games of making double digit point, did he care? No, he never asked to go back on court so he can get another 2 point to maintain his record, he even told Doug after the game that he made the right choice of pulling him off, and asked Doug if he still believe he can still play which Doug replied yes, the next 2 games ( one against Hornet and the other i believe is the Nets ) Mj did the unthinkable, he scored a total of 90+ points in those 2 games, with hornet 50+ and net 40+ points, I watched those 2 games on live TV at the time and I was blown away by what MJ did, MJ never cares about record, unlike LBJ, all he wanted is to win and he will do anything to achieve that goal, that's his passion to the game of basketball. Can LBJ do what MJ did? I don't know but I doubt he ever will, with that weak mentality he has, all he wants now is all the possible record and accomplishment ( besides winning championships ) in the hope of besting MJ in the goat conversation.
There is totally opposing story about LeBron. In 2021 during match against Hawks, James sprained his ankle in 2nd quarter. He could barely walk, but he stay on the court for the couple more possesions to get to 10 points to keep his streak alive. Immediately after he got a three that get him there he went off the court. The Lakers lost that game to the Hawks 94-99 and commentators were speaking how important was to keep this streak alive. So in conclusion streak was more important than winning a game. Thats the difference between LBJ and Jordan.
@@Vince-tt1uj That's why I don't respect him much anymore, I love his early Cavs days, but ever since his Heat transfer drama, 2011 final bail out performance, then switching back to the Cavs when they got some decent player and finally all his social media rant I just had enough, for someone cares more about record than winning championships? No thank you.
@@lydellb I know and I believe most of the fans know, but to see him go off like that is just unbelievable, especially against the net, who is at that time one of the best defensive team in the league, I saw that game and the Nets literally tried with everyone guarding MJ but with little success, he is just unstoppable.
He never sat out a game in order to “rest up” or “save his energy” for the post season. He said he was paid to do a job and play basketball. What if some kid comes to the United center, only opportunity he’ll ever get to see Michael Jordan play basketball only to see him sitting on the sideline riding the bench. MJ is the goat and LeFlop doesn’t have anything on him.
I would say thats the big difference between them when it comes to the newer players and people like kobe and Mj, both played so much it ruined their body they didnt even care if it was bad for them it was the game or noting, newer players Lebron included follow certain things to keep their bodies intact like the sitting out of games or playing one game less aggressive with the mindset its an early game so it doesnt matter.
Oh sh*t, you're right. I totally forgot about that. Why Is no one talking about Jordan's durability when he played in a league full of "head-hunters" I believe he mentioned that a kids parents saved up money to watch him play and it would be dishonorable for him not to suit up if he could.
@Lizards_Lounge For real Kobe is the closest thing to Jordan. It's sad that when Kobe was still alive, many people had Kobe behind Jordan as the 2nd greatest player of all time but ever since Kobe died, his career is always being disrespected and this is coming from someone who is a die-hard Sacramento Kings fan who has watched Kobe destroy my team time and time again. Kobe deserves more respect
@@Scaley_ReptileKobe isn’t even better than LBJ in terms of overall career. Maybe certain mindset aspects but not overall. People just miss MJ so much they place Kobe at #2 to satisfy their expectations
Nobody says someone is the Lebron James of their sport. It’s still always Michael Jordan. Michael is synonymous with being the best, Lebron isn’t ever going to have that.
An even better example of Jordan shutting someone down is the game that Kobe fans like to say that Kobe showed MJ he was the man. Legend says that MJ said Kobe couldn’t fill his shoes and Kobe had the big game in response. What people fail to realize is that Kobe had a great first half. The second half MJ picked him up on D and shit him down. MJ is unparalleled when it comes to rising to the occasion.
Jordan's 2002 season averages through 55 games (prior to tearing his meniscus and sitting out a month) were like 25.5/6/5/43% FG at age 39 (he was 38 years and 9 months old at the start of that season and turned 39 before the injury).
Mike put up them 23/5/5 numbers in ‘02 after being retired for 3 years and on a team that won 19 games the year before. Then fresh off a 3-peat prime #8 Kobe put up (og) 24/5/5 numbers in ‘03 playing with Shaq and that whole gang. But Mike in Washington was garbage they say.
Im so glad you made this video it really highlights the facts that lebrons defense is absolutely terrible his age isnt an excuse and it highlights that the league now simply doesnt have great competitiveness
Thank you for this I've been screaming this to the roof top at my TV everytime I heard a tv personality try to trick the view I to believing the non sense the talent is better today then yesterday.
Lebron is not realistically a top 10 player but apparently if we compare him to Jordan it leapfrogs him over all the other all time greats?? He isnt even better than Jokic but ive never heard anyone mention that. People even say hes the best player on the Lakers when its clearly AD. We are truly in the twilight zone!
@@Surf456 Lebron right now is probably the worst performer of the Lakers DESPITE HIS EMPTY STATS.... his box +/- is almost always one of the worst on the team every night because he literally gets empty stats and lets everyone score and hanging his team out to dry on defense... if they didn't have AD who is one of the best defenders in the league the Lakers would be literally 13th or worse in the West...
People leave out the fact that JORDAN WASNT CHASING RINGS bcuz he wouldn’t have NEVER EVER picked the WASHINGTON WIZARDS to come outta a 2ND RETIREMENT to play for..SERIOUSLY 😳
Facts. If he was chasing rings he would’ve joined his lil bro and the only coach he wanted to play for (Lakers). Imagine if he did do that? He’d have at least 9 rings jfc. Omg I’m so glad he didn’t tbh.
fr man and its crazy he made that bum ass team an actual contender after joining them at 38, and even more so he almost won the all star game against kobe if that guy didnt foul kobe at the last minute.
that's the real _"i just wanna hoop/compete"_ unlike this soft fake ass superstars who used this line just to hit back at the media. then they are on LM due to rest😅
MJ is the goat legacy legend! You can argue what player you would rather start with and I understand! But don’t argue the goat because that’s honestly not up for debate
I'd rather start a franchise with Jordan too. He'll stay there for virtually his entire career and if you surround him with potential then he'll make them better and lead them to championships.
Great video! The amount of individual competitiveness has been nearly non-existent for the past decade and half. Instead of trying to lockdown their rivals, most star players (particularly the domestic ones) literally just take turns in layups/dunks or 3's basically unobstructed because they prefer to fraternize (even on the court) over taking care of business as a competitor.
According to LBJ fans their boy has never ducked a team/player despite numerous games proving otherwise. Yet to them MJ ducked Hakeem in the mid 90’s by retiring. Yes, MJ retired in late 93 bc he knew, and only HE knew Hakeem was gonna make the finals the following season in 94....so bc of that, he retired lmao.
... yet when MJ came back and loses in the 95 playoffs prior to the Finals, Houston repeats as the best team MJ would have faced in the Finals and one year he was retired while the other he couldnt get there. 6-0 though right? LMAO
@@phillyphan1346 17 games played after taking almost 2 years not having dribbled a basketball and he's supposed to just come back with no rust? After working out over the summer, another 3 peat with Hakeem still in the league. Business as usual.
MJ ducked Hakeem in 90's that's why he retire in 93 is the worst argument that can be made by a hater against MJ because how would MJ know that Hakeem and the rockets would appear in 94 finals? Is MJ a psychic? Lmao.
@@phillyphan1346I loved those Rockets teams and you’re speaking what you clearly do not know. You want us to believe Jordan and the entire bulls roster lost on purpose so they wouldn’t lose in the Finals? Lolol And yes… Jordan is 6-0 in the Finals. That is a fact and cannot be disputed.
The more physical the defense, the harder it is to score. It's just a fact. When you take away the half the weapons a defense has you are going to inflate the scoring which is exactly what this era has done for over a decade.
Great vid! As someone who grew up a Vince Carter fan, I watched this game unsurprised. Even as a young kid only having witnessed the tail end of MJs Bulls career, I knew Jordan was something different. I will argue that Vince in the first few seasons with the Nets was a better, more complete player who would have been a more difficult cover.
I dont get lebron fans they are just nuts always bringing up Jordan skipping over Kobe never acknowledge the fact lebron jumps ship all the time never acknowledges the fact Lebron has never carried a team himself he always goes to a team with a up incoming superstar at the top of their game, its like the one time ive seen this guy try and carry a team was when he was first on the cavs then he left to go to miami with the best shooting guard in the league at the time, then go back to the cavs with Kyrie Irving playing the best he ever has, then go to LA with a top level Anthony Davis, its like you cant say the guy is a bad player but I mean you're gonna say the dude is better than Jordan who won 6 times in a row?
Jordan scored from the paint and at the midrange when bigs packed the paint and handchecking was a thing how would anyone stop him if he played in this era
Vince was actually in foul trouble during the second half of the game (had 3 fouls by half, 2 in third quarter) so his aggressiveness attacking the basket was probably reduced. Even with that said, still partially due to MJ locking him down
Cool content. Love the Jordan Vince story. I think any game a star takes off media will say you’re ducking someone with all the talent in the league. I miss the tempo of the mid 90s to mid 2000s, some games today feel like an all star game but games change with time. Oh well.
Today's NBA has a lot of skill... HOWEVER... BACK THEN: 1) How often did you see traveling like you see it today? It is not even close and that alone makes it near impossible to guard someone 2) Obviously you can barely touch anyone today defensively without getting a 'touch foul 3) 3 point play is a massive differentiator today - no doubt. I will give that to today's play. They could have launched 3s back in those days to, but they didn't. That is a huge difference and opens everything else up... I always say, as much as Jordan dominated in his price until his second retirement, and realistically should have got MVP every year, the most impressive thing was what he did after being gone for 3 years and playing most of those 2 years with nagging injuries. His numbers were super impressive given all those things in those times. In that sport, to come back after being gone for 3 years, to have the numbers he has was super impressive. They are very close to Kobe's lifetime averages!
It’s become increasingly difficult to play defense when the floor is so spread out. 3pt shooting skill increases is a net positive for offenses but some of the skills in the in between game and on the block have been lost a bit. That’s why jokic is so good because he is in many ways a throwback player but also a product of his time
Tmac and kobe use to go at it as did iverson and kobe or vince and kobe!!I remember tmac dropping the great mamba and mamba next play dunking it on the whole florida!!
I never had the impression Vince was cocky lol. And I didn’t think what Carter said was that bad. He didn’t really call out Jordan like antman called out Bron. But I could see jordan being pissed when he found out anyway lol.
That's one thing that always keep Lebron out my top 5. His competitive drive. He always wants to be buddy buddy with everyone. Need that killer instinct
@lilJMoore, that is exactly why LeBron is in my top 10, but not my all time 5. He lacks that killer instinct that MJ, Kobe, Magic, Bird, kareem all have, they demanded the ball when there was 2 seconds and 2 points needed.....
Per 100 is a cool one… Puts it into context for these young ones to understand…. Prime MJ would have 100 per 100 possessions in this easy-to-score era! 😆
Remember when A rookie Tatum dunked on LeBron and let him know about it ? What did LeBron do about that ? Nothing. Give me 1 rookie that did that to MJ and MJ didn't destroy him every time they played each other that season
Look... LeBron is hanging on because of one real record - Jerry West's finals points. Not necessarily finals victories, but finals total points. It's not about the wins. I admire chasing greatness, but he's always the one chasing lol which means someone else is ahead of him. Jordan was in this battle with himself to win & accepted he wouldn't be able to play against legends of the past. So he let his body of work speak and let the chips fall, but #1 was ALWAYS to win, but believe it or not, Jordan actually valued the fans. He would say he owed it to the fans that paid to see the games to give them his best - that was his job. It's a different mentality today. These guys don't really care about the fans. They just care about Instagram girls and stuff.
Prime Michael Jordan would DECIMATE edwards both in offense and defense. Taller, faster, quicker, almost twice the vertical, far better stealer. Kids these days dont know what they are talking about...
Here is a few players MJ actually guarded, Penny, A.I. Kobe, Dominiqe, Drexler. Pretty dope players. Here are the only player's Bron has guarded, Rondo and Rose that is it lol
We're giving this sh*t too much energy, all basketball enthusiasts know what's up. LeBron "I need to recruit allstars" James to win championships isn't even on Allen Iverson level, and he didn't even win 1.
You should do a video about how many points and rings he would have if the refs made the right calls instead of rigging series like vs Golden State as a ref already admitted and all the carries travels charges double dribbles he has gotten away with allowing him to get more stats and wins when he should have MANY more turnovers resulting in MANY more points and wins for the opposing teams. His entire carear is a sham!
@ricardolozano5356 they might be more skilled today as guards but they are severly lacking in basketball iq, defensive awareness, off ball movement, passing and team basketball. Todays game is purely 1v1 with minimal defense and no inside presence at all.
There's more offensive talent in the league right now than there ever has been. Yes the rules have changed and the pace is higher but if you're only looking at that then you're not paying attention.
@hypocritetrollbot7729 the hand check rule changed in 04. Offense was in a bit of a dead zone then excluding the premier talent. 3 point percentages are slightly higher than they used to be even with a way higher volume (also almost everyone on the court can shoot now or they are considered a liability)... free throw percentages are higher too. Can't blame that on bad defense.
@davidtigelman4653 what about all the travelling and dribbling violations these days it surely makes it easier to score with extra steps and carrying the ball
@@ogmusik2549I agree with that to an extent. They didn't really change much, the offiating just misses a lot. AI did the same moves throughout his career and ppl thought he was a wizard. Now so many players can pull off those same moves. My point is, new players have all the tools and resources (training and video footage) to build off of the old techniques of the greats before them. That has allowed the game to evolve into what it is now. Is it easier to score, yes. Is there way more skill, also yes. You may not like the game or the players as much as you once did but that doesn't mean that their isn't a complete saturation of talent.
Why can't we all just respect both player's greatness and legacies? It doesn't matter who you think is better, at the end of the day, these are 2 of the greatest, if not the 2 greatest, basketball players in history. Just got to cherish them both 🙏💯
@reeseangle9621 OK 👍. A 4x MVP, 4x Finals MVP, 19x All-NBA, 19x All-Star, 13x All-NBA 1st Team, 3x All-Star MVP, etc is trash. Let's not leave out that he is the all-time leading scorer in both the Regular Season and Playoffs in NBA history. Or how he's 4th all-time in AST. 30K PTS, 10K AST, and 10K TRB. But yeah, he's definitely "trash."
That can never happen. Bron fans will not accept that. They will always make a case for Lebron to be the goat. Make false narrative and lame excuses for their arguments that causes hate. If somebody says MJ is the goat and Lebron is top5 they will call that somebody a hater.
@abner0584 If you think MJ is the GOAT, I'm cool with that. I personally have LeBron as my GOAT and MJ 2nd, which isn't disrespectful. It's just my opinion. If you have LeBron in your top 5, I'm also cool with that. It's just people's opinions at the end of the day and how they rank players.
@ScaryHoursInsideLA I know Lebron could play in that era. I know Jordan is the prescipous of NBA icons. Lebron is a goat. However it's just that Jordan is the Goatest to ever play. The AIR, the litmus test and the highest standard set 🥱.
@ScaryHoursInsideLA So you think the defenders are better now? Ummm of course they 'have' to guard thoes two different. You clearly don't watch the defence of the past compared to today.. so why would you know? They changed the rules of the game 🤔 or you don't inform yourself about that aspect?
Someone really have this Lefraud at 1:38 as a highlight? Noone sees a double dribble?? No sorry. We can not compare players as what they are playing today is different sport. I don't know what it is, but it is not basketball
If you call that a double dribble, you don’t know basketball at all. The very first dribble at 1:40 was a live ball. Lebron did not dribble it. You also probably think gather + 2 steps is a travel.
@@Lomno12 Please stick to golf and scripted wrestling. Basketball is too advanced for you. Objectively not a double dribble on any level of the sport and hasn’t been for at least 50 years.
LeBron is a freak and a physical specimen and hands down NO ONE has came into the league with more pressure and scrutiny on his career. That being said he's not the GOAT in my opinion. You can argue the stats all day, but what makes MJ the GOAT has little to do with stats. It's the way he played the game. He dominated both ends of the floor most of his career. Not only didn't he take games off, he didn't take possessions off. The scary thing is he seemed to take it personal and take his game to a borderline insane level when offended or someone talked trash and to think if he did that every game just imagine what he could have achieved. MJ hasn't played an NBA game in 20 years and his shoe sales are still #1. There's really only 1 question to settle the debate... if you were to pick any player to play 1 on 1 for YOUR LIFE... who you taking?
I'm so tired of James carrying the ball every time he touches it.
That 'highlight' of him on the fast break, he literally tossed the ball in the middle of dribbles to his opposite hand.
Being athletic isn't the same as having skill.
James proves it constantly with his brick hands, and MINISCULE bag.
I am so tired of all of them caring the ball
Thank u bruh being athletic definitely doesn’t mean u have skills that’s 2 totally different things. If LeBron was 6’4 220 it wouldn’t be the same player
what your not a fan of the crab dribble.
@@captainmartin1219 when crabs do it.
He should have The Bagless One tattooed on his back.
Jordan retired in 1998 at the age of 35, but returned three years later at the age of 38, which is truly amazing.
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And was averaging 25ppg at 38 until he got injured. His last 2 years? His average was still around 22ppg. Doesn't sound like MJ was washed at all. In fact, MJ on the Wizards was #1 in scoring, #1 in assists, and #3 in rebounds his first year back.
@@Nothereman9999 Michael Jordan's final game he was 40 Yr-Old (2003.03.09) and scored 39 Pts, with ease At MSG!
@@Oldschool1943exactly. People talk like MJ was terrible in those years. I always saw those years as "well he ain't gonna be what he was in Chicago, he isn't gonna be the best player in the league but he's still an all-star caliber player".
@@Nothereman9999 Yep, and that was back when scoring was at a low and guys like Mcgrady, Vince Carter, Pierce, and Kobe were all averaging around 25. Leading up to his injury MJ was right in the mix with the best players at the time.
Jordan recorded more steals at age 40 than LeBron did at age 33
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Actually, he's got more at 40 than in each year lebron's been with the Lakers! Lebron's best year he had 78 steals.
@@Arctanis-vt3hl exactly! You should compare the numbers Jordan had between ages 27-29 and then do the same for LeBron, it's ridiculous how much better Jordan was in his prime than LeBron was.
Easy to get steals when more than half the league couldn't even dribble the ball lol
@@codyeble0713 So you mean today’s players are very good in dribbling the ball?
Jordan NEVER backed down from a challenge and no matter how he felt physically he was coming for you. That included being ill. Once he had you marked on his calendar he was preparing to destroy and humiliate you.
He marked some random point guard from like Africa or Puerto Rico in a dream team game cuz he kinda said Jordan can't guard me...
And I think it was an exhibition game lol! Jordan DEMANDED HE guard that cat, I think it's a barkley story about when he knew Jordan was insane lol
Edit added: yeah, just search on here "when Charles barely knew jordan" ...it'll automatically fill the rest with "was crazy"....its a short, it's the point guard from PR... but u gotta hear it cuz I can't even do it justice.
Ain't no one today got that will of a madman like MJ HAD
@@masterrserch3971 I never heard this particular story but yeah, I can believe it. The fire that Jordan had and his need to win was unmatched. The fact that the Pistons whipped his ass early on in his career turned him into an animal. Instead of folding he powered up after every defeat
@@masterrserch3971 found it! And it just so turns out I did see it bevause I have a comment on it lol
@@KyprosEcmj literally did a shoot around and didn’t miss a single shot bcuz he didn’t want to give the kids at his camp free Jordan’s lol they even asked him to miss fi the kids and he was like naahhhh lol they did the free shoes but damn he couldn’t even lose on purpose lol
Except when he retired in 93 missing 1994 and lost in 1995 playoffs before the Finals, ducking the best team he would have faced in the Finals in the 95 Rockets.
There is one thing that happened during MJ's wizard year that made me have total respect of him, in one of the games against the Pacers, MJ only scored like 8 points, having a really bad night and the coach Doug Collins pulled MJ off the court and never let him on court again, that game made MJ break his record of consecutive games of making double digit point, did he care? No, he never asked to go back on court so he can get another 2 point to maintain his record, he even told Doug after the game that he made the right choice of pulling him off, and asked Doug if he still believe he can still play which Doug replied yes, the next 2 games ( one against Hornet and the other i believe is the Nets ) Mj did the unthinkable, he scored a total of 90+ points in those 2 games, with hornet 50+ and net 40+ points, I watched those 2 games on live TV at the time and I was blown away by what MJ did, MJ never cares about record, unlike LBJ, all he wanted is to win and he will do anything to achieve that goal, that's his passion to the game of basketball. Can LBJ do what MJ did? I don't know but I doubt he ever will, with that weak mentality he has, all he wants now is all the possible record and accomplishment ( besides winning championships ) in the hope of besting MJ in the goat conversation.
There is totally opposing story about LeBron. In 2021 during match against Hawks, James sprained his ankle in 2nd quarter. He could barely walk, but he stay on the court for the couple more possesions to get to 10 points to keep his streak alive. Immediately after he got a three that get him there he went off the court. The Lakers lost that game to the Hawks 94-99 and commentators were speaking how important was to keep this streak alive. So in conclusion streak was more important than winning a game. Thats the difference between LBJ and Jordan.
@@Vince-tt1uj That's why I don't respect him much anymore, I love his early Cavs days, but ever since his Heat transfer drama, 2011 final bail out performance, then switching back to the Cavs when they got some decent player and finally all his social media rant I just had enough, for someone cares more about record than winning championships? No thank you.
That's because MJ knew when he was on and knew when he was off. He could turn it on in his prime, but that wasn't so easy in the wizard era.
@@lydellb I know and I believe most of the fans know, but to see him go off like that is just unbelievable, especially against the net, who is at that time one of the best defensive team in the league, I saw that game and the Nets literally tried with everyone guarding MJ but with little success, he is just unstoppable.
He never sat out a game in order to “rest up” or “save his energy” for the post season. He said he was paid to do a job and play basketball. What if some kid comes to the United center, only opportunity he’ll ever get to see Michael Jordan play basketball only to see him sitting on the sideline riding the bench. MJ is the goat and LeFlop doesn’t have anything on him.
All facts
I would say thats the big difference between them when it comes to the newer players and people like kobe and Mj, both played so much it ruined their body they didnt even care if it was bad for them it was the game or noting, newer players Lebron included follow certain things to keep their bodies intact like the sitting out of games or playing one game less aggressive with the mindset its an early game so it doesnt matter.
Oh sh*t, you're right. I totally forgot about that. Why Is no one talking about Jordan's durability when he played in a league full of "head-hunters" I believe he mentioned that a kids parents saved up money to watch him play and it would be dishonorable for him not to suit up if he could.
MJ will always be the GOAT and there's no question about it
Facts
Maybe 1 day, but so far... havent seen anyone come close.
Kobe was the last GREAT... untill our society changes.. no, there wont be another.
@Lizards_Lounge For real Kobe is the closest thing to Jordan. It's sad that when Kobe was still alive, many people had Kobe behind Jordan as the 2nd greatest player of all time but ever since Kobe died, his career is always being disrespected and this is coming from someone who is a die-hard Sacramento Kings fan who has watched Kobe destroy my team time and time again. Kobe deserves more respect
@@Scaley_ReptileKobe isn’t even better than LBJ in terms of overall career. Maybe certain mindset aspects but not overall. People just miss MJ so much they place Kobe at #2 to satisfy their expectations
Nobody says someone is the Lebron James of their sport. It’s still always Michael Jordan. Michael is synonymous with being the best, Lebron isn’t ever going to have that.
An even better example of Jordan shutting someone down is the game that Kobe fans like to say that Kobe showed MJ he was the man. Legend says that MJ said Kobe couldn’t fill his shoes and Kobe had the big game in response. What people fail to realize is that Kobe had a great first half. The second half MJ picked him up on D and shit him down. MJ is unparalleled when it comes to rising to the occasion.
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Jordan's 2002 season averages through 55 games (prior to tearing his meniscus and sitting out a month) were like 25.5/6/5/43% FG at age 39 (he was 38 years and 9 months old at the start of that season and turned 39 before the injury).
Mike put up them 23/5/5 numbers in ‘02 after being retired for 3 years and on a team that won 19 games the year before. Then fresh off a 3-peat prime #8 Kobe put up (og) 24/5/5 numbers in ‘03 playing with Shaq and that whole gang. But Mike in Washington was garbage they say.
25-6-5 before his meniscus tear 26-21 at All-Star break and an early frontrunner for MVP. During the ⁰²All-Star game they speak on this.
Im so glad you made this video it really highlights the facts that lebrons defense is absolutely terrible his age isnt an excuse and it highlights that the league now simply doesnt have great competitiveness
When he plays terrible they use his age as an excuse. But when Lebron is playing when the media would use his age to put him over MJ.
he used to be pretty decent defensively... thing is, he stopped playing defense like a decade ago.
@@reignmansabsolutely. His second run in Cleveland is when he started dogging it
LeBron thinks he’s the GOAT because of his offensive numbers. Casuals and the average NBA fan only pays attention to those numbers.
Yeah MJ was so competitive, couldn't even sniff the 9th seat at the same age as Bron lmao.
Thank you for this I've been screaming this to the roof top at my TV everytime I heard a tv personality try to trick the view I to believing the non sense the talent is better today then yesterday.
I don't know anyone over the age of 20 that has LeBron in their top 5 all-time.
Lebron is not realistically a top 10 player but apparently if we compare him to Jordan it leapfrogs him over all the other all time greats?? He isnt even better than Jokic but ive never heard anyone mention that. People even say hes the best player on the Lakers when its clearly AD. We are truly in the twilight zone!
Cuz hes way better than Jokic lmaooo
Lebron isn't even the second best on the Lakers.
@@Surf456 Lebron right now is probably the worst performer of the Lakers DESPITE HIS EMPTY STATS.... his box +/- is almost always one of the worst on the team every night because he literally gets empty stats and lets everyone score and hanging his team out to dry on defense... if they didn't have AD who is one of the best defenders in the league the Lakers would be literally 13th or worse in the West...
@@Denthead9You must have a dent in your head if you think that. You made a funny😂
@@Denthead9 Joker is already better than prime Lebron. These next 10 yrs are not gonna be fun for you...
MJ was MVP frontrunner with Jason Kidd before his injury!
People leave out the fact that JORDAN WASNT CHASING RINGS bcuz he wouldn’t have NEVER EVER picked the WASHINGTON WIZARDS to come outta a 2ND RETIREMENT to play for..SERIOUSLY 😳
Facts. If he was chasing rings he would’ve joined his lil bro and the only coach he wanted to play for (Lakers). Imagine if he did do that? He’d have at least 9 rings jfc. Omg I’m so glad he didn’t tbh.
fr man and its crazy he made that bum ass team an actual contender after joining them at 38, and even more so he almost won the all star game against kobe if that guy didnt foul kobe at the last minute.
that's the real _"i just wanna hoop/compete"_ unlike this soft fake ass superstars who used this line just to hit back at the media.
then they are on LM due to rest😅
MJ is the goat legacy legend! You can argue what player you would rather start with and I understand! But don’t argue the goat because that’s honestly not up for debate
Facts MJ is the real GOAT
I'd rather start a franchise with Jordan too. He'll stay there for virtually his entire career and if you surround him with potential then he'll make them better and lead them to championships.
@victoralexander3767 I know right. I'm gonna try to do that on NBA 2k after I get done in my first season in My Career
Great video! The amount of individual competitiveness has been nearly non-existent for the past decade and half. Instead of trying to lockdown their rivals, most star players (particularly the domestic ones) literally just take turns in layups/dunks or 3's basically unobstructed because they prefer to fraternize (even on the court) over taking care of business as a competitor.
According to LBJ fans their boy has never ducked a team/player despite numerous games proving otherwise. Yet to them MJ ducked Hakeem in the mid 90’s by retiring. Yes, MJ retired in late 93 bc he knew, and only HE knew Hakeem was gonna make the finals the following season in 94....so bc of that, he retired lmao.
... yet when MJ came back and loses in the 95 playoffs prior to the Finals, Houston repeats as the best team MJ would have faced in the Finals and one year he was retired while the other he couldnt get there. 6-0 though right? LMAO
You didn't know Jordan was psychic??😂
@@phillyphan1346 17 games played after taking almost 2 years not having dribbled a basketball and he's supposed to just come back with no rust? After working out over the summer, another 3 peat with Hakeem still in the league. Business as usual.
MJ ducked Hakeem in 90's that's why he retire in 93 is the worst argument that can be made by a hater against MJ because how would MJ know that Hakeem and the rockets would appear in 94 finals? Is MJ a psychic? Lmao.
@@phillyphan1346I loved those Rockets teams and you’re speaking what you clearly do not know. You want us to believe Jordan and the entire bulls roster lost on purpose so they wouldn’t lose in the Finals? Lolol
And yes… Jordan is 6-0 in the Finals. That is a fact and cannot be disputed.
The more physical the defense, the harder it is to score. It's just a fact. When you take away the half the weapons a defense has you are going to inflate the scoring which is exactly what this era has done for over a decade.
Remember LeBron is the "Silver Media GOAT."
MJ💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾🐐🐐🐐🐐
And lefraud wonders why no one respects him
I’m glad that there is at least one young player who has the list correct
A prime Jordan would slay all these current players. He would average 45-50 points per game with how they play today!
Great vid! As someone who grew up a Vince Carter fan, I watched this game unsurprised. Even as a young kid only having witnessed the tail end of MJs Bulls career, I knew Jordan was something different. I will argue that Vince in the first few seasons with the Nets was a better, more complete player who would have been a more difficult cover.
MJ leading the league in EVERY category one season or another and no other player doing that is something not talked about enough
Walking off the court at that game, Vince didn't look too happy lol! Look back at that.
LeBron sits out against the Timberwolves, after Ant called him out, but plays against the 12 win Bulls and Ja Morant-less Grizzlies.
U did best breakdown of my favorite era 2000s thanks because to me that was the most talented era & skills. 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
apparently we’re supposed to believe that LeBron did every single thing in his career the right way…if not it’s just hating
I dont get lebron fans they are just nuts always bringing up Jordan skipping over Kobe never acknowledge the fact lebron jumps ship all the time never acknowledges the fact Lebron has never carried a team himself he always goes to a team with a up incoming superstar at the top of their game, its like the one time ive seen this guy try and carry a team was when he was first on the cavs then he left to go to miami with the best shooting guard in the league at the time, then go back to the cavs with Kyrie Irving playing the best he ever has, then go to LA with a top level Anthony Davis, its like you cant say the guy is a bad player but I mean you're gonna say the dude is better than Jordan who won 6 times in a row?
Jordan scored from the paint and at the midrange when bigs packed the paint and handchecking was a thing how would anyone stop him if he played in this era
Lebum cries when someone looks his way on the court.
Vince was actually in foul trouble during the second half of the game (had 3 fouls by half, 2 in third quarter) so his aggressiveness attacking the basket was probably reduced. Even with that said, still partially due to MJ locking him down
Bron az was on some weak sauce for that MOVE. Yet his cheap az played the very next game like a lame
Those stats are crazy
Vince should have KNOWN better 😂
Vince wasn’t a rising star back then he was a star he was the human highlight reel
Cool content. Love the Jordan Vince story. I think any game a star takes off media will say you’re ducking someone with all the talent in the league. I miss the tempo of the mid 90s to mid 2000s, some games today feel like an all star game but games change with time. Oh well.
Bron is shook of competition
MJ gave him goose eggs in the second half 😂
Lebum is scared of his own shadow 🤣😂🤣
Carter will always be the best Raptor (big Raptors fan here)..but even at 38yrs old, Carter didn't have anything for Jordon
In the play at 1:40, LBJ on the break dribbles, passes the ball from one hand to the other while running, then dribbles again, before dunking.
Today's NBA has a lot of skill... HOWEVER... BACK THEN:
1) How often did you see traveling like you see it today? It is not even close and that alone makes it near impossible to guard someone
2) Obviously you can barely touch anyone today defensively without getting a 'touch foul
3) 3 point play is a massive differentiator today - no doubt. I will give that to today's play. They could have launched 3s back in those days to, but they didn't. That is a huge difference and opens everything else up...
I always say, as much as Jordan dominated in his price until his second retirement, and realistically should have got MVP every year, the most impressive thing was what he did after being gone for 3 years and playing most of those 2 years with nagging injuries. His numbers were super impressive given all those things in those times. In that sport, to come back after being gone for 3 years, to have the numbers he has was super impressive. They are very close to Kobe's lifetime averages!
Longevity isnt part of the goat debate, by that metric u can put Karl Malone on top lol
it is part of it.
It is apart of the goat debate😂😂
It's part of the GOAT debate but it's not just about it, being the GOAT is about entirety not just Longevity stats.
Being the goat is about everything - being the best player on both ends of the court (both offensively and defensively) while winning championships.
@@abner0584 I guess that takes MJ out of it consideration since Pippen was the best perimeter defender in the league.
Lebron is a massive fraud he is not a top 10 player all time imo. I would take guys like Kobe and TIm Duncan over him.
Love how LeBums first lowlight u showed he had a very obvious palming violation
It’s become increasingly difficult to play defense when the floor is so spread out. 3pt shooting skill increases is a net positive for offenses but some of the skills in the in between game and on the block have been lost a bit. That’s why jokic is so good because he is in many ways a throwback player but also a product of his time
Can’t emphasize the lack of defense in today’s era enough
Also big men could sit in the paint no defensive 3… if Bigs could sit in the middle a lot of ppl scoring would be down drastically
Tmac and kobe use to go at it as did iverson and kobe or vince and kobe!!I remember tmac dropping the great mamba and mamba next play dunking it on the whole florida!!
We don't get rivalries like that anymore. Maybe Durant and Westbrook? 😂 But that's personal.
I never had the impression Vince was cocky lol. And I didn’t think what Carter said was that bad. He didn’t really call out Jordan like antman called out Bron. But I could see jordan being pissed when he found out anyway lol.
Mike made it a point to come after you
That's one thing that always keep Lebron out my top 5. His competitive drive. He always wants to be buddy buddy with everyone.
Need that killer instinct
@lilJMoore, that is exactly why LeBron is in my top 10, but not my all time 5. He lacks that killer instinct that MJ, Kobe, Magic, Bird, kareem all have, they demanded the ball when there was 2 seconds and 2 points needed.....
You guys are generous to have time top 10 but I guess to each his own
I stay outta the discussion of who was better, except MJ was an excellent defensive player 😊
Well when Scottie is guarding the number one guy…….
Per 100 is a cool one… Puts it into context for these young ones to understand…. Prime
MJ would have 100 per 100 possessions in this easy-to-score era! 😆
LeBron not GOAT he ducks the dunk contest. Jordan never do that
we need to stop this Jordan vs LeFraud arguement. It should be "tell me why he is better than Kobe, Duncan, Magic, Bird"
Today game is waterd down.. like liquor from a bad bar
Ant man is afraid of one thing we learned recently, child support.
Remember when A rookie Tatum dunked on LeBron and let him know about it ?
What did LeBron do about that ?
Nothing.
Give me 1 rookie that did that to MJ and MJ didn't destroy him every time they played each other that season
And by the way he would have made that play in tournament each time as a Wizard. Without any AD or Russ by his side.
Look... LeBron is hanging on because of one real record - Jerry West's finals points. Not necessarily finals victories, but finals total points. It's not about the wins. I admire chasing greatness, but he's always the one chasing lol which means someone else is ahead of him. Jordan was in this battle with himself to win & accepted he wouldn't be able to play against legends of the past. So he let his body of work speak and let the chips fall, but #1 was ALWAYS to win, but believe it or not, Jordan actually valued the fans. He would say he owed it to the fans that paid to see the games to give them his best - that was his job. It's a different mentality today. These guys don't really care about the fans. They just care about Instagram girls and stuff.
Prime Michael Jordan would DECIMATE edwards both in offense and defense. Taller, faster, quicker, almost twice the vertical, far better stealer. Kids these days dont know what they are talking about...
MJ never saw a player like Ant in the 90's lmao
@@phillyphan1346 Prime MJ could tackle ANY guard. AE is nothing special.
Look at that extra factual title.
AE just became my new favorite player
there can only be one G.O.A.T. #23
That more Talent BS is so easy to debunk, how can you not showcase your talents when defense doesn't exist
Here is a few players MJ actually guarded, Penny, A.I. Kobe, Dominiqe, Drexler. Pretty dope players. Here are the only player's Bron has guarded, Rondo and Rose that is it lol
A 38 year old Jordan would be averaging at least 30 ppg in todays NBA easily along with 3-4 steals 6 bounds and 6 assists easy
if Michael Jordan was a language learner, he would learn Chinese instead of picking something like Spanish
All the dialects too, I think I can think of three majors ones than there's minors ones too.
Don’t forget all the TRAVELING they do it’s RIDICULOUS..taking 6 and 7 steps to the goal..WOW
I hope Joker, Wemby, Doncic, Edwards, Xplayer, have great careers just to push LeBum out of top ten.
It’s what ESPN does they are on lebron pay roll
We're giving this sh*t too much energy, all basketball enthusiasts know what's up. LeBron "I need to recruit allstars" James to win championships isn't even on Allen Iverson level, and he didn't even win 1.
You should do a video about how many points and rings he would have if the refs made the right calls instead of rigging series like vs Golden State as a ref already admitted and all the carries travels charges double dribbles he has gotten away with allowing him to get more stats and wins when he should have MANY more turnovers resulting in MANY more points and wins for the opposing teams. His entire carear is a sham!
You talking about Lebron right?
Bruh…. Use PERIODS. Your whole comment is nearly incomprehensible.
@@HypocritesExposd 😂
Spot on
Edwards is a bench player in the 90s people dont realize how much more superior 90s basketball was to todays garbage
the current players are highly skilled?
@ricardolozano5356 they might be more skilled today as guards but they are severly lacking in basketball iq, defensive awareness, off ball movement, passing and team basketball. Todays game is purely 1v1 with minimal defense and no inside presence at all.
@@thelastflop no handchecking
Jordans defense at 40 is amazing... Almost all caregories was owned by the undisputed GOAT in his entire carrer as a nba player
One word - hand-checking
Jordan is the best 38 year old in NBA history.
😂He couldn't hit the side of the barn with that trash fg%.😂
Great video!
There's more offensive talent in the league right now than there ever has been. Yes the rules have changed and the pace is higher but if you're only looking at that then you're not paying attention.
The rule changes specifically make it easier to be an offensive sided game. This was all by design and even Silver said so. It’s not a secret.
@hypocritetrollbot7729 the hand check rule changed in 04. Offense was in a bit of a dead zone then excluding the premier talent. 3 point percentages are slightly higher than they used to be even with a way higher volume (also almost everyone on the court can shoot now or they are considered a liability)... free throw percentages are higher too. Can't blame that on bad defense.
@davidtigelman4653 what about all the travelling and dribbling violations these days it surely makes it easier to score with extra steps and carrying the ball
@@ogmusik2549I agree with that to an extent. They didn't really change much, the offiating just misses a lot. AI did the same moves throughout his career and ppl thought he was a wizard. Now so many players can pull off those same moves.
My point is, new players have all the tools and resources (training and video footage) to build off of the old techniques of the greats before them. That has allowed the game to evolve into what it is now. Is it easier to score, yes. Is there way more skill, also yes. You may not like the game or the players as much as you once did but that doesn't mean that their isn't a complete saturation of talent.
@@davidtigelman4653you are very ignorant
Nice to have confidence but you got to bring it as well. Edwards has failed to bring "ANY" medals to the US in this years FIBA.
Why can't we all just respect both player's greatness and legacies? It doesn't matter who you think is better, at the end of the day, these are 2 of the greatest, if not the 2 greatest, basketball players in history. Just got to cherish them both 🙏💯
Nah Lebron trash
@reeseangle9621 OK 👍. A 4x MVP, 4x Finals MVP, 19x All-NBA, 19x All-Star, 13x All-NBA 1st Team, 3x All-Star MVP, etc is trash. Let's not leave out that he is the all-time leading scorer in both the Regular Season and Playoffs in NBA history. Or how he's 4th all-time in AST. 30K PTS, 10K AST, and 10K TRB. But yeah, he's definitely "trash."
That can never happen. Bron fans will not accept that. They will always make a case for Lebron to be the goat. Make false narrative and lame excuses for their arguments that causes hate.
If somebody says MJ is the goat and Lebron is top5 they will call that somebody a hater.
@abner0584 If you think MJ is the GOAT, I'm cool with that. I personally have LeBron as my GOAT and MJ 2nd, which isn't disrespectful. It's just my opinion. If you have LeBron in your top 5, I'm also cool with that. It's just people's opinions at the end of the day and how they rank players.
@@BBallGOAT With that I concur.👍
Remember Jordan having a bad game was 25 pts
@ScaryHoursInsideLA that was against actual defence 😳
@ScaryHoursInsideLA I know Lebron could play in that era. I know Jordan is the prescipous of NBA icons. Lebron is a goat. However it's just that Jordan is the Goatest to ever play. The AIR, the litmus test and the highest standard set 🥱.
@ScaryHoursInsideLA So you think the defenders are better now? Ummm of course they 'have' to guard thoes two different. You clearly don't watch the defence of the past compared to today.. so why would you know? They changed the rules of the game 🤔 or you don't inform yourself about that aspect?
@ScaryHoursInsideLA 😑😐🤨🤭😄😁😆🤣😂😳
@ScaryHoursInsideLA LGBTQ+ (Le Goat Bron Teather Queens )Yall out here looking like an emoji 👉🏻🤪
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Someone really have this Lefraud at 1:38 as a highlight? Noone sees a double dribble??
No sorry. We can not compare players as what they are playing today is different sport.
I don't know what it is, but it is not basketball
If you call that a double dribble, you don’t know basketball at all. The very first dribble at 1:40 was a live ball. Lebron did not dribble it. You also probably think gather + 2 steps is a travel.
Omg, another zombie.
You things are everywhere. Wake up please
@@Lomno12 Please stick to golf and scripted wrestling. Basketball is too advanced for you. Objectively not a double dribble on any level of the sport and hasn’t been for at least 50 years.
@@gggyy7104lol 100% a double dribble you have no clue about the rules or the game
@@joshchambers5163 Objectively incorrect. This move is legal in every single ruleset across the world
"LeBron James is the ATLS. 💯 "
1:37 that has to be some kind of dribbling violation, isn't it?
Now that lebrons career is closing all the goat arguments sound more hollow than ever.
Lebron got these folks mad
@@terryclothe6707lay off the acid
Funny part is VC got hurt in the 2nd going into the third but he totally glossed over that 🤦🏾♂️
Hahahahahahahahahaha...he's not guarding me and I'm not guarding him. I guess Vince hadn't really heard about Jordan.
You mess with the GOAT (MJ) you get the horns… unlike the pretend GOAT (LeBron)
The NBA should reset the offensive record books.
With all the rule changes and Outlawing of defense, it's basically a different sport.
Been saying this for the last 10-15yrs it just keeps getting g worse
@@joshchambers5163 but I can understand why they don't do it. It's WWE they have to tell the casuals that the players now are the best ever.
Ahh, the wonders of context
Seems like Every loss he got a excuse
LeBron is kot even in my top 10
dillion brooks? ja? curry? jayson tatum? when has lebron ever done that?
LeBron is a freak and a physical specimen and hands down NO ONE has came into the league with more pressure and scrutiny on his career. That being said he's not the GOAT in my opinion. You can argue the stats all day, but what makes MJ the GOAT has little to do with stats. It's the way he played the game. He dominated both ends of the floor most of his career. Not only didn't he take games off, he didn't take possessions off. The scary thing is he seemed to take it personal and take his game to a borderline insane level when offended or someone talked trash and to think if he did that every game just imagine what he could have achieved. MJ hasn't played an NBA game in 20 years and his shoe sales are still #1. There's really only 1 question to settle the debate... if you were to pick any player to play 1 on 1 for YOUR LIFE... who you taking?
Almost anyone but lebron