@@JosePineda-cy6om Stability Assist System in Kerbal Space Program. It's nutorious for firing up once the spacecraft docks to another vehicle, often ending in catastrofic consequencies
I first read in the German newspaper "Der Spiegel" that the space station was pushed 45° out of its orbit, which sounded like a change in change in inclination, but I have played enough KSP to know this would be impossible and checked the sources, realizing the German author most likely didn't know what "attitude" means.
When I read about it, the journalist translated "attitude" to "altitude" ... Never even questioned why his source had a change of altitude in degrees ... It's one thing as a journalist reporting on space stuff to have not even a basic idea of the scientific side of things (aka how on earth do you pretend reporting on scientific stuff if you don't even have a clue how units work ?!?) .... But you'd at the very least expect a journalist to have a basic mastery of language, or to be able to use a dictionary ...
Scotts interest is contagious. He seems to have a knack for making complicated things seem simple and that takes the fear of not understanding out of the equation. It took me a long time to figure out that most people have a fear of not understanding, which makes it harder to understand at all, so people avoid these subjects and it never gets better.
If only people didn't have a fear of actually understanding vaccines... edit for clarity: Im not some kind of anti-vax conspiracy theorist. I am in support of vaccines.
He is quite the effective teacher. Beyond Omega Level, IMHO. So much knowledge, and still finds time for Kerbal? Legend. I'm totally jealous of his kids... Who probably rarely ask him anything lol. But me? Millions of questions drowning a hyper-brain too curious to ever keep up with. Any question was an annoyance, the answers given biased and just laughable. The person I would have become under this kind of influence, and patience when simplifying the MOST complex is... Too divergent and sad to even dwell on. Scott is a rarity though, and damn did they win the lottery.
Come one week ignorantly for entertainment, watch a few 10 minute videos, leave that week feeling like a rocketry expert that could have worked for NASA. That, friends, is a POWERFUL skill set, covering as much ground as the ridiculous statement I made above, then hopping its own rocket off that ground to search for *actual* intelligent life elsewhere. To go full fanboy here, the world needs as many more like him as we can produce. Not more Einsteins, but more that can let people know that they CAN grasp what the Einsteins are laying down. Empowering their pupils... What a world that could be.
@@TomStorey96 funny thing that... Most of the people I know aren't afraid of vaccines, they're afraid of a genetic therapy that's being passed off as a vaccine.
I have an image in my mind of the grappling arm walking around the outside of SSI, attaching then detaching, attaching-detaching like some sort of space worm.
Yeah that's exactly how it works. They can move it to pretty much anywhere on the station. That's how they built much of it to begin with. Canadarm is a really neat piece of tech that has been absolutely crucial!
Ah, memories from KSP, where you set a fixed orientation of the new module while docking to a space station, then it docks, becomes a part of the station and suddenly the orientation is different, as it's counted from the station's root part, not from the docking port, and the station fires all its numerous RCS modules to turn.
@@OnionChoppingNinja SAS is extremely helpful as it maintains your attitude while you can focus on translation. And if you are docking something big, with wimpy reaction wheel (typical for a station module, especially if the module has zero control authority and you use the transfer stage to perform the maneuvering ) RCS becomes a must. Sure you totally should disable it all the moment the magnet engages, but you have your plate full at that moment and it's easy to forget.
I’ve known about Nauka for like a decade now and it FINALLY is in space. Honestly when you grow up with an interest in space you better have good patience.
Damn you got that right haha, when i was a kid i hoped to live to see humans go back to the moon and now some 20+ years later my patience might be rewarded soon. Yay.
Was waiting to hear this since I was messaged about the drama unfolding in space earlier. Maybe not as dramatic as the tearing apart of iss from rcs firing to depletion, but still.... Crazy time.
Drama is a bit of stretch given how the only people who saw this as an "issue" at all were nasa and the western tabloids. The Russians simply said that the error was within reason and that they wont discuss anything with nasa or anyone else regarding it.
Not to worry. The AI on board the Nauka science module was just trying to test the phenomenon known as Kraken Attacks. It was all in the name of science, you see.
I was heavily implying the first time. Yes, everything gets easier after you do it a few times. Learning where you should actually put docking ports helps.
A decades old erratic acting russian module and Boeing's troubled spacecraft docked to the station at the same time... I'd be nervous as an ISS crew member :D
@@AsbestosMuffins : Which is a great excuse to use if you're trying to avoid taking responsibility, but a horrible statement when you're supposed to be focusing on engineering & safety.
FYI, the only old thing on that module is the outer shell. Everything else was refitted and refilled several times over -- which is why it took them so long to complete it.
ISS commander Akihiko Hoshide: "Nauka, shut off your thrusters." Nauka: "I'm sorry Dave, I can't do that." Hoshide: "Who the *&#^% is 'DAVE'?" Every American onboard the ISS: "Uh oh!"
Happens to me in KSP all the time when I forget to turn off the engines after docking, they should physics warp to stop the wobble, them resume 1x time.
I don't think it's ugly. It is canonically Soviet in its aesthetics. The Soviet design is not particularly subtle or delicate -- quite the opposite of that. Since I grew up in the USSR and then Russia and lived there for many years, I used to truly hate it. But after I'd got out and spent some years elsewhere I began to see some charm in these aesthetics. It is not that bad when it is not the only style you see all the time but merely one of the many. I'm surprised that Scott dislikes it.
In nearly every classical Russian fairytale the hero comes to the Baba Yaga's hut. In order to enter it, he says the ritual formula "The Hut, the Hut, turn your front to me, your back to the forest". That's the origin of the tradition to rotate the space station for docking.
20 years building this thing and the software is still screwed up!! Someday software glitches in too many computer systems in space are going to kill someone. I believe they were a LOT closer to losing the entire station than they will ever admit to.
I'm pretty sure most of those 20 years project was frozen due to lack of funds. And almost nobody who started working on it was there when it finished, what can be the reason for troubles.
NASA Flight Director Zebulon Scoville: "Was force fight between MLM and ISS SM thrusters. Based upon moment arm, the ISS brought a knife to a gun fight. Reports of ISS only being 45 degrees out were premature. That was first call from ADCO. We proceeded to do headstands and cartwheels. Olympic judges would be proud."
He also cited that while this was an emergency, the astronauts weren't in any major danger. They also had Crew Dragon ready to go so they had a way to get off should things have gone south.
@@Real28 "It's okay we're not in danger" the crew cheer as they flee a station violently spinning out of control... I'm sure the passengers of the Titanic felt great as they boarded the lifeboats too
@asdrubale bisanzio Yea i know about the gremlins, i was just making a pun. The Kremlin is the place where the Russian president lives so its the center of the russian government.
it can reach any point that has a powered "grapple fixture", the connecting points that are distributed on the outside of the space station. If I remember correctly, most of the attachment points are on the US/EU side of the ISS. Thats why ESA brought up the ERA robotic arm for the russian segment. It uses similar but incompatible attachment points on the russian modules.
Special emphasis on "Fly Safe" this time. It does seem like a serious source of risk in space flight or space operations is software. Astonishing that Nauka maintained independent control and autonomously began firing thrusters. This indicates that it did not enter a state which is defined as "docked to station" which would then hand over control of thruster firing to the station. Somewhat reminiscent of Starliners issues with thrusters firing when it thought it was in a different state.
Yeah and he said it was firing for 90 seconds, which tells me they had no easy way of commanding it to stop. Kinda scary they could lose control for that long (and if it really did fire until empty who knows how long it actually took to gain control). Software problems are one thing, but not having a manual failsafe for situations like this is just insane. I hope Roscosmos explains this in their report and don't just try to cover their asses.
@@MrMattumbo Honestly, my guess is that we're looking at a pressure switch not closing when they got hard dock, resulting in Nauka believing that it failed to dock and needed to back off and try again and/or back off and abort. I could totally see that happening thanks to a loose ball of solder in the switch (remember Apollo 14's abort switch?)...
Seeing that horizon rotation, while waiting for status... display flashing, tones beeping. On station must have been some wide eye expressions for sure! Some interesting stories when they get back :) Awesome update Dr. Scott !
I read one source that stated it went unnoticed until they saw change of the horizon and some exhaust particles flying away. The engines/acceleration was weaker than during a normal ISS reboost with Progress.
@@Square-0ne They must've been holding on then, if they were floating during that a half degree/s rotation would mean the walls would be moving toward/away from them pretty quickly.
I was watching the docking live, and even I thought the hard capture was going a bit rough. You can actually see the solar panel on Nauka wobble up and down. And then the fun started. Fun fact, when they're converting Nauka from its initial configuration to be use on ISS, some of the worker thought they're doing dismantling instead of retrofitting. So they're not as careful about sawing off bits of pipe as they would be. A couple of years after that, they found out the hard way that there's saw dust inside the propulsion pipes that would react badly with hypergolic fuels and basically have to redo all of that pipes, adding a couple of more years to the delay.
The solar panels are spanning 15-20 meters, why wouldn't they wobble when the whole thing has rammed the docking port even at the low speed of around 8 centimeters per second? People don't realize the size of the module, the biggest one to be added in the last 15-20 years or so.
@@lake258 Yeah, there's always some wibbly wobblies. If everything was completely rigid, the forces would be worse, and they'd have to be built stronger. Instead, by allowing some wibbly wobblying, things are allowed to dampen more softly. It's very much intentional design in that sense!
I have family in Russia who tell me Roscosmos suffers from 1. national brain drain 2. Government neglect/ineptitude and 3. Terrible government salaries It’s a shame, the organization has contributed so much to space exploration, really hoping they can get things back on track
@@altergreenhorn The narrative about 90s being horribly bad is Putin's propaganda. 90s were bad but not nearly as bad. There were more hospitals and schools back then than there are now and you wouldn't get arrested for protesting against govt corruption. 90s poverty was a lasting effect of 80s Reagan's sanctions and 80s low oil prices and 80s afghan war and 80s Chernobyl (though Chernobyl problems were dumped by Russia on Belarus and Ukraine)
@Greenhorn My understanding is that the 90s were chaotic for most Russians but Roscosmos still maintained a lot of the talent from the Soviet era. The US even helped fund development from Roscosmos as a way to keep Russian rocket scientists busy and employed so they wouldn’t get desperate and develop weapons for foreign enemies after the USSR collapsed. Slowly over the last 30 years things have deteriorated, funding is cut (embezzled) and younger Russians with STEM skills leave for countries that pay better and provide better career opportunities.
I flew all the way to Florida from New York to see the starliner launch, when mid flight on the way here the launch is scrubbed, I think “ok, this is fine, I can still go to the cape, I got flexible tickets I’ll see it launch” then the car rental place keeps me and my dad in the airport until 1 am, the hotel we have to go to is 2 hours away, just 25 minutes from cape canaveral, I went to sleep at 3 in the morning yesterday and am stuck here until Wednesday to see the launch, which was rescheduled to Tuesday. All because of the nauka module thruster malfunctioning. Thanks a lot nauka.
@Greg Goog Nauka was supposed to be launched in 2007. That's also the year JWST was originally supposed to be launched, so maybe it's 2007 that's cursed
@8:03 Let's take a moment to acknowledge, because it's a bit more awesome than some of us tend to realize: the fact that ISS is able to do maneuvers like this shows how it really is a "spaceship" in its own right.
Thanks for the most comprehensive video on this incident I've seen. Lots of people just taking the easy route but you've clearly put some effort into getting information.
@@twistedgamer6 It was also a software problem. Later NASA found out there were additional failures during the 1st Starliner flight. There is a offical report about this.
Yeah because that module was clearly trying to call a meeting. Maybe rather than talking about technical problems, what Scott should really be thinking about is who’s getting voted off the ship. Or is he too sus to talk about it? 🤔 Don’t even know what problems he’s talking about anyway, he didn’t even mention doing wires or electrical or card scanning once
The first unbias report about the Nauka launch. Thanks Scott! In Europe and particularly in Russia the story is highly politicized now so it's difficult to understand from the other news reports what exactly happened.
Speculations of issues due to "Ruptured Fuel Bladders"? Will we need Space Diapers? Well, that Depends. Thank you! Thank you! I'll show myself out the door. :)
Slowly says the purple clown behind you, "ho.....ho...ho. heh......heh.........heh. ou.....eh...ha............ha..... and I thought MY jokes were bad......... how 'bout a magic trick?...." :)
Glad to hear everyone is safe. Not related to this video, but I think the topic of staging/decoupling in rockets would be a really interesting topic to cover. Maybe in the style of the “Kerbal Space Program Doesn’t Teach” videos?
Gemini had a thrust issue on the agena rendezvous and docking experiment. The crew thought it was the agena that was tumbling the spacecraft through its orbit but when they decided to release hard dock the gemini capsule tumbled out of control. Neil was able to manually get the craft out of the tumble and stabilize it before he blacked out. The ISS emergency could have been a lot worse.
Very well spoken sir. Keep doing what your doing. The information u provide is so intricate and u have an excellent way of describing these complex systems, in a complex universe, in an amazingly concise way.
@@scottmanley it was ironic tho that they they failed to track it with the iPhone properly and the camera filming the iPhone was too low to see the rocket too 😁
Aliens be like: Oh FUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCK, ITS THE CHEEKI BOIS AGAIN, ABORT INTERCEPT ABORT INTERCEPT!!! WE HAD THE WRONG TARGET!!! Ultra bright Safety lights for stealth: On. Burrito-powered-Laminar-flow-Hyperdrive: Activated
Interesting… the Russians were 100% against the docking of the first crew dragon because it was a new untrained system which will jeopardize the ISS. Then they dock their new module and create the exact scenario they were concerned dragon was going to create. What is going to happen when Starliner tries to dock… scary.
Yeah, ironically during the docking maneuver dragon was the only life boat ready. I understand though that dragon is now fitted for 4, although originally its planned capacity was 7 (the current complement of crew on the ISS).
fortunately the spin was not similar as the Gemini and Neil Armstrong's historic spin. probably scary enough for them who knows the space stuff and specialists.
Thanks for putting me out of misery. I watched it all, heard them swapping to manual catch. Saw something on Twitter but not enough info by far. Cheers. Glad it's all ok
Pictured: the Russians learn to disable SAS after docking
And they did it way before any other nation on the planet.
It was so long ago, they must forgot it.
SAS? What's that?
@@JosePineda-cy6om Stability Assist System in Kerbal Space Program. It's nutorious for firing up once the spacecraft docks to another vehicle, often ending in catastrofic consequencies
this is more equivalent to a veteran player returning to the game for the final update relearning basics
That took me exactly 5 seconds to learn in KSP.
I first read in the German newspaper "Der Spiegel" that the space station was pushed 45° out of its orbit, which sounded like a change in change in inclination, but I have played enough KSP to know this would be impossible and checked the sources, realizing the German author most likely didn't know what "attitude" means.
yeah, journal-fuck-ism is same everywhere
@@jahe9901 yeah, inclination changes require a ton of deltaV.
When I read about it, the journalist translated "attitude" to "altitude" ... Never even questioned why his source had a change of altitude in degrees ...
It's one thing as a journalist reporting on space stuff to have not even a basic idea of the scientific side of things (aka how on earth do you pretend reporting on scientific stuff if you don't even have a clue how units work ?!?) .... But you'd at the very least expect a journalist to have a basic mastery of language, or to be able to use a dictionary ...
@@jahe9901 It would require nearly 5.2 km/s of deltaV, which needless to say is utterly impossible to achieve with a space station.
Pretty typical inaccurate reporting regarding almost anything scientific or engineering. Happens all the time everywhere.
Scotts interest is contagious. He seems to have a knack for making complicated things seem simple and that takes the fear of not understanding out of the equation. It took me a long time to figure out that most people have a fear of not understanding, which makes it harder to understand at all, so people avoid these subjects and it never gets better.
If only people didn't have a fear of actually understanding vaccines...
edit for clarity: Im not some kind of anti-vax conspiracy theorist. I am in support of vaccines.
You're one hundred percent right.
He is quite the effective teacher. Beyond Omega Level, IMHO. So much knowledge, and still finds time for Kerbal? Legend. I'm totally jealous of his kids... Who probably rarely ask him anything lol. But me? Millions of questions drowning a hyper-brain too curious to ever keep up with. Any question was an annoyance, the answers given biased and just laughable. The person I would have become under this kind of influence, and patience when simplifying the MOST complex is... Too divergent and sad to even dwell on. Scott is a rarity though, and damn did they win the lottery.
Come one week ignorantly for entertainment, watch a few 10 minute videos, leave that week feeling like a rocketry expert that could have worked for NASA. That, friends, is a POWERFUL skill set, covering as much ground as the ridiculous statement I made above, then hopping its own rocket off that ground to search for *actual* intelligent life elsewhere. To go full fanboy here, the world needs as many more like him as we can produce. Not more Einsteins, but more that can let people know that they CAN grasp what the Einsteins are laying down. Empowering their pupils... What a world that could be.
@@TomStorey96 funny thing that... Most of the people I know aren't afraid of vaccines, they're afraid of a genetic therapy that's being passed off as a vaccine.
Scott, I keep telling you that the Proton rocket is an elegant rocket from a more uncivilized time!
Those “uncivilized” times is the most civilized war we ever had, with lots of achievements we are benefitting from:D
A rocket created during a lost, ancient, and advanced Soviet civilization.
Russians might have to revert their quick save
🤣
F9 F9 F9 F9...Damn it Vasily it did not work
@@terrydavis8451 You have to hold F9 down Aleksy! It's not F5!
They should revert to assembly and delay it again.
@@terrydavis8451 hmm? =)
I have an image in my mind of the grappling arm walking around the outside of SSI, attaching then detaching, attaching-detaching like some sort of space worm.
Yeah that's exactly how it works. They can move it to pretty much anywhere on the station. That's how they built much of it to begin with. Canadarm is a really neat piece of tech that has been absolutely crucial!
@@Niosus ,
Canadian detected!
Appreciate you guys 🇺🇸 ❤️ 🇨🇦 :)
It's giant mechanical space leach!!! Oh the horror of it!
@@busybillyb33 haha yas
@D R google it
Ah, memories from KSP, where you set a fixed orientation of the new module while docking to a space station, then it docks, becomes a part of the station and suddenly the orientation is different, as it's counted from the station's root part, not from the docking port, and the station fires all its numerous RCS modules to turn.
that's why you disable rcs and SAS prior to docking.
They should accelerate time to stop the wobble them resume 1x time.
@@OnionChoppingNinja SAS is extremely helpful as it maintains your attitude while you can focus on translation. And if you are docking something big, with wimpy reaction wheel (typical for a station module, especially if the module has zero control authority and you use the transfer stage to perform the maneuvering ) RCS becomes a must. Sure you totally should disable it all the moment the magnet engages, but you have your plate full at that moment and it's easy to forget.
@@sharpfang IRL Progress RCS is on until soft dock… crewed modules take longer to sling and shut it off sooner as they drift the final 25 meters
@@sharpfang just like sfs
I’ve known about Nauka for like a decade now and it FINALLY is in space.
Honestly when you grow up with an interest in space you better have good patience.
except if its spacex they really get hardware done
Damn you got that right haha, when i was a kid i hoped to live to see humans go back to the moon and now some 20+ years later my patience might be rewarded soon. Yay.
Agreed. Looking at you, James Webb Space Telescope >.>
James Webb, amirite?
@@kyle_mk17 AMIRITE? You are so correct that if correctness could be measured by light, you’d be brighter than a theoretical white hole!
News: "ISS tumbling out of controll"
Me, an experienced KSP player without thinking: "Must have been the kraken"
He when said resonating frequencies can make the station wobble. I immediately thought of floppy rockets and and stations in KSP.
@@davidteer80 Never autostrut to "heaviest part". You'll burn some fuel, and suddenly it's not the heaviest part any more. Violent oscillation ensues.
@@davidteer80 same lol
Somebody on the station, taunted the magic boulder....
@@davidteer80 could be solved easily, just turn on timewarp for a sec to stop ISS' wobbling
Was waiting to hear this since I was messaged about the drama unfolding in space earlier. Maybe not as dramatic as the tearing apart of iss from rcs firing to depletion, but still.... Crazy time.
why crazy? 60 y.o. tech working at its finest, unilke ur peanuts
@@cokeforever: It clearly wasn't working at its finest if it couldn't tell it was docked and it should shut off its thrusters.
Drama is a bit of stretch given how the only people who saw this as an "issue" at all were nasa and the western tabloids. The Russians simply said that the error was within reason and that they wont discuss anything with nasa or anyone else regarding it.
@@tsarcube9284 Now *that* actually is drama.
Well hello laundry Matt man lol
"The earth is a bit fat around the middle." Aren't we all...
..fat earthers?
Thicc Earthers
I think earth prefers the term "husky" around the middle
kids in Africa disagree
Speak for yourself mate, 53 and slim here 💪🏼😀👍🏼
Excellent info as always, Scott. Thank you!
Not to worry. The AI on board the Nauka science module was just trying to test the phenomenon known as Kraken Attacks. It was all in the name of science, you see.
How else would you defend from the space squids.
"In the name of science".... Nauka means science in Russian, coincidence?
Well, after the great Scott Manley: Check your Staging!
For science, you monster.
Kraken attack was literally my first thought when Scott mentioned engine pulses causing resonance. :)
_Pirs_ was ejected.
...
_Pirs_ was not the impostor.
1 impostor remains.
Poisk sus.
I wouldn't have understood the "SUS" thumbnail without you. Thank you!
Amogus
@@frabjouspolygon2695 Or Among Us, even.
bruh
In H.A.L.'s voice, "There is no need for concern, I have the situation under control".
"I've just picked up a fault in the AE35 unit. It's going to go 100% failure in 72 hours".
It would read differently.
In H.A.L. 9000 voice, "Dave, There is no need for concern Dave...
Dave, I have the situation under control Dave..."
I can’t do that Dave
KSP, KSP, give m e y o u r s o l u t i o n d o o o, I ' m m h a l f c r a z y , o h f o r t h e l o v e o f booooooooooooooooooom💥💥!
@@andrewtaylor940 open the pod bay doors HAL
Nauka module: "I'm the captain now"
"let's all go back to Russia"
"All your station are belongs to me"
Hal's computing comrade.
More precisely: “I am de captain now!”
This is the most beautiful comment
People who have never played KSP and manually docked something don't realize just how hard it is.
easy*
Not really, after you did it a few hundred times. Hard is multi-point docking with a weird shaped and overweight module.
True homever as the others pointed out once you've done it some times is just a looooooong process but not that difficult
I was heavily implying the first time. Yes, everything gets easier after you do it a few times. Learning where you should actually put docking ports helps.
KSP isn't the only thing that has that.
A decades old erratic acting russian module and Boeing's troubled spacecraft docked to the station at the same time... I'd be nervous as an ISS crew member :D
boeing's issues wouldn't necessarily have been an issue if there was a crew, at least one of them
@@AsbestosMuffins : Which is a great excuse to use if you're trying to avoid taking responsibility, but a horrible statement when you're supposed to be focusing on engineering & safety.
FYI, the only old thing on that module is the outer shell. Everything else was refitted and refilled several times over -- which is why it took them so long to complete it.
"This Little Maneuver's Gonna Cost Us 51 Years"
Dr. Mann pisses me off!
51yrs is exactly how outdated rcsms equipment is.
See you on the other side, Slick!
ISS commander Akihiko Hoshide: "Nauka, shut off your thrusters."
Nauka: "I'm sorry Dave, I can't do that."
Hoshide: "Who the *&#^% is 'DAVE'?"
Every American onboard the ISS: "Uh oh!"
Dave’s not here.
@asdrubale bisanzio Space thunderdome sounds like a lot of fun, where can I sign up?
Happens to me in KSP all the time when I forget to turn off the engines after docking, they should physics warp to stop the wobble, them resume 1x time.
easy fix
Yess!
He doesn't even Persistent rotation or Principia... ngmi.
LOL
The resonance wobble literally happens to me pretty often in KSP. Really hard to balance and fix my bad design space stations.
"The Earth is a little fat around the middle." You're beautiful Earth, don't listen to him.
No, those oceans don't make you look fat.
@@MonkeyJedi99 And those mountains are so perky!
Yay earth you won the award for most colourful planet
He said the earth was fat, not that the earth was ugly!
earth is thicc
“Yes, Proton is ugly”
Me, genuinely liking it: imma pretend that didn’t hurt :,)
I love the compact design
I agree, think it's a great looking rocket.
Proton may be ugly, but it's oh so Kerbal.
I don't think it's ugly. It is canonically Soviet in its aesthetics. The Soviet design is not particularly subtle or delicate -- quite the opposite of that. Since I grew up in the USSR and then Russia and lived there for many years, I used to truly hate it. But after I'd got out and spent some years elsewhere I began to see some charm in these aesthetics. It is not that bad when it is not the only style you see all the time but merely one of the many. I'm surprised that Scott dislikes it.
It looks completely normal, until you realize that those aren't boosters.
Why did NASA schedule a Starliner test docking with the ISS so close to the docking of the Nauka module? Somebody ain't thinking too bright.
"Russian ground control to ISS, you have to change your attitude."
"Change our attitude?! Hey! We're doing the best we can #@$&!!"
Someone's got an attitude problem?
Followed by Russian ground control shouting “Suka blyat!” again and again…
In nearly every classical Russian fairytale the hero comes to the Baba Yaga's hut. In order to enter it, he says the ritual formula "The Hut, the Hut, turn your front to me, your back to the forest". That's the origin of the tradition to rotate the space station for docking.
Kek
When I first heard the news of this, I immediately looked to see if there was a Scott Manley video analysing the situation.
This is me too. See what Scott has to say about it?
Thank you for your in-depth and sober reporting of important events such as this one. I can always count on you!
"The Earth is a bit fat around the middle". It's okay Earth, so am I. So am I.
Why, the earth is taller laying down than it is standing up.
@TASC Aerospace among us
@@thetruckmaster626 sus
@@lostpony4885 brain pls stop I don't wanna sea that
20 years building this thing and the software is still screwed up!! Someday software glitches in too many computer systems in space are going to kill someone. I believe they were a LOT closer to losing the entire station than they will ever admit to.
I'm sorry, Dave. I can't do that.
I'm pretty sure most of those 20 years project was frozen due to lack of funds. And almost nobody who started working on it was there when it finished, what can be the reason for troubles.
This all sounds very... Kerbal. Why test on the ground when you can test in orbit?
Roscosmos is worse funded than nasa, and like most of russia's government, corrupt.
More approved for ground targets really.
@@casacara teu cu
@dimitrious didimitrious beep boop you are (cycles through options) incorrect
Americans: accidental thruster fire
Russians: Engage the thrusters
Europeans: we don't understand, what happen...
NASA Flight Director Zebulon Scoville: "Was force fight between MLM and ISS SM thrusters. Based upon moment arm, the ISS brought a knife to a gun fight. Reports of ISS only being 45 degrees out were premature. That was first call from ADCO. We proceeded to do headstands and cartwheels. Olympic judges would be proud."
No spectators allowed.
He also cited that while this was an emergency, the astronauts weren't in any major danger. They also had Crew Dragon ready to go so they had a way to get off should things have gone south.
@@Real28 I think they say "it will be okay you have Dragon" to be reassuring to the astronauts-- but I've watched Gravity.
@@Real28 "It's okay we're not in danger" the crew cheer as they flee a station violently spinning out of control... I'm sure the passengers of the Titanic felt great as they boarded the lifeboats too
@@MrMattumbo >half a degree per second
>violently
pick one.
As soon as I saw this story in the news, I knew it’d only be a matter of time before Scott made a video. I’ve been looking forward to it!
My Kerbal wobbly joints would have been going nuts
After being 15 years late, all warranties are outdated then all the gremlin take over. It was a stressful situation throughout.
JWST: *_laughs nervously_*
You mean the Kremlin?
@asdrubale bisanzio Yea i know about the gremlins, i was just making a pun. The Kremlin is the place where the Russian president lives so its the center of the russian government.
Can you imagine the irony if the space station had been destroyed the day before starliner was finally ready to actually go into service … 😬
"Starliner was a failure. But not to itself, it was a mere prophet"
_AFTER_ the year 2020, it would NOT surprise me in the least....
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Thank god dragons were there
Re: the dual-endedness of the Canadarm, does this mean it basically could "slinky" itself around to the other end of the station?
it can reach any point that has a powered "grapple fixture", the connecting points that are distributed on the outside of the space station. If I remember correctly, most of the attachment points are on the US/EU side of the ISS. Thats why ESA brought up the ERA robotic arm for the russian segment. It uses similar but incompatible attachment points on the russian modules.
@@Square-0ne that way we can have a slinky race? nice!
Needs stairs.
@@Daniel-yy3ty More like a stroll in the park. The robot arms only move at a very "calm" speed.
@@Square-0ne never said it needed to be a fast race XD
Special emphasis on "Fly Safe" this time. It does seem like a serious source of risk in space flight or space operations is software. Astonishing that Nauka maintained independent control and autonomously began firing thrusters. This indicates that it did not enter a state which is defined as "docked to station" which would then hand over control of thruster firing to the station. Somewhat reminiscent of Starliners issues with thrusters firing when it thought it was in a different state.
Yeah and he said it was firing for 90 seconds, which tells me they had no easy way of commanding it to stop. Kinda scary they could lose control for that long (and if it really did fire until empty who knows how long it actually took to gain control).
Software problems are one thing, but not having a manual failsafe for situations like this is just insane. I hope Roscosmos explains this in their report and don't just try to cover their asses.
@@MrMattumbo Given the Russian love of multiple redundancy, that does surprise me.
@@MrMattumbo Honestly, my guess is that we're looking at a pressure switch not closing when they got hard dock, resulting in Nauka believing that it failed to dock and needed to back off and try again and/or back off and abort. I could totally see that happening thanks to a loose ball of solder in the switch (remember Apollo 14's abort switch?)...
When did Boeing start writing software for Roscosmos?!? Or, is it the other way?!?
@@rdfox76 Excellent point. A dry-joint would likely have similar effects.
Your videos just keep getting better and better man. TH-cam should feel privileged to have you.
This was very worrying in the moment but I’m glad everything and everyone is ok!
Yeah pucker factor of like 15
Roscomos Rocket Safety Manual: "Let them fight!"
Same as Cosmonaut Selection Manual.
Seeing that horizon rotation, while waiting for status... display flashing, tones beeping. On station must have been some wide eye expressions for sure! Some interesting stories when they get back :) Awesome update Dr. Scott !
I read one source that stated it went unnoticed until they saw change of the horizon and some exhaust particles flying away. The engines/acceleration was weaker than during a normal ISS reboost with Progress.
@@Square-0ne Yes, same here. That moment of knowing your not where anticipated. Wow. :)
@@Square-0ne They must've been holding on then, if they were floating during that a half degree/s rotation would mean the walls would be moving toward/away from them pretty quickly.
Thanks for your report, Scott. I was looking forward to hearing your initial assessment of the Nauka docking and subsequent unplanned thruster firing.
"Fat Earth Theory" sounds great, you should secure that as a brand name.
I am disappointed that it’s not thicc earth theory
Sign me up as a "fat-earther"
Was waiting for Scott’s take, never disappointed.
Scott, you really out done yourself on that cover image.
Sussy Nauka
@@flodgey hahaha
So someone had to click “control fro here” and then “align to target” on the new Russian module….
'Control fro here'?
I know you probably meant 'from', but now I have the mental image of an afro being controlled from space.
The docking looked like my usual dockings in KSP
The Proton rocket isn't ugly. It looks almost exactly like how I imagine a rocket ought to look.
Yeah, I wonder where that perception comes from. I mean one obvious ugly thing are those orange clouds around it...
@@dinoschachten: Hypergolic fuels are pretty awful, but boy they sure get the job done.
It's what's inside that matters
I was watching the docking live, and even I thought the hard capture was going a bit rough. You can actually see the solar panel on Nauka wobble up and down. And then the fun started. Fun fact, when they're converting Nauka from its initial configuration to be use on ISS, some of the worker thought they're doing dismantling instead of retrofitting. So they're not as careful about sawing off bits of pipe as they would be. A couple of years after that, they found out the hard way that there's saw dust inside the propulsion pipes that would react badly with hypergolic fuels and basically have to redo all of that pipes, adding a couple of more years to the delay.
The solar panels are spanning 15-20 meters, why wouldn't they wobble when the whole thing has rammed the docking port even at the low speed of around 8 centimeters per second? People don't realize the size of the module, the biggest one to be added in the last 15-20 years or so.
@@lake258 Yeah, there's always some wibbly wobblies. If everything was completely rigid, the forces would be worse, and they'd have to be built stronger. Instead, by allowing some wibbly wobblying, things are allowed to dampen more softly. It's very much intentional design in that sense!
They were wobbling a bit even before it docked, i think due to the impulse from its thrusters, so they seem to have a bit of play.
Damn those graphical overlays and animations for the Proton launch are really pretty yet minimalistic, good job Roscosmos!
I have family in Russia who tell me Roscosmos suffers from 1. national brain drain 2. Government neglect/ineptitude and 3. Terrible government salaries
It’s a shame, the organization has contributed so much to space exploration, really hoping they can get things back on track
Forgot no. 4: Horrible degree of corruption
I’m gonna throw that one under # 2 bc I’m too lazy to edit lol
Are you sure that you have a family in Russia? lol
Asking because Russian scientist who survived Jelcin time are much more happy now than back then.
@@altergreenhorn The narrative about 90s being horribly bad is Putin's propaganda. 90s were bad but not nearly as bad. There were more hospitals and schools back then than there are now and you wouldn't get arrested for protesting against govt corruption. 90s poverty was a lasting effect of 80s Reagan's sanctions and 80s low oil prices and 80s afghan war and 80s Chernobyl (though Chernobyl problems were dumped by Russia on Belarus and Ukraine)
@Greenhorn
My understanding is that the 90s were chaotic for most Russians but Roscosmos still maintained a lot of the talent from the Soviet era. The US even helped fund development from Roscosmos as a way to keep Russian rocket scientists busy and employed so they wouldn’t get desperate and develop weapons for foreign enemies after the USSR collapsed.
Slowly over the last 30 years things have deteriorated, funding is cut (embezzled) and younger Russians with STEM skills leave for countries that pay better and provide better career opportunities.
His “fly safe” felt soo applicable this time 😂
I flew all the way to Florida from New York to see the starliner launch, when mid flight on the way here the launch is scrubbed, I think “ok, this is fine, I can still go to the cape, I got flexible tickets I’ll see it launch” then the car rental place keeps me and my dad in the airport until 1 am, the hotel we have to go to is 2 hours away, just 25 minutes from cape canaveral, I went to sleep at 3 in the morning yesterday and am stuck here until Wednesday to see the launch, which was rescheduled to Tuesday. All because of the nauka module thruster malfunctioning. Thanks a lot nauka.
I always love hearing "Canadarm" when talking about the ISS. it's like if one of the module from the USA was the "FreedomCapsule"
lol
This module is straight up cursed.
@Greg Goog Nauka was supposed to be launched in 2007. That's also the year JWST was originally supposed to be launched, so maybe it's 2007 that's cursed
For those who didn't know: Russians been building that Nauka module for 14 fucking years! 😁🇷🇺💩
As russian science in general.
@@nneeerrrd
@@Jehty_
Thanks Scott. That was the most in depth analysis of what happened I have seen or read.👍👍
@8:03 Let's take a moment to acknowledge, because it's a bit more awesome than some of us tend to realize: the fact that ISS is able to do maneuvers like this shows how it really is a "spaceship" in its own right.
"Everything's fine! Please disperse. Nothing to see here." Franklin "Frank" Drebin.
And don't ever let me catch any of you guys in America!
Thanks for showing my video and recommending my channel! Your video is really cool.
Awesome. Just this morning I woke up wondering “is Scott going to cover this?”
Thanks for the most comprehensive video on this incident I've seen. Lots of people just taking the easy route but you've clearly put some effort into getting information.
Oh, good. Now I can freely say I'm a believer in the "Fat Earth Theory", or as an American, a "fat earther."
Wouldn't it be ironic if the entire Flat Earth movement were caused by a typo?
Fat Earth Movement.
_"Earth is round, and so should you!"_
@@caseyzero Based on observational data, I'd say there is greater credence in it being a case of "Fat Earth" vs "Flat Earth" so, yes.
@@My_initials_are_O.G.cuz_I_am Good idea! All it needs is a flag.
@JZ's Best Friend ..or a Space Hopper
Thanks Scott - especially enjoyed the extra emphasis on "Fly Safe!"
Everyone within a 6371km radius was waiting for this
Wouldnt this only include like a forth of the world
@@vinos1629 I think it's more like half
Thanks Scott. I was waiting for your report on this.
Much appreciated.
It's ironic that the first Starliner wasn't able to dock to the ISS at all due to the RCS problems.
I don't remember RCS having anything to do with it. They didn't hit initial orbit needed to even get close to docking.
@@twistedgamer6 It was also a software problem. Later NASA found out there were additional failures during the 1st Starliner flight. There is a offical report about this.
Starliner isn't going up anyways lol United Launch (Scrub) Alliance will scrub t-minus 4 minutes from launch like they always do
Thanks for the explanations, you're the best !
I particularly love the fact you talk about all space agencies, not just the american ones.
"but 20 years ago, that's how we did things"
Your pronunciation of Nauka improved. I think you were guessing how it should sound last time, but this time it is very good.
Oh no, Among Us has gotten Scott!
I hope Matt lowne doesn't get sucked into the world of amogus
So sussy
Pronounce Scott Manley but remove "cott" and remplace it with "US"
@@xafecx3727 he prob will
Yeah because that module was clearly trying to call a meeting. Maybe rather than talking about technical problems, what Scott should really be thinking about is who’s getting voted off the ship. Or is he too sus to talk about it? 🤔
Don’t even know what problems he’s talking about anyway, he didn’t even mention doing wires or electrical or card scanning once
Finally an informed explanation of what happened to the ISS. Buggy software seems to be a common theme these days. Thank you!
0:10 Scott perfectly pronouncing Nauka, Slavic folk music starts :D
Yeah, finally. But Zarya etc. still bad.
I always thought proton was beautiful, and also thought it was retired.
I for one am shocked, shocked, at the notion the Russians would involve themselves in any suspicious international behavior!
What's suspicious about a straightforward attempt to rotate ISS the way we like it oriented?
@@vladimirdyuzhev Well, comrade, I do appreciate the suggestion, but we still prefer right side up
The first unbias report about the Nauka launch. Thanks Scott!
In Europe and particularly in Russia the story is highly politicized now so it's difficult to understand from the other news reports what exactly happened.
I think you misspoke at 8:21: zenith is space-facing, Zarya and Zvezda were nadir I believe. Sorry to nitpick 😅
Love the channel!!!
Russia: "Thank you for participating in our surprise artificial gravity test!"
"Fat Earth Theory" you are such a genius!
Thanks
outstanding work Mr Manley...thanks for your on-going production and commentary!
Speculations of issues due to "Ruptured Fuel Bladders"? Will we need Space Diapers? Well, that Depends.
Thank you! Thank you! I'll show myself out the door. :)
... and I thought MY jokes could be bad. Shame on you sir for taking the No 1 position!
Slowly says the purple clown behind you, "ho.....ho...ho. heh......heh.........heh. ou.....eh...ha............ha..... and I thought MY jokes were bad.........
how 'bout a magic trick?...." :)
I need some weed to accept this humor :)
You do know that if the engineer making the repair equipment for ruptured fuel bladders sees this they will probably name it Space Diapers, right?
Sounds like the *_#2 POSITION_* to me...😉
Glad to hear everyone is safe. Not related to this video, but I think the topic of staging/decoupling in rockets would be a really interesting topic to cover. Maybe in the style of the “Kerbal Space Program Doesn’t Teach” videos?
When you forget to turn off RCS after docking
Agena Target Vehicle go brrrrrt
Thanks for the report Mr. Manley, entertaining as always!
When the multipurpose laboratory module is sus
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Gemini had a thrust issue on the agena rendezvous and docking experiment. The crew thought it was the agena that was tumbling the spacecraft through its orbit but when they decided to release hard dock the gemini capsule tumbled out of control. Neil was able to manually get the craft out of the tumble and stabilize it before he blacked out. The ISS emergency could have been a lot worse.
Who's out there calling proton ugly it's so sleek yall are just jealous you can't have that form factor.
Better looking than BO dilxxx!!
Its uncircumsized. Some dont like that.
It looks so tall and dinky
Very well spoken sir. Keep doing what your doing. The information u provide is so intricate and u have an excellent way of describing these complex systems, in a complex universe, in an amazingly concise way.
Was waiting for your video on this 👍
As soon as I heard the news about this event I couldn't wait to hear Scott's "take" on it. thank you sir.
Why the shot of someone's phone screen who was actively recording the launch? Bit odd.
Roscosmos included that in their live broadcast.
I like that it's an iPhone
@@scottmanley it was ironic tho that they they failed to track it with the iPhone properly and the camera filming the iPhone was too low to see the rocket too 😁
@@scottmanley What phone did you expect? Iotaphone?
So much valued information. We wouldn't know if it wasn't for you mate. Thank you very much.
14:20, random UFO passing by in the background. With flashing warning lights. Even aliens are afraid of how Russians drives in space.
Aliens be like: Oh FUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCK, ITS THE CHEEKI BOIS AGAIN, ABORT INTERCEPT ABORT INTERCEPT!!! WE HAD THE WRONG TARGET!!! Ultra bright Safety lights for stealth: On.
Burrito-powered-Laminar-flow-Hyperdrive: Activated
First contact is going to be a drunk driving arrest.
@@TheGlitch93 theyre propane powered bruh.
@@lostpony4885 Coke and mentos would be a far more effective hyperdrive, it's shorter but more meme-propulsion
Thanks, once again Scott for making sens of the Information comming out.
Interesting… the Russians were 100% against the docking of the first crew dragon because it was a new untrained system which will jeopardize the ISS. Then they dock their new module and create the exact scenario they were concerned dragon was going to create. What is going to happen when Starliner tries to dock… scary.
Yeah, ironically during the docking maneuver dragon was the only life boat ready. I understand though that dragon is now fitted for 4, although originally its planned capacity was 7 (the current complement of crew on the ISS).
Theyre just proving their point
fortunately the spin was not similar as the Gemini and Neil Armstrong's historic spin. probably scary enough for them who knows the space stuff and specialists.
LMAO “Fat Earth Theory”. I always learn something new here, thanks Scott.
Thanks for putting me out of misery.
I watched it all, heard them swapping to manual catch. Saw something on Twitter but not enough info by far. Cheers. Glad it's all ok
Scott: "the Earth is a bit fat"
Flat-earthers: >ears perk up< What? What'd he say?