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- A deep dive into curved greatswords (hopefully the thumbnail actually looks like two fangs LMAO). As per usual, if you have any suggestions, questions, or something important to add, feel free to comment down below.
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0:00 Intro
0:50 Moveset differences
2:40 Weapon length and weight
4:28 Bloodhound's Fang
6:44 Zamor Curve Sword
7:53 Onyx Lord's Greatsword
8:42 Magma Wyrm's Scalesword
9:17 Morgott's Curse Sword
10:08 Unique at 99
10:25 Heavy/Fire
11:00 Keen/Lightning
11:32 Quality
12:10 Magic/Cold
12:41 Flame/Sacred
13:47 Poison/Blood
14:13 Occult
14:35 Stat at 99
14:44 Summary
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The thing with Beastman Cleaver is that its a shield. It has 80% phys defence and stability of a medium shield.
Oooh
if you're using beastman's cleaver (with heavy infusion obviously) it has 81 physical defense, and 62 guard boost.
this makes it among the 5 best "weapon as shield" options in the game...
...and comparable to that stats of the worst medium shields.
if you're interested in all that playstyle, your best options might be
Greatsword
Giant-Crusher (88 physical, 63 guard boost)
Prelate's Inferno Crozier
Beastman's Cleaver
but, you're doing a strength build... so you have access to all the amazing great shields. so it seems like a rather specific niche.
@@andy4an I did this, but with trolls golden sword, then switched to watchdog greatsword soon as I could get it. It was by a significant margin the easiest playthrough Ive had so far.
With big boi armor and dragoncrest talisman, you take VERY little damage from even the biggest of enemies. And you have terrifying offensive capabilities without even needing to switch weapons or anything.
@@andy4an the thing about blocking with a weapon is that it allows you to do two-handed guard counters which are INSANELY high damage if you build around them
Dude this is the sort of stuff that gets completely missed when people make these "best xxxx" videos. I also like how you specified the differences between pve and pvp in terms of what will be good/viable. Great content, thats a sub from me
The Bloodhound's Fang carried me through my first playthrough. I only picked it as my main weapon initially because I thought it looked cool and I'm a fan of curved greatswords in general, and my autism with regard to exploring meant that I had it at +9 before I even got to Altus. Also the AoW does more damage than a fully charged strong attack, whilst being far safer, so it meant you can punish certain boss openings with a hugely damaging attack without the risk of a charged strong attack.
Works better than one fierce beer coaster.
I used it was during my first play through as well, being able to buff it with grease/weapon enchants was awesome, made it so easy to adapt to different enemy types.
i personally didnt use it because i saw some videos before actually getting the game (such as tiktok videos) and i saw so many people using it that i kinda made me want to use something else instead seeing as it was a popular weapon.
Bloodhound Fang has been the best weapon I’ve found for PVE other than a great hammer for some enemies. I have Morgotts sword and an omen cleaver upgraded too but I haven’t found an ash of war that seems better than the BF’s weapon art.
The AoW also does insane posture damage, so it's really easy to stagger most bosses with it.
One additional note about Bloodhound's Fang, it has higher motion values for all of its jumping attacks. And not just like, 10% or something lame like that. A regular jumping heavy deals about 120% damage, but Bloodhound's heavy deals over 150%.
The fact that it hasn't been nerfed yet is proof that FromSoft absolutely LOVES this weapon.
More like From never plays their own games so it's always unbalanced as shit no matter how many patches they release (not that many lmao)
Pretty great insights there, and often things the community at large has got wrong.
Can’t wait for halberds and spears at some point because for whatever reason this is the first From game where I actually enjoy them.
Thanks! Maybe it's because of jump attacks for the halberds.
Halberds are fantastic now, largely thanks to their incredible running attack that can roll catch on reaction! :D
Theres is someone who been doing the same type of videos for weeks now. He’s doing each weapon type compares each AR with a controlled build and ranks every weapon based on scaling. His channel is “Youwy”
@@MrGandymanjr I actually know that channel, his work is pretty good as well but IMO much more subjective and less backed by numbers I feel.
I learned too like scythes too with elden ring
Glad someone else paid attention to the omen cleaver's two handed move set, it's great for hitting giants on the head for tons more damage than a critical hit would do. Honestly it's a shame there aren't more curved great swords in the game.
Didn't DS1 have 3? Murakumo, Server, and Gravelord Sword. None of them were great, but at least Server has lifesteal, so there's that.
@@KaroxNightshade the murakumo is a god weapon it hits hard af
@@Justin-zi8bs Well then. I’ll be honest, it’s the only one I never used.
Crit damage in Elden Ring is pitiful.
@@KaroxNightshade yo Murakumo hit like a truck, and gravelord had real high basestats and was one of the few weapons that could realistically apply toxic in pvp, server lifesteal was sadly like 5 hp on succesful hit
Morgott's Cursed Sword is an effective off-meta weapon pick, maintaining the pressure and sticking to your target can land a true combo with the weapon art.
You deserve more subscribers. You obviously went above and beyond. Other "In depth" weapon videos don't compare to your content.
Something about this video makes it feel really well formatted. I think it's my favorite of all your weapon guides so far, It feels the most organized and clear.
Surgical and detailed as always. Great work buddy
I really appreciate the optimization of these scaling curves, half the time you don't even need to min/max for damage but this knowledge allows you to make more informed decisions when it comes to the limited number of levels you can invest for certain builds. Very helpful! Keep up the great work.
as always a very interesting video with lot of research and time put into it, the summary at the end makes it understandable even for small brain people like myself
Glad you like it! I figured this one needs a summary because there is a lot of conclusions to draw that are all over the place.
I noticed myself that sometimes a weapon with way better stats just feels off/weird either because of the moveset or the hitbox. So taking that into account is just as if not even a bit more important than the raw stats imo.
Only big brains can laught at themselves and make others laught as well
You made me smile with your modesty
Bloodhound all the way. She's been my best curvy lady from the very start. Really hope they choose to balance the others around how amazing a weapon it is instead of nerfing it...
Doubt they'll nerf Bloodhound Fang. Not nearly enough complaints like moonveil/RoB.
I brought this game when it came out got mad at it stopped playing for 4 months got bored picked it back up and now have put in 209 hours. Found this soward around the 40 hours mark and have not put it down yet!!
Man, I really enjoy how in depth you get with your videos. You deserve all the subscribers, man!
Another top quality video. I might do a curved greatsword run soon so this helped a lot. I plan on getting bloodhound's fang and then farming the omen at stormveil if I want to switch it up.
Really enjoy your breakdowns, long time player and your videos are perfect for organizing build options. Looking forward to a twingblade breakdown!
I just found your channel and I have to say I’m super appreciative of all you’ve made!
Welcome aboard then!
I appreciate your hard work! Can't wait to see all the other weapon types eventually! Cheers
Amazing, I'm so hyped for the other videos!
Love your style of analysis, I can tell it takes a lot of effort. Thanks for the content
As long as people enjoy my videos, it's worth the effort! :D
Thank you, very informative video! Can't wait to see other weapon category's, especially twinblades.
I really like the "optimal stats" and range for these weapons it helps a lot and I'm looking forward to videos about other weapon types in the future!
I think its somewhat worth noting that the scalesword's weapon art deals massive damage and really good "posture" damage as well to pve
This is a gem of a channel. I appreciate your work!
Glad you like them!
Appreciate that you put so much thought And effort into the analysis.
Another great video, keep up the good work! Can't wait for the next one
Great video, very thorough, and well explained. To boot, I am glad I picked up the bloodhound as my primary weapon - I am just 60 hours in my first playthrough. You got a new subscriber!
this is how in depth pvp weapon builds should be made you've got my sub! keep the content coming and I am sure you will achieve whatever you have in your mind!
I absolutely love this series, can't wait for the colossal weapon one as it seems like one of the most bizarre weapon types.
Would love to see a halberd guide next. Amazing video as always. Appreciate it.
Exactly what I was looking for! Thank you sir. You are a man among men, my friend.
I really love your videos, hoping for more categories of weapons if you can manage it someday those are great !
Will be covering all the weapons! I test them before making the vids, and the number crunching takes a while too.
Always looking forward to your new video.
Holy fucking shit, now THAT is a really in-depth review, keep up with the excellent work man :)
Great info that part about equipment weight and endurance helps alot
Love these videos! Please oh please do a video for every weapon class 🙏
Bloodhound Fang with Shard of Alex and Blood Grease is just too powerful. Low stat requirements, innate bleed, pure physical damage plus it's buffable, available almost right away in your playthrough, and super OP ash of war. It combines Stamp Upward Cut with Bloodhound Step. As long as you cleanly land the initial backflip, the follow up heavy attack has crazy high damage and 41 s! You are basically invulnerable to most attacks during the follow up. This is one of those weapons that if you get early, invest in the right stats and upgrade this first, it will discourage you from using other weapons you get throughout the rest of your playthrough. I kept going back to it when I was struggling with tough enemies or bosses.
Great stuff champ. To be honest this was one of the classes I have used the least. Though its good to confirm most of what I thought. These are def solid options for SL90 PVP but I do think they run short of other classes as you get to SL150. Great vid!!
great video, I'm looking forward to your analysis of greatswords =)
Well detailed, thanks for all the data
Love these super professional videos
I really do hope you pop tf off man. These videos are extremely informative
Thanks!
I appreciated the additional attention on weight load and investment to endurance requirements
I love this content! Thank you so much, keeps it up :)
Awesome stuff.
Halberd or great spear are my picks for next. Seems like they both have good options so I find it hard to choose
I've been loving these! Would really love to see rapiers at some point.
Really loving these deep dives that you're doing. I know you're currently working yourself through the weapon classes, but I nonetheless have an interesting topic suggestion for another video some time.
Radagon and Marikas' soreseals respectively are pretty popular in the community and found in 80% of build I've seen online. Many say the 20 free levels far outweigh the resistance penalty you receive while wearing a soreseal, but I'd love to know if that notion still holds up in late game content.
Talisman video is in the works too! I've had more than one person ask me that question.
I've gone through the game twice, first time without soreseal, second time with. If your plan is to face-tank things, don't use one, as they drop your absorption rather significantly, possibly reaching negatives in light armor. However, both definitely have their upsisdes, as a mage with Marika's usually won't be close enough to worry about the extra damage outside of boss fights and specific cramped areas, while a melee user with Radagon's will be able to equip slightly heavier gear and gain more HP to somewhat offset the penalty.
I was able to somewhat tank Malenia (iirc, about 5 hits to die) at ~50 VIG in Crucible Axe armor and no soreseal, whereas I was easily 2-shot (closer to 1.5 shot) in mixed light armor with Marika's at 60 VIG. While the armor makes a definite difference, it shouldn't be that significant all on its own. Sadly, I lack accurate readings here, so take this with a grain of salt.
Use them if you need the numbers for your build and can handle the defensive penalty. If it is your first run, I would suggest against them and using one of the regular +5 talismans instead (Starscourge from Ft. Gael, Prosthetic from Millicent, Stargazer from Ranni, Two Fingers from Purified Ruins). While they are inarguably powerful, they are not to be used on any "tanky" build.
In summary, you will get 10-15 levels of offense in exchange for similar levels lost in defense, making them "glass cannon" talismans. Use one at your own discretion and use both at your own peril. Chrightt's video will undoubtably be more in-depth on defensive losses, but hopefully this writeup can help in the meantime.
@@MasterofLaziness You are wrong about defence-offence lost-gain. All you gain from seal is exactly 20 lvls, which you can put where you want. For example in endurance to wear more armor, and it will give you more defences than without it, if you do it correctly and not on post 120 lvl. So it can actually make you tankier, or give you damage, it will be net gain
@@MV-mp4kl It does not directly invest the points, meaning you gain no defense from equipping either of them, and the points are put in exactly the stats that they define at 5 points each (VIT/END/STR/DEX for Radagon's or MND/INT/FTH/ARC for Marika's). You absolutely lose defense by equipping either Soreseal due to the absorption loss that both of them provide combined with gaining no proper levels by using either of them.
It really depends on how efficiently your build can use all the stats. For example, in my case the extra strength or the extra dex would simply not give any meaningful value - but of course you could optimize your build around using the sore or scar seal for those exact extra 3/5 points to hit certain minimum requirements on your weapons.
Vigor and endurance are always nice, but once you reach 40 vigor the value of that is serverely reduced.
I think all the way till rune level 60 these talismans provide great value. Going higher, I mean any higher than 80 it becomes rather debatable.
I prefer it this way honestly, prisoner's chain was too good in dark souls 3
your analysis is impeccable.
Thanks!
Great vid ! Hope you will cover all weapons
this channel is pure gold right now
Thanks! :D
These videos are amazing, I'd love to see a video for an optimized quality build
Great and succinct video!
I was planning on using colossal swords in my dragon incant build but I stumbled across the Magma Wyrm's Scalesword early on and have been loving using its weapon art with a fire omen cleaver in the OH, video is super well timed for me thanks for the info!
Great analyses as always, beautifully made.
At the moment I’m really curious about the stats for halberds. I wonder if sometimes it can boil down into a firepower vs move-set situation.
Commenting for the algorithm, great video man
I appreciate it!
i liked investing in the Zamor's since it doesn't have a split damage despite having frost. i devised that idea from watching your videos
You are an incredible resource. Much appreciated fam
Happy to help!
These vids are sick, would love one over colossal swords :)
I love how FromSoft consistently has one curved greatsword that's better than the rest.
DS1 - Murakumo
DS2 - Ancient Dragon Curved Greatsword
DS3 - Exile Greatsword
And now it's the Bloodhound's Fang.
real dick swingers used murakumo in ds2 aswell
i mean exile has the highest damage but not much higher than haralds and haralds has a lot more range
@@ashenamber2305 plus you can put bleed on haralds and use the quick multi hit weapon art to take advantage of the large bleed numbers greatswords get. No meta but it catches so many people out
Someone may have mentioned, but blood hound's is also listed on the wiki with a 10% bonus to jump attacks, which isn't insignificant
Excellent breakdown, though a quick note I've found is that in my anecdotal experience Morgott's weapon art lands plenty often enough. The tracking on it is pretty crazy; you step forward towards them and then the attack can come out in something like 150-170 degrees behind you.
I'm still on the fence between Dismounter and Omen Cleaver. The extra range feels important at times, but it's hard to tell. I do like the Omen jumping R2 though.
good watch. learned new things. Hope you get to twin blades eventually. They’re my favourite.
I hope this is a series for all weapons it's pretty amazing
Yep, getting there little by little.
Very usefull video thanks mate.
I like to use dual wield the Bloodhound Fang buffed with Bloodflame alongside the Scalesword. Very cool looking build.
Phenomenal video, I love your work! It has been very helpful for me thus far. Do you have any plans for making a whip video sometime soon? Whips are a weapon class that the tiny intricacies would make a difference on for me. Several of them are pretty similar, as there’s two infusable innate bleed whips, and two fire ones, and i don’t really know what’s best between them. Range is weird to eyeball too, assuming the whips have variable range, because you can’t compare blade length for them
It's going to be straight swords next, but I will most likely be covering whips after.
Found this while looking for other weapons like Bloodhound's Fang. The reason it can be buffed with other damage types is that its damage type is purely physical. There are other somber weapons that also deal only physical damage and can accept buffs as well. Bleed counts as a physical damage type for this purpose.
magma guillotine is interesting because not only does it have huge poise, but the weapon art damage 'lingers' in the lava pool for a second after you do it - so even if you miss an enemy might walk into the magma and suddenly take 1k damage. Killed quite a few people who dodged the initial hit but ran in thinking it was safe just because its the lava.
I love you Elden Ring math man
Hello, Chrightt! Great video as always, your insight is invaluable. Do you have any recommendations on Ashes of War for CGS on PvP?
If you're used to melee trades, I would go with either double slash (which true combos if you land initial) or spinning slash (which is fast and decent at close range). I don't think Curved GS has anything too special to offer for PVP though, so if I were to especially choose curved GS, probably because I want to use Bloodhound's Fang for the unique AoW mixup. The rest of the unique AoWs are PVE oriented.
My first run through the game wound up a level 150 quality build powerstancing curved greatswords with the Bloodhound Fang in my main hand and Zamor in the off hand. It was fantastic against the final bosses and also in pvp as a jumping attack build.
exactly the same as me lol, so good
Why go offhanding Zamor instead of cold-infused Dismounter or Omen Cleaver?
@@sydorovich2532 cause the aethetics of the Zamor fit better with my chosen fashion imo. Plus it's just a nicer looking model than most of the other curved gs.
@@Baehellet fair point.
Very informative vid
Is it okay to ask what mic you're using? Quality is so good
I'm using the Razer Siren X (had a discount offer and reviews seemed like it suits my needs).
Nice video, have been loving the series, since its some actual analysis and not the classical, hey check out this "Op" weapon, like everything is op for some channels. Keep the good work
Hey man, first Video I have seen of you and im amazed. A sub well earned. I only have one question, do you take damage negation at pvp meta level into consideration when you recommend split damage weapons ?
Anyway have a great day , im looking forward for more well researched content :)
Yes, I include def/negation in mind. If you check out my damage reduction video, you will see that fire defense tends to be higher than lightning defense for one!
@@Chrightt Holy hell that was a quick reply :D Thank you very much for the insight ill be checking out that video now :)
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I hope your channel blews up!
Edit: I 🤞 my 2 fingers, that this vid gets at least 100k.
Here from the beginning!
Thanks, I hope so too :D!
Realy good video thx
Coming back to this video, there's something that I think needs mentioning.
The curved greatswords have a unique guard counter combo when 1-handed with a shield. Guard Counter into Light Attack does a very fast 2-hit combo, which when used with something like the Bloodhound's Fang has great Bloodloss build-up. It can't be overstated how good that is in PvE.
I tested it out, it seems like the follow up light attack after guard counter is just the second R1-R1 combo swing. Regular greatswords do the same thing minus the swaggy spin. Not sure if it has any frame advantages or anything, doesn't seem like it.
I doubt anyone will see this, but the Beastman's Cleaver scales abnormally well with Lightning infusion. I get why it was left out for Keen, but for whatever reason (perhaps the lore association of Farum Azula with lightning) it actually beats out the other three standard curved greatswords with Lightning. And yes, it also has use for blocking - you can two-hand it, invest only 17 Str, and guard counter with it!
One thing I will add is that morgott's cursed sword, because it has innate bleed & arcane scaling, when investing in arcane will have much higher bleed buildup than the bloodhound's fang.
Also, in pvp the weapon art's aoe explosion can be very nice when fighting multiple opponents. The weapon art also applies additional bleed build up!
It's quite the beast, however as you mentioned high fp cost and very high stat requirements. In my opinion only worth using if you go 35dex 40-45 arcane.
I can't wait for the Fist weapons video, can't wrap my head around them since most of them are unique weapons.
Before seeing this video I started using Onyx Lord's, I was using it for invasions and apparently no one expects anyone to use it so they don't realize the AoW knocks back instead of pulls in which knocks them on their back
Omg please do this for every weapon class
That's the plan!
great video. Is it possible to do a great sword vs curved great sword video. I want to know which has better moveset, frames used for each move, practical use etc..
I don't know what they were thinking with Bloodhound's Fang, it outclasses the other CGS in almost every aspect and you get it 5 minutes in the game. Did they put it here to carry newbies ?
😂Perhaps. It was definitely.... "wow, isn't this a bit busted" when I was doing the math.
Every from game has had that one broken curved greatsword 😂😂
Probably yea
New drake sword basically, at least you have to out in a little more work to get it and use it
@@evanbaxter7356 Except drake sword was trash at every point beyond early game and didn't scale, while Bloodhound's Fang is excellent even at high levels/upgrade levels.
Great videos
ur mic sounds great in this one
Actually bloodhound's should not be relegated to the offhand due to the ability to buff it further, you can for example you can cast bloodflame blade on it and then offhand a bleed infused cgs which is something you can't usually do with uniques
Two handed heavy attack of the dismounter is what made me choose it over all others. AR's never felt like a problem.
Gonna ask: Is bloodhound bugged for anyone? Ive had a whole entire game night where the weapon never procced when before it would - so I started only using it as a distance move for when I KNEW an attack was coming
Really Good review
I believe practicle usability should also be considered. Onyx blade is a good weapon if people know how to use it.
Two things ..
1. weapon art is a neal down helps in ignoring certain attacks.
2. Its a AOE attacks.. with gravity excellent for crowd control. Annoyed by those Birds, Rats, Dogs and imps.. give this a try... its a fun time.
Note : for some reason.. I don't know why but Mediorite katana gets hyper Armour with AoW, whereas onyx blade which is heavier and is a curved great sword does not.. so recommend staking up poise for the weapon to work.
Bloodhound fang still after all these months is one of the best swords in the game in my opinion. The AoW does crazy damage by itself but then u can buff the hell out of it and make it insane. Still in my top 5 if not too 3 really
I think a good option for PVE is a cold CGS with Morgott's because there's a way to naturally reset the frost with Morgott's WA. Proc frost and bleed, reset frost, repeat.
Why not going for Bloodflame buffed mainhand Fang instead? Fire damage doesn't reset the frost buildup, only the status itself.
Nice raw numbers comparison, should give an extra point to magma wyrm's for the puddle the L2 leaves, it gives really good value against bosses that don't/can't move out of it.
I know there always has to be a "best" but for Bloodhound's to be numerically strongest at every level whilst also having innate bleed and a super versatile L2 makes the rest feel kinda pointless (except for monk's - if you spent the 10 hours farming that, you're definitely going to rep it), but also shines a light on the fact that if I was facing a bleed-immune boss, I probably wouldn't use a curved greatsword _at all._ For non-bleed DEX builds that want a heavier weapon I would still go with great thrusting weps or my personal favourite the Guardian Spear (Phantom Slash on a DEX weapon? OK!).
this is great
Currently rocking dual BHF. Sometimes I go with 1 BHF and 1 Zamor for that sweet bleed and frost. On enemies immune to bleed/frost I like to slap on a beastman cleaver with royal knights resolve. Would love to dual wield BMC but can't be bothered to farm another one. 90% of the time I spam jump attacks to kill everything lol
You should host a best builds competition and do a by the numbers tear down of the submited builds
In an arcane/dext build against elden beast, I used Morgott's cursed sword and an occult monk's flame blade
Excellent work! I'd love to see a greatsword video if you'd be down to make one (talking about regular greatswords not colossal)
I will end up covering all the weapons for sure. There are 21 greatswords.... so it will take me quite a while.
@@Chrightt Yeah it's a pretty huge category haha
I appreciate your work, thank you!
Any idea when the axes category will be reviewed?