When I watched weathering with you, the ending hit me in that the movie supported the philosophy of prioritizing one's self happiness over the well-being of the larger community by having them reunite. It was so human and genuine, and made this film stand out in the world of anime where endings generally benefitted everyone and self-sacrifice was celebrated.
I think this hits even more hard with Japanese culture which is based on collectivism, rather than individualism. I suspect that being exposed to the philosophy of: "we're all going to die anyways, make sure that YOU'RE happy throughout the previous life that you have"
Yes, Weathering With You is more “human” than Your Name. Your Name is a great movie and the twists are one of a kind but I felt and related more with weathering with you. I dunno, but I felt more with Hodaka and Hina’s predicament than with Taki and Mitsuha’s. Hodaka running away from home, how it was his first great meal, how Hina and her brother are orphans at such a young age... everything felt so cruel just like how life is. Then there’s Suga who’s torn between acting on his empathy with Hodaka’s situation and his visiting rights to his daughter. Then that scene at the motel/hotel while three underage kids are so happy is also gut wrenching. More so when Hodaka thought “If there is a God in this world, please let us stay like this forever.” I felt the hopelessness of their situation.
I would happily give up my happiness and life to keep other innocent souls happy. Yes ofcourse I want to be happy ,I want to live,and pain hurts and I never want it but if it the cost for many peoples happiness ,then it is worth it and I aggree to give it up
The problem with that is the movie shows you the direct impact of that choice down to how it hits characters we have directly met. We see characters we have met and bonded with previously forced to move from their old home. It is played as "fine", but it confirms this is something that had to happen. Here's the problem with that. Not everyone can afford to "just move". Especially since Aquaman isn't gonna buy your old house and apparently the government isn't helping. This is ESPECIALLY problematic in a movie that went out of its way to show poor people struggling as its two leads. It is the Stormtrooper paradox. You can't off-screen the fodder of your plot after drawing SPECIFIC attention to them. It makes the whole decision a lot harder to swallow. The review says Honoka and Hina feel the weight of their decision, but... well, no. They definitely don't. No human can possibly understand the scale of genocide and remain sane. Also, the idea that "there's no saving the future" and you should "just do what makes you happy" ignores that people can only live that way because other people DO have to make sacrifices. If the world was filled with people like Honoka, we would all die in a week and no one would get to live fairy tale endings with their magical girlfriends.
@@DairunCates Yeah, that bugged me too. There's also the fact that Tokyo wouldn't be the only place affected by this. With it raining nonstop 24/7 all year every year, all that water isn't going to stay in just one spot. It has to go somewhere. Now people in other countries, all around the world, who have no idea what's going and don't know anything about weather girls will be forced to abandon their homes and jobs or whatever have them. The water will keep rising and rising until everything is submerged. People might build ships and such, but not everyone will fit in them. There would be riots, fights, and bloodshed over who gets to board. They keep calling this movie all the wonderful things like "beautiful, a masterpiece, a smash hit." I may agree that certain things about this movie are indeed beautiful, but at the same time I think to myself: Is nobody going to talk about the fact that this boy single-handedly doomed the entire planet all because he couldn't live without his girl? That may seem harsh, but I have to call it like I see it. Good to know I'm not alone in that department.
Completely agree with the analysis. I see a lot of people complaining that Weathering was too similar to Your Name.... but, like, have any of those people watched an earlier Shinkai film before? Your Name cops more from 5 Centimeters than this film ever could from Your Name. Shinkai is trying to tell the same story over and over in different and better ways, building off of his successes. This film is not only more entertaining than Your Name, but is more thematically poignant, emotionally resonant, and is just a better looking movie in both direction and art quality.
d0wns0wth 5 centimeters per second one of my favorite films of all time true that your name took more elements from that movie then weathering with you did with your name
Also I like that weathering with you brought a more darker setting I mean cops club service and stuff, and I mean the detectives were about to shoot the mc for Christ sake it was an interesting turn of setting
Hard disagree. I've been following Makoto Shinkai's career for years now and seen all his movies, and Weathering With You is the first time one of his movies has felt so similar to a previous work (and yeah Shinkai's work all overlap in multiple ways but never to this extent). This truly and honestly feels like the second installment in a new Shinkai era, an obvious post-Your Name work. To clarify, I don't think this is bad. Weathering With You is a great movie, better than Your Name in my opinion, and among his best for sure. I do think it would have been better had it diverged more from the Your Name template, and there was certainly a sense of riding that hype train even including the protagonists of those movies as cameos, but overall it is a good thing that it takes what Your Name did and attempts, and mosty succeeds, to refine it. Anyway, what makes Weathering With You so much more similar to Your Name, than say, Your Name to 5 cm per second, is that it has the exact same story structure. Boy meets girl, boy connects with girl through supernatural force - boy and girl have fun with this supernatural force while slowly falling in love - supernatural force fucks them over, girl disappears - climax of the movie is the simultaneous reunion of the two and a grappling with a grand-scale natural disaster somehow related to the supernatural force - after the climax, the two seperate - movie ends with a happy reunion, years after the climax. The big difference between the two is how they pace this structure, and Weathering With You's big emphasis on the male lead's solitary struggles prior to meeting the girl. Also Weathering With You devotes more time (or just does it better idk) to side characters. All of Shinkai's previous works had very different story structures. 5 cm per seconds had a bizarre structure, where the film is divided over three "chapters" , of which the first is by far the meatiest, the second largely irrelevant and the third mostly a music video. In Weathering With You, the exact same story structure of Your Name is used, and this combined with a lot of other characteristic features of that movie - thematic elements, Shinkai motifs, same character designs, same setting, similar directing tricks, similar emphasis on comedic timing, similar sense of sound design/music, similar emphasis on comedy/drama distribution, similar sense of pacing using montage scenes (though Weathering With You is a lot better) etc. etc. you get the point.
I found Weathering with You was such a better, more beautiful, funny, compelling and touching movie than Your Name and I found it hard to explain why in objective terms. Now this video has made it all so clear. I'm just going to send it to people as a detailed explanation. This is amazing content, thank you for this!
@Mythicdragon666 Y IMO weathering with you is more touching bcz i can relate to the main character very much and the way the show show's the rommance is beautifull
I was definitly like "I FUCKING KNEW YALL WERE POOR TOO YOU LITTLE SHITS" The entire time. So it felt like a side of Japan thag anime really tries to pretend dosent exist.
*Spoilers in this comment* The message I took away from this film is that the young should not be expected to shoulder the burden left to them by adults. The decision at the end can be seen as selfish, but given the experiences they had of Tokyo and what it had one to them I fully understand their decision. In many ways I liken this film to Atlantis, a city sunk by the gods for it's hubris. Tokyo was sunk because it failed to address the needs of it's most vulnerable members, very much sunk by it's hubris. Also that bit at the end theorising about Shinkia's own experiences makes me wonder if the end of Weathering with You is a bit of a middle finger at the situation in his youth. If he truly was ripped apart from first love having a message telling kids to pretty much let the world burn to find that happiness seems like a pretty on the nose way of saying "screw those who try to take this from you."
Bro...you’re actually a genius...and if i could, i’d add 1000 likes to this comment myself if i could I always figured the best way to justify hodaka’s actions was that they had already done so much for Tokyo (with all the Sunshine Girl stuff), and at their own expense (Hina disappears, Nagi and Hodaka lose someone dear to them) and it was time for them to finally have happiness of their own at tokyo’s expense for a change, but i never once considered what Hina and Hodaka had gone through in Tokyo, the ending’s a rather poetic way of letting society’s weakest take revenge on the elites who neglected and failed to care for them
I dont think many get the point. Even without sunshine girl,weather will go back to normal. The weather started to became more erratic after she started using her powers more often. So yeah.they created the problem in first place and instead of solving it they screwed it more. But hey what I understood from movie is 1)hodoka skimping over girl and caused more problems that was actually not there in first place. 2)people still used sunshine girl even though older generation knew the consequences of overusing sunshine girl.i mean you cant say many people not know it but even with supernatural going around them? For me despite the simping and over plotholes and screwing and killing people for problems they created in firstplace Its human greed.
I personally prefer Your Name to this but I completely get your points. Weathering With You does a great job communicating that the characters are far from perfect and that even though Hodaka’s decision has huge ramifications for the world around him, it is very, very thought provoking. Thanks for opening my eyes even more to this film’s good qualities.
18:10 had me in tears of laughter, I love how media outlets are trying to act as though this is a climate change pro activism awareness movie but at the end of the day the main character bloody chose to flood the whole of Tokyo and its a happy ending lmao (Also please keep in mind I love the movie, I am getting the collectors edition in 4k and this is one of my fav movies)
I haven't gotten there in the video yet but yeaj, I actually took this film as being outright climate change denial, what with "the records only go back 100 years", "this crazy weather is nothing out of the ordinary", and "Tokyo used to be under water before so if it's going underwater again there's nothing unnatural about that". The kids make huge sacrifices to fight literal climate change before coming to the conclusion that there was never a problem and that they can live their lives care-free.
Khazuki No offense sir/ma'am/[insert preferred title here] but you're overthinking "that shit". There's no climate denial in the movie, it's all metaphorical.
@@Khazuki_ Shinkai mentioned in an interview that there are indeed references to climate change and rising sea levels in Weathering With You. That he believes it's a legitimate danger. Shinkai's movies have had a pattern of appreciating the beauty of nature and has many breathtaking shots of its scenery, similar to how Miyazaki often incorporates environmentalist themes in his movies as well. There's absolutely no climate change denial here.
where is the correlation? hodaka letting tokyo become flooded by neverending rain is the complete opposite of climate change denial, if anything the fact that the idea of it is even included indicates an awareness for it. not caring/accepting that tokyo is flooded isn't denial of climate change but rather a confirmation for it. the movie emphasizes the bleak reality of climate change/rising sea levels by letting tokyo slowly become submerged under water. shinkai even talks about this in an interview
@@soobinhowcanyounotlovekai7725 *Man-made climate change. The characters who are presented as being "right", who give the protagonists a different perspective that motivates them to change their priorities, behavior, etc, assure them that this is nothing unnatural, and nothing that anyone should be burdened with trying to fight against
Brilliant breakdown Digi. One of your best ever in my opinion. As much i love your rants and your streams, prepared long form analysis is where you truly shine, since it allows you to show off your writing ability. I've missed videos like this
I saw it in Theater with my fiance over the weekend, and we both greatly enjoyed it. After it was over though, we both were thinking that, for a film that's so obviously about climate change, the message that it has about it was rather unexpected. Also, I don't know how to feel about the main character's decision. The lengths he goes to in order to save the girl really sell it, and his happy ending feels earned. On the other hand, he literliterally doomed all of Tokyo, and the consequences of that don't really get explored.
True, the most we see is that the only mode for travel is by ferry, and not many buildings are left that can be used. However, while I do understand that this isn't your claim exactly, the exclusion of exploring those consequences is potentially better off for the film then otherwise. The film is pretty tight in its writing, and to add to that might disrupt the emotional journey at the end of the movie to its detriment. Perhaps another movie in this universe could amend that, though how'd you pull that off is a wonder to me.
Tokyo was meant to be flooded anyways, hina wasn't the maiden anymore. I mean, there's a next maiden which means that if Hina dies, the sunshine will only be temporary until the next maiden. Also, if I was Hodaka, I'd do the same.
Thank you for giving me a different perspective on the movie, Digibro! I spent the entire movie trying to figure out what Shinkai was saying about climate change, and was really disappointed when it seemed like he was saying, “We aren’t responsible and can’t do anything about it.” But you describing his past patterns of motif made me realize that he saying this from an older generation’s perspective - as if telling the children of today, “You aren’t responsible for this, even if it sucks. We don’t deserve you to save us. So please just protect the ones you love and live your youth without regrets.” At the end of the day, I don’t know if I agree with his message 100% - because even if the children today aren’t responsible, we have to deal with the consequences. But I can now see that Shinkai is coming from a place of compassion.
I just saw this movie the day of this video and immediately looked for an in depth look at the movie and couldn't find one.... Until now. Thanks Digi for covering nearly everything I care about!👍
putting aside everything else, the thing i'll remember the most is how I fcking loved the youth spirit of " you can do anything" opposed to adults who are actually more grounded on the reality of things, stopping them to even try to imagine changing things as possible. The plot of senpai and his friends to escape the police and go to help MC was just hilarious, and i fcking loved the character, and the relation he had with MC. I already quite liked in Your Name the comedy on the side charachters, such as Yuzuha, the imouto, but I think he did really great on this one.
For sure, the side cast was super lovable and memorable. I think that is what made me more fond of the story while I watched it, because the story didn't feel too focused on the MCs to the point where other characters are just not involved. I actually got pretty emotional watching this.
I love that you enjoyed this film, because it's definitely my new favourite of Shinkai's works, and I enjoyed it for similar reasons. Thanks for the validation my man
One thing I like is the major focus on choice and both how meaningless it is as well as how much deep meaning it has. Yeah, he chose Hina over the city (not the people, the city; this feels like something some don't notice), but people don't seem to care or even recognize that his actions were so world-changing. For all his guilt and shame at having destroyed the city, kids are still playing in the streets like it's nothing. The film even goes out of its way at times to show different perspectives to demonstrate this difference. Hodaka running on the railway looks awesome, a desperate hero racing to save the girl, but take just a few steps back from the tracks and you've got tons of people going about their day and casually looking up and wondering what that idiot's doing jogging on the train tracks. After having made that momentous decision, and then hearing various people reassure him that no, his decision wasn't near as devastating as he thinks (heck, Keisuke's relationship with his daughter seems to be doing great, and she doesn't even seem uncomfortable), even as he's thinking of trying to assure Hina and himself that their decision doesn't mean that much, one look at her and he knows from the bottom of his heart that they did indeed change the world. Even if circumstances would've moved this direction anyway, it doesn't change the fact that he chose her, that they chose this world, but that's okay. It's kind of a hard thing to take, looking at once at how meaningless your path and your decisions are, and how every choice you make does indeed mean everything.
There where multiple times in this movie when I just went, ok makoto you just showing off now, the fireworks scene, anything that has to do with the clouds and the motorcycle chase where some of the best animated scenes I have EVER scene, god they where beautiful
Got to see this movie twice now, first subbed then the dub with some friends. For as much as critics are hailing this as more emotionally impactful than Your Name, I think that Shinkai adequately tempered the depressing story elements with stabs of playful humor or hopeful optimism (looking at you, Nagi). I think back to *SPOILER* After the 3 finally find a hotel that would put them up for the night, they all exhaustedly collapse to the floor in front of the door and start cracking up laughing. After they literally started a potentially dangerous car fire in a busy city square by SUMMONING LIGHTNING. That portrayal of emotionally charged adolescent recklessness was spot-on and an interesting change of pace for Shinkai's characters, Shinkai protagonists even! I will say though - the first time I saw this movie I knew absolutely nothing about it, no trailer no promo material nothing. That scene of Hodaka biting into a free burger that a stranger gave him out of pity after living in complete squalor for 3 days...I *involuntarily* started crying. No idea where that came from but I think it must have conjured a sort of stinging, vague memory of my own troubled childhood. 8/10 Garden of Words is still his best movie and POST!
And you never bothered to ask yourself why he ran away from home? If not, I’ll tell you. His father was an abusive piece of shit and his school was chaining him down.
The ending was sort of an antithesis to the ending of Your Name where they ended up saving hundreds of people from Itomori and changing history. I guess we could say, the submersion of Tokyo was inevitable anyway only that the decisions of Horuka and Hina hastened what was bound to happen in the future. I would say that Horuka's decision to save Hina for his own happiness was selfish. Hina's sacrifice would have prolonged a habitable Tokyo for the millions of people living there and the happiness of those wanting sunshine like those who hired their services to begin with. Another lesson would be, if something is too good to be true, it must have dire consequences in the end. Horuka and Hina were just naive about that.
I can see how you feel that way. But first, I don't think Hodaka saved Hina only for his own happiness. She sacrificed herself to save Tokyo but nobody knew it. In the grander view, everyone in history seemed comfortable with this exchange. Even Suga, someone who has known true loss in his life and generally a good dude, verbalizes this. Hodaka is rebelling against this idea. And he doesn't do it expecting his life go well . There's a cultural difference with guns. In Japan it is absolutely not allowed and you are going to get something similar to a murder charge. That's why there is such a long pause after the firing. At first I thought, this was to emphasize Suga taking Hodaka seriously out of fear but then I realized it was acknowledgment from both of them Hodoka's life was over Hodaka threw away his future for Hina. And then Hina's brother does too. And finally Suga, who should know what Horuka is going through more than anybody else, does the same. The will to sacrifice for someone else was returned in kind and became a chain. And that is what matters because a world built on the unacknowledged sacrifices of these sun maidens is messed up When Hodaka prays, he prays for no more miracles but no more sacrifices. The compulsion to change things at all cost, to preserve the life we know forever, the hubris in machievellianism and abstractionism; Hodaka rejects. Live and love now. The last verse of the song when he saves her goes "we may get ahead of hard times but what good is it, a voice tells us, our love tells us? " Very Shinto.
@@nachonachoman Hoduka isn't the smartest guy around that the younger Hina succesfully convinced him she was older.Many times Hoduka had to cry for Hina. One time he was in a police car, having just learned that Hina isnt older than him when she's only actually just turned 15 to carry that burden of sacrificing herself that nobody believed. Hina is so strong that she accepted her fate just before she got spirited away to the sky and talked about leaving Nagi to Hoduka's care. She believed it was the right thing to get their summers back. Hoduka's action was like an undoing of the selfless act that Hina accepted was going to happen. In fact, Hoduka was unsure what Hina would think if they meet again because he felt guilty. Suga who aided Hoduka's action is the greatest denier of the whole thing may actually be the biggest believer of what happened to Hoduka and Hina being true but decided to brush off Hoduka (and his own) guilt saying Hoduka's action didn't actually matter. Suga merely redeemed himself through Hoduka by helping him save a girl, when he had lost his own. Unsung heroes and unacknowledged sacrifices are just more in tune with the real world and it happens everyday. If we come from a more Western understanding of how a satisfying ending should be, we would like an ending like Your Name. No matter how I rationalize it, Hoduka saving Hina, saved much less than what would have been saved had they just carried on without her. If something else happened that prevented Tokyo from being flooded, then I guess it would have been a good ending. Also, the flooded Tokyo in the conclusion of Weathering With You does not match the ending of Your Name where Tokyo seemed completely normal. The continuity seems to have been broken.
Hodaka's wish to save Hina was hella selfish. Also he didn't even consider sacrificing himself like Suzume in the latest movie did, for example. I dunno, it rubbed me the wrong way. Just like some brat could be responsible for your life
@@smart.but.stupid Hoduka's not the smartest character. Hina was more mature because she initially considered that her sacrifice would save many but no! Hoduka hijacked it. I guess it was what made the ending controversial.
@@ramirreyes6414 yes, also his family conflict wasn't clear, we can just assume how bad it was until the moment he actually returned home and it didn't seem as bad (he wasn't even considered a criminal). Even the movie starts with Hodaka almost drowning just...because he likes to be out in the rain, I guess. Then, he grabs a gun and...yeah, he's definitely not smart
we saw this movie 3 times in theaters and we absolutely loved it. Its doing incredibly well in the US it just passed 7.2 million making it a very successful anime film domestically. As a huge fan of Your Name i actually found weathering better, i thought it told a deeper more meaningful story and the fact it tells a better and more complete love story among everything else in the movie is probably the biggest reason why it passed your name for me, i liked the characters both MC and supporting characters. Overall i really think people need to go see this film its freaking beautiful, the music is amazing and is timed perfectly with its crafted scenes, this movie is a absolute gem and i am just freaking happy we are still getting high Quality Anime movies like this coming to theaters that are not from big seasonal shows etc.
Just went to see tenki no ko again this time alone. I'm proud to say it holds up quite well and in fact I might even bump it up from my initial high 8 to a solid 9. Lots of small details come alive on the second viewing ( *spoilers inc* ). Like how your knowledge of Keisuke's background reflects his actions and his relationship with Hodaka, Hina's small reluctance to tell Hodaka her age hints at how she hides her true self from the world, how the pendant Hina wore was actually her late mother's bracelet, a picture of a frustrated Hodaka with who I assume to be his father explains Hodaka's determination to live his new life, how absolutely gorgeous the rain effects still are, and I could go on. I'm not much of a movie guy even for otaku related stuff like this but this marks the first time I have ever went to the theaters solo in my life. Had I seen this movie back when it released in summer 2019 I may have been inclined to call it anime movie of the decade. It is to me what kimi no na wa may have been to others: a capturing of a very specific set of themes which very much mesh with the kind person that I am. Thank you, Makoto Shinkai. And also to Radwimps for making the soundtrack of my life for the entire past week. Keep the hits coming Yojiro Noda, you bilingual beast
I was going to skip this movie if it weren't for this video because I thought Your Name was meh. I paused the video 2 minutes in because you sold me on it. I watched the movie at my local theater that night and was completely blown away. Loved every second of it. Hands down Shinkai's best film so far and I might go see it again before its US theater run is over. Of course I came back to this video after I saw the film. Thanks for another recommendation Digi!
I loved weathering with you. Too many people were looking for realism, and groundness that just isn't what makoto shinkai is about. I agree that the protagonists in Weathering with you are by far the most relatable and emotional out off his movies, and I found that I enjoyed the movie the most when I stopped trying to find rationality or logic in the movie and instead focused on the emotional rollercoaster of a story that the movie is trying to portray. The feelings and emotions encapsulated by the characters really got to me, wondering what it must feel like to love that intensely again. Your Name is still my overall favorite makoto shinkai film, mostly due tot he sound direction and radwimp's immensely intertwined involvement with the development, but Weathering with you had my favorite characters in any of his films. And yes, I'm commenting on this a year later, because I'm going back through your videos because I'll miss them dearly. Stay well, b.
Hey I just wanted to say thanks for making me aware that the film is leaving theaters soon--I gotta go see it before it's too late because this looks STUNNING, I can't miss seeing this on a theater screen!! So thank you!
Watching this in full after checking out the movie in a cinema yesterday, and I have to say that it definitely helped me gain a new perspective on the film. I will definitely be re-watching both this and the movie for the next week or so.
i bawled my eyes out seeing hodaka's desperation during the police confrontation in the abandoned bldg, like damm i love raw, nasty, messy emotions!! give me more of these moments lmao and surprisingly, i felt like i understood this movie through keisuke's perspective, and his character was also the most striking to me.
Seeing this movie in theaters was an experience in itself. Every shot looked like a work of art and the music was paired beautifully that I basically almost cried by hearing the song when they are holding hands and falling from the sky. It was such an emotionally expressive movie that had me wanting more and the little small talk/jokes here in there felt like it gave the movie room to breathe due to the tense feel of the movie towards the end. Overall I definitely enjoyed this movie and thought it was an improvement from Your Name for sure. Being into Photography/Videography and also having a passion for music made me appreciate every little detail that this movie had to offer. From the framing to the timing of the songs and where they were placed and how they were mixed made this movie even better than it already was. I definitely recommend people watch it if they have the chance
I really felt the part with your brother. When I watched this movie in theaters some people were chuckling at some very emotional and sad parts of the movie and it made me kinda angry lmao
Here let me explain.. First.. When Hodaka and Hina met Taki and his Grandma at Taki's Grandma House for the 'sunshine', Taki isn't meet Mitsuha YET (So does Mitsuha - when Hodaka bought a ring for Hina) Second.. When the part/day of Hina, Hodaka and Nagi make 'sunshine' for Suga-san and his daughter at the Park. IS the same part when Taki on the train seeing shilhuotte/figure of Mitsuha (that he don't know yet), taking much job interview Taki said "We never know when Tokyo will be disappear" (Of course Taki said that because it's STILL raining after all) and then Taki met his friends at Cafe, after that he met Okudera. BECAUSE IT'S STILL THE SAME DAY, there's rain again after Hodaka and Hina saying goodbye with Suga-san and his daughter. Third.. STILL AT THE SAME DAY, we know Hodaka is searching by the Police at Hina's house, and then they decide to runaway. When the part Hodaka, Hina and Nagi runaway at night, it's still raining, and then IT'S STARTING TO SNOWING THIS TIME. When it's snowing, Taki and Mitsuha passed at the bridge without knowing each other. And then Hina and Hodaka FINALLY got hotel to stay, and we know what the story when they in hotel include the moment when Hina gone after midnight. Fourth.. The day of Hina gone, the weather is back to normal again (and the Sun appear). ONCE AGAIN we know the incident Hodaka searching for Hina. IT'S THE SAME DAY TOO when finally Taki and Mitsuha met at stairs and asking their name (if you stay sharp, the road still wet cause rain the day before) Fifth and the last.. 3 years after the incident of Hodaka and Hina, Hodaka went to Taki's appartment and met Taki's Grandma again and talked about the history of Japan itself. If you look closely, Taki's Grandma wearing Mitsuha's hair ribbon as bracelet (yeah that indicates Taki and Mitsuha finally married). And after that, finally too for Hina and Hodaka meet again. And they exactly in the same universe (even is not a sequel). That's Musubi after all :)
Maybe it's because I feel so strongly about the necessity of making sacrifices for the benefit of mankind, that I can't swallow what Shinkai is selling about prioritizing your own needs allowing the world to get fucked. Great visual spectacle but the narrative just doesn't click with me. I shook my head, thought wtf, and carried on with my day.
Well, using my own justification and that of another fellow commenter: I really don’t think you can bash Hodaka too much about his decision, for two main reasons: (My point) 1. The Sunshine Girl Job, they’ve been keeping at it for who-knows-how-long, making the residents of Tokyo happy, but at their own expense, because they’ve been doing it so much, Hina disappears, and Hodaka and Nagi both go blind with desperation, both of them wanting to bring Hina back no matter what even going so far as to attack anyone who tries to stop them. They’ve already done so much for Tokyo at their own expense, so i honestly feel like the roles reversing at the end was justified, with Hina, Hodaka, and Nagi finally being able to spend time with the ones they love, even though it eventually floods all of Tokyo, and in a sense, all they’re really doing is getting fair compensation for all the crap they ended up going through by bringing joy to Tokyo (Other guy’s point) 2.The shit they all ended up going through in Tokyo before they met each other. Think about it, Hodaka attempts to live in Tokyo, unemployed and basically living on the streets, while no one even lifts a finger to help him (aside from Hina and Suga of course), and some of the only contact he’s had with people in tokyo were either him getting Belittled and Insulted, or just straight up getting ignored, and it’s only when he goes to Suga (who, let me remind you, he met through pure luck, it’s not like he knew the guy before his boat ride) that he actually had a place to live. There isn’t much i can really say about Hina in this point since she decided on her own to fend for herself and Nagi instead of going to the police, but this point is mainly about Hodaka anyway so let’s get back to it, honestly, the ending is a rather poetic way of society’s weakest taking revenge on the elites who failed to help them or even acknowledge them, with Hodaka (who, since the start of the film, was one of the weakest members of society in Tokyo) doing what he wants and saving Hina, at the expense of the city and the people that threw so much crap his way before meeting up with his friends. Plus, the young can’t be expected to shoulder the burden the old ones left behind, in the sense that, sacrificing Hina, a young girl who isn’t even an adult and has so much ahead of her, for the sake of everyone in Tokyo isn’t exactly fair either
I was hit by a flucking train when I found out that she was only 15. I could relate to the hero more than I did in the whole film before and after that. the feeling of being useless
Seen the movie 3 times in theater since the release in my country(15 january). My friends didn't went with me so i had no one to talk about it. Watching this video and the commentary right now is such a relief.
20:46 _and_ when he fires the gun, he's potentially _throwing his whole life away._ If you didn't know, the sentence for discharging a firearm in public in Japan is *life in prison.* Owning a semi/fully automatic firearm in Japan is a *10 year prison sentence.*
I felt the opposite as you described concerning Your Name vs Weathering With You for the same reasons which put Your Name above it for me. That's crazy how it's for the same reasons but in reverse. I saw it in theaters so it may need a personal re-watch. Love the analysis.
Just got home from seeing this movie with a coworker a few hours ago and about half way through became my favorite movie ever, visuals were amazing and as i do with good movies i watch review to catch some things i didnt while just watching to enjoy it, i honestly didnt think water could loom that good
At first i took the movie's main message in a negative light, but after reaching the spoiler section of this review along with some reflection on the film, it sits closer to home than when i first thought, and it's a good approach to this theme, not only that but the movie also teaches and reminds me that the decisions we make will always have consequences, bar none.
To start, I loved Your Name when I first saw it, pirated with friends on a shitty review copy, and saw it both in Sub and Dub when it came to my local theater. That being said, I also found myself in love with Weathering with You, slightly more than Your Name, just for the chemistry between the two main characters, as well as what you said about how the side characters feel much more fleshed out. One thing that I do like was that much like how in Your Name, Shinkai communicates the information that Taki dreams of being an architect based on his room and belongings long before we see him drawing anything, Hodoka in the boat scene that introduces him shows what little he brought with him, a copy of Catcher in the Rye is one of them. This fact is one I never let go of through out the movie, and it definitely helped me see what Hodoka is/was going through during the film. A lot of things about Hodoka's experience do parallel things in the book, like getting beaten up by someone in the business of using women, being a lost teenager in a large metropolitan city with an ever dwindeling supply of cash, and ultimately finding something that seems worth returning to the life they dislike just to tough it out, as well as some others that someone might draw.
This is my favorite film of all time. Now, granted I don't watch many movies and most of my viewing is anime, but this one strikes something special with me. I know from an objective standpoint that in terms of writing the individual elements don't stack up to other series I hold in equally high regard, but subjectively, it all just works for me. This and Your Name are the only two things I've seen that can propel writing that is just decent into something tear-jerking through beautiful art and music. It's all down to execution. As stated by Shammy in his Titanfall 2 review: "Stories are a lot like jokes because the quality of every single factor is entirely dependent on the way that it's delivered. A bad joke told well can get a big laugh while a great joke told poorly will more often than not just leave everyone feeling a bit uncomfortable." For me, this is a decent joke with god-like execution. The music, the animation, the backgrounds, it all never fails to make me smile or put tears in my eyes. I have friends that like these movies and friends that don't and both me and the friends that don't have gotten sick of the debate. So I think the enjoyment of these films is entirely down to the kind of viewer watching them. Are you looking for a good joke that's well-executed, or are you happy with a really good pun? Neither is the correct way to enjoy a film, but I love me some puns.
The thing I love most is that you can point out how Hodaka doesn't need a specific reason to run away from home. Most people who see Weathering With You must have already seen Your Name. Just apply Mitsuha's situation, add Hodaka's compulsy nature, and we have a boy running away.
Not specifying why Hodaka ran away works for the movie. It solidifies his nature and character of a wandering teen without giving us the "parents/school bad" angle we've seen the thousandth time. Especially with the bold ending.
This is my first Shinkai film and I think now I'm gonna go back and watch them in chronological order because the story of his growth as a director seems as interesting as his movies!
For me, this movie is about our choice to live in 1 of 2 worlds: A world of sunny blue skies but filled with regret or a world where it never stops raining but we live without regrets. We can choose to please people with sunny skies but we will be untrue to ourselves or rather, we can choose to not care what people think and let it rain, but be true to ourselves.
I still haven't watched this movie, but now I'm so blown away by how similar shinkai's position regarding weather changes and apocalypse is to mine that I know I'm gonna like it a lot
I think the movie also focuses on how society has unreasonable expectation of the younger generation and places burdens on them. The move shows that adults are okay with sacrificing the few for the many while the younger generation is not okay with that concept. Also, only adults seem to be the forces who are against the main protagonists (who are young).
The disparity in these comments really go to show why Shinkai stated that he wondered how people would react to Hodaka's choice in the end quite well. This type of "controversy" is definitely what he wanted.
I think the controversy is a good thing. This is a conversation that I think needs to be had as the effects of climate change are becoming more tangible.
This film was amazing and when I walked out of the theater it was one of the heaviest downpours in my area in a long time which just made it that much more poignant. Also, that moment in that song at the was such a crescendo it was ridiculously well engineered!
I hated Hodoka and still kinda do but this review really opened my eyes to the ending. It really helped me understand why Hodoka did what he did it even if I still dont agree with it.
When you live in Australia and the Konosuba movie comes into cinemas on Jan 30. When you live in Australia (Brisbane) and 3 people were at the premier of Fate/stay night Heaven's feel 2, and you know the other 2 weebs there.
@@PlebCentre lol I went to see Mirai last year with the boys but there were like 10 people in the theater and It was so frustrating. But hey, at least you get to see the movies relatively faster than we, so I'm a little jealous in that regard. PD: Forget that last part, It seems we're not so far apart from the konosuba premiere as I thought we were. I wish for you and the other 3 weebs good luck.
I love this film with all my soul. If Your Name didn't exist, no one would be hating on it. I think it is the better film. Better characters, straight forward plot, thought provoking ending, arguably better music (I think Your Name had a better score, but the songs that were written for Weathering With You, specifically Celebration and Grand Escape beat anything in Your Name), and significantly improved animation.
That argument is flawed. If Your Name didn’t exist, this film wouldn’t exist either. Shinkai aims to improve his work with every movie, so every single movie in his series needs to exist in order for the next one to be better.
@@RailwayScholar no, I don't really think you can speculate that this movie has a 0% chance of existing without your name. That would take some serious metaphysical knowledge that we, as humans, do not possess. I'm mostly yanking your chain. My point still stands, however.
@@Rylai_xiv At least Tenki no Ko would be different in some way. And no one is actually hating on it, there are simply arguments that Your Name was better in some regards. I, for example, think that the happy end in in Your Name was way more satisfying than the "Happy" End in Tenki no Ko. Sure, the main protagonists reunited and probably lived on happily, but in order to be satisfied with that, you'd have to forget the consequences that "tokyo getting flooded" would actually bring with, and the suffering that comes with it. And for people, who wouldn't choose are personally beneficial option over an altruistic one in real life, this ending can feel very bittersweet, but more bitter than sweet. Your Name delivered on both the altruistic success and the happy reunion of the main characters. This was only one example, of course, but i hope it carried the message across.
@@RailwayScholar You and I just see that differently. The idyllic ending of Your Name was super feel good and hard not to love and probably more of a crowd pleaser for sure. But I liked the bittersweetness of WWY and the fact that it was a bit more of a thinker than YN.
@@Austinator0630 well isn't that what makes things worth while? everything will be forgotten in time but as long as its still there in your head for that short amount of time it still made an impact of some sort which is basically what life is, a beautiful fleeting memory
Thank God, my brothers thought I was crazy for preferring this over Your Name. I gotta say, even if I still personally prefer Garden of Words a little more, this movie is still amazing. It definitely has by far Shinkai's best cast of characters. Especially Hodoka, who felt so unique in comparison to the other protagonists of his works, with his determination and go getter attitude and such. I also appreciated the symbolism in how the weather correlated with the characters emotions, like how it would get cold and snowy when they were lost and abandoned, or how the sunshine felt too intense and overbearing after Hina sacrificed herself. Overall great movie, I'd give it an _I want to plow Natsumi's asscheeks into Oblivion_ out of ten.
Your name made me cry, Weathering with you didn’t. Well, almost, but just at the thought that in the future humanity will just let climate change happen without giving a fuck. That’s really depressing.
Weathering with you has an edge over your name its just people can't relate and didn't understand the story thats why they didn't like this movie that much
@@RailwayScholar II mean, I'm pretty sure what Shinkai means, that we as humanity have stretched too far, Tokyo was never meant to be as big as it was and isn't meant to last, eventually, rising sea levels, or another reason will have Tokyo drowned out. We should care about climate change, but there are just things we can't stop anymore, like the rising sea levels, and the sudden fast changes in weather. There's not much we can do now, as that has already been set in motion.
I understand the meaning, of being about climate and being selfish and fighting for love. But it doesn't help that you see people living in Tokyo... So when it finally gets sunk in from the rain, it didn't sit right with me...
8:13 “But in this film, Shinkai isn’t just harkening to an obvious past experience that he must’ve had as a young gay man that made their way in Tokyo…” Wait, is Shinkai gay? Isn’t he married with a kid?
@@Trixiethegoldenwitch oh okay. Wow. My hearing is twisted then lmao. So sorry! But I really thought it was what I thought it sounded like! That makes more sense now! Thank you for clarifying!
Interesting video. I definitely see the merit in what you had to say and can’t even argue with your take, but for whatever reason, I wasn’t vibing with the film too hard. It might be sleeker than Your Name but I didn’t find it as effective personally, if for no other reason Your Name came first, which isn’t the most fair criticism I suppose but the subjective effect on me regardless. It was pretty fun and cute though
I think Taki and Mitsuha met on the morning of Hina’s disappearance cause it shows the entire city is sunny but there are puddles in some shots so it suggests rain from the night before.
I enjoyed the first 80%. The character dynamics were fun, if a little shallow; I don't know why you say the pacing was 'tight,' as I thought it was anything *but.* It meandered all OVER the place as Hodaka sees more of Tokyo, meets the rest of the cast, etc. which is great fun, but there are multiple periods of time where there is literally nothing going on, i.e. no expectation of what we're going to be seeing next (what is the plan?). The movie was stupidly pretty, almost to its detriment; when there's never a bad cut I sometimes forget to appreciate just how good something looks, lol. I also agree with someone here who mentioned the beauty of the weather almost working against the themes; the rain never really feels dangerous, even when we're shown people getting their cars stuck, etc. And that kind of leads into my big problem, which is that the film's depiction of disaster strikes me as frankly irresponsible. Like, the entire city of Tokyo is flooded. We never see a single person die or even get *injured.* That just isn't how large-scale disasters work. It feels like Shinkai is trying to excuse Hodaka's decision at the end and make us hate him less by not showing us what the ACTUAL consequences of letting the city sink would be, i.e. probably hundreds (thousands?) dead and thousands (millions?) more displaced, not to mention the property damage, etc. It's one thing to choose to be selfish when taking the selfless action isn't certain to succeed, or the selfless action isn't necessarily clear, it's another to literally just say "fuck you" to all of Tokyo because you've got yours. That's not impressive or interesting to me, it just makes me want to browbeat Hodaka into doing the right thing. He comes off as nothing more or less than a dumb kid making dumb kid decisions, but the music swells and we're supposed to be happy that a child has ruined the lives of countless people so he could be with a person he knew for like a couple months. And this isn't even really me reading into it, the literal text of the end of the film is Hodaka saying "Nah, this isn't just how it was gonna turn out, I chose this on purpose and could have chosen differently. Sweet!" Two thumbs down from me. (The whole no-real-consequences thing makes the deliberate inclusion of Taki and Mitsuha and the rest of the Your Name cast into the background especially interesting to me, because it actually HELPS us see through the illusion of "yeah but look, he's happy!" Yes, Hodaka is happy. Also, you know for a fact that all these other characters you know and love and who have nothing to do with this have suffered greatly due to his actions. Cool? Not cool. Please grow up.) I went in with purposefully low expectations, because Your Name caught me by surprise and so I loved it maybe more than it deserved. I still wanted to at least like the movie. And I did like it! And then it ended and now I hate it. Such is life.
Couldn't agree with this more. I thought that the Japanese audience would've reacted more hastily to the apparent "lack of consequences" the 2 protagonists suffer from Hodaka's decision (the complete flooding of the country's most important urban area) I mean, Japan is the country that got hit by the batshit insane earthquake and consequent tsunami (flooding) of 2011. From what I've heard from my Japanese friends, the majority of them were unsatisfied too with its ending that felt rushed and weightless. Still, I think it's Shinkai's second best movie, with Garden of Words being third and Your Name of course first.
Just because the movie had a different message from the one you want to get does not mean that it's a bad one. The movie is not about what is the best for society at large. It's about a teenager wrestling with an environment much bigger than himself, and how he makes a decision between the limited options provided to him. Your "grow up, kids" attitude is the exact thing that he was dealing with through most of the movie.
I thought that the Japanese audience would've reacted more hastily to the apparent "lack of consequences" the 2 protagonists suffer from Hodaka's decision (the complete flooding of the country's most important urban area) I mean, Japan is the country that got hit by the batshit insane earthquake and consequent tsunami (flooding) of 2011. From what I've heard from my Japanese friends, the majority of them were unsatisfied too with its ending that felt rushed and weightless. Still, I think it's Shinkai's second best movie, with Garden of Words being third and Your Name of course first.
I strongly disagree with most of your perspectives on this movie, and would basically boil my objections down to "it doesn't matter if it was more polished, because it never made me care" This is obviously just a difference in opinion, but those "sticky ideas" in Your Name are what make me still think of it, but moreover the relatable characters made me care at all about them. Some people will certainly relate to the main boy, but I didn't and he was given very little backstory, even less than Taki somehow, so while you were not bored at any point, I certainly was bored up to the point where he meets Hina and the main characters actually get to interact. On a different topic, I think Shinkai's artstyle actually hurts this movie in some ways: This might sound strange, but I think this is one of the movies larger problems: Shinkai makes everything look too pretty. There are some locations in this movie that are not supposed to look inviting. Weather is sometimes supposed to be threatening in this movie but it rarely looks anything but pretty. The scenes that are supposed to be beautiful and positive are when the sun comes out, and for these the beauty of the scenes works very well. But flooding is hard to take seriously when the water is beautiful and crystal-clear. Real flooding is dirty and full of debris, not beautiful Shinkai-weather. The moment in the movie where the big ball of water explodes on some guys was used in shinkai's interview while he was talking about water being dangerous. That was almost a comedy scene. Basically, I think a lot of things in this movie made the theming not actually hit home, even if it was consistent. But I've said enough here on a rant, I also saw this early screening and I'm making a review video of this. Maybe i'll make you review my review in a rant to give myself a signal boost. It will get you money so you probably wouldn't object to that. TL;DR I am definitely a person who loves Your Name for what it is and this movie was not that. I like messy over refined.
I don't know how you can make a concept like rain even look more aggressive both visually and audibly than in this movie. Once again what the hell are you talking about?
@@hata1499 Look up any image of flooding. You will see brown, ugly water and property damage. In this movie, water floods in a window into a basement apartment, but it's perfectly clean and the scene is played for laughs. It's asking a lot of the audience to show heavy rain as nothing more than an inconvenience for most of the film and then swerve to permanently flooding an entire region. The reveal of a disaster that ruined a city 3 years in the past when the protagonist went looking for a girl was an extremely powerful reveal in Your Name. In this movie, the ending shot of a city whose fate was sealed 3 years into the past which the protagonist is returning to looking for a girl has no weight.
What you dislike about Shinkai's art style, is actually exactly what I love about it. He manages to find the beauty in every scene, even the ugly and terrifying ones. I think Miyazaki also did this (in a different style) as well... even trash erupting from the river spirit in Spirited away is beautiful! Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, so you may of course disagree. But I love noticing the beauties in the details in their works... I grew up in a pretty trashed desert area (which I love!) so I grew to find the small beautiful things amidst the sand and trash and poverty. Maybe in part from the influence of Miyazaki's films...
@@dominicjannazo7144 Brown and ugly water would not fit the color palette of the movie at all. The colors are used very consciously. In fact the movie shows so much Gray and Blue that the small green at the end when they tread along the street after all the flowers are blooming because of the relentless rain causing vegetation to sprout is the stronger afterimage. You are actually made to hate the town in the entire movie and appreciate nature instead. The story is framed that the fate of the town with all its inhabitants doesn't faze you, because you are preoccupied with the main characters. Thats the kind of story sekaikei tries to tell.
For me, I felt like Hina's character was very bland and dull compare to the other characters. I felt the only time she showed real emotion was in the scene when she was in the hotel explaining to Hidaka that she was disappearing. I felt like the side characters were actually more engaging and had more personality than her and you could relate to the side characters a bit more. But this is just my opinion and overall I really enjoyed the movie.
I think part of that had been the point since for most of the movie Hina was pretending to be more mature, thus taking on a personality and way of acting that she saw as fitting for the age she claimed to be. It's definitely true that the internal thoughts of Hina were less focused on than Hodaka or maybe even side characters such as Keisuke, but for me, her not showing as much weakness beforehand made the hotel scene as well as the later revelation of her real age more impactful as they reveal her true vulnerability.
It is bland and dull because there is no solid back story about her. Only her little brother explains it which isn't good if you tell it in the middle of the movie. It may work if they explain it in the beginning. So that the audience initially care for her. The problem is that the story focus on Hodaka in first half and then Hina on the last half. A bad choice of story phasing.
When I watched weathering with you, the ending hit me in that the movie supported the philosophy of prioritizing one's self happiness over the well-being of the larger community by having them reunite. It was so human and genuine, and made this film stand out in the world of anime where endings generally benefitted everyone and self-sacrifice was celebrated.
I think this hits even more hard with Japanese culture which is based on collectivism, rather than individualism. I suspect that being exposed to the philosophy of: "we're all going to die anyways, make sure that YOU'RE happy throughout the previous life that you have"
Definitely. Got the bluray to revisit the movie and I definitely see all of this. A big reason why it really got me hooked in the first place.
prioritizing one's self happiness over the well-being of the larger community HAHAHAHA ok sure
Yes, Weathering With You is more “human” than Your Name. Your Name is a great movie and the twists are one of a kind but I felt and related more with weathering with you.
I dunno, but I felt more with Hodaka and Hina’s predicament than with Taki and Mitsuha’s. Hodaka running away from home, how it was his first great meal, how Hina and her brother are orphans at such a young age... everything felt so cruel just like how life is. Then there’s Suga who’s torn between acting on his empathy with Hodaka’s situation and his visiting rights to his daughter.
Then that scene at the motel/hotel while three underage kids are so happy is also gut wrenching. More so when Hodaka thought “If there is a God in this world, please let us stay like this forever.” I felt the hopelessness of their situation.
I would happily give up my happiness and life to keep other innocent souls happy. Yes ofcourse I want to be happy ,I want to live,and pain hurts and I never want it but if it the cost for many peoples happiness ,then it is worth it and I aggree to give it up
"It's not worth losing the battle for your own happiness to protect the temporary state of an evolvingly difficult world."
Whoa.
Is this a quote from the movie or just straight Digibro? I'd like to attribute it correctly if/when I post it somewhere.
@@TR0_V3R it was all him.
The problem with that is the movie shows you the direct impact of that choice down to how it hits characters we have directly met.
We see characters we have met and bonded with previously forced to move from their old home. It is played as "fine", but it confirms this is something that had to happen.
Here's the problem with that. Not everyone can afford to "just move". Especially since Aquaman isn't gonna buy your old house and apparently the government isn't helping.
This is ESPECIALLY problematic in a movie that went out of its way to show poor people struggling as its two leads. It is the Stormtrooper paradox. You can't off-screen the fodder of your plot after drawing SPECIFIC attention to them.
It makes the whole decision a lot harder to swallow. The review says Honoka and Hina feel the weight of their decision, but... well, no. They definitely don't. No human can possibly understand the scale of genocide and remain sane.
Also, the idea that "there's no saving the future" and you should "just do what makes you happy" ignores that people can only live that way because other people DO have to make sacrifices. If the world was filled with people like Honoka, we would all die in a week and no one would get to live fairy tale endings with their magical girlfriends.
@@DairunCates Yeah, that bugged me too. There's also the fact that Tokyo wouldn't be the only place affected by this. With it raining nonstop 24/7 all year every year, all that water isn't going to stay in just one spot. It has to go somewhere. Now people in other countries, all around the world, who have no idea what's going and don't know anything about weather girls will be forced to abandon their homes and jobs or whatever have them. The water will keep rising and rising until everything is submerged. People might build ships and such, but not everyone will fit in them. There would be riots, fights, and bloodshed over who gets to board.
They keep calling this movie all the wonderful things like "beautiful, a masterpiece, a smash hit." I may agree that certain things about this movie are indeed beautiful, but at the same time I think to myself: Is nobody going to talk about the fact that this boy single-handedly doomed the entire planet all because he couldn't live without his girl? That may seem harsh, but I have to call it like I see it. Good to know I'm not alone in that department.
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Completely agree with the analysis. I see a lot of people complaining that Weathering was too similar to Your Name.... but, like, have any of those people watched an earlier Shinkai film before? Your Name cops more from 5 Centimeters than this film ever could from Your Name. Shinkai is trying to tell the same story over and over in different and better ways, building off of his successes. This film is not only more entertaining than Your Name, but is more thematically poignant, emotionally resonant, and is just a better looking movie in both direction and art quality.
d0wns0wth 5 centimeters per second one of my favorite films of all time true that your name took more elements from that movie then weathering with you did with your name
Also I like that weathering with you brought a more darker setting I mean cops club service and stuff, and I mean the detectives were about to shoot the mc for Christ sake it was an interesting turn of setting
No it dosnt copy 5 centimeters per second
Hard disagree. I've been following Makoto Shinkai's career for years now and seen all his movies, and Weathering With You is the first time one of his movies has felt so similar to a previous work (and yeah Shinkai's work all overlap in multiple ways but never to this extent). This truly and honestly feels like the second installment in a new Shinkai era, an obvious post-Your Name work. To clarify, I don't think this is bad. Weathering With You is a great movie, better than Your Name in my opinion, and among his best for sure. I do think it would have been better had it diverged more from the Your Name template, and there was certainly a sense of riding that hype train even including the protagonists of those movies as cameos, but overall it is a good thing that it takes what Your Name did and attempts, and mosty succeeds, to refine it.
Anyway, what makes Weathering With You so much more similar to Your Name, than say, Your Name to 5 cm per second, is that it has the exact same story structure. Boy meets girl, boy connects with girl through supernatural force - boy and girl have fun with this supernatural force while slowly falling in love - supernatural force fucks them over, girl disappears - climax of the movie is the simultaneous reunion of the two and a grappling with a grand-scale natural disaster somehow related to the supernatural force - after the climax, the two seperate - movie ends with a happy reunion, years after the climax. The big difference between the two is how they pace this structure, and Weathering With You's big emphasis on the male lead's solitary struggles prior to meeting the girl. Also Weathering With You devotes more time (or just does it better idk) to side characters.
All of Shinkai's previous works had very different story structures. 5 cm per seconds had a bizarre structure, where the film is divided over three "chapters" , of which the first is by far the meatiest, the second largely irrelevant and the third mostly a music video. In Weathering With You, the exact same story structure of Your Name is used, and this combined with a lot of other characteristic features of that movie - thematic elements, Shinkai motifs, same character designs, same setting, similar directing tricks, similar emphasis on comedic timing, similar sense of sound design/music, similar emphasis on comedy/drama distribution, similar sense of pacing using montage scenes (though Weathering With You is a lot better) etc. etc. you get the point.
@@UubTay so true this deserves a 👍
Oh god those flash transitions murder my eyes
got seizures?
I found Weathering with You was such a better, more beautiful, funny, compelling and touching movie than Your Name and I found it hard to explain why in objective terms. Now this video has made it all so clear. I'm just going to send it to people as a detailed explanation. This is amazing content, thank you for this!
@Mythicdragon666 Y ??? Really so negative
@Mythicdragon666 Y IMO weathering with you is more touching bcz i can relate to the main character very much and the way the show show's the rommance is beautifull
@@darrenmurianto right
Debatable, depends on personal taste in film. For example, I agree WWY has better developed side characters but I think YN has a better plot twist.
@@Drifter1989 yeah definitely more deep and impactful the plot of your name weatng with you s plot is like to just keep you watching u know
This movie is the most realistic depiction tokyo I've seen, coming from experience
Waitttttt so is it true Tokyo is under water??
Life is sad
@@smogblazer4509 I have money to go but Covid lockdown in the US
I was definitly like "I FUCKING KNEW YALL WERE POOR TOO YOU LITTLE SHITS" The entire time. So it felt like a side of Japan thag anime really tries to pretend dosent exist.
*Spoilers in this comment*
The message I took away from this film is that the young should not be expected to shoulder the burden left to them by adults. The decision at the end can be seen as selfish, but given the experiences they had of Tokyo and what it had one to them I fully understand their decision. In many ways I liken this film to Atlantis, a city sunk by the gods for it's hubris. Tokyo was sunk because it failed to address the needs of it's most vulnerable members, very much sunk by it's hubris.
Also that bit at the end theorising about Shinkia's own experiences makes me wonder if the end of Weathering with You is a bit of a middle finger at the situation in his youth. If he truly was ripped apart from first love having a message telling kids to pretty much let the world burn to find that happiness seems like a pretty on the nose way of saying "screw those who try to take this from you."
Bro...you’re actually a genius...and if i could, i’d add 1000 likes to this comment myself if i could
I always figured the best way to justify hodaka’s actions was that they had already done so much for Tokyo (with all the Sunshine Girl stuff), and at their own expense (Hina disappears, Nagi and Hodaka lose someone dear to them) and it was time for them to finally have happiness of their own at tokyo’s expense for a change, but i never once considered what Hina and Hodaka had gone through in Tokyo, the ending’s a rather poetic way of letting society’s weakest take revenge on the elites who neglected and failed to care for them
I dont think many get the point.
Even without sunshine girl,weather will go back to normal.
The weather started to became more erratic after she started using her powers more often.
So yeah.they created the problem in first place and instead of solving it they screwed it more.
But hey what I understood from movie is
1)hodoka skimping over girl and caused more problems that was actually not there in first place.
2)people still used sunshine girl even though older generation knew the consequences of overusing sunshine girl.i mean you cant say many people not know it but even with supernatural going around them?
For me despite the simping and over plotholes and screwing and killing people for problems they created in firstplace
Its human greed.
I personally prefer Your Name to this but I completely get your points. Weathering With You does a great job communicating that the characters are far from perfect and that even though Hodaka’s decision has huge ramifications for the world around him, it is very, very thought provoking. Thanks for opening my eyes even more to this film’s good qualities.
18:10 had me in tears of laughter, I love how media outlets are trying to act as though this is a climate change pro activism awareness movie but at the end of the day the main character bloody chose to flood the whole of Tokyo and its a happy ending lmao (Also please keep in mind I love the movie, I am getting the collectors edition in 4k and this is one of my fav movies)
I haven't gotten there in the video yet but yeaj, I actually took this film as being outright climate change denial, what with "the records only go back 100 years", "this crazy weather is nothing out of the ordinary", and "Tokyo used to be under water before so if it's going underwater again there's nothing unnatural about that". The kids make huge sacrifices to fight literal climate change before coming to the conclusion that there was never a problem and that they can live their lives care-free.
Khazuki
No offense sir/ma'am/[insert preferred title here] but you're overthinking "that shit". There's no climate denial in the movie, it's all metaphorical.
@@Khazuki_ Shinkai mentioned in an interview that there are indeed references to climate change and rising sea levels in Weathering With You. That he believes it's a legitimate danger. Shinkai's movies have had a pattern of appreciating the beauty of nature and has many breathtaking shots of its scenery, similar to how Miyazaki often incorporates environmentalist themes in his movies as well. There's absolutely no climate change denial here.
where is the correlation? hodaka letting tokyo become flooded by neverending rain is the complete opposite of climate change denial, if anything the fact that the idea of it is even included indicates an awareness for it. not caring/accepting that tokyo is flooded isn't denial of climate change but rather a confirmation for it. the movie emphasizes the bleak reality of climate change/rising sea levels by letting tokyo slowly become submerged under water. shinkai even talks about this in an interview
@@soobinhowcanyounotlovekai7725 *Man-made climate change. The characters who are presented as being "right", who give the protagonists a different perspective that motivates them to change their priorities, behavior, etc, assure them that this is nothing unnatural, and nothing that anyone should be burdened with trying to fight against
Brilliant breakdown Digi. One of your best ever in my opinion. As much i love your rants and your streams, prepared long form analysis is where you truly shine, since it allows you to show off your writing ability. I've missed videos like this
I saw it in Theater with my fiance over the weekend, and we both greatly enjoyed it. After it was over though, we both were thinking that, for a film that's so obviously about climate change, the message that it has about it was rather unexpected. Also, I don't know how to feel about the main character's decision. The lengths he goes to in order to save the girl really sell it, and his happy ending feels earned. On the other hand, he literliterally doomed all of Tokyo, and the consequences of that don't really get explored.
True, the most we see is that the only mode for travel is by ferry, and not many buildings are left that can be used. However, while I do understand that this isn't your claim exactly, the exclusion of exploring those consequences is potentially better off for the film then otherwise. The film is pretty tight in its writing, and to add to that might disrupt the emotional journey at the end of the movie to its detriment. Perhaps another movie in this universe could amend that, though how'd you pull that off is a wonder to me.
Tokyo was meant to be flooded anyways, hina wasn't the maiden anymore. I mean, there's a next maiden which means that if Hina dies, the sunshine will only be temporary until the next maiden. Also, if I was Hodaka, I'd do the same.
Me: *reads the subs*
My dad: this is to fast
Me: *PATHETIC*
3 lines of subs is nothing
@@Gadottinho Lol
I got a weathering with you ad before this vid
Uncanny
NO WAY SAME BRO WTF
Same, since I saw it yesterday in theaters, I also keep getting banner adds for it on any video I watch.
Hi there
I got a beer ad
12:55 ngl this made my respect for Hodoka to immediately go from fairly decent to sky high. His statement made the last act of the movie for me
Thank you for giving me a different perspective on the movie, Digibro! I spent the entire movie trying to figure out what Shinkai was saying about climate change, and was really disappointed when it seemed like he was saying, “We aren’t responsible and can’t do anything about it.” But you describing his past patterns of motif made me realize that he saying this from an older generation’s perspective - as if telling the children of today, “You aren’t responsible for this, even if it sucks. We don’t deserve you to save us. So please just protect the ones you love and live your youth without regrets.” At the end of the day, I don’t know if I agree with his message 100% - because even if the children today aren’t responsible, we have to deal with the consequences. But I can now see that Shinkai is coming from a place of compassion.
I just saw this movie the day of this video and immediately looked for an in depth look at the movie and couldn't find one.... Until now. Thanks Digi for covering nearly everything I care about!👍
putting aside everything else, the thing i'll remember the most is how I fcking loved the youth spirit of " you can do anything" opposed to adults who are actually more grounded on the reality of things, stopping them to even try to imagine changing things as possible. The plot of senpai and his friends to escape the police and go to help MC was just hilarious, and i fcking loved the character, and the relation he had with MC. I already quite liked in Your Name the comedy on the side charachters, such as Yuzuha, the imouto, but I think he did really great on this one.
For sure, the side cast was super lovable and memorable. I think that is what made me more fond of the story while I watched it, because the story didn't feel too focused on the MCs to the point where other characters are just not involved. I actually got pretty emotional watching this.
How does this man make amazing and well written videos like this in like two days? You are a great dude Digi!
Years of working on his craft, of course.
I love that you enjoyed this film, because it's definitely my new favourite of Shinkai's works, and I enjoyed it for similar reasons. Thanks for the validation my man
The music was bomb af!!!! I'm so glad there were silences & pauses in the audio, made me appreciate the story so much more 💛💛💛
One thing I like is the major focus on choice and both how meaningless it is as well as how much deep meaning it has. Yeah, he chose Hina over the city (not the people, the city; this feels like something some don't notice), but people don't seem to care or even recognize that his actions were so world-changing. For all his guilt and shame at having destroyed the city, kids are still playing in the streets like it's nothing. The film even goes out of its way at times to show different perspectives to demonstrate this difference. Hodaka running on the railway looks awesome, a desperate hero racing to save the girl, but take just a few steps back from the tracks and you've got tons of people going about their day and casually looking up and wondering what that idiot's doing jogging on the train tracks. After having made that momentous decision, and then hearing various people reassure him that no, his decision wasn't near as devastating as he thinks (heck, Keisuke's relationship with his daughter seems to be doing great, and she doesn't even seem uncomfortable), even as he's thinking of trying to assure Hina and himself that their decision doesn't mean that much, one look at her and he knows from the bottom of his heart that they did indeed change the world. Even if circumstances would've moved this direction anyway, it doesn't change the fact that he chose her, that they chose this world, but that's okay. It's kind of a hard thing to take, looking at once at how meaningless your path and your decisions are, and how every choice you make does indeed mean everything.
There where multiple times in this movie when I just went, ok makoto you just showing off now, the fireworks scene, anything that has to do with the clouds and the motorcycle chase where some of the best animated scenes I have EVER scene, god they where beautiful
The rotorscoped scenes were more amazing
Got to see this movie twice now, first subbed then the dub with some friends. For as much as critics are hailing this as more emotionally impactful than Your Name, I think that Shinkai adequately tempered the depressing story elements with stabs of playful humor or hopeful optimism (looking at you, Nagi). I think back to *SPOILER*
After the 3 finally find a hotel that would put them up for the night, they all exhaustedly collapse to the floor in front of the door and start cracking up laughing. After they literally started a potentially dangerous car fire in a busy city square by SUMMONING LIGHTNING. That portrayal of emotionally charged adolescent recklessness was spot-on and an interesting change of pace for Shinkai's characters, Shinkai protagonists even!
I will say though - the first time I saw this movie I knew absolutely nothing about it, no trailer no promo material nothing. That scene of Hodaka biting into a free burger that a stranger gave him out of pity after living in complete squalor for 3 days...I *involuntarily* started crying. No idea where that came from but I think it must have conjured a sort of stinging, vague memory of my own troubled childhood. 8/10 Garden of Words is still his best movie and POST!
And you never bothered to ask yourself why he ran away from home? If not, I’ll tell you. His father was an abusive piece of shit and his school was chaining him down.
When I saw that Burger scene I just thought “DAMMMNN, probably least subtle product placement ever.”
The ending was sort of an antithesis to the ending of Your Name where they ended up saving hundreds of people from Itomori and changing history. I guess we could say, the submersion of Tokyo was inevitable anyway only that the decisions of Horuka and Hina hastened what was bound to happen in the future. I would say that Horuka's decision to save Hina for his own happiness was selfish. Hina's sacrifice would have prolonged a habitable Tokyo for the millions of people living there and the happiness of those wanting sunshine like those who hired their services to begin with. Another lesson would be, if something is too good to be true, it must have dire consequences in the end. Horuka and Hina were just naive about that.
I can see how you feel that way.
But first, I don't think Hodaka saved Hina only for his own happiness. She sacrificed herself to save Tokyo but nobody knew it. In the grander view, everyone in history seemed comfortable with this exchange. Even Suga, someone who has known true loss in his life and generally a good dude, verbalizes this. Hodaka is rebelling against this idea.
And he doesn't do it expecting his life go well . There's a cultural difference with guns. In Japan it is absolutely not allowed and you are going to get something similar to a murder charge. That's why there is such a long pause after the firing. At first I thought, this was to emphasize Suga taking Hodaka seriously out of fear but then I realized it was acknowledgment from both of them Hodoka's life was over
Hodaka threw away his future for Hina. And then Hina's brother does too. And finally Suga, who should know what Horuka is going through more than anybody else, does the same. The will to sacrifice for someone else was returned in kind and became a chain. And that is what matters because a world built on the unacknowledged sacrifices of these sun maidens is messed up
When Hodaka prays, he prays for no more miracles but no more sacrifices. The compulsion to change things at all cost, to preserve the life we know forever, the hubris in machievellianism and abstractionism; Hodaka rejects. Live and love now. The last verse of the song when he saves her goes "we may get ahead of hard times but what good is it, a voice tells us, our love tells us? "
Very Shinto.
@@nachonachoman Hoduka isn't the smartest guy around that the younger Hina succesfully convinced him she was older.Many times Hoduka had to cry for Hina. One time he was in a police car, having just learned that Hina isnt older than him when she's only actually just turned 15 to carry that burden of sacrificing herself that nobody believed. Hina is so strong that she accepted her fate just before she got spirited away to the sky and talked about leaving Nagi to Hoduka's care. She believed it was the right thing to get their summers back. Hoduka's action was like an undoing of the selfless act that Hina accepted was going to happen. In fact, Hoduka was unsure what Hina would think if they meet again because he felt guilty. Suga who aided Hoduka's action is the greatest denier of the whole thing may actually be the biggest believer of what happened to Hoduka and Hina being true but decided to brush off Hoduka (and his own) guilt saying Hoduka's action didn't actually matter. Suga merely redeemed himself through Hoduka by helping him save a girl, when he had lost his own.
Unsung heroes and unacknowledged sacrifices are just more in tune with the real world and it happens everyday. If we come from a more Western understanding of how a satisfying ending should be, we would like an ending like Your Name. No matter how I rationalize it, Hoduka saving Hina, saved much less than what would have been saved had they just carried on without her. If something else happened that prevented Tokyo from being flooded, then I guess it would have been a good ending. Also, the flooded Tokyo in the conclusion of Weathering With You does not match the ending of Your Name where Tokyo seemed completely normal. The continuity seems to have been broken.
Hodaka's wish to save Hina was hella selfish. Also he didn't even consider sacrificing himself like Suzume in the latest movie did, for example.
I dunno, it rubbed me the wrong way. Just like some brat could be responsible for your life
@@smart.but.stupid Hoduka's not the smartest character. Hina was more mature because she initially considered that her sacrifice would save many but no! Hoduka hijacked it. I guess it was what made the ending controversial.
@@ramirreyes6414 yes, also his family conflict wasn't clear, we can just assume how bad it was until the moment he actually returned home and it didn't seem as bad (he wasn't even considered a criminal). Even the movie starts with Hodaka almost drowning just...because he likes to be out in the rain, I guess. Then, he grabs a gun and...yeah, he's definitely not smart
loved this script, loved the movie.
this was a great video, please keep making these tightly written/lightly edited projects.
we saw this movie 3 times in theaters and we absolutely loved it. Its doing incredibly well in the US it just passed 7.2 million making it a very successful anime film domestically. As a huge fan of Your Name i actually found weathering better, i thought it told a deeper more meaningful story and the fact it tells a better and more complete love story among everything else in the movie is probably the biggest reason why it passed your name for me, i liked the characters both MC and supporting characters. Overall i really think people need to go see this film its freaking beautiful, the music is amazing and is timed perfectly with its crafted scenes, this movie is a absolute gem and i am just freaking happy we are still getting high Quality Anime movies like this coming to theaters that are not from big seasonal shows etc.
This should be shown to the world
Just went to see tenki no ko again this time alone. I'm proud to say it holds up quite well and in fact I might even bump it up from my initial high 8 to a solid 9.
Lots of small details come alive on the second viewing ( *spoilers inc* ). Like how your knowledge of Keisuke's background reflects his actions and his relationship with Hodaka, Hina's small reluctance to tell Hodaka her age hints at how she hides her true self from the world, how the pendant Hina wore was actually her late mother's bracelet, a picture of a frustrated Hodaka with who I assume to be his father explains Hodaka's determination to live his new life, how absolutely gorgeous the rain effects still are, and I could go on.
I'm not much of a movie guy even for otaku related stuff like this but this marks the first time I have ever went to the theaters solo in my life. Had I seen this movie back when it released in summer 2019 I may have been inclined to call it anime movie of the decade. It is to me what kimi no na wa may have been to others: a capturing of a very specific set of themes which very much mesh with the kind person that I am. Thank you, Makoto Shinkai. And also to Radwimps for making the soundtrack of my life for the entire past week. Keep the hits coming Yojiro Noda, you bilingual beast
was finally able to watch weathering with you just finished it..ima go cry now
I was going to skip this movie if it weren't for this video because I thought Your Name was meh. I paused the video 2 minutes in because you sold me on it. I watched the movie at my local theater that night and was completely blown away. Loved every second of it. Hands down Shinkai's best film so far and I might go see it again before its US theater run is over. Of course I came back to this video after I saw the film. Thanks for another recommendation Digi!
I loved weathering with you. Too many people were looking for realism, and groundness that just isn't what makoto shinkai is about. I agree that the protagonists in Weathering with you are by far the most relatable and emotional out off his movies, and I found that I enjoyed the movie the most when I stopped trying to find rationality or logic in the movie and instead focused on the emotional rollercoaster of a story that the movie is trying to portray. The feelings and emotions encapsulated by the characters really got to me, wondering what it must feel like to love that intensely again.
Your Name is still my overall favorite makoto shinkai film, mostly due tot he sound direction and radwimp's immensely intertwined involvement with the development, but Weathering with you had my favorite characters in any of his films.
And yes, I'm commenting on this a year later, because I'm going back through your videos because I'll miss them dearly.
Stay well, b.
Great video Digibro! Solid notes that I found myself nodding to time and time again.
Hey I just wanted to say thanks for making me aware that the film is leaving theaters soon--I gotta go see it before it's too late because this looks STUNNING, I can't miss seeing this on a theater screen!! So thank you!
Watching this in full after checking out the movie in a cinema yesterday, and I have to say that it definitely helped me gain a new perspective on the film. I will definitely be re-watching both this and the movie for the next week or so.
i bawled my eyes out seeing hodaka's desperation during the police confrontation in the abandoned bldg, like damm i love raw, nasty, messy emotions!! give me more of these moments lmao and surprisingly, i felt like i understood this movie through keisuke's perspective, and his character was also the most striking to me.
Seeing this movie in theaters was an experience in itself. Every shot looked like a work of art and the music was paired beautifully that I basically almost cried by hearing the song when they are holding hands and falling from the sky. It was such an emotionally expressive movie that had me wanting more and the little small talk/jokes here in there felt like it gave the movie room to breathe due to the tense feel of the movie towards the end. Overall I definitely enjoyed this movie and thought it was an improvement from Your Name for sure. Being into Photography/Videography and also having a passion for music made me appreciate every little detail that this movie had to offer. From the framing to the timing of the songs and where they were placed and how they were mixed made this movie even better than it already was. I definitely recommend people watch it if they have the chance
“Images that deep into your subconscious”
A classic digibro vid!! I'm so excited! TH-cam just hasn't been the same. Thanks digi!
I really felt the part with your brother. When I watched this movie in theaters some people were chuckling at some very emotional and sad parts of the movie and it made me kinda angry lmao
Here let me explain..
First.. When Hodaka and Hina met Taki and his Grandma at Taki's Grandma House for the 'sunshine', Taki isn't meet Mitsuha YET (So does Mitsuha - when Hodaka bought a ring for Hina)
Second.. When the part/day of Hina, Hodaka and Nagi make 'sunshine' for Suga-san and his daughter at the Park. IS the same part when Taki on the train seeing shilhuotte/figure of Mitsuha (that he don't know yet), taking much job interview Taki said "We never know when Tokyo will be disappear" (Of course Taki said that because it's STILL raining after all) and then Taki met his friends at Cafe, after that he met Okudera. BECAUSE IT'S STILL THE SAME DAY, there's rain again after Hodaka and Hina saying goodbye with Suga-san and his daughter.
Third.. STILL AT THE SAME DAY, we know Hodaka is searching by the Police at Hina's house, and then they decide to runaway. When the part Hodaka, Hina and Nagi runaway at night, it's still raining, and then IT'S STARTING TO SNOWING THIS TIME. When it's snowing, Taki and Mitsuha passed at the bridge without knowing each other. And then Hina and Hodaka FINALLY got hotel to stay, and we know what the story when they in hotel include the moment when Hina gone after midnight.
Fourth.. The day of Hina gone, the weather is back to normal again (and the Sun appear). ONCE AGAIN we know the incident Hodaka searching for Hina. IT'S THE SAME DAY TOO when finally Taki and Mitsuha met at stairs and asking their name (if you stay sharp, the road still wet cause rain the day before)
Fifth and the last.. 3 years after the incident of Hodaka and Hina, Hodaka went to Taki's appartment and met Taki's Grandma again and talked about the history of Japan itself. If you look closely, Taki's Grandma wearing Mitsuha's hair ribbon as bracelet (yeah that indicates Taki and Mitsuha finally married). And after that, finally too for Hina and Hodaka meet again.
And they exactly in the same universe (even is not a sequel). That's Musubi after all :)
Ohhhh
"no bad shots"
*vietnam flashbacks of the overly-ambitious firework fly-through*
Defiantly sounds worth my time. The description of his other films makes me want to look into those as well.
you mean *definitely*
Maybe it's because I feel so strongly about the necessity of making sacrifices for the benefit of mankind, that I can't swallow what Shinkai is selling about prioritizing your own needs allowing the world to get fucked.
Great visual spectacle but the narrative just doesn't click with me. I shook my head, thought wtf, and carried on with my day.
Well, using my own justification and that of another fellow commenter:
I really don’t think you can bash Hodaka too much about his decision, for two main reasons:
(My point) 1. The Sunshine Girl Job, they’ve been keeping at it for who-knows-how-long, making the residents of Tokyo happy, but at their own expense, because they’ve been doing it so much, Hina disappears, and Hodaka and Nagi both go blind with desperation, both of them wanting to bring Hina back no matter what even going so far as to attack anyone who tries to stop them. They’ve already done so much for Tokyo at their own expense, so i honestly feel like the roles reversing at the end was justified, with Hina, Hodaka, and Nagi finally being able to spend time with the ones they love, even though it eventually floods all of Tokyo, and in a sense, all they’re really doing is getting fair compensation for all the crap they ended up going through by bringing joy to Tokyo
(Other guy’s point) 2.The shit they all ended up going through in Tokyo before they met each other. Think about it, Hodaka attempts to live in Tokyo, unemployed and basically living on the streets, while no one even lifts a finger to help him (aside from Hina and Suga of course), and some of the only contact he’s had with people in tokyo were either him getting Belittled and Insulted, or just straight up getting ignored, and it’s only when he goes to Suga (who, let me remind you, he met through pure luck, it’s not like he knew the guy before his boat ride) that he actually had a place to live. There isn’t much i can really say about Hina in this point since she decided on her own to fend for herself and Nagi instead of going to the police, but this point is mainly about Hodaka anyway so let’s get back to it, honestly, the ending is a rather poetic way of society’s weakest taking revenge on the elites who failed to help them or even acknowledge them, with Hodaka (who, since the start of the film, was one of the weakest members of society in Tokyo) doing what he wants and saving Hina, at the expense of the city and the people that threw so much crap his way before meeting up with his friends. Plus, the young can’t be expected to shoulder the burden the old ones left behind, in the sense that, sacrificing Hina, a young girl who isn’t even an adult and has so much ahead of her, for the sake of everyone in Tokyo isn’t exactly fair either
I was hit by a flucking train when I found out that she was only 15. I could relate to the hero more than I did in the whole film before and after that. the feeling of being useless
Seen the movie 3 times in theater since the release in my country(15 january). My friends didn't went with me so i had no one to talk about it. Watching this video and the commentary right now is such a relief.
It looks perfect. I really want too watch it. Keep up the great content!
> Your name
> normies call him 2nd Miyazaki
Normies also say that Demon Slayer is the best anime of the Decade
Normies say a lot of things
Not that I'm a elitist but never listen to normies
normalfrogs PepeLaugh
@@Tohlemiach neither of them should be in the "top 40 of all time" but they're both pretty good (demon slayer manga is also way better)
They also think watch Naruto in it's entirety even though it has like 1 or 2 good arcs
Normies also make demon slayer the highest selling manga
Thanks for including spoiler-free in the title.
20:46 _and_ when he fires the gun, he's potentially _throwing his whole life away._ If you didn't know, the sentence for discharging a firearm in public in Japan is *life in prison.* Owning a semi/fully automatic firearm in Japan is a *10 year prison sentence.*
that's whack
I really and truly agree with everything you said. So I’m going to pay you for it to reinforce that point. Thanks, Digibro!
New drinking game:
Take a shot every time Digi says "Shinkai" in the video.
Digi says Shinkai's name a lot in a video explicitly talking about a movie he directed? Get outta here, man.
Joseph Luther it’s a joke dude
@@Evan-ve5yj hahahaahahah
I felt the opposite as you described concerning Your Name vs Weathering With You for the same reasons which put Your Name above it for me. That's crazy how it's for the same reasons but in reverse. I saw it in theaters so it may need a personal re-watch. Love the analysis.
Just got home from seeing this movie with a coworker a few hours ago and about half way through became my favorite movie ever, visuals were amazing and as i do with good movies i watch review to catch some things i didnt while just watching to enjoy it, i honestly didnt think water could loom that good
At first i took the movie's main message in a negative light, but after reaching the spoiler section of this review along with some reflection on the film, it sits closer to home than when i first thought, and it's a good approach to this theme, not only that but the movie also teaches and reminds me that the decisions we make will always have consequences, bar none.
To start, I loved Your Name when I first saw it, pirated with friends on a shitty review copy, and saw it both in Sub and Dub when it came to my local theater. That being said, I also found myself in love with Weathering with You, slightly more than Your Name, just for the chemistry between the two main characters, as well as what you said about how the side characters feel much more fleshed out.
One thing that I do like was that much like how in Your Name, Shinkai communicates the information that Taki dreams of being an architect based on his room and belongings long before we see him drawing anything, Hodoka in the boat scene that introduces him shows what little he brought with him, a copy of Catcher in the Rye is one of them. This fact is one I never let go of through out the movie, and it definitely helped me see what Hodoka is/was going through during the film. A lot of things about Hodoka's experience do parallel things in the book, like getting beaten up by someone in the business of using women, being a lost teenager in a large metropolitan city with an ever dwindeling supply of cash, and ultimately finding something that seems worth returning to the life they dislike just to tough it out, as well as some others that someone might draw.
This is my favorite film of all time. Now, granted I don't watch many movies and most of my viewing is anime, but this one strikes something special with me. I know from an objective standpoint that in terms of writing the individual elements don't stack up to other series I hold in equally high regard, but subjectively, it all just works for me. This and Your Name are the only two things I've seen that can propel writing that is just decent into something tear-jerking through beautiful art and music. It's all down to execution. As stated by Shammy in his Titanfall 2 review:
"Stories are a lot like jokes because the quality of every single factor is entirely dependent on the way that it's delivered. A bad joke told well can get a big laugh while a great joke told poorly will more often than not just leave everyone feeling a bit uncomfortable."
For me, this is a decent joke with god-like execution. The music, the animation, the backgrounds, it all never fails to make me smile or put tears in my eyes. I have friends that like these movies and friends that don't and both me and the friends that don't have gotten sick of the debate. So I think the enjoyment of these films is entirely down to the kind of viewer watching them. Are you looking for a good joke that's well-executed, or are you happy with a really good pun? Neither is the correct way to enjoy a film, but I love me some puns.
Correction* The little brother is voiced by Kiryuu, Sakura, Hana kana voiced one of his ex/girlfriends and Sakura Ayane voices the other one
I missed this film in theatres and thanks to your video I regret it so much now
The thing I love most is that you can point out how Hodaka doesn't need a specific reason to run away from home. Most people who see Weathering With You must have already seen Your Name. Just apply Mitsuha's situation, add Hodaka's compulsy nature, and we have a boy running away.
Not specifying why Hodaka ran away works for the movie. It solidifies his nature and character of a wandering teen without giving us the "parents/school bad" angle we've seen the thousandth time. Especially with the bold ending.
Thanks for getting me to see this in theaters!
This is my first Shinkai film and I think now I'm gonna go back and watch them in chronological order because the story of his growth as a director seems as interesting as his movies!
For me, this movie is about our choice to live in 1 of 2 worlds: A world of sunny blue skies but filled with regret or a world where it never stops raining but we live without regrets. We can choose to please people with sunny skies but we will be untrue to ourselves or rather, we can choose to not care what people think and let it rain, but be true to ourselves.
Watched this yesterday so fking happy
Sempai lol...
I still haven't watched this movie, but now I'm so blown away by how similar shinkai's position regarding weather changes and apocalypse is to mine that I know I'm gonna like it a lot
I think the movie also focuses on how society has unreasonable expectation of the younger generation and places burdens on them. The move shows that adults are okay with sacrificing the few for the many while the younger generation is not okay with that concept. Also, only adults seem to be the forces who are against the main protagonists (who are young).
Well said! I kinda draw with your ideas about the movie. 👏
The disparity in these comments really go to show why Shinkai stated that he wondered how people would react to Hodaka's choice in the end quite well. This type of "controversy" is definitely what he wanted.
Where did he say that
@@projectfear22 gkids interview
I think the controversy is a good thing. This is a conversation that I think needs to be had as the effects of climate change are becoming more tangible.
This film was amazing and when I walked out of the theater it was one of the heaviest downpours in my area in a long time which just made it that much more poignant.
Also, that moment in that song at the was such a crescendo it was ridiculously well engineered!
I hated Hodoka and still kinda do but this review really opened my eyes to the ending. It really helped me understand why Hodoka did what he did it even if I still dont agree with it.
The last of us ending
@@thatBigfuu yessss!
You will do that if your in hodaka's position, so you agree
Youll understand if you are in his position, ull definately do the same to someone you love
@@darrenmurianto yeah
I’m glad this movie is finally getting the love Deserves it has a fan base almost as big as your nam
This movie was so good bruh i love it sm
Rain makes the ocean rise ??? Maybe rain softening / crumbling building foundations (building collapses) after 3 years would be more realistic.
When you live in Australia and you got the movie last year
I watched the movie in the cinemas like 3 months ago
When you live in a 3rd world country and you want to fucking die because nothing ever reaches your town until a year later.
When you live in Australia and the Konosuba movie comes into cinemas on Jan 30.
When you live in Australia (Brisbane) and 3 people were at the premier of Fate/stay night Heaven's feel 2, and you know the other 2 weebs there.
@@PlebCentre I searched it up yesterday and I think the Konosuba movie is airing in Melbourne now, I dont know if I should go see it.
@@PlebCentre lol I went to see Mirai last year with the boys but there were like 10 people in the theater and It was so frustrating. But hey, at least you get to see the movies relatively faster than we, so I'm a little jealous in that regard.
PD: Forget that last part, It seems we're not so far apart from the konosuba premiere as I thought we were. I wish for you and the other 3 weebs good luck.
Watched it last night and I really did like it
I love this film with all my soul. If Your Name didn't exist, no one would be hating on it. I think it is the better film. Better characters, straight forward plot, thought provoking ending, arguably better music (I think Your Name had a better score, but the songs that were written for Weathering With You, specifically Celebration and Grand Escape beat anything in Your Name), and significantly improved animation.
That argument is flawed. If Your Name didn’t exist, this film wouldn’t exist either. Shinkai aims to improve his work with every movie, so every single movie in his series needs to exist in order for the next one to be better.
@@RailwayScholar no, I don't really think you can speculate that this movie has a 0% chance of existing without your name. That would take some serious metaphysical knowledge that we, as humans, do not possess.
I'm mostly yanking your chain. My point still stands, however.
@@Rylai_xiv At least Tenki no Ko would be different in some way. And no one is actually hating on it, there are simply arguments that Your Name was better in some regards. I, for example, think that the happy end in in Your Name was way more satisfying than the "Happy" End in Tenki no Ko. Sure, the main protagonists reunited and probably lived on happily, but in order to be satisfied with that, you'd have to forget the consequences that "tokyo getting flooded" would actually bring with, and the suffering that comes with it. And for people, who wouldn't choose are personally beneficial option over an altruistic one in real life, this ending can feel very bittersweet, but more bitter than sweet. Your Name delivered on both the altruistic success and the happy reunion of the main characters. This was only one example, of course, but i hope it carried the message across.
@@RailwayScholar You and I just see that differently. The idyllic ending of Your Name was super feel good and hard not to love and probably more of a crowd pleaser for sure. But I liked the bittersweetness of WWY and the fact that it was a bit more of a thinker than YN.
"I saw all the works that were done under the sun,And look! everything was futile, a chasing after the wind."(Ecclesiastes 1:14) Enough said.
can you explain a little bit more i have trouble finding your point here
@@hawkensanimations2516 The bottom line is that nothing about this film matters because it will forgotten.
@@Austinator0630 well isn't that what makes things worth while? everything will be forgotten in time but as long as its still there in your head for that short amount of time it still made an impact of some sort which is basically what life is, a beautiful fleeting memory
sounds tight gonna go watch it thanks for the heads up digi will come back for spoilers after watching it
Thank God, my brothers thought I was crazy for preferring this over Your Name. I gotta say, even if I still personally prefer Garden of Words a little more, this movie is still amazing. It definitely has by far Shinkai's best cast of characters. Especially Hodoka, who felt so unique in comparison to the other protagonists of his works, with his determination and go getter attitude and such. I also appreciated the symbolism in how the weather correlated with the characters emotions, like how it would get cold and snowy when they were lost and abandoned, or how the sunshine felt too intense and overbearing after Hina sacrificed herself. Overall great movie, I'd give it an _I want to plow Natsumi's asscheeks into Oblivion_ out of ten.
Your name made me cry, Weathering with you didn’t. Well, almost, but just at the thought that in the future humanity will just let climate change happen without giving a fuck. That’s really depressing.
Weathering with you has an edge over your name its just people can't relate and didn't understand the story thats why they didn't like this movie that much
@@RailwayScholar yeah it didn't make me cry the first time I watched it but the more I see this the more I feel the pain
@@RailwayScholar II mean, I'm pretty sure what Shinkai means, that we as humanity have stretched too far, Tokyo was never meant to be as big as it was and isn't meant to last, eventually, rising sea levels, or another reason will have Tokyo drowned out. We should care about climate change, but there are just things we can't stop anymore, like the rising sea levels, and the sudden fast changes in weather. There's not much we can do now, as that has already been set in motion.
@@diegoleonardia5358 Kinda wrong tho.
You'll NEVER guess what movie I got an ad for before this video
I understand the meaning, of being about climate and being selfish and fighting for love. But it doesn't help that you see people living in Tokyo... So when it finally gets sunk in from the rain, it didn't sit right with me...
5:15 the va for Nagi wasn’t Hana Kanazawa, it was Sakura kiryu
8:13 “But in this film, Shinkai isn’t just harkening to an obvious past experience that he must’ve had as a young gay man that made their way in Tokyo…”
Wait, is Shinkai gay? Isn’t he married with a kid?
"As a young game animator." I understand the confusion, when I listened to it after reading your comment I also had to hear it again.
@@Trixiethegoldenwitch oh okay. Wow. My hearing is twisted then lmao. So sorry! But I really thought it was what I thought it sounded like! That makes more sense now!
Thank you for clarifying!
just saw it, thought it was great
Interesting video. I definitely see the merit in what you had to say and can’t even argue with your take, but for whatever reason, I wasn’t vibing with the film too hard. It might be sleeker than Your Name but I didn’t find it as effective personally, if for no other reason Your Name came first, which isn’t the most fair criticism I suppose but the subjective effect on me regardless. It was pretty fun and cute though
I think Taki and Mitsuha met on the morning of Hina’s disappearance cause it shows the entire city is sunny but there are puddles in some shots so it suggests rain from the night before.
well put video great job ma dude
thank so much for your video it helps a whole lot.
The movie should've shown some of the consequences of Tokyo flooding. People having to move is the least of the consequences
Is the post credits interview online? I left the theatre before the credits ended
I enjoyed the first 80%. The character dynamics were fun, if a little shallow; I don't know why you say the pacing was 'tight,' as I thought it was anything *but.* It meandered all OVER the place as Hodaka sees more of Tokyo, meets the rest of the cast, etc. which is great fun, but there are multiple periods of time where there is literally nothing going on, i.e. no expectation of what we're going to be seeing next (what is the plan?).
The movie was stupidly pretty, almost to its detriment; when there's never a bad cut I sometimes forget to appreciate just how good something looks, lol. I also agree with someone here who mentioned the beauty of the weather almost working against the themes; the rain never really feels dangerous, even when we're shown people getting their cars stuck, etc.
And that kind of leads into my big problem, which is that the film's depiction of disaster strikes me as frankly irresponsible. Like, the entire city of Tokyo is flooded. We never see a single person die or even get *injured.* That just isn't how large-scale disasters work. It feels like Shinkai is trying to excuse Hodaka's decision at the end and make us hate him less by not showing us what the ACTUAL consequences of letting the city sink would be, i.e. probably hundreds (thousands?) dead and thousands (millions?) more displaced, not to mention the property damage, etc.
It's one thing to choose to be selfish when taking the selfless action isn't certain to succeed, or the selfless action isn't necessarily clear, it's another to literally just say "fuck you" to all of Tokyo because you've got yours. That's not impressive or interesting to me, it just makes me want to browbeat Hodaka into doing the right thing. He comes off as nothing more or less than a dumb kid making dumb kid decisions, but the music swells and we're supposed to be happy that a child has ruined the lives of countless people so he could be with a person he knew for like a couple months. And this isn't even really me reading into it, the literal text of the end of the film is Hodaka saying "Nah, this isn't just how it was gonna turn out, I chose this on purpose and could have chosen differently. Sweet!" Two thumbs down from me.
(The whole no-real-consequences thing makes the deliberate inclusion of Taki and Mitsuha and the rest of the Your Name cast into the background especially interesting to me, because it actually HELPS us see through the illusion of "yeah but look, he's happy!" Yes, Hodaka is happy. Also, you know for a fact that all these other characters you know and love and who have nothing to do with this have suffered greatly due to his actions. Cool? Not cool. Please grow up.)
I went in with purposefully low expectations, because Your Name caught me by surprise and so I loved it maybe more than it deserved. I still wanted to at least like the movie. And I did like it! And then it ended and now I hate it. Such is life.
Couldn't agree with this more.
I thought that the Japanese audience would've reacted more hastily to the apparent "lack of consequences" the 2 protagonists suffer from Hodaka's decision (the complete flooding of the country's most important urban area)
I mean, Japan is the country that got hit by the batshit insane earthquake and consequent tsunami (flooding) of 2011.
From what I've heard from my Japanese friends, the majority of them were unsatisfied too with its ending that felt rushed and weightless.
Still, I think it's Shinkai's second best movie, with Garden of Words being third and Your Name of course first.
Agreed on those accounts. I was also expecting a lot of damage, hurt, maybe even an increase in crime. Makoto Shinkai kinda played it safe.
Fuck Tokyo, I got mine. He doesn’t know those people.
Just because the movie had a different message from the one you want to get does not mean that it's a bad one. The movie is not about what is the best for society at large. It's about a teenager wrestling with an environment much bigger than himself, and how he makes a decision between the limited options provided to him. Your "grow up, kids" attitude is the exact thing that he was dealing with through most of the movie.
@@thai-cheese it's actually better that way.
We don’t need to compare this to “Your name” they r both great films
12:16 -- The gods will straight up rain Tokyo back into the ocean over the next three years. lol
2:49 can someone tell me where this was from? im pretty sure this wasnt in the actual movie
Definitely just gonna watch this video after seeing the movie then.
shinkai truly is a genius in my opinion
"Fuckers In The Franxx" ....
I love this guy!
I thought that the Japanese audience would've reacted more hastily to the apparent "lack of consequences" the 2 protagonists suffer from Hodaka's decision (the complete flooding of the country's most important urban area)
I mean, Japan is the country that got hit by the batshit insane earthquake and consequent tsunami (flooding) of 2011.
From what I've heard from my Japanese friends, the majority of them were unsatisfied too with its ending that felt rushed and weightless.
Still, I think it's Shinkai's second best movie, with Garden of Words being third and Your Name of course first.
Finally, someone else who thought Weathering With You was better than Your Name
best movie ever
No theaters are screening it near me... *sobs*
I strongly disagree with most of your perspectives on this movie, and would basically boil my objections down to "it doesn't matter if it was more polished, because it never made me care"
This is obviously just a difference in opinion, but those "sticky ideas" in Your Name are what make me still think of it, but moreover the relatable characters made me care at all about them. Some people will certainly relate to the main boy, but I didn't and he was given very little backstory, even less than Taki somehow, so while you were not bored at any point, I certainly was bored up to the point where he meets Hina and the main characters actually get to interact.
On a different topic, I think Shinkai's artstyle actually hurts this movie in some ways:
This might sound strange, but I think this is one of the movies larger problems: Shinkai makes everything look too pretty. There are some locations in this movie that are not supposed to look inviting. Weather is sometimes supposed to be threatening in this movie but it rarely looks anything but pretty. The scenes that are supposed to be beautiful and positive are when the sun comes out, and for these the beauty of the scenes works very well. But flooding is hard to take seriously when the water is beautiful and crystal-clear. Real flooding is dirty and full of debris, not beautiful Shinkai-weather. The moment in the movie where the big ball of water explodes on some guys was used in shinkai's interview while he was talking about water being dangerous. That was almost a comedy scene.
Basically, I think a lot of things in this movie made the theming not actually hit home, even if it was consistent.
But I've said enough here on a rant, I also saw this early screening and I'm making a review video of this. Maybe i'll make you review my review in a rant to give myself a signal boost. It will get you money so you probably wouldn't object to that.
TL;DR I am definitely a person who loves Your Name for what it is and this movie was not that. I like messy over refined.
I don't know how you can make a concept like rain even look more aggressive both visually and audibly than in this movie. Once again what the hell are you talking about?
@@hata1499 Look up any image of flooding. You will see brown, ugly water and property damage.
In this movie, water floods in a window into a basement apartment, but it's perfectly clean and the scene is played for laughs. It's asking a lot of the audience to show heavy rain as nothing more than an inconvenience for most of the film and then swerve to permanently flooding an entire region.
The reveal of a disaster that ruined a city 3 years in the past when the protagonist went looking for a girl was an extremely powerful reveal in Your Name. In this movie, the ending shot of a city whose fate was sealed 3 years into the past which the protagonist is returning to looking for a girl has no weight.
What you dislike about Shinkai's art style, is actually exactly what I love about it. He manages to find the beauty in every scene, even the ugly and terrifying ones. I think Miyazaki also did this (in a different style) as well... even trash erupting from the river spirit in Spirited away is beautiful! Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, so you may of course disagree. But I love noticing the beauties in the details in their works... I grew up in a pretty trashed desert area (which I love!) so I grew to find the small beautiful things amidst the sand and trash and poverty. Maybe in part from the influence of Miyazaki's films...
@@dominicjannazo7144 Brown and ugly water would not fit the color palette of the movie at all. The colors are used very consciously. In fact the movie shows so much Gray and Blue that the small green at the end when they tread along the street after all the flowers are blooming because of the relentless rain causing vegetation to sprout is the stronger afterimage. You are actually made to hate the town in the entire movie and appreciate nature instead.
The story is framed that the fate of the town with all its inhabitants doesn't faze you, because you are preoccupied with the main characters. Thats the kind of story sekaikei tries to tell.
Definitely a normie.
For me, I felt like Hina's character was very bland and dull compare to the other characters. I felt the only time she showed real emotion was in the scene when she was in the hotel explaining to Hidaka that she was disappearing. I felt like the side characters were actually more engaging and had more personality than her and you could relate to the side characters a bit more.
But this is just my opinion and overall I really enjoyed the movie.
I think part of that had been the point since for most of the movie Hina was pretending to be more mature, thus taking on a personality and way of acting that she saw as fitting for the age she claimed to be. It's definitely true that the internal thoughts of Hina were less focused on than Hodaka or maybe even side characters such as Keisuke, but for me, her not showing as much weakness beforehand made the hotel scene as well as the later revelation of her real age more impactful as they reveal her true vulnerability.
It is bland and dull because there is no solid back story about her. Only her little brother explains it which isn't good if you tell it in the middle of the movie. It may work if they explain it in the beginning. So that the audience initially care for her. The problem is that the story focus on Hodaka in first half and then Hina on the last half. A bad choice of story phasing.