the winch didn't fail. the mount it is attached to did. That caused all the damage you see. The winch needs a proper mount to have structural integrity
I can't believe all these comments this is the only one that got it right. At 8:05 you can see the mounting plate buckled which caused the counter rotation of the forces to break the winch. This is the #1 cause of winch failures. Wish i could thumbs up 5 more times.
@@khoatran9482 yeah, been in trucking for a lot of years, broke a lot of things loading them onto trailers. Done a crap ton of off roading and building custom trucks. Learned the hard way a few times about structural integrity. A winch is only as strong as its mount.
Finally someone got it right, this is the comment I was looking for. Just like his other video where he got his lifted suv stuck in mud. Instead of using a winch, he tried to use a kinetic rope. A kinetic rope won't get you out of suction mud.
Yeah this numbskull used a very thin ATV/SXS winch plate made for under 3500# winches, and expected it to support a 12000# winch..... Then blames the winch. Only way these idiots will learn is when companies start suing for defamation.
Please update on the winch when you can. I seen another video where a person mentioned the mounting base twisting and that torqued the body of the winch causing some damage; so I am wondering if the mounting base they supply is too thin and causes this problem. Thank you.
Yes, somebody else pointed that out. @8:05 you can see that the flimsy base the winch was mounted on was too thin and buckled, then force of the winch seems to have tore itself apart since it was still bolted to the bending metal base. Not pointing fingers for fault, I would have thought the floor of the trailer was pretty strong but others have replied they also learned the hard way to beef up their mounting bases. You usually see winches mounted to super-beefy front bumper designed for them so I guess we don't think about the base as much ....
Picked up a high mileage 04 expedition. 3000 dollars. Lots of them out there. Needs some odds and ends. Nothing big. Put a set of mile star patagonia tiers on it. The biggest ones that would fit. Rubs a little. So what. Discount tire. I've had my share of jeeps. Plenty of room. I found a 2 gallon air compressor at tractor supply. $69.00. Works great. Put a 2000 watt power inverter in the rig to be able to run it. That escalade has alot of potential. Keep up the great videos. 👍
My 2002 Cadillac Escalade 6.0L AWD just hit 290k miles and is still going strong! (knock on woodgrain) Love that engine, it really gets that big girl moving.
Hey Steve I'm a big fan of the channel, and I'm wondering if you'd be interested in a 1990 ford bronco to replace the Honda with, i bought it for a project but got tangled up in to many other things, would love to see someone do something with it
Big lift , big tires , wheels bumpers , gears or straight axle swap you can clear 37s with a sas it’s a salvage title so you won’t catch hell for it . That’s if the engine is still strong with that kinda miles you’re limited with it being used for an ls swap
I would love to see a 442 build I think that would be really cool and I think the escalate could be saved it looks pretty clean depending on what the interior looks like Put a trans in it drive it and sell it
Buy an old 5 ton truck winch my dads had one on his trailer since he bout it in the early 80s and we have never rebuilt it its never failed i think its on its second cable
Put it in the ramp truckkkkkk it needs an ls I’m telling you man you won’t regret it it’s a reconstructed title 200k+ mile Escalade even if you do throw a trans in it it’s not a lot of money to be made on it give the ramp truck a new heart
So I can tell you for one your plate is not rated for that winch that's what made it explode you can see the plate is literally twisted FYI never use your which as a tow strap 🤔😥
Pull the motor and scrap the rest. Instead if buying and building another classic muscle car. Put the money into that poor red trans am you already have.
FYI it was your winch mount that failed and caused the winch to self destruct. No winch is made to support that torque load and the mount has to be strong enough to not allow the winch to twist.
I have the same winch, I've pulled f350 crew cabs in park onto my deckover with it, hell just pulled a dually up today. That has to be a fluke with that one or something, that's wild
I agree. I am in the market for one and have been researching the APEX 12,000. I have not seen ONE bad review. In fact, I watched one where it pulled out a 5,000 pound tractor stuck deep into the mud and another one that pulled out a Jeep Wrangler that was seriously stuck in rocks and again, no problem. This same channel showed a one year review of the same winch and again there were no issues at all even after a hundred serious pulls. To title a video with “NEVER BUY” whatever is very misleading and just plain wrong ESPECIALLY when there was only a SINGLE incident.
Winches are rated for a rolling load not 4 flat tires also stressed it by dragging it sideways with the truck. Truck is capable of generating more than 12000 lbs
Winches typically do that because the surface you have it mounted to flexes. Make sure it is dead flat, and weld some reinforcements on the back side before installing another winch. Even the 5000# ZXR would pull that escalade on that trailer with no issues.
I have looked at several of these "failed Badlands winches" and on every one that gave enough information to tell, the mounting plate failed every time!
I have had 3 whiches "badlands" only broke one with a extremely heavy f450 14k truck onto my trailer. which I had to turn down the tow... for 300.00. I'd keep buying these any day of the week I really like them.
The most important thing regarding the longevity of a winch is it’s mounting which obviously failed. And why is it mounted backwards? Any winch would have failed under the same circumstances.
First of all, the mounting bracket needs to be able to handle greater load than the winch in order to not buckle. Secondly, read your winch's manual on page 2 where it explains the ratings. At 9:00 you seem to expect the winch to be rated at 12,000 pounds while at 8:31 you state it was the last 2 feet of pull. When the cable is wrapping on layer 3 your winch is rated at max 7,885 pounds in a perfect straight-line pull.
I bet it weighs 8k pounds, i had a navigator and they are pretty heavy. So 8k plus flat tires and dragging it, you put a good load on that winch. It shouldnt have exploded but it was over worked. Keep a strap to drag cars around
You are the definition of that open mouth pikachu meme. Buy cheap tools then act surprised when they don’t hold up. Everyone recommends you to get better stuff all the time and then you get all butt hurt and take it personal or call them haters. I’m a fan, but I can’t say I feel sorry. You bring it on yourself time and time again.
You should put your winch on your car trailer because that’s what most people wood do pls I have really good experience with harbor fright winches and my harbor fright badland 12000 pound winch has never failed me on anything
I got the 9000 and I pulled that same identical truck to my trailer and about 70 more vehicles and still haven't gave me a problem looks to me like your truck just went back and hit the winch and broke it
Pulling a 6000 lbs vehicle with a flat tire up onto a deck over trailer with a garbage winch and it broke. can’t expect premium product at basement pricing.
Steve the winch is your fault you are pulling back across the winch the part that cracked is designed to take stress the opposite way you have it running.
@@Diyguy518 why would you pull on one single weld on the tongue of a trailer when you could distribute the load over the whole trailer, no I don’t know everything but I know a idiot on the internet when I see one , today I’ve saw two you and Steve. Have a good one “buddy”
That shitty, thin winch plate is why it broke. What you mount a winch to becomes part of the structural integrity of the winch. Otherwise the only thing holding it together is the 2 beams across the top.
Damb! That's the good version of the badlands 12,000 lb. winch too. But it's not a Warn winch. You get what you pay for. Quick flip the escalade. It seems like every swinging dick on TH-cam builds a camero, or firebird. Not that many tackle a Olds 442.
Over priced chevy is how I view caddys ls swap the ramp truck and scrap the rest of the the caddy. Sad to see the civic go but ik its in good hands with Danny
Hell, $500 for it? Shit, that's a steal, I would definitely recommend a good transmission and a bit of a cosmetic job I'd flip it or use it as a nice daily driver. You definitely got a good deal steve. 👍👍
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Go get that trans from Danny and slap it in and lift it then drive it for a little bit then sell it
Put 4x4 in it it could be the next bogger
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@Clay Moses Yea, been using flixzone for months myself :)
the winch didn't fail. the mount it is attached to did. That caused all the damage you see. The winch needs a proper mount to have structural integrity
I can't believe all these comments this is the only one that got it right. At 8:05 you can see the mounting plate buckled which caused the counter rotation of the forces to break the winch. This is the #1 cause of winch failures. Wish i could thumbs up 5 more times.
@@khoatran9482 yeah, been in trucking for a lot of years, broke a lot of things loading them onto trailers. Done a crap ton of off roading and building custom trucks. Learned the hard way a few times about structural integrity. A winch is only as strong as its mount.
Finally someone got it right, this is the comment I was looking for. Just like his other video where he got his lifted suv stuck in mud. Instead of using a winch, he tried to use a kinetic rope. A kinetic rope won't get you out of suction mud.
Yeah this numbskull used a very thin ATV/SXS winch plate made for under 3500# winches, and expected it to support a 12000# winch..... Then blames the winch. Only way these idiots will learn is when companies start suing for defamation.
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Please update on the winch when you can. I seen another video where a person mentioned the mounting base twisting and that torqued the body of the winch causing some damage; so I am wondering if the mounting base they supply is too thin and causes this problem. Thank you.
Yes, somebody else pointed that out. @8:05 you can see that the flimsy base the winch was mounted on was too thin and buckled, then force of the winch seems to have tore itself apart since it was still bolted to the bending metal base. Not pointing fingers for fault, I would have thought the floor of the trailer was pretty strong but others have replied they also learned the hard way to beef up their mounting bases. You usually see winches mounted to super-beefy front bumper designed for them so I guess we don't think about the base as much ....
Picked up a high mileage 04 expedition. 3000 dollars. Lots of them out there. Needs some odds and ends. Nothing big. Put a set of mile star patagonia tiers on it. The biggest ones that would fit. Rubs a little. So what. Discount tire. I've had my share of jeeps. Plenty of room. I found a 2 gallon air compressor at tractor supply. $69.00. Works great. Put a 2000 watt power inverter in the rig to be able to run it. That escalade has alot of potential. Keep up the great videos. 👍
My 2002 Cadillac Escalade 6.0L AWD just hit 290k miles and is still going strong! (knock on woodgrain) Love that engine, it really gets that big girl moving.
Hey Steve I'm a big fan of the channel, and I'm wondering if you'd be interested in a 1990 ford bronco to replace the Honda with, i bought it for a project but got tangled up in to many other things, would love to see someone do something with it
Buy a warn winch they won't let you down. Or a smittybilt.
It’s such high mileage it’s not worth doing all of the work to put it into the ramp truck, just make it a quick flip
Big lift , big tires , wheels bumpers , gears or straight axle swap you can clear 37s with a sas it’s a salvage title so you won’t catch hell for it . That’s if the engine is still strong with that kinda miles you’re limited with it being used for an ls swap
I would love to see a 442 build I think that would be really cool and I think the escalate could be saved it looks pretty clean depending on what the interior looks like Put a trans in it drive it and sell it
Buy an old 5 ton truck winch my dads had one on his trailer since he bout it in the early 80s and we have never rebuilt it its never failed i think its on its second cable
If thats off a military truck wouldn't that be a PTO winch how did you hook that up on a trailer
Put it in the ramp truckkkkkk it needs an ls I’m telling you man you won’t regret it it’s a reconstructed title 200k+ mile Escalade even if you do throw a trans in it it’s not a lot of money to be made on it give the ramp truck a new heart
Did you let the winch cable all build up in one spot and spread the case apart?
That caddy is super nice u should refill all of it slap a turbo lower it. And make it a sweet little street truck.
A firebird or cutlass project are both stellar builds if they are not half assed done, so many people lose interest halfway through and that sucks
He bought the Civic for the full width drivers drop axle.
Swap the drivetrain and interior including dashboard into the ramp truck
The civic sounds like a donkey coming off the ramp truck lol
Build your dreams Steve, build your dreams.
Id use that motor for the ramp truck or GTA if it fits in it which it should i mean thats just me
Quick flip it. Get the transmission in it
Put new transmission in and resell or rough country it
Use it for the ramp truck maybe could even use the leather seats to jazz it up abit
If only it was an Escalade EXT
😂
Keep it and build it
Lift it
Looks like the winch plate warped which will kill any winch.
Keep it and drive it
part it, scrap it, build the ramp!
Flip it n keep on working
Does the winch mount look a little sketchy to anyone else
You should put a new transmission in it
Build your dream car. And I think you should have left the Escalade where you found it bro.
Their all dream cars to him
Hit Rough Country up and make some magic happen with the Caddy
So I can tell you for one your plate is not rated for that winch that's what made it explode you can see the plate is literally twisted FYI never use your which as a tow strap 🤔😥
Take the motor and interior and make the ramp truck one of a kind 🤔
Dont put the moter on the ramp truck that's a classic truck and needs a classic engine for it to sound right
Pull the motor and scrap the rest. Instead if buying and building another classic muscle car. Put the money into that poor red trans am you already have.
Pull the motor on the Caddy. Do your GTA instead of old muscle.
I think you should keep/flip the escalade.
Put it back together.
Swap the engine into the ramp truck forsure
Steve rip the engine out and swap the ramp truck. Sell the rest for parts. I wouldn't bother fixing a rebuild.
Finish the damn gto
Flip it!
Fix and flip
Should fix it up
definitely flip it, put a diesel insted
442!!
fix then flip put the money into your other projects
Do an old muscle car
really i want them wheels steve , im near by you let me know
Steve AMC pacer you got to do it lol
Part it out
Part the Escalade out and make enough to rebuild a nice engine for the ramp truck
FYI it was your winch mount that failed and caused the winch to self destruct. No winch is made to support that torque load and the mount has to be strong enough to not allow the winch to twist.
I have the same winch, I've pulled f350 crew cabs in park onto my deckover with it, hell just pulled a dually up today. That has to be a fluke with that one or something, that's wild
I agree. I am in the market for one and have been researching the APEX 12,000. I have not seen ONE bad review. In fact, I watched one where it pulled out a 5,000 pound tractor stuck deep into the mud and another one that pulled out a Jeep Wrangler that was seriously stuck in rocks and again, no problem. This same channel showed a one year review of the same winch and again there were no issues at all even after a hundred serious pulls.
To title a video with “NEVER BUY” whatever is very misleading and just plain wrong ESPECIALLY when there was only a SINGLE incident.
Winches are rated for a rolling load not 4 flat tires also stressed it by dragging it sideways with the truck. Truck is capable of generating more than 12000 lbs
No muscle car builds until you actually finish other “builds” such as the GTA. Be focused on something
How can i pull my stuck 20k lb kenworth in the mud in netural and steve breaks it on an escalade . This man could break a Nokia phone
Right I've had no problems with those or other people I know.
Nokia phone 😂😂😂 those things were bullet proof
I've seen 2 so far break like that, yours and one other guy. Both were mounted to a plate that was wayyyy too thin.
Winches typically do that because the surface you have it mounted to flexes. Make sure it is dead flat, and weld some reinforcements on the back side before installing another winch. Even the 5000# ZXR would pull that escalade on that trailer with no issues.
I would put some type of diesel in the ramp truck, and flip the caddy.
Pull motor and what you need to swap ramp truck and sell rest for parts
Agreed 👍
For sure
But why drop the 454 in the ramp truck?
@@OBS_Gohst92 they're slugs
Cant wait to see the Escalade sitting in your yard months from now, Nice!
Lmfaooo
😂😂😂
You must be a newbie??? Lmfao!!
I have looked at several of these "failed Badlands winches" and on every one that gave enough information to tell, the mounting plate failed every time!
*you meant Explode"*
The Escalade is the first car that you bought that would actually make sense as a daily driver...
Steve big fan but I’d say just take the motor and run or get it running and flip it
Wow, you just told him to do both options, so which one do you really want him to do, swap the engine or flip the Escalade? I'm confused
That drive train would be sweeeeeet in the ramp truck. Do it!
I have had 3 whiches "badlands" only broke one with a extremely heavy f450 14k truck onto my trailer. which I had to turn down the tow... for 300.00. I'd keep buying these any day of the week I really like them.
The most important thing regarding the longevity of a winch is it’s mounting which obviously failed. And why is it mounted backwards? Any winch would have failed under the same circumstances.
Your neighbors watching as you bring home another vehicle on a trailer
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Looks like you ended up bending the mounting plate which cracked the housing. Probably nothing wrong with the winch.
That's why I mounted mine to quarter inch plate
First of all, the mounting bracket needs to be able to handle greater load than the winch in order to not buckle.
Secondly, read your winch's manual on page 2 where it explains the ratings. At 9:00 you seem to expect the winch to be rated at 12,000 pounds while at 8:31 you state it was the last 2 feet of pull. When the cable is wrapping on layer 3 your winch is rated at max 7,885 pounds in a perfect straight-line pull.
I would fix it and sell it if you will be able to still make money on it
I bet it weighs 8k pounds, i had a navigator and they are pretty heavy. So 8k plus flat tires and dragging it, you put a good load on that winch. It shouldnt have exploded but it was over worked. Keep a strap to drag cars around
Dude that winch pulls 60-80k easily. So can my smithy built. Shoot a 2500-6000lb winch can do the same. Snatch blocks…
You are the definition of that open mouth pikachu meme. Buy cheap tools then act surprised when they don’t hold up. Everyone recommends you to get better stuff all the time and then you get all butt hurt and take it personal or call them haters. I’m a fan, but I can’t say I feel sorry. You bring it on yourself time and time again.
You should put your winch on your car trailer because that’s what most people wood do pls I have really good experience with harbor fright winches and my harbor fright badland 12000 pound winch has never failed me on anything
Skip the video. No footage of winch breaking.
I got the 9000 and I pulled that same identical truck to my trailer and about 70 more vehicles and still haven't gave me a problem looks to me like your truck just went back and hit the winch and broke it
Pulling a 6000 lbs vehicle with a flat tire up onto a deck over trailer with a garbage winch and it broke. can’t expect premium product at basement pricing.
Your mounting plate bend which caused your winch to flex. This is a powerful winch and needs a sturdy mounting point
Steve the winch is your fault you are pulling back across the winch the part that cracked is designed to take stress the opposite way you have it running.
@@Diyguy518 the roller is facing the truck
@@Diyguy518 not the Escalade the tongue
@@Diyguy518 that’s still wrong
@@Diyguy518 why would you pull on one single weld on the tongue of a trailer when you could distribute the load over the whole trailer, no I don’t know everything but I know a idiot on the internet when I see one , today I’ve saw two you and Steve. Have a good one “buddy”
That shitty, thin winch plate is why it broke. What you mount a winch to becomes part of the structural integrity of the winch. Otherwise the only thing holding it together is the 2 beams across the top.
Please don’t half ass/hack up an old car. Stick to the cheap throw away stuff you normally do.
But i can save a buck rather than buy a warn but the warn doesnt come with a free snap crackle, pop then a slap on the face by a big metal cable
Pull the engine use it for another build. I like the 454 in the ramp truck it’s old school and fits the build
It looks like the winch is mounted backwards on the bracket to me so that could have been why it broke
It is mounted backwards. He is putting tension on it backwards. Yes... this will break it. The force is against the weakest part of the brackets.
Damb! That's the good version of the badlands 12,000 lb. winch too. But it's not a Warn winch. You get what you pay for. Quick flip the escalade. It seems like every swinging dick on TH-cam builds a camero, or firebird. Not that many tackle a Olds 442.
Have 13 apex band land winches on my hotshot trucks. Never a failure with any of them. I’ll take Bandland over Warn.
@@cristobalospina620 than you explain to him why his mostly new winch exploded.
Save it and get a cheaper lq4 for the ramp truck
He buys harbor freight and wonders why ?
Lol I got a Cadillac ad on this video
That's why I like the Badland 12000 Apex better, it's on my jeep and channel👈
Pull the engine use it for another project. Keep the 454 in the ramp truck it’s old school and fits the build.
Over priced chevy is how I view caddys ls swap the ramp truck and scrap the rest of the the caddy. Sad to see the civic go but ik its in good hands with Danny
If you want something cheap that breaks buy a Ford
Looks more like the bumper hit it because it wasn’t properly strapped down
I have 2 of these civics and I can’t even be mad this thing is amazing lol
Your cheesy little winch plate flexed and that is what broke the winch. This isn't the winch's fault. No winch can survive a weak mounting plate.
I'm not sad you got other things to do
Hell, $500 for it? Shit, that's a steal, I would definitely recommend a good transmission and a bit of a cosmetic job I'd flip it or use it as a nice daily driver. You definitely got a good deal steve. 👍👍