The E7#5#9 chord at the end was a nice addition, for me it made the song go from nice but overlookable, to something i had to learn how to play instantly. Nice video!
Very informative! But also, as a lover of all things spooky from Portishead to Bitches Brew, I love this interval. I see how this is something you'd want to avoid if you're making 'lofi beats to chill and study to', and this is great advice for someone looking for that kind of mass appeal. Personally though, this kind of dissonance is necessary for the kind of tension and mystery I like in music.
No such thing as a "bad" interval. A maj7 sounds pretty dissonant in isolation, but throw in a maj3 and you've got a beautiful maj7 chord. It's just ✨ context ✨
The V chord with the #5 at the end is quite nice to finish the chord progression plus the quartal voicing that the seventh and the #9 adds is quite a cool sound
Nice, exactly! An E7#5#9 or E7alt. Anyone else spot that last chord? Also, anybody know what scale this chord is derived from. Planning on doing a whole video on this chord/scale in the near future.
@@jaronlopez Please do it! Excited for more videos like this! Thank you very much for sharing your knowledge with us in such an interesting way! Your teaching skills are innate! greetings from Argentina 💖
Thank you Jaron for your videos! The quality is amazing ~ Everything is so clear and perfectly explained even I can understand with the very little knowledge I have. 💪
Edit: second half was fabulous! But yea I think just trying to give a helpful feedback as your channel is fantastic but I almost didn’t finish the video cause of the slower pace! Original: So I appreciate this video, thank you so much for making it! If I can give you a touch of feedback - i do feel like it’s a touch repetitive! Thank you so much of making it though!
I think the passing tone solution shown in this video should be called avoiding the 13 semitone on the strong pulse, you don't need additional G note to make the F# the passing tone, but the demo is moving the 13 semitone from the strong pulse (first 1/16 note in one beat) to a weaker pulse (3rd 1/16 note).
Absolutely, this is a great point! The rhythmic phrasing is another essential element to this puzzle. Anybody else notice the movement of the rhythm at this point 13:33 when watching the vid?
@@jaronlopez yeah, hope one day you can cover this topic, I really enjoy your extremely efficient and clear tutorials, also your music blown me away, just amazing!
Experiment (guess and check) or blatantly steal the exact one your trying to learn from and deconstruct / reverse engineer it. No matter what the outcome you will learn something and probably come up with other things you weren’t even going for . You can’t just learn everything , so it’s important to take note (like you’ve done) when you hear something exactly like what your going for, especially when it’s intangible like “ the style of the turnaround” , or for me and love how wes Montgomerys guitar playing just feels so cool and vibey, so I’ve been watching videos on what notes to play but more than that when I learn something I sit there and tinker and deconstruct and figure out what about it makes it sound how I like, if that makes any sense at all 😂😂❤ .
@@coltonshanley1921 Full ack. I just think, since this stuff has been around for some time that there must be already a bunch of popular/proven "patterns" / voicings (in the genre) to learn from. Similar to idk the 2-5-1 or rhythm patterns in general. Just to cover the basics.
Hey Jaron (question below) - I love your videos, after spending many years trying to learn music theory off-and-on through rote memorization and being frustrated when trying to construct anything pleasant in the DAW, I am finally enjoying the process of creating music and learning at the same time by applying the concepts in your videos. I'm grateful to be here before your channel blows up. I have a question. This is something that has always somewhat confused me with respect to intervals and pertains to this concept of dissonance that you are talking about here - when we start with the i and iv chords without any inversion, it sounds nice and our ear enjoys it just fine. Then when we invert the iv chord to bring the F and A into the same region as the i chord, we introduce an E and F right next to each other, which is just as dissonant as the minor 9 interval (to my ear at least) being only 1 semitone apart. And yet, it works! My question is - why does this not bother our ear in the same way the minor 9th does?
I think you have a point here as the same stuff happens also with an 11 or 6 interval. I think what is happening here is that he added a C4 making a perfect fifth with this note, making it useful and necessary to the chord. I am also a complete noob so just try removing parts of the chord or changing it to see what is strictly necessary and what works. How it works if I understand correctly is that when two waves of similar but different frequencies are added, the amplitude of the wave changes at a relatively slow rate compared to the frequencies of the waves, making for a very different sound than when notes of a perfect fifth merge for instance, when the second harmonic of the second lands right on the third harmonic of the first strengthening each other (and subsequent harmonics as well). Also I feel frustrated too sometimes but you really have to stop having expectations about your musical skills and your expertise in using production software. I think that's the only way you can actually enjoy your time. I started trying to make a ytpmv a few days ago and it was so much fun despite only demanding making a simple synth and transcribing a melody that was mostly available online. I can recommend 8bitMusicTheory's videos I only watched a few and even though I don't understand everything I really enjoy them.
“The formation of scales and of the web of harmony is a product of artistic invention, and is in no way given by the natural structure or by the natural behaviour of our hearing, as used to be generally maintained hitherto.” - Hermann von Helmholtz
Another great video! That last chord is E7(#5#9) I was thinking that another way to "fix" the melody would be to play the F to E down an octave. I think that'd be cool cuz it's similar to what you did with the A minor chord (in other words you took the notes of the chord and by playing them as an arpeggio you made it a melody)
Maybe it's because my ears had got used to the thirteen semitone interval early on in the video - or perhaps my brain was just in the mood for dissonance - but when you altered the melody note from F to G, I actually liked it less than the original F. Let me know in the comments if you read my comment. ;)
Perfect means that interval doesn't have a mood, whether major or minor. And the interval is most consonance, means that it's most pleasant interval for hearing
Having taught myself basic music theory, and being dyslexic, I found the whole minor/ major# naming convention unnecessarily confusing. For me I just name the notes in an octave 1 to 12 with a scales defined by which notes are blanked out.
Yes Indeed! One of the best things about getting some training in any field is developing instincts that tend to prove more and more useful as you get further along. 🎹
There are situations where I prefer the 13 semitones as well, and other contexts where chords like the Ebm9 gets me closer to my musical intention. That is what is great about music: different people, tastes, musics, and results. Always trust and follow your ear! Anyone else prefer the 13 semitones/are not into the Ebminor9 chord?
this interval may get boring in this context, but only if you repeat this segment in your track as you demonstrate it to us, if there is further development, variation, then this interval will not create a desire to "click next". There is a twofold feeling, at first there is a feeling that you will just talk about a "bad" interval, then you sort of explain that this is a matter of context, but then why such an emphasis on this particular interval? he is not the only one who works differently in different conditions I think it's all intentional, so that understanding people comment, apparently
Going from D minor 9 to Eb minor 9 and back sounds much more dissonant and also more unpleasant to me ... I often enjoy dissonance given the "right" context. In this particular case, I don't. I liked your "Expand melody" and resulting "Sequence" approach the most. Thanks for sharing your points of view and knowledge. All in all, a great video!
The E7#5#9 chord at the end was a nice addition, for me it made the song go from nice but overlookable, to something i had to learn how to play instantly. Nice video!
Nice! That chord especially voiced that way is one of my favorite harmonic flavors. Thanks for checking out the video! 🎵
Thank you for sharing this in such an informative and engaging way, you are an incredible teacher
you are one of the best teachers i found here. thank you.
The way you speak and present is reminiscent of Rod Serling. It's great
that's literally the "learning with doing" approach, soo fun and cool
Very informative! But also, as a lover of all things spooky from Portishead to Bitches Brew, I love this interval. I see how this is something you'd want to avoid if you're making 'lofi beats to chill and study to', and this is great advice for someone looking for that kind of mass appeal. Personally though, this kind of dissonance is necessary for the kind of tension and mystery I like in music.
Thank you for creating these videos and sharing your knowledge in a fun and organized way. You are very talented musically and a great teacher!
Happy to share some music thoughts, thanks for the kind words!
Dang this a masterclass on lofi homie 🎉❤🎉
Thanks for checking it out bud! 🎹
Your music theory videos are very helpful, thank you!
No such thing as a "bad" interval. A maj7 sounds pretty dissonant in isolation, but throw in a maj3 and you've got a beautiful maj7 chord. It's just ✨ context ✨
Yeah he mentioned this a couple times in the video
The V chord with the #5 at the end is quite nice to finish the chord progression plus the quartal voicing that the seventh and the #9 adds is quite a cool sound
Nice, exactly! An E7#5#9 or E7alt. Anyone else spot that last chord? Also, anybody know what scale this chord is derived from. Planning on doing a whole video on this chord/scale in the near future.
@@jaronlopez Please do it! Excited for more videos like this! Thank you very much for sharing your knowledge with us in such an interesting way! Your teaching skills are innate! greetings from Argentina 💖
Omg ur breaking my ears w that minor 9th over and over man😂
Great lesson as always, your channel is a real gem 🙂
This video is definitely one I'll be coming back to.
Thanks.
I strive to reach your level of knowledge in music theory, you are insane
This was... pretty informative! Thanks!
Interaval.
😆 It was during the filming of this video, that he realized he has been adding an extra letter to the word. 🎹
Great vid, thanks a lot for sharing these insides, life saver !!
Extremely cool video thanks
Thanks for checking it out, glad you enjoyed!
Very helpful tutorial, thank you!
Glad to hear it was helpful, thanks for checking out the channel! 𝄢
Your content is so unique!
Thanks for checking it out!
Thank you Jaron for your videos! The quality is amazing ~
Everything is so clear and perfectly explained even I can understand with the very little knowledge I have.
💪
Thanks for the kind words! Really glad to hear it's easy to follow!
Edit: second half was fabulous! But yea I think just trying to give a helpful feedback as your channel is fantastic but I almost didn’t finish the video cause of the slower pace!
Original: So I appreciate this video, thank you so much for making it! If I can give you a touch of feedback - i do feel like it’s a touch repetitive!
Thank you so much of making it though!
I do know about inversions, and thanks your videos are super informative
Nice, in the know with inversions, glad to hear you're finding the videos useful! Thanks for checking out the channel! 🎹
But lofi is a gift.... a balance between sad slow and slow encouraging..... i must stay to know the truth
INTERAVAL! Too may syllyllables!
I sometimes wondered why a melody note that was a chord tone sometimes sounded off to me. I bet it was 13 semitones from one of the chord notes.
I think the passing tone solution shown in this video should be called avoiding the 13 semitone on the strong pulse, you don't need additional G note to make the F# the passing tone, but the demo is moving the 13 semitone from the strong pulse (first 1/16 note in one beat) to a weaker pulse (3rd 1/16 note).
Absolutely, this is a great point! The rhythmic phrasing is another essential element to this puzzle. Anybody else notice the movement of the rhythm at this point 13:33 when watching the vid?
@@jaronlopez yeah, hope one day you can cover this topic, I really enjoy your extremely efficient and clear tutorials, also your music blown me away, just amazing!
hey jaron . inversions are when you play some cool lick and it makes everyone invert their head like "damn that was ssick"
Amazing, thank you very much. I would like to see more. ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
Thanks, happy to share the music ideas! Much more to come! 𝄞
22:04 I'd really like to learn how you come up with those stylish off-key turnarounds thanks!!
Experiment (guess and check) or blatantly steal the exact one your trying to learn from and deconstruct / reverse engineer it. No matter what the outcome you will learn something and probably come up with other things you weren’t even going for . You can’t just learn everything , so it’s important to take note (like you’ve done) when you hear something exactly like what your going for, especially when it’s intangible like “ the style of the turnaround” , or for me and love how wes Montgomerys guitar playing just feels so cool and vibey, so I’ve been watching videos on what notes to play but more than that when I learn something I sit there and tinker and deconstruct and figure out what about it makes it sound how I like, if that makes any sense at all 😂😂❤ .
@@coltonshanley1921 Full ack. I just think, since this stuff has been around for some time that there must be already a bunch of popular/proven "patterns" / voicings (in the genre) to learn from. Similar to idk the 2-5-1 or rhythm patterns in general. Just to cover the basics.
Great video, as always. This one was, zesty. Cheers to you!
Thank you 🙏
So this is basically the strict Palestrina’s style of Low fi hip hop 😂😂😂
Hey Jaron (question below) - I love your videos, after spending many years trying to learn music theory off-and-on through rote memorization and being frustrated when trying to construct anything pleasant in the DAW, I am finally enjoying the process of creating music and learning at the same time by applying the concepts in your videos. I'm grateful to be here before your channel blows up.
I have a question. This is something that has always somewhat confused me with respect to intervals and pertains to this concept of dissonance that you are talking about here - when we start with the i and iv chords without any inversion, it sounds nice and our ear enjoys it just fine. Then when we invert the iv chord to bring the F and A into the same region as the i chord, we introduce an E and F right next to each other, which is just as dissonant as the minor 9 interval (to my ear at least) being only 1 semitone apart. And yet, it works! My question is - why does this not bother our ear in the same way the minor 9th does?
I think you have a point here as the same stuff happens also with an 11 or 6 interval. I think what is happening here is that he added a C4 making a perfect fifth with this note, making it useful and necessary to the chord. I am also a complete noob so just try removing parts of the chord or changing it to see what is strictly necessary and what works.
How it works if I understand correctly is that when two waves of similar but different frequencies are added, the amplitude of the wave changes at a relatively slow rate compared to the frequencies of the waves, making for a very different sound than when notes of a perfect fifth merge for instance, when the second harmonic of the second lands right on the third harmonic of the first strengthening each other (and subsequent harmonics as well).
Also I feel frustrated too sometimes but you really have to stop having expectations about your musical skills and your expertise in using production software. I think that's the only way you can actually enjoy your time. I started trying to make a ytpmv a few days ago and it was so much fun despite only demanding making a simple synth and transcribing a melody that was mostly available online.
I can recommend 8bitMusicTheory's videos I only watched a few and even though I don't understand everything I really enjoy them.
“The formation of scales and of the web of harmony is a product of artistic invention, and is in no way given by the natural structure or by the natural behaviour of our hearing, as used to be generally maintained hitherto.”
- Hermann von Helmholtz
Another great video! That last chord is E7(#5#9) I was thinking that another way to "fix" the melody would be to play the F to E down an octave. I think that'd be cool cuz it's similar to what you did with the A minor chord (in other words you took the notes of the chord and by playing them as an arpeggio you made it a melody)
The interval makes me think of old black and white horror films.
We need more like this. Good job 👍
What are inversions in extended chords in terms of figured bass?
Maybe it's because my ears had got used to the thirteen semitone interval early on in the video - or perhaps my brain was just in the mood for dissonance - but when you altered the melody note from F to G, I actually liked it less than the original F. Let me know in the comments if you read my comment. ;)
Perfect means that interval doesn't have a mood, whether major or minor. And the interval is most consonance, means that it's most pleasant interval for hearing
Dunno, I need some crunchiness to enjoy harmony.
Funny, but i liked this melody most in first "ghoulish" iteration 😂
Wouldn't you want to avoid F3, the minor second, playing together as well?
@Jaron Lopez thanks for the vid, the drums sound great, what kit/samples did you use?
Which keyboard is the one on the back?
Guys why Amin6 in google is F# instead of F
Is the last chord an augmented Minor7th #9? Does it work because of the voice leading with the G5 on top?
Having taught myself basic music theory, and being dyslexic, I found the whole minor/ major# naming convention unnecessarily confusing. For me I just name the notes in an octave 1 to 12 with a scales defined by which notes are blanked out.
I am glad that some of these come to me naturally. I guess music school sure does its thing.
Yes Indeed! One of the best things about getting some training in any field is developing instincts that tend to prove more and more useful as you get further along. 🎹
Super Gut _ THX 👍
Thanks for checking it out! 👍
Wow were was the gem chanel hidden
last chord is a turnaround.
oh nooo what is your kick sound tho >.< still great video :D
is the last chord Augmented?
Yes! The bottom half of the chord is augmented and there are a couple tones added to it (above) that give it even more flavor.
I discovered I am really biased towards liking dissonant music. Changing that dissonant F for me feels like removing the sweet spice
A minor 9 has a major ninth though right? You’re talking about a minor flat 9th unless I’m just missing something which is VERY possible.
Think I prefer 13 semitones up to the ebm9. It just sounds horrible to me 🤷🏻♂️
There are situations where I prefer the 13 semitones as well, and other contexts where chords like the Ebm9 gets me closer to my musical intention.
That is what is great about music: different people, tastes, musics, and results.
Always trust and follow your ear!
Anyone else prefer the 13 semitones/are not into the Ebminor9 chord?
this interval may get boring in this context, but only if you repeat this segment in your track as you demonstrate it to us, if there is further development, variation, then this interval will not create a desire to "click next".
There is a twofold feeling, at first there is a feeling that you will just talk about a "bad" interval, then you sort of explain that this is a matter of context, but then why such an emphasis on this particular interval? he is not the only one who works differently in different conditions
I think it's all intentional, so that understanding people comment, apparently
love ypur viceos but is that shoepolish in your hair?
Going from D minor 9 to Eb minor 9 and back sounds much more dissonant and also more unpleasant to me ... I often enjoy dissonance given the "right" context. In this particular case, I don't.
I liked your "Expand melody" and resulting "Sequence" approach the most.
Thanks for sharing your points of view and knowledge. All in all, a great video!
How you get real Lo fi is by dividing the octave into 13 semitones.
trick 5:20
perfect example of overthinking and rigid adherence to arbitrary rules yielding worse results. great music theory lesson though, very informative
Are you sure you're pronouncing the word interval correctly?
Please don't say "inter-a-val."
Ehmm… first (second)