Apple Vision Pro: The Future of Aviation with ForeFlight Voyager

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  • @caspar399
    @caspar399 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    man somebody needs to make a HUD for these

    • @AviatorZone
      @AviatorZone  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Would be cooler if the whole windshield was a display

    • @PilotGates_
      @PilotGates_ 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@AviatorZone yes but the cost of a bird strike will be going up then

    • @AviatorZone
      @AviatorZone  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Could be! Unless we had some AI that can identify the birds as a treat. Far away tech I know but with possible

  • @joelmulder
    @joelmulder 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I can’t believe there aren’t more videos on this, this is absolutely amazing!
    Can it also do replays for our own flights? I would absolutely love to debrief like this!

  • @tranquilitybase6417
    @tranquilitybase6417 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great first release of the app! I’m not even a pilot but I like geeking out.

  • @waterboy330
    @waterboy330 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Id be excited about potentially capabilities to the pilot while flying.

    • @AviatorZone
      @AviatorZone  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I think that might take a little.

  • @boonezavik
    @boonezavik 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    That is so cool seeing the planes on that virtual reality map. This is just the beginning and now that Apple has jumped into this realm there will be a lot of continued innovation. I can’t wait to see Apple’s version of the Ray Ban Meta sunglasses.

    • @AviatorZone
      @AviatorZone  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The day that these things are that small like sunglasses would honestly be game changing. I think it’s a hard challenge and it will take a while but I’m sure at some point it will come!

  • @gerdpfeil
    @gerdpfeil 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    VR headsets are used by flightsim enthusiasts and even for flight training (a few FTDs use VR HMDs) for almost a decade now and I don't see how this will be the big revolution all of a sudden just because Apple releases such a device. Yes, the passthrough is better than on most other devices but it's still scuba diver vision (Apple doesn't even specify the FOV but it's likely

    • @ibsn87
      @ibsn87 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The big difference is the argument between android users and Apple users.
      Android has produced “great hardware”. But hardware is nothing without software.the reason so many people abandon Android phones at the 2 year mark.
      The game changing aspect here is the same as MacBooks. MacBooks are taking more and more of a slice into the market every single day.
      If your a developer would you produce software for 100,000 different Android phones, with different ram, difference cpus, different button layouts and different screen resolutions. Or would you develop your product for an iPhone that has identical layouts and generally similar performance characteristics with a rock solid operating system - and a clear future development and upgrade program?
      Software is what makes phones powerful. It is what will
      Make VR powerful. Apple entering this space has undeniable implications with regard to extending from an already robust IOS and into VR. Many commercial companies have already invested billions into IOS software. The leap will not be too hard. Looks like forefligjt has already dabbled.
      When you refer to flight sims. Your ultimately talking about a second monitor more then your talking about commercial application of augmented reality.
      He’s probably correct. We’ll come back here in 8 years time and revisit this comment.
      (I don’t see Facebook meta getting into commercial applications, and I don’t see developers too interested in making the quest (the most successful VR platform in the world). Their platform of choice when it comes to AR for their apps.
      And we won’t even waste our time with the hundreds of other big brand headsets available that - don’t have software to make them special.

    • @vintagemotorsalways1676
      @vintagemotorsalways1676 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Try for 4 decades lol (in military settings)

    • @vintagemotorsalways1676
      @vintagemotorsalways1676 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ibsn87 ​ Every generation from Apple has somewhat different performance characteristics. Competent developers can integrate a modular UI framework (generally in under a week) that is able to automatically adapt to a variety of form-factors.
      Apple has produced desktop computers in 4 different aspect ratios, several screen sizes, and their performance over the years has changed by full orders of magnitude. Apple's ecosystem contains some of the most annoying platforms to build software for - assuming you care about supporting anything beyond their newest. You have to buy 4 different Apple devices from different generations if you want to support all of them (legally at least - Apple hates virtual machines and hackintoshes).
      Apple made software lockouts between different generations on their own hardware. Some examples: you can't run OS 9 on some iMacs without modding the ROM even though it would otherwise be architecturally compatible had they not gone out of their way to block it. Can't run OS 9 apps under higher versions of OS 10(x) that would otherwise support it without modding because they deliberately block the PPC to i386 version of Rosetta that would otherwise work up to 10.14 from running. Can't run 32 bit apps on anything higher than MacOS 10.14, and they've changed entire architectures 3 times in the last 20 years. So if you want to support everything they have (that people still use for real work) you will need: a G3 based system that supports OS 9 and OS 10 (for publishers), a G4 based system, a G5 based system (because Apple made cross compiling between them incredibly difficult), a 64 bit intel machine that will run 10.14 or below for 32 bit coverage, an Apple silicon machine, and an iPad to test iOS apps on (since they refuse to give MacBooks a touchscreen).
      iPhone form factors range from a measly 4 inches up to 6.7 inches on their newest flagship. Some iPhones have home buttons, some have LiDAR, some have 3D touch, some have a physical slider on the side, some have a headphone jack (often used for peripherals in the past), they use 3 different ports (30 pin, lightning, Type-C) with vastly different data rates from USB 1.1 to USB 3.0. They also still won't let you arrange your icons as you wish (which Android has had since 1.0), or hide factory installed bloat without dumping it into a folder. MacBooks are gaining marketshare because Microsoft are repeatedly making Windows worse (largely from eliminating their QA team and pumping it full of ads); though Chromebooks (which can natively run Android apps) are gaining much more marketshare than MacBooks.
      Android only has 3 button layouts you are likely to encounter: A hardware or software button navigation bar along the bottom, including: home, back, and app switcher (which doesn't affect developers), gestures (as Apple later copied), and voice commands. Most apps by volume are produced for Android first then ported to iOS once they make enough money off of it due to Android's superior developer experience - you can target pretty much every version of Android with a single dropdown box and build your apps from whatever OS you choose, targeting every architecture from a single device.

      Facebook (meta) tried to get into commercial VR with Quest Pro but it wasn't good enough, plenty of companies are buying Quest 3s now though, especially given you get 90% of the functionality of AVP for 1/7th the price, you can afford to outfit 7x as many employees!

      Most android phones have at least double the RAM of a comparably priced iPhone, so unless you are programming your app in a really stupid way, that won't be an issue.

      As far as building hardware goes: Apple blocks many 3rd party installed OEM parts from functioning correctly, even ones removed from working devices. Apple produced many MacBook Pros from 2007-2008 and again in 2011-2012 with faulty underfill on their GPUs and never actually fixed the problem to make those customers whole, despite said GPUs having a 100% failure rate over time - leaving devices unusable when they start failing. They also used dismally low quality thermal paste which dries out in about a year, and then is replaced with the same garbage if you make the mistake of bringing it to one of their so called "Genius" bars.

      With respect to longevity: you can still run the latest apps on a 12 year old Android tablet, thanks to the bootloader being open which allows you to install the latest versions of Android while on the Apple side, you can barely even browse the web with how horribly outdated the only browsers available are - which is a significant contributor to e-waste production long term.

    • @ibsn87
      @ibsn87 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@vintagemotorsalways1676 I appreciate your reply. I’m usually the one making big comments, and adults get upset I’m not talking in 1 sentence replies. What you are saying is very interesting and insightful. However all I can say, is that my anecdotal evidence has shown me, that myself and every single person who bought a MacBook, still has it 8-12+ years later, all of them are getting old but still operate like new, and everyone I know who runs a windows laptop or android is lucky to get a few years out of it (including about 5 I have owned). (I have a windows pc for my editing main computer - and probably always will).
      If you open up very old MacBooks they still run like new - I’ve never seen a 6 year old laptop do this. EVER.
      Apple Store warranty process is absolutely flawless. Android cannot compete at all. And using software on any Apple device, the experience is close to flawless and smooth no matter the generation.
      The single most important thing for me in 2024 is security, and Apple undeniably has this covered much more comprehensively then Android. My entire life is on my phone, I wouldn’t even consider Android as my personal phone for this reason... Such that companies like IBM, who develop some of the most sophisticated software for Pc’s mind you. Encourage their staff to utilize Apple for secure communication.
      I quite literally don’t know anyone who’s using an android that’s more than 3 years old, but I know many people still using everything from iPhone 4/5/6/7 etc.
      I understand, I don’t develop software (my brother does), so my direct input is limited.
      Of course Apple develops new hardware through the models, how is this different to Android. It’s undeniable that the hardware parameters and changes between iPhone are far far less than Android. Optimization of software on Android will never be on par with Apple, for reasons you have just highlighted.
      Ultimately, this is undeniably the user experience on the App Store in INFINITY more consistent then on android. And before we go fanboi, my supplied work phones have always been android. So I’ve sat on both eco systems for 10+ years.
      At the end of the day, having used both systems for many years, on phone and on computers. Apple Store, connectivity, cross compatibility between many devices and friends and family, software features, hardware and everything in between has been a better user experience, it’s been FAR more consistent, it’s been far more reliable and even picking up a brand new Apple phone and turning it on - and it’s all loaded up just like my last one within the hour has been flawless. So. Whatever they are doing. It’s working IMHO.
      Perhaps these systems you speak of, stop developers from being lazy and trying to make software run on systems they should be individually optimized due to generational hardware advances. I get that this may be frustrating for the developers, but it also stops software being pushed out that’s not optimized at all, it generally prevents it from running poorly. In a backward way this protects the user experience. Not like Silicon Valley software devs are struggling to make money 😂
      I have an extremely powerful PC, and what’s absolutely mind blowing is that my wife’s much older MacBook Pro, will render 4k video at times quicker.
      I suspect by using the measures you have mentioned, Apple holds their software developers to a higher standard. They know their working parameters and are forced to make their software run smoothly across very specific hardware parameters.
      Again, anecdotally, and thinking about it logically. I’ve used both. Ive witnessed apple to be superior and last longer for so many reasons. Just because you can run new operating systems on a very old device isn’t necessarily a good thing. If it’s never been optimized for it.
      Sure it “works”. But it’s useless as a whole and will ultimately end up as e waste. (Thinking about loading a new version of windows onto my old
      Laptop that took 5 mins to boot).
      Our very old MacBook Pro, looks and feels like new. And does everything we ask from it. Almost instantly. But sure, it doesn’t have the latest operating system anymore.

  • @RJRobinsonX
    @RJRobinsonX 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Well... Thats amazing.

  • @_Maxl344
    @_Maxl344 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    feels like HMD but for civil aviations

  • @scottdenny2281
    @scottdenny2281 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    They beat me to it. Using Mixed reality for flight training. Especially ground check-lists, pre flight and in flight. Of course, everyone else has had the same idea years ago

  • @gillianorley
    @gillianorley 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great use for these. Every pilot can have a helmet HUD like pilots flying 100 million dollar military fighter planes.
    And how fantastic for flight simulation.

  • @svenf1
    @svenf1 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    At the moment A/VR headsets are still super uncomfi, battery life is low, and much of the experience is more entertainment or proof of concept rather than useful in education - but it is a very exciting outlook for sure!

  • @FlyingEyes27
    @FlyingEyes27 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    If you are an VFR pilot and you can see every plane in the near with clickable informations. Colisions are impossible and the newest landing field data infront of you. Or all flight restriktion zones, so you flying never again in the wrong place.

  • @code_man69
    @code_man69 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Three ways this can impact the aviation industry:
    -3D Radar for IFR Weather Conditions:
    Enhance visibility in IFR (Instrument Flight Rules) weather conditions with a 3D radar system. This technology provides pilots with a comprehensive, real-time view of their surroundings, aiding navigation and ensuring safer flight operations even in challenging weather conditions.
    -Pilot Navigation System with 3D Rendering:
    Revolutionize pilot navigation by replacing traditional iPad-based systems with an advanced solution featuring 3D rendering. Instead of a conventional 2D display, this system presents a dynamic, colored path in three dimensions, offering a more intuitive and immersive experience for pilots to follow during their flights.
    -Affordable Flight Training Simulator:
    Introduce a cost-effective and accessible flight training simulator designed to make pilot training more affordable. This simulator provides realistic flight experiences, allowing aspiring pilots to practice and enhance their skills in a virtual environment, making flight training more accessible to a broader audience.

    • @AviatorZone
      @AviatorZone  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Great points. We are so excited for this technology because used the right way they will be amazing tools for pilots.

    • @JuanQuijanoAbad
      @JuanQuijanoAbad 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      We use VR for flight simulator since a decade.
      This visor never can using in a real plane. Is insecure and very dangerouse.
      Remember, a battery in a plane is dangerouse.
      Comon, low the hype!!

  • @c421t
    @c421t 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    ok ok, calm down. This isn't going to change anything. this same tech has been around for a long time but as soon as Apple puts out something it's like "revolutionary, brilliant, can't believe the future, etc.."

    • @AviatorZone
      @AviatorZone  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Before the Vision Pro no one talked about VR. Now VR is a real thing and there will be more development with it. Doesn’t mean apple invented it but their following will drive innovation.

    • @squawkdude
      @squawkdude 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Apple Watch was late to the game, look how fast they accelerated that market...

    • @gerdpfeil
      @gerdpfeil 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @rZone This is ridiculous. Sure, noone in the Apple Reality Distortion Field (TM) talked about VR, but the rest of the world has been doing this and exploring the potential for almost a decade now , and the reality is that new technology (particularly in GA) has a delay of like 20 years and an entertainment device that always narrows your FOV, with the capability to distract you completely with browser and spreadsheet windows or cutting out your outside vision completely, putting you into a VR gaming world deliberately or by accident/malfunction does not belong into a cockpit, nor will it ever get a certification for that usage. In particular not the AVP, which has nothing "revolutionary" about it except the price, it's a tech demo like all the other consumer HMDs so far, and nobody in and out of the aviation industry wants idiot pilots playing around with this in the cockpit.

    • @ibsn87
      @ibsn87 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Brah. I just did a type rating on the e-190. In VR, I just sat in a full load 27 embraer 190 with almost every button operational for hours before walking into the real sim that cost $3000+ an hour. 35c/kw to run vs $3000. This guy has a vision for where the future is going. And he’s not wrong. He made it pretty clear throughout the video. This is gen 1. He also asked at the end what this could potentially bring.
      I’ve spent more time in VR than most and you would be arrogant to not see a future in learning. Hell. I can already sit in a full blown cinema and watch movies with my friends from all around the world. Throw popcorn at each other if you must. Do we even need cinemas if these become common place in the home.

    • @vintagemotorsalways1676
      @vintagemotorsalways1676 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@AviatorZone Millions of people and mega-corporations spending billions sure is a strange joint-definition for "no one"...

  • @Diesel0821
    @Diesel0821 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Would you just look at that!

    • @AviatorZone
      @AviatorZone  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      They are so cool!!

  • @yabito
    @yabito 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    is like the air force need to use this. why nobody think in this before 🤣🤣🤣🤣. i knew the big helmets were only for show off