Interesting presentation, and I found it pretty clear and understandable despite my not having education in the area, so good communication. Thank you.
@56:11 Ward describes a siamang (a type of gibbon) as close to an ideal "missing link"/LCA. So the process of moving human ancestors out of Africa, away from australopithecines is germinating. Good to know.
Looking forward to more of Dr. Wards work around torso anatomy in hominins and hominids. It's refreshing to hear evidence coming from other than dentition or cranial capacity towards our own evolution. Her insights are much needed. I myself am particularly interested in the difference between sapiens and neanderthal in context of the over arm throw. I'm convinced that neanderthal did not have the torso anatomy nor the range of motion needed to perform all the movements required. We evolved into a persuit predator, while the neanderthal evolved into an ambush predator.
homo sapiens are NOT humans.. neither is neanderthals.. homo sapiens died out 100,000 years ago.. neanderthals lived and died 80,000 to 50,000 years ago.. NO RELATIONSHIP.. modern man is homo sapien sapiens and the oldest dna is 15,000 years old.. NO RELATION to the so-called homo sapiens nor neanderthals.. they are NOT HUMANS.. unethical scientists try to confuse the public by using homo sapien and homo sapien sapiens interchangeably.. thats an Outright LIE and they know it.. the two are separated by 100,000 years.. dr johnny phd
@@johnnyllooddte3415 Are you the one who talked Linda Moulton Howe into using that term? I find the duplication of "sapiens" absolutely irritating. Besides, ALL hominins are "human". Yes, we WERE Homo Sapiens Sapiens. But we've been the same species for the entire 300,000 years we've been around. The theorized proto-sapiens hominin we are descended from was called Homo Sapiens Idaltu, with the scant remains found dated to 160,000 years ago. That's more than likely the unidentified ghost species we've interbred with, however. We need it's DNA to see. You seem to be stuck in a point in time when academia thought we were descended directly from Neanderthal - Homo Sapiens Neanderthalensis - renamed from Homo Neanderthalensis in context of that idea. It's long since been disproven that any of the species we've interbred with were our predecessors, and Homo Sapiens Neanderthalensis is no longer it's taxonomic desitnation. It's back to Homo Neanderthalensis. We're back to Homo Sapiens. When you state that all modern humans are a subspecies of homo sapiens and genetically distinct, you're most likely attempting to suggest the time when the Yamnaya came into the steppes from the north and decimated the Botai and taking their culture and the horse. They eventually bacame the Corded Ware and Bell Beaker cultures. As well as Scythians and Aryans and a boatload of other groups along the way. They migrated in, killing the men and bedding the women in all of Europe over four thousand years. They are also responsible for the introduction of the present gene set for pale skin tones. Prior to them everyone was dark skinned with blue eyes. That was all about eight thousand years ago, not 15,000. If you've not been keeping up with the latest in genetic studies, you might still think like they did in the last century. DNA is an indicator of change, not a driver of change. Form and function of an organism is nowhere to be found in the genome. It's simply a biochemical list.
If 1)all pithecus ancestors of all homo species are found everywhere, not just [in] Africa, and if 2)one particular pithecus had to have been the ancestor of not only sapiens (s) but also neanderthals (n) and denisovans (d), and then if 3) each of the three homos s, n, and d are first found specific to their own respective continents (Africa, Europe, and Asia), wouldn't it stand to reason that our one pithecus ancestor lived somewhere CENTRAL to those three regions, branching out from there, and evolving into these three strains? Rudapithecus seems a good candidate for this. The "sapiens out of Africa" model does NOT require that our nearest ancestor be FROM Africa, just as is the case for either n or d. It may well be that while work continues in Africa at pace, greater and greater levels of attention should be paid to those regions which constitute southeastern Europe or ANE, that is, where a pithecus ancestor could have originated and migrated in all three directions. We seem to be looking for an essentially static ancestor, somewhere in Africa, with a focus on our own [later] migration. I think it's our ancestor's migration we should be aiming to track. I would add to that, that no, we do not need it to be the case that either flores or luzon be derivative, to wit, [that they be such] that they ultimately hail from the ancestor of s, n, or d. It seems, in fact, a great deal more likely that each of them, quite independently, rise from a separate pithecus source, simply following the same path of evolution we see in ourselves ...and far, far pre-dating the wherewithal to navigate the seas. There's no need to force linkages. If a pithecus can evolve into a homo, it ought not need a vast territory in order to do so. It ought need only a relatively safe one. An island is as good as a continent. And if evolving in this way is as very much a given as apparently it is, leading not only to s but also n and d, it should be taken as given that it occurred many times, in many locations, and in ways which were not at all linked. Just because s, n, and d yield linkages, doesn't mean all homos need to or did ...no more than all pitheci did.
gorillas rarely climb into trees. No animal ever turned into a different animal. Lucy was an ape, and so was more of the so called human ancestors. human is not a physical thing.
Unfortunately, hypotheses and assumptions do not represent the truth or reality. There was no evolution of humans from a common ancestor with the apes. It's a conjecture without real evidence. Assumptions are not reality!
Rubbish! Over hundreds of thousands of years of evolution and that's all you got? God created the universe approximately 14 billion years ago he created the earth approximately 4 billion years ago and he created man approximately 6000 years ago.
@@desiderata8811 That's what God says not me. That's how it works. You will not understand the bible unless you ask God to help you understand the word because it has a seal on it.
@@terry1892 .god says? So, one must have the bible and insight to read it. Not a clever way to spread the word. If you understood the bible you would be terrified. Believe me.
This is a fabulous series. Appreciate the collective and the guests.
Interesting presentation, and I found it pretty clear and understandable despite my not having education in the area, so good communication. Thank you.
Amazing presentation!
Fantastic presentation, great detail that shows there is natural design and intelligence within the universe.
Hi, just so wonderful…….take care…
@56:11 Ward describes a siamang (a type of gibbon) as close to an ideal "missing link"/LCA. So the process of moving human ancestors out of Africa, away from australopithecines is germinating. Good to know.
Looking forward to more of Dr. Wards work around torso anatomy in hominins and hominids. It's refreshing to hear evidence coming from other than dentition or cranial capacity towards our own evolution. Her insights are much needed.
I myself am particularly interested in the difference between sapiens and neanderthal in context of the over arm throw. I'm convinced that neanderthal did not have the torso anatomy nor the range of motion needed to perform all the movements required. We evolved into a persuit predator, while the neanderthal evolved into an ambush predator.
homo sapiens are NOT humans.. neither is neanderthals.. homo sapiens died out 100,000 years ago.. neanderthals lived and died 80,000 to 50,000 years ago.. NO RELATIONSHIP..
modern man is homo sapien sapiens and the oldest dna is 15,000 years old.. NO RELATION to the so-called homo sapiens nor neanderthals.. they are NOT HUMANS..
unethical scientists try to confuse the public by using homo sapien and homo sapien sapiens interchangeably.. thats an Outright LIE and they know it..
the two are separated by 100,000 years..
dr johnny phd
@@johnnyllooddte3415 Are you the one who talked Linda Moulton Howe into using that term? I find the duplication of "sapiens" absolutely irritating. Besides, ALL hominins are "human".
Yes, we WERE Homo Sapiens Sapiens. But we've been the same species for the entire 300,000 years we've been around. The theorized proto-sapiens hominin we are descended from was called Homo Sapiens Idaltu, with the scant remains found dated to 160,000 years ago. That's more than likely the unidentified ghost species we've interbred with, however. We need it's DNA to see.
You seem to be stuck in a point in time when academia thought we were descended directly from Neanderthal - Homo Sapiens Neanderthalensis - renamed from Homo Neanderthalensis in context of that idea. It's long since been disproven that any of the species we've interbred with were our predecessors, and Homo Sapiens Neanderthalensis is no longer it's taxonomic desitnation. It's back to Homo Neanderthalensis. We're back to Homo Sapiens.
When you state that all modern humans are a subspecies of homo sapiens and genetically distinct, you're most likely attempting to suggest the time when the Yamnaya came into the steppes from the north and decimated the Botai and taking their culture and the horse. They eventually bacame the Corded Ware and Bell Beaker cultures. As well as Scythians and Aryans and a boatload of other groups along the way. They migrated in, killing the men and bedding the women in all of Europe over four thousand years. They are also responsible for the introduction of the present gene set for pale skin tones. Prior to them everyone was dark skinned with blue eyes. That was all about eight thousand years ago, not 15,000. If you've not been keeping up with the latest in genetic studies, you might still think like they did in the last century.
DNA is an indicator of change, not a driver of change. Form and function of an organism is nowhere to be found in the genome. It's simply a biochemical list.
How did they protect themselves….
If
1)all pithecus ancestors of all homo species are found everywhere, not just [in] Africa,
and if
2)one particular pithecus had to have been the ancestor of not only sapiens (s) but also neanderthals (n) and denisovans (d),
and then if
3) each of the three homos s, n, and d are first found specific to their own respective continents (Africa, Europe, and Asia),
wouldn't it stand to reason that our one pithecus ancestor lived somewhere CENTRAL to those three regions, branching out from there, and evolving into these three strains?
Rudapithecus seems a good candidate for this.
The "sapiens out of Africa" model does NOT require that our nearest ancestor be FROM Africa, just as is the case for either n or d.
It may well be that while work continues in Africa at pace, greater and greater levels of attention should be paid to those regions which constitute southeastern Europe or ANE, that is, where a pithecus ancestor could have originated and migrated in all three directions. We seem to be looking for an essentially static ancestor, somewhere in Africa, with a focus on our own [later] migration. I think it's our ancestor's migration we should be aiming to track.
I would add to that, that no, we do not need it to be the case that either flores or luzon be derivative, to wit, [that they be such] that they ultimately hail from the ancestor of s, n, or d. It seems, in fact, a great deal more likely that each of them, quite independently, rise from a separate pithecus source, simply following the same path of evolution we see in ourselves ...and far, far pre-dating the wherewithal to navigate the seas. There's no need to force linkages. If a pithecus can evolve into a homo, it ought not need a vast territory in order to do so. It ought need only a relatively safe one. An island is as good as a continent. And if evolving in this way is as very much a given as apparently it is, leading not only to s but also n and d, it should be taken as given that it occurred many times, in many locations, and in ways which were not at all linked. Just because s, n, and d yield linkages, doesn't mean all homos need to or did ...no more than all pitheci did.
Well, they would have to protect themselves somehow……rocks, clubs..something to throw at the predator…correct…
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gorillas rarely climb into trees. No animal ever turned into a different animal. Lucy was an ape, and so was more of the so called human ancestors. human is not a physical thing.
Everything needs the evidence…
banned for racism soon lol
Unfortunately, hypotheses and assumptions do not represent the truth or reality. There was no evolution of humans from a common ancestor with the apes. It's a conjecture without real evidence. Assumptions are not reality!
and excavations that exist
Rubbish! Over hundreds of thousands of years of evolution and that's all you got? God created the universe approximately 14 billion years ago he created the earth approximately 4 billion years ago and he created man approximately 6000 years ago.
No, he created the universe 6500 years ago, earth 6000 years ago and people about 5900 years agora.
@@desiderata8811 No! I believe in science as well, they know how old things are. You need to ask God for knowledge and insight.
@@terry1892 . So, god must give me insight to prove you right? How humble you are.
@@desiderata8811 That's what God says not me. That's how it works. You will not understand the bible unless you ask God to help you understand the word because it has a seal on it.
@@terry1892 .god says? So, one must have the bible and insight to read it. Not a clever way to spread the word.
If you understood the bible you would be terrified. Believe me.