Pfft.... 2 years Trupen? Well, I played ZERO hours of space age! that means I will be one of the only creators being able to share their TRUE New Player Experience! Let's discover the experience together, and join our Epic Adventure in my daily livestream starting Monday october 14th Every European Evening CEST (on Twitch & TH-cam)! PS: any trupens are welcome to come point fingers and laugh at me
Nice work Michael You finally did it! (BTW, I am also someone who has played zero hours of space age and am joining you in the "true fresh player experience" starting on the 14th. So is Boldviking. I think we might be the only three. The three musketeers of space age newb-ness!)
Warp Module Disclaimer: I'm not the type of creator who fakes progress in order to get videos out faster (and with my editing style, the relative timesave would usually be negligible). However, between the factorio Space Age emargo dropping one week earlier than I expected, and a medical emergency in my family, I lost a LOT of time I thought I had available to finish the Grand Finale of an entire YEAR's work (see how those 3 hours would usually mean nothing). I had already given up hope to release in time, but as the situation stabilzed I've been able to spend the last 5 days and night frantically recording, scripting and editing for over 16 hours per day (hey it's past 4:00 AM when I'm typing this, and the finale premieres at 9:00 AM, so at least I'll get a better night of sleep tonight compared to the last few!), I realized there was a chance I could still make my self-declared deadline. For this reason I decided to skip the 3h of warp module grinding, and I'm glad I did because it turns out to ACTUALLY have been a significant contribution to being able to release in time! So yeah. I know the purists will mind, heck, *I* mind. I wanted to put this disclaimer in the video somewhere, but I couldn't find a good place to put it without breaking the flow or immersion. Hope you enjoy the finale nonetheless! Michael
honestly glad to hear you didn't actually grind warp modules for three hours. that sounds less "challenging" and more "tedious". I don't want to see you suffer for boring reasons.
The uranium fuel system is absurd. Mine uranium, put it on the coal belt, then it rides that belt down and gets filtered out before entering The Factory, and gets processed into fuel. That fuel doesn't just go down to the boiler floor; it returns to the surface, gets loaded on a train, and gets put on a _different_ coal belt and has to be filtered out before going to the boiler floor. Love it.
Only you would be so crazy to make sure the each science pack is color matched to the inserters. That level of perfection, of sheer elegance is what makes you the best factorio player by far! I cant wait to see you go wild on the new Space Age!
For me, the supercuts are great when I want to go back and re-watch the series, as it means I don't have to keep clicking through different videos! Thanks for the great content - again.
Only a couple minutes into the video and am already amazed by how much effort you put into the editing and ideas. In the first month of Space Age's release, I want to play and experience it by myself, but afterwards I will catch up on your playthroughs. I love your style. Keep on doing your impressive work
True, but you never know exactly how much damage you'll take before the battle's over. You know how much margin for error you have, but not how big the errors will be.
The best part of this whole base for me is that if he didn't account for it, ever flowing uranium ore could actually potentially end up limiting his science throughput.
uranium ore clogs up the coal belt and the base grinds to a halt (but it will take like 1000 hours for that to happen, and I'll probably figure out by hour 777 I can just burn excess fuel cells in standalone reactors
Grande Finale indeed. Without a triple bait of The Finale / Finale finale part 2 / Grand Finale Finale [3/3]!!!1!. P. s. ;) The Space age playthrough is announced, but yet indestructible biters are still waiting somewhere among the darkness and the void, feeling comfortable and fullypleased with their unannounced victory! Khm-khm at least in the first round I meant. I believe besides the cheaters, Only One Talented German can for real beat such a challenge. P.s.s: What have you been doing before factorio and youtube/twich if it's not a secret, cause actually those playthrough's are being such a well structured and disciplined engineering gameplays, I guess, that it's kind could be obvious that before you were doing something in a real engineering or similar
After seeing the base i understand what took you so long to design it. Absolutely incredible builds as always Michael i love all your Factorio series and streams :D
What an amazing play through. I binge watched the entire lot over a couple of days. The attention to detail, the jokes, the pulling out of hair when as a viewer you notice small mistakes that eventually get fixed several episodes later (I'm looking at you red inserter). What a ride. Thank you so much for this Mike, it was superb.
What a finale! (Though I haven'T finished watching it yet.) I do wonder though: Do you actually need to mine uranium? I thought for sure nuclear fuel reprocessing + covarex + fuel cell crafting with 100% bonus productivity would give you an infinite cycle .
I think the base fits into 250x250 tiles, so it probably will be ok. I may have to REMOVE the fluid pumps to keep throughput high enough. The fact that I have to say that last line makes me think the new fluid system isn't gonna be all that great
@MichaelHendriks the issue I saw was that the new system has equal flows, so to do priorities for your cracking vs lubricant, you will have to do something more.
Damn Mike! This was a great watch, I enjoyed it so much I have rewatched it! I love the dual base idea too, the simple sushi belt is neat. I’ve heard you refer to your Ultimate Deathworld series as you magnum opus, which I’d agree with, but this episode shows you’ve still got some more masterpieces for us!
Amazing work again! Always learning something new from your videos (as unlikely as it could looks like at first, those sushi belts got me by surprise). Thank you for your hard work!
Mike!!! Your videos are always a pleasure to watch. I loved following this series, and admire that despite the inconveniences of your disclaimer, you took the time to make something really fun and fleshed out. Amazing spaghetti.
Very sad to see this series come to a close after following it from the beginning nearly a year ago... BUT thank you for the epic send off with such a Warptorio-worthy megabase! You even opted for a cursed train to handle the Uranium Fuel Cells, when 3D printing a few Warp Loaders could've handled the logistics... but I digress. On to 2.0!
What a blast! Every week i was hoping you were able to produce one more. The series is addictive and the level of detail is insane. Time to binchwatch the 50hours of desgingen i quess!
You have a brilliant mind. Captivating watching as always. The additional complexity of Space Age will enable you to blow our minds even more! Fantastic.
Nice big finale! And the biggest warp yet, skipping past 50 hours of design to do a grand tour. I still can't believe you only need ONE gear assembler for the entire endgame 2k SPM base.
Wow, what a base. First off, congrats! This is a master level base! So much thought and planning went into all of it... Have some internet cookies (no, not *those* kinds of cookies!)/pats on the back from TH-cam Commenter A here! Few things of extra note: 1. Fascinating trick you used to sneak some uranium into the base! 2. The amount of precision in the modules is crazy. 3. Will the 2.0 fluids mess with that lube/cracking setup? (I know that lube requires so little that in actuality it prolly won't kill it, but if the ratios were even slightly more balanced, then all inputs getting access to the whole pipe network would cause issues, right?) (3.5. That leads into my side question of I hope that when 2.0 comes out, I'll be able to like, flip flop between using 1.0 and 2.0 cause I have things that are still WIPs that I don't want 2.0 stuff in... Anyway, that's a topic for a different place) 4. Lovely mechanical sushi! 5. Lastly, I am totally on team belt. Long live the belts! Long live the sushi! Begone the logi bots, and may they be banished from my base! Once more, HUGE congrats! That is an awesome looking base! I certainly massively enjoyed the entire series, awesome to watch!
Is it spaghetti? To beginners, it is. To connoisseurs it is a carefully crafted Piece Of Art. Dear Sir, this is no spaghetti. It is The Spaghetti. The wavy science consumption pattern irons out? I think you meant it spaces out. Ha. Not sure why this had to be a single, 100min episode tho.. It would have been healthier to us fans, if it had been split in two :D "Think of the children!"
13:15 yes I had been so afraid, yes I had been so distant, consistently indifferent... (nobody's going to get this reference and that's okay, I typed it for myself)
31:28 I always wondered what your native language was. Hätte nicht gedacht, dass es Deutsch ist. Thanks for this great project. Hast mit Warptorio eine der besten und spannendsten Factorio-Playlists herausgebracht 🔝🙏🏼
1:04:50 ☝️🤓 ummmm, actually, you didn’t need that first sideloading, the Cells are already on the right side of the belt for sideloading into that Underground. Nice base but that flaw was an inefficient waste of yellow belts. *Redesign it.* Real talk, this was such an incredible playthrough to watch. Warptorio looked goofy to me so I wasn't watching any videos on it, but I trusted my gut that Michael Hendriks' would be worth watching. Gut was right. A seriously impressive factory in such a tight space, and in only 8 warps. Also it's not like you need me to tell you this, but it's so cool that this can be your job. I'm glad that you’ve achieved the highest badge of honor a Factorio player can imagine: to have literally anyone care enough to listen to you explain the details of your base's design. 😂 I will be watching the Supercut when it releases, and am excited to watch you play Space Age!
would you have the time and / or willingness to make a "highlight" video about the planning process of the megabase ? as much fun as it is to watch it finally work , im usually more interested in the "puzzle solving" part of the game . and with all due respect , even if i had the disposable income to join the patreon , i am NOT watching the full uncut 50 ish hours of that xD (although i might come by just to watch the excel portion with the calculations , we'll see how the rest of october treats me)
It's interesting to hear that you haven't played any space age. I'd be surprised if you weren't invited to the Lan party, so did you say no? Did you spend your time there playing Warptorio? Or were you not invited after all?
The missing tech is **Warp Loaders**. Sad, because it's my single fave tech from Warptorio. Anything fed into them enters the pocket dimension, and can be removed with another Warp Loader with a filter applied -- basically can be used to trivialize belt runs. The biggest downside to them is that while its fast enough to be fed by blue belts, it spits out items at red belt speed, meaning you can't saturate a blue belt without using 4 Warp Loaders in a 2x2 side-loading arrangement. They also terribly misbehave if you Warp your platform with Loaders built and in operation. They take an astronomical amount of Iron to craft: 50 of every blue belt, 200 plates, 200 gears. Can be 3D printed if you do it under the 140% Productivity setup.
That three hours of printing (yes, I saw the relevant post) is exactly why I gave up on modded and even vanilla Minecraft. Vanilla doesn't really have content that interested me single player past the first couple of hours in a world. Most of the packs I encountered were less, "can you overcome this challenge" and more, "are you willing to branch mine for 11 hours to get the necessary resources to automate everyhting?" I have only respect for the people who will put up with that. It's just not for me. In most games I just don't enjoy the underlying mechanics enough to put up with it myself.
Pfft.... 2 years Trupen? Well, I played ZERO hours of space age! that means I will be one of the only creators being able to share their TRUE New Player Experience! Let's discover the experience together, and join our Epic Adventure in my daily livestream starting Monday october 14th Every European Evening CEST (on Twitch & TH-cam)!
PS: any trupens are welcome to come point fingers and laugh at me
I'll be watching the vods for sure
STOP ANNOUNCING SO MANY LIVESTREAM! I don't have enough monitors to watch them all.
Nice work Michael You finally did it! (BTW, I am also someone who has played zero hours of space age and am joining you in the "true fresh player experience" starting on the 14th. So is Boldviking. I think we might be the only three. The three musketeers of space age newb-ness!)
Wube will watch the stream with fear of all new exploits you'll find :D
smart strategy :D
Warp Module Disclaimer: I'm not the type of creator who fakes progress in order to get videos out faster (and with my editing style, the relative timesave would usually be negligible). However, between the factorio Space Age emargo dropping one week earlier than I expected, and a medical emergency in my family, I lost a LOT of time I thought I had available to finish the Grand Finale of an entire YEAR's work (see how those 3 hours would usually mean nothing). I had already given up hope to release in time, but as the situation stabilzed I've been able to spend the last 5 days and night frantically recording, scripting and editing for over 16 hours per day (hey it's past 4:00 AM when I'm typing this, and the finale premieres at 9:00 AM, so at least I'll get a better night of sleep tonight compared to the last few!), I realized there was a chance I could still make my self-declared deadline. For this reason I decided to skip the 3h of warp module grinding, and I'm glad I did because it turns out to ACTUALLY have been a significant contribution to being able to release in time! So yeah. I know the purists will mind, heck, *I* mind. I wanted to put this disclaimer in the video somewhere, but I couldn't find a good place to put it without breaking the flow or immersion. Hope you enjoy the finale nonetheless!
Michael
hope everything is okay dude. ill be here for when the vid is available :)
Mate! Prioritise health and loved ones! Your audience will understand im sure.
i hope everything goes well, best regards mate we all are humans... into some extend .. now sincerely i hope everything goes well in the end..
You don't owe the majority of us anything, and I hope things are ok with your family now
honestly glad to hear you didn't actually grind warp modules for three hours. that sounds less "challenging" and more "tedious". I don't want to see you suffer for boring reasons.
There's belt weaving, then there is belt **tapestry**
The uranium fuel system is absurd. Mine uranium, put it on the coal belt, then it rides that belt down and gets filtered out before entering The Factory, and gets processed into fuel. That fuel doesn't just go down to the boiler floor; it returns to the surface, gets loaded on a train, and gets put on a _different_ coal belt and has to be filtered out before going to the boiler floor.
Love it.
All because of a self imposed rule that he can't use the warp rails to import stuff but he can use them to export, so beautiful
Mick Hendriks Made a Sushi Belt!!! I'm so proud of him... wait...where are the circuits?
HE'S A MADMAN!
Only you would be so crazy to make sure the each science pack is color matched to the inserters. That level of perfection, of sheer elegance is what makes you the best factorio player by far! I cant wait to see you go wild on the new Space Age!
For me, the supercuts are great when I want to go back and re-watch the series, as it means I don't have to keep clicking through different videos! Thanks for the great content - again.
Only a couple minutes into the video and am already amazed by how much effort you put into the editing and ideas. In the first month of Space Age's release, I want to play and experience it by myself, but afterwards I will catch up on your playthroughs. I love your style. Keep on doing your impressive work
7:53 - The only hit-point that matters is the last one.
True, but you never know exactly how much damage you'll take before the battle's over. You know how much margin for error you have, but not how big the errors will be.
The best part of this whole base for me is that if he didn't account for it, ever flowing uranium ore could actually potentially end up limiting his science throughput.
Absolutely Amazing video. What an awesome base at the end.
5 seconds in --- oh yeah we absolutely share a diagnosis... I've said it before and I'll say it again; exquisite work.
What happens when the uranium fuel cell buffer is full?
uranium ore clogs up the coal belt and the base grinds to a halt (but it will take like 1000 hours for that to happen, and I'll probably figure out by hour 777 I can just burn excess fuel cells in standalone reactors
Keep the good work Mike!
Be sure to take care of your family and yourself.
1:42:48 He says while ignoring the biter island in the north
Grande Finale indeed. Without a triple bait of The Finale / Finale finale part 2 / Grand Finale Finale [3/3]!!!1!.
P. s. ;) The Space age playthrough is announced, but yet indestructible biters are still waiting somewhere among the darkness and the void, feeling comfortable and fullypleased with their unannounced victory! Khm-khm at least in the first round I meant. I believe besides the cheaters, Only One Talented German can for real beat such a challenge.
P.s.s: What have you been doing before factorio and youtube/twich if it's not a secret, cause actually those playthrough's are being such a well structured and disciplined engineering gameplays, I guess, that it's kind could be obvious that before you were doing something in a real engineering or similar
Great series and finale! Seeing a new episode randomly was always a highlight for my day :)
After seeing the base i understand what took you so long to design it. Absolutely incredible builds as always Michael i love all your Factorio series and streams :D
What an amazing serie! Congratulation :D
Can't wait to see you playing with the new expansion!
What an amazing play through. I binge watched the entire lot over a couple of days. The attention to detail, the jokes, the pulling out of hair when as a viewer you notice small mistakes that eventually get fixed several episodes later (I'm looking at you red inserter). What a ride. Thank you so much for this Mike, it was superb.
This was the best series of factorio you produced, super entertaining and well planed, 10/10
What a finale! (Though I haven'T finished watching it yet.)
I do wonder though: Do you actually need to mine uranium? I thought for sure nuclear fuel reprocessing + covarex + fuel cell crafting with 100% bonus productivity would give you an infinite cycle .
Dank voor de series, ik heb ervan genoten!
A bit sad that the new fluids overhaul will probably break this slightly.
I think the base fits into 250x250 tiles, so it probably will be ok. I may have to REMOVE the fluid pumps to keep throughput high enough. The fact that I have to say that last line makes me think the new fluid system isn't gonna be all that great
@MichaelHendriks the issue I saw was that the new system has equal flows, so to do priorities for your cracking vs lubricant, you will have to do something more.
Damn Mike! This was a great watch, I enjoyed it so much I have rewatched it! I love the dual base idea too, the simple sushi belt is neat. I’ve heard you refer to your Ultimate Deathworld series as you magnum opus, which I’d agree with, but this episode shows you’ve still got some more masterpieces for us!
Amazing work again! Always learning something new from your videos (as unlikely as it could looks like at first, those sushi belts got me by surprise). Thank you for your hard work!
according to 23:47, Mike's threshold for rounding is somewhere between 983 and 989
more data needed
Mike!!! Your videos are always a pleasure to watch. I loved following this series, and admire that despite the inconveniences of your disclaimer, you took the time to make something really fun and fleshed out. Amazing spaghetti.
Very sad to see this series come to a close after following it from the beginning nearly a year ago... BUT thank you for the epic send off with such a Warptorio-worthy megabase!
You even opted for a cursed train to handle the Uranium Fuel Cells, when 3D printing a few Warp Loaders could've handled the logistics... but I digress. On to 2.0!
What a blast! Every week i was hoping you were able to produce one more. The series is addictive and the level of detail is insane. Time to binchwatch the 50hours of desgingen i quess!
It's been awesome watching this develop, thanks!
Good to see little Johnny all grown up
The requester chest priority bit is incredible. Can't wait to find some niche way to use it!
Loved the series! Hopefully the space age content will bring lots of new viewers to your channel's videos :)
I think this series is going to be very nostalgic after the 2.0 release changes everything.
Ok what happned to the audio? like it sounded WAY better like 7 months ago.
Great series. Magnificent editing.
What Mike really meant in the end is "Supercut = bonus clicks"
You have a brilliant mind. Captivating watching as always. The additional complexity of Space Age will enable you to blow our minds even more! Fantastic.
This is beautiful. Could watch it for hours like busy train intersections. This is peak Cracktorio
Nice big finale! And the biggest warp yet, skipping past 50 hours of design to do a grand tour. I still can't believe you only need ONE gear assembler for the entire endgame 2k SPM base.
Wow! Really god work, really enjoyed this
This man must truly be mad. I’m in awe of what he has created!
"Why the *chhhhhh* is there a train stop there?" Love it
I enjoyed! Thanks so much!
This was an amazing series from start to end
build some 300 radars on the upper spot to reveal those biter squatters you see on the map
Hey Mike, question, are we getting a world download? (Non patreon supporters?) And, are we getting an updated blueprint book?
same here :(
Wow, what a base. First off, congrats! This is a master level base! So much thought and planning went into all of it... Have some internet cookies (no, not *those* kinds of cookies!)/pats on the back from TH-cam Commenter A here!
Few things of extra note:
1. Fascinating trick you used to sneak some uranium into the base!
2. The amount of precision in the modules is crazy.
3. Will the 2.0 fluids mess with that lube/cracking setup? (I know that lube requires so little that in actuality it prolly won't kill it, but if the ratios were even slightly more balanced, then all inputs getting access to the whole pipe network would cause issues, right?)
(3.5. That leads into my side question of I hope that when 2.0 comes out, I'll be able to like, flip flop between using 1.0 and 2.0 cause I have things that are still WIPs that I don't want 2.0 stuff in... Anyway, that's a topic for a different place)
4. Lovely mechanical sushi!
5. Lastly, I am totally on team belt. Long live the belts! Long live the sushi! Begone the logi bots, and may they be banished from my base!
Once more, HUGE congrats! That is an awesome looking base! I certainly massively enjoyed the entire series, awesome to watch!
Is it spaghetti? To beginners, it is. To connoisseurs it is a carefully crafted Piece Of Art. Dear Sir, this is no spaghetti. It is The Spaghetti.
The wavy science consumption pattern irons out? I think you meant it spaces out. Ha.
Not sure why this had to be a single, 100min episode tho.. It would have been healthier to us fans, if it had been split in two :D "Think of the children!"
13:15 yes I had been so afraid, yes I had been so distant, consistently indifferent... (nobody's going to get this reference and that's okay, I typed it for myself)
I disagree. The sleeper agents are everywhere.
@@lit.8706 trigger phrase: the lyrics from any mili song
magnificent work
31:28 I always wondered what your native language was. Hätte nicht gedacht, dass es Deutsch ist. Thanks for this great project. Hast mit Warptorio eine der besten und spannendsten Factorio-Playlists herausgebracht 🔝🙏🏼
It's Dutch, he's from The Netherlands
Wow, nice job :)
I'm trying to get all achievements, before 2.0. For the first time in 10 years :) Only have to do the 20M green chips.
I saw the true cursed image @1:40:55
1 non-infinite research left (boiler floor super substation, located at the hazard concrete @1:39:53)
wait I thought the DLC came out on the 21st!!! Did I mess up my PTO and set it a week early!!??
the embargo to speak about it ends 14th
Chapter 1: “What?!” 😮
Chapter 2: “What?!” 😮
Chapter 3: “What?!” 😮
...
Chapter n-1: ”What?!” 😮
Chapter n: “What?!” 😮
Are those loot chests Normal, Uncommon, Rare, Epic, or Legendary? 😂
I took a week off of work for space age, Im so hyped
46:59 for some reason the items craftet in the assembler ratio is not corresponding with the modules in the inventory.............
Been looking forward to this one!
1:04:50 ☝️🤓 ummmm, actually, you didn’t need that first sideloading, the Cells are already on the right side of the belt for sideloading into that Underground. Nice base but that flaw was an inefficient waste of yellow belts.
*Redesign it.*
Real talk, this was such an incredible playthrough to watch. Warptorio looked goofy to me so I wasn't watching any videos on it, but I trusted my gut that Michael Hendriks' would be worth watching. Gut was right. A seriously impressive factory in such a tight space, and in only 8 warps.
Also it's not like you need me to tell you this, but it's so cool that this can be your job. I'm glad that you’ve achieved the highest badge of honor a Factorio player can imagine: to have literally anyone care enough to listen to you explain the details of your base's design. 😂
I will be watching the Supercut when it releases, and am excited to watch you play Space Age!
would you have the time and / or willingness to make a "highlight" video about the planning process of the megabase ? as much fun as it is to watch it finally work , im usually more interested in the "puzzle solving" part of the game . and with all due respect , even if i had the disposable income to join the patreon , i am NOT watching the full uncut 50 ish hours of that xD (although i might come by just to watch the excel portion with the calculations , we'll see how the rest of october treats me)
It's interesting to hear that you haven't played any space age. I'd be surprised if you weren't invited to the Lan party, so did you say no? Did you spend your time there playing Warptorio? Or were you not invited after all?
is there anything to stop uranium fuel cells from backing up and clogging the coal belt?
What’s that one warp research that you missed?
The missing tech is **Warp Loaders**. Sad, because it's my single fave tech from Warptorio. Anything fed into them enters the pocket dimension, and can be removed with another Warp Loader with a filter applied -- basically can be used to trivialize belt runs. The biggest downside to them is that while its fast enough to be fed by blue belts, it spits out items at red belt speed, meaning you can't saturate a blue belt without using 4 Warp Loaders in a 2x2 side-loading arrangement. They also terribly misbehave if you Warp your platform with Loaders built and in operation.
They take an astronomical amount of Iron to craft: 50 of every blue belt, 200 plates, 200 gears. Can be 3D printed if you do it under the 140% Productivity setup.
good job! 👏
Man... the end of an era.
at 24:15, im seeing more land above the main island; isn't that going ot cause an issue?
34:19 yes yes yes yes
Sadly just needs the Tree (TM)
And - I do appreciate the few text overlays / jokes. Reminds me of the olden times.
you have water and uranium cells top side, why craft/insert warp-cells into the super reactor?
what is with the giant free areas at the sides
not covered by the warp beacon, may as well build outside at that point
@@MichaelHendriks thanks
Can you add in a post or something the bonues tab at the end?
Yes, yes!
yes
I see your Fraps.
Wait wait so the game is available the 21 pct pr 14 October ?
What a ride!
this is gonna be a lot isn't it
*EDITING MIKE YO*
1:10:58 i've lost my cursor in this mess.
Only 22 "anyway" today :(
While I don't like you personally I have to admire your dedication and skills, bravo ~
That three hours of printing (yes, I saw the relevant post) is exactly why I gave up on modded and even vanilla Minecraft. Vanilla doesn't really have content that interested me single player past the first couple of hours in a world. Most of the packs I encountered were less, "can you overcome this challenge" and more, "are you willing to branch mine for 11 hours to get the necessary resources to automate everyhting?" I have only respect for the people who will put up with that. It's just not for me. In most games I just don't enjoy the underlying mechanics enough to put up with it myself.
I love your videos, but please don't use schizophrenic like that. That's ableist, and it doesn't even mean what you think it means either.
Lol
It's strange: the word ‘weird’ is increasingly associated with off-the-wall politicians. At least from me