@@electrasong “Throughout the first years of our lives we were forced not just to internalize a few aspects of capital, but to build up a structure of internalizations. As our capacity for coherent natural self-regulation was systematically broken down, a new system of self regulation took its place, a coherent system, incorporating all the aspects of self-repression. We participated in capital’s ongoing project of colonization by colonizing ourselves, by continually working at the construction of a unitary character-structure (character armor), a unitary defense against all drives, feelings, and desires which we learned were dangerous to express. In the place of our original transparent relations to our world, we created a structure of barriers to our selfexpression which hides us from ourselves and others.”Jay Amrod and Lev Chernyi, “Beyond Character and Morality: Towards Transparent Communications and Coherent Organization.” Howard J. Ehrlich ed. Reinventing Anarchy, Again (San Francisco, California: AK Press, 1996), 321
Thank you for that. I worked in and around our public education system and this material would have been exciting to the humdrum usual. Greetings from Peace Corps Morocco
...and fast forwarding to the present (2022) you probably would have never thought it would be viewed as teaching crt and possibly banned in some schools...smh
Thank you for uploading this discussion. A conversation with the great writers...Baldwin, Hansberry, Hughes...that is a part of history that should be seen by all, shared, and never forgotten ☺
The brilliance on display here is so dense repeated listening will be required to unpack it. Even though densely rich, it is immediately accessible to even the least educated. These are true public intellectuals on disply with such respect for each other. Inspiring!
I really wish there was video of this conversation. Shit, I would have loved to have been in the room while these powerhouses were discussing these topics.
I love this man and way he thinks.... Far beyond his years and gone to soon. The exact things he was talking about over 50 years ago we are facing it now. As Mr. Baldwin quoted I dont want anything... All I want is to be left alone.
Fabulous teaching video very informative and much needed to be heard in this day and time. I'm so glad that I stumbled upon this, thank you Most High. Excellent video.
I just love that Langston Hughes published his poem ‘Harlem’ in 1951, which said, “What happens to a dream deferred? Does it dry up Like a raisin in the sun?” And Lorraine Hansberry published her ‘A Raisin in the Sun’ in 1959. And of course James Baldwin, who always had the perfect thing to say. Three beautiful masterminds and poets here
This is a STAGGERINGLY articulate and blindingly intellectual conversation between these individuals. When was the last time - say within the last 20 years - within this new millenia - you heard ANYONE speaking so articulately on any subject? Have we 'dumbed down' in the last 60 years? It seems so.
Thank you Marcus Thompson for sharing this on the Athletic. As a white person, I will make an effort to not just be a bystander, I will try to stand on the side of you
"If you kill you can accept being killed. If you hate you can accept being hated. If you oppress you can accept being oppressed!" One of my personal quotes. Read Wikipedia's Category: Racially motivated violence against African Americans. How can the oppressor be more offended than the OPPRESSED?
I think i hear what Karin is saying, he’s saying : the white writer’s perception of a negro is true to the write readers no matter how faulty their reality is.
I think it is interesting how much space the white man takes up in this conversation. I wonder where this conversation would have gone without him. And he seems especially decent compared to many white people, and yet... quite obtuse, and overly stuck on his points. In conversation with such amazing people, it would be great if he let his point fall to the side and let the conversation evolve to other places. Disclaimer: I’m a white man
OAR Scholarship That is true but the purpose of the talk is to highlight the Negro American. It would be like if I went to a talk about China and a Russian dominated the conversation. If I wanted to hear the white perspective on the Negro in American culture, I would have listened to another video. More so, the desire to dominate the conversation is sadly a hallmark of our culture. This was a time for him listen more and talk less.
Rather than get caught up on how much of a conversation an individual is 'taking up'.. why not concentrate on what he's saying especially if that person is adding another dimension to the understanding of one group in relation to others. You say the 'white guy'' as in Western European style 'white' , but Alfred Kazin is Eastern European jewish, probably first generation American. It's a different spin on the ball. If you're talking about Emile Capouya, he is a heavy academic with a list of credits as long as both arms. Academics tend to talk a lot. They feel they have achieved the intellectual 'high ground' and thus are accustommed to lecturing others.
@@electrasong What’s implied is not only do they have nothing of direct importance to say but because they insist on talking instead of listening they hurt the conversation. I don’t care if Emile Capouya has 100 degrees. There are places in Black communities that he has never been, conversations that he will never hear and an experience that he will never understand. If he was going to be in the discussion he should have listened more and talked less. These are three of the greatest Black artists our country has ever produced and they are drowned out by someone who has no actual experience of the subject matter. That is a perfect metaphor for America. And as far as Alfred Kazin goes, the title is Negro in American Culture. How many Black dinner tables has Mr. Kazin been at? Personally, I’d have preferred them to not be part of the conversation at all. Because of their perspective - the perspective of the dominant society that inherently oppressed Black culture - affects the conversation. As someone who has to understand racism and how this society treats black people as a matter of survival, I can say that none of the two gentlemen you mentioned were enlightened enough about race to be part of the conversation. More so, their desire to talk so much as they did invokes images of a man trying to talk over his Wife after he asks her for her perspective/opinion.
Sometimes Langston Hughes annoys my soul, but he sure could write. Lol 13:50 is one of those times he annoyed me. Glad Lorraine checked his absurd "good ol' boy" rhetoric.
I would say that William Faulkner presented a very true picture of Black characters....the way the Black American was seen by him and the way he was educated in his own household, though there may have been many holes and illusions....contorted versions. It let us, the opposite of White, see a glimpse into the minds of our Oppressors and let us know just how much work we had to do if we were going to find any hope of breaking the unbearable cycle....and chains!
We love to be mistreated, all we do is talk, rally, march or pray. We never unionize, centralize and or respect each other as American from African decent
There is a history of black leaders who stood for that being brutally murdered or jailed. What you say is what is needed and it needs thousands of leaders so the movements cant be decapitated.
Katharine Larkin you have stated one of our greatest problem. Who will we as a people follow as a whole? We are divided spiritually, socially, and economically. For example The Civil Rights Aggression force our wealth out of our communities. Do this for me, examine what we lost vs what we gained from The Civil Rights Aggression?
WriteIsRight love the tag line, you must be a writer. One, my people hate to hear this but we must segregated ourselves financially, educationally, industrially. We are a people whom are always being exploited and our greatest mind are cherry picked from our communities and make other people wealthy, that’s insane. Basically I have through study found that African/ Black Nationalism has been an idea within our race for decades, the problem is we are afraid to believe in ourselves totally.
I love James Baldwin, but Lorraine Hansberry was on fire! I LOVE her. WOW
In a word , FANTASTIC !!!
She really does run circles around everyone there
She speaks impossibly eloquently, and has the most beautiful voice!!!
@@electrasong “Throughout the first years of our lives we were forced not just to internalize a few aspects of capital, but to build up a structure of internalizations. As our capacity for coherent natural self-regulation was systematically broken down, a new system of self regulation took its place, a coherent system, incorporating all the aspects of self-repression. We participated in capital’s ongoing project of colonization by colonizing ourselves, by continually working at the construction of a unitary character-structure (character armor), a unitary defense against all drives, feelings, and desires which we learned were dangerous to express. In the place of our original transparent relations to our world, we created a structure of barriers to our selfexpression which hides us from ourselves and others.”Jay Amrod and Lev Chernyi, “Beyond Character and Morality: Towards Transparent Communications and Coherent Organization.” Howard J. Ehrlich ed. Reinventing Anarchy, Again (San Francisco, California: AK Press, 1996), 321
I agree hunred percent. So sad she died at 35 y.o. Can you imagine!
I thought I had seen and heard all that was available of Baldwin. when I saw this i almost wept.
As a NYC teacher, I have to create a unit around these conversations. 💕
Thank you for that. I worked in and around our public education system and this material would have been exciting to the humdrum usual. Greetings from Peace Corps Morocco
Excellent
...and fast forwarding to the present (2022) you probably would have never thought it would be viewed as teaching crt and possibly banned in some schools...smh
Your class sounds enchanting with just that sentence
Very curious to hear that unit if you would be willing to share
Best commentary on the Black Writer I have ever heard. Really invaluable audio of the best Black Writers of the 20th century.
Thank you for uploading this discussion. A conversation with the great writers...Baldwin, Hansberry, Hughes...that is a part of history that should be seen by all, shared, and never forgotten ☺
The brilliance on display here is so dense repeated listening will be required to unpack it. Even though densely rich, it is immediately accessible to even the least educated. These are true public intellectuals on disply with such respect for each other. Inspiring!
I really wish there was video of this conversation. Shit, I would have loved to have been in the room while these powerhouses were discussing these topics.
Troy Ballard would be worth the price of admission.
Extraordinary conversation...Thank you...And yes Hansberry is indeed "on fire"... Brilliant. I wish there was more of her on TH-cam.
thank u so much for uploading this. i absolutely love Baldwin.
This is one of those moments before 1963, bringing together Importantly Amazing Black Writers !
I love this man and way he thinks.... Far beyond his years and gone to soon. The exact things he was talking about over 50 years ago we are facing it now. As Mr. Baldwin quoted I dont want anything... All I want is to be left alone.
Fabulous teaching video very informative and much needed to be heard in this day and time. I'm so glad that I stumbled upon this, thank you Most High. Excellent video.
We were hoodwinked as Malcolm X stated. These literary giants were militant.
I was 11 years old when these brilliant beings discussed these issues that we are still dealing with.
I just love that Langston Hughes published his poem ‘Harlem’ in 1951, which said,
“What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?”
And Lorraine Hansberry published her ‘A Raisin in the Sun’ in 1959.
And of course James Baldwin, who always had the perfect thing to say.
Three beautiful masterminds and poets here
This is a STAGGERINGLY articulate and blindingly intellectual conversation between these individuals. When was the last time - say within the last 20 years - within this new millenia - you heard ANYONE speaking so articulately on any subject? Have we 'dumbed down' in the last 60 years? It seems so.
very dumbed down. not on accident though
"To destroy the abstraction for the sake of the specific in this case is an error" - Hansberry
Meaning
This is a great discussion.
The Literary weight in that room ☺️
Hansberry really speaks to America's love of Lost Cause ideology. She's so brilliant!
Amazing!!!!! Thhank you!!!!!
This is so good.
Brilliant! 🔥
Peace and love...
Would that they were here today.
*wish
Thank you Marcus Thompson for sharing this on the Athletic. As a white person, I will make an effort to not just be a bystander, I will try to stand on the side of you
"If you kill you can accept being killed. If you hate you can accept being hated. If you oppress you can accept being oppressed!" One of my personal quotes. Read Wikipedia's Category: Racially motivated violence against African Americans. How can the oppressor be more offended than the OPPRESSED?
Amazing!!!!! Thank you!!!!!
Thats was good,there should have deen a video💯
Interesting take on art MR. Alfred Kazin
oouu😆This is top notch discussion !!!
I think i hear what Karin is saying, he’s saying : the white writer’s perception of a negro is true to the write readers no matter how faulty their reality is.
N i believe Hansberry is rebutting saying that : if it is indeed art then it should be in sync with the discovery of truth.
Blown away by Lorraine, "free smoke, free smoke aye"
Classic 😍🙏🏽💜
Langston’s Piece 32:07
@thepostarchive would you provide some source info for those who want to track this down and cite it? PEN America Arcgive maybe?
Why is the audio always cut off when James speaks in these videos?
I have noticed that with Hampton.
exceptional audio...one of the speakers sounds slightly like Herman Munster tho : )
Excellant❤️
I think it is interesting how much space the white man takes up in this conversation. I wonder where this conversation would have gone without him. And he seems especially decent compared to many white people, and yet... quite obtuse, and overly stuck on his points. In conversation with such amazing people, it would be great if he let his point fall to the side and let the conversation evolve to other places.
Disclaimer: I’m a white man
I am also taken back by how much he talks.
@@09AshleyMi I actually think his input was invaluable. He reflects very much the White male view albeit with a Jewish consciousness.
OAR Scholarship That is true but the purpose of the talk is to highlight the Negro American. It would be like if I went to a talk about China and a Russian dominated the conversation. If I wanted to hear the white perspective on the Negro in American culture, I would have listened to another video. More so, the desire to dominate the conversation is sadly a hallmark of our culture. This was a time for him listen more and talk less.
Rather than get caught up on how much of a conversation an individual is 'taking up'.. why not concentrate on what he's saying especially if that person is adding another dimension to the understanding of one group in relation to others. You say the 'white guy'' as in Western European style 'white' , but Alfred Kazin is Eastern European jewish, probably first generation American. It's a different spin on the ball. If you're talking about Emile Capouya, he is a heavy academic with a list of credits as long as both arms. Academics tend to talk a lot. They feel they have achieved the intellectual 'high ground' and thus are accustommed to lecturing others.
@@electrasong What’s implied is not only do they have nothing of direct importance to say but because they insist on talking instead of listening they hurt the conversation. I don’t care if Emile Capouya has 100 degrees. There are places in Black communities that he has never been, conversations that he will never hear and an experience that he will never understand. If he was going to be in the discussion he should have listened more and talked less. These are three of the greatest Black artists our country has ever produced and they are drowned out by someone who has no actual experience of the subject matter. That is a perfect metaphor for America. And as far as Alfred Kazin goes, the title is Negro in American Culture. How many Black dinner tables has Mr. Kazin been at? Personally, I’d have preferred them to not be part of the conversation at all. Because of their perspective - the perspective of the dominant society that inherently oppressed Black culture - affects the conversation. As someone who has to understand racism and how this society treats black people as a matter of survival, I can say that none of the two gentlemen you mentioned were enlightened enough about race to be part of the conversation. More so, their desire to talk so much as they did invokes images of a man trying to talk over his Wife after he asks her for her perspective/opinion.
My day will be interesting if this and Philemon are done by 730am? Peace Corps Morocco 2019
right on Ms. Hansberry! Guilt is at the root of our discontent and I mean white people. As a white person I feel it I see it
What is the name of the poem from Mr. Hughes?
A dream deferred
Doed anyone understand the speakers words about Faulkner at 1:06:54 to 1:07:00?
Yes
"'I am not trying to say that Mr. Faulkner has the last word on the Negros in America."
@@Arron413 what was said?
I posted it.@@buihemadu
"I am not trying to say that, Mr. Faulkner has the last word on the Negros in America."
2019!
there's something about the word revolution that scares some
we wear our person we are not characters
Sometimes Langston Hughes annoys my soul, but he sure could write. Lol 13:50 is one of those times he annoyed me. Glad Lorraine checked his absurd "good ol' boy" rhetoric.
I would say that William Faulkner presented a very true picture of Black characters....the way the Black American was seen by him and the way he was educated in his own household, though there may have been many holes and illusions....contorted versions. It let us, the opposite of White, see a glimpse into the minds of our Oppressors and let us know just how much work we had to do if we were going to find any hope of breaking the unbearable cycle....and chains!
Sounds like what’s happening to Palestinians right now!
We love to be mistreated, all we do is talk, rally, march or pray. We never unionize, centralize and or respect each other as American from African decent
There is a history of black leaders who stood for that being brutally murdered or jailed. What you say is what is needed and it needs thousands of leaders so the movements cant be decapitated.
and what have you done lately???
Katharine Larkin you have stated one of our greatest problem. Who will we as a people follow as a whole? We are divided spiritually, socially, and economically. For example The Civil Rights Aggression force our wealth out of our communities. Do this for me, examine what we lost vs what we gained from The Civil Rights Aggression?
WriteIsRight love the tag line, you must be a writer. One, my people hate to hear this but we must segregated ourselves financially, educationally, industrially. We are a people whom are always being exploited and our greatest mind are cherry picked from our communities and make other people wealthy, that’s insane. Basically I have through study found that African/ Black Nationalism has been an idea within our race for decades, the problem is we are afraid to believe in ourselves totally.
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