Movie Talk - The terrible CED Video disc
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ม.ค. 2023
- It's time to look at another old obsolete video format. The CED video disc, which was released in 1981.
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That CED thing looks tedious. 😯 Glad we had VHS and DVDs and eventually bluray. Love your videos. Very informative. 😃
CED is the one common video format I never owned. I bought a LaserDisc player specifically because there were some Olivia Newton-John titles available exclusively on MCA’s DiscoVision, including her 1978 TV special. That special was never released on any other format, so I went with LD as my "high-end" format. I’m very glad I did; a friend bought a CED player and the constant skipping/looping/static was just terrible. While I’ve replaced most of the 200+ titles I bought on LD with DVD and Blu-Ray, there are still a handful of LDs in my collection that have never turned up on any other format. As far as I know, the extended director’s cut of Peter Bogdanovich’s Texasville has never turned up again.
Anyway, I have a handful of CED discs that I bought for about $0.50 each just to have that format in my collection - I’ve tried to collect at least one example of every commercially available audio and video format ever made - but I’ve never been able to watch them. They’d probably be nearly unwatchable anyway. They just look cool!
This format was a dead end, consumers were right not to buy into the hype of it.
I agree buttt it’s an awesome collectible.
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I never owned a CED player, but there is a video that RCA produced showing how the disks were made. Instead of film, the source footage came from a reel to reel videotape. They would literally playback the tape reel transfer it to the vinyl record. Using a tape source might explain the static in the audio and video.
Also keep in mind, these were the days before movies were being "remastered". Since home video was relatively new, many studios would provide RCA with a "good" copy of the film for them to dub to videotape. So this means some films look better than others. My copy of "Shaft" is a glory to behold while my first pressing of "The French Connection" is practically unwatchable. Not because of static or skips, but the audio is muffled badly and the film is so dark, that nighttime scenes are just a black screen.
My RCA pressing of "Live and Let Die" is the most laughable. While most of the film is in good condition, about 3/4 of the way through on side 1, there was an obvious jam in the film, followed by a very poor splice. This was copied to the video tape and was copied to the video disk. It's hysterical that anything like that would be allowed today. But you have front-row seats to watching the film get fluttery, get dark where it burned when it jammed, followed by a nasty visible splice with a terrible audio THUMP accompanying it.
I like CED Videodiscs for what they are; a fascinating piece of history that had the potential to be more than it was.
Sometimes, it's even fun to watch movies on.
Oh yes the quality of the video was much better when the players and the disks were new. First experience of stereo movies at home when I was a kid too.
I wonder why CED ever tried. When VHS was already there.
It was supposed to come out much earlier than it did, in the 60s.
Well, we invested already 650 Million $, let's see if we can get some of it back from those poor consumers.
What makes CED more pathetic is when RCA went to Japan to show how far they got it, the Victor company of Japan got a similar video disc idea working earlier and better before CED was released and just to say this VHD is nicer and more impressive then CED the fact it has 1 hour of video on a smaller disc with only 2 frames per rotation and could las longer then a CED just showed talent for a budget video disc that’s worth more your money the the RCA one
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In Europe back in time I owned a LaserDisc player and I modified the Pioneer CLD-2950 to have an AC-3 RF output so I could connect the RF demodulator to plug into the DD 5.1 receiver.
I saw Matrix on LaserDisc in DD 5.1 before I had it on DVD.
As for stylus based video - JVC did the same approach as RCA CED - but without a guiding groove. The stylus was way larger - more girth - than in the grooves. A servo kept the capacitance electrical sensor always above a grove. But as the stylus was large - it did not wear out the disc - not much pressure per square inch. No skipping. Cheap pressed discs. It had success in Japan for 10 years! As a VHD disc from JVC was at 1/10th of the price of a LaserDisc.
I accidentally bought a CED disk thinking I was getting a Laserdisc on Ebay. When it arrived I was very confused and looked it up. What a strange format.
Fascinating! Thank you for sharing such a detailed video on this CED video format.
I've owned every home video format here, but have never seen a side by aside comparison of clips from each. Well done! Thanks so much for posting this.👍
Yes, I also have some VHS tapes at home
the CED wasnt actually read by the stylus, that was just used for tracking. the disc was read by a sensor attached to the stylus that could measure the distance from the disc by measuring the strength of the capacitor that it and the disc formed (hence the C in CED)
I can remember a friend of mine back when I was 12, invited me to her place to watch a movie. Her family had this weird player with what I thought were records that played movies. I had never seen something like it before nor ever again after but I explained it to many people who thought I was making it up or misremembering.
Thank you SO MUCH for clearing up what has always been a mystery for me. I KNEW I'd seen a video player that played what looked like records but they came in a hard case that got inserted into the player to release the disk. I knew it!!
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My uncle had one of these players in the 80’s. When a disc was new it looked better than vhs. However any dust that might make it into the case would have it malfunctioning by the third or fourth viewing.
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Thanks for making such an informative and well made video. I recently bought a CED at a convention and knew nothing about them. Not only was this video was very informative, it was presented well. Have a great day and I look forward to watching your other videos.
When in the military in Iceland in 1982, I had the very first RCA player. It used a synchronous motor to play the discs. The player and discs were NTSC and the motor was 60hz. I had erratic video playback on all the videos with the RCA player. I replaced the needle module and it was still erratic. I then thought the drive belt might be defective, so I searched high and low in Reykjavik with no luck finding a OEM belt. I ditched the player and bought another brand. The Hitachi model, like you have. It played perfectly. Further investigation discovered the Hitachi using a crystal oscillator to keep the dive motor in perfect sync. Further investigation discovered the military power plant was converting the Icelandic power from 240 v 50hz to 120v 60hz for US standards on the military premises. I figured the conversion was not very well regulated, and that’s why the RCA player glitched, being heavily dependent on a fairly stable 60hz. The player played perfect in the US before going to Iceland, and again played perfect when arriving back home, so it must have been the loose tolerances from the power spec conversion process.
Thanks for this video. I have had a Star Trek CED for years, thought it was just a laserDisc with a funky type of case. I recently got a Pioneer CLD S104 for $50 off Facebook and a bunch (62) laserDiscs, and it works great. It's pretty fun watching laserDisc, and I can finally watch the ones I got years ago at a consignment store (the first 2 Star Wars movies, and The King and I). In my laserDiscs, I got 24 box sets, some of which have a lot of cool extras, like the soundtrack on CD (most sealed), reprints of the script, pictures, etc. A few of the actual discs were still sealed (Breakfast at Tiffany's, but I watched that, and the Cinderella discs from the Japanese import version). I don't get the impression that CED has those kinds of extras and sets, but from this video, I am in no hurry to get involved with CED, as I'm starting to build my laserDisc collection.
A local used music store had boxes and boxes of laserdiscs and CED discs when I stopped by a couple days ago.
4:00 - That’s why the format is called Pan & Scan.
Laserdisk was the premium format through the 80s and 90s until dvd stabilized circa 99-2000. Ld prices were premium too.
I didn't get into ld until 93 or so with auto flipping pioneer players at best buy.
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Found about 35-40 of these at a flea market mall today. Thought it was movie posters on plastic at first. Then thought it was laserdisc. But anyways I got 3 of them for $7 lol. Fast times at ridgemont high, Mr mom and Mary poppins. Don’t have a player but still added something different to my collection. Awesome video
They look great on the wall side by side, use a old movie film edge to enhance the look.
@@flyrobin2544Agreed.
I have a 3x3 display of Ld, vinyl soundtracks and now Ced disc's in good condition.
I swap them out periodically. Beats movie posters.
The ceds are all in one row, while ld and lp are interchangeable, same size jackets
I just watch a tiktok with a guy owned a RCA CED system 😮 and I jumping to your video. It's so hilarious that this kind of disc exists. I almost forty😅 never heard about it .
One thing about laserdisc, when it came out in the late 70s, it was actually much cheaper than a VCR. Many VCRs were pushing $1200 or more while laserdisc players ranged from $600-$900. Also laserdiscs were way cheaper than tapes in the early years of VCR. A pre recorded movie on VHS or Beta was nearly $100 while laserdiscs were $20-$30. It wasn’t until the late 1980s when home video prices came down for VHS. More people bought VCRs because recording was their primary use when they came out. Plus laserdisc and CED under estimated the rental market. Yes tapes were more money but people had no issue paying $2-$5 to rent a movie.
Laserdisc was overall not popular with most people anyways and were shortlived
@@JayPatrolit certainly didn’t reach mass adoption but the format continued until about 2000. Definitely not short lived by any stretch.
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I remember renting one of these players and movies a couple of times when i was a kid. I tried to watch a segment of HeMan over and over, but after about the 3rd pass that part became unplayable. I complained enough after that we only rented VHS players.😂
I really need a laserdisc player. Great video by the way, tack!
Hey, great video brother! I saw the CED on another channel so I searched it and your video answered everything I was curious about. Subscribed
Great to see newish videos again. CED's failure was because it came to the market too late, it was developed as far back as the 60s but it had many technical hurdles to overcome, it was posed to be a cheap way to get movies at home as pre VHS and Betamax video recorders and tapes were prohibitively expensive (the Home Video market didn't exist back then, unless you count the Avco Cartrivision format). However it came to the market too little too late as video recorders for both VHS and Beta seemed like the better options because of time shifting (and video rental) and Laserdisc was already out and was really only popular with collectors (CEDs were cheaper though). In America players were made between 1981 and 1984 and new titles came out on it till 1986 where as in the UK (which is where your discs are from due to the BBFC ratings on the back, even though they were pre-certs) were only sold in a 6 month window in 1983. If it hit the market by say the mid 70s we would be hearing a different story.
A friend of mine just mentioned he has a CED disc and I had never even heard about them! Your vid cleared that up nicely. I subscribed so I hope to see more vids soon!
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Living life dangerously. Not putting that player on the bottom shelf.
The CED format might have been successful if it had been released in 1970 or so and been the *first* home video format. But it got stuck in development hell until 1981, by which point it had to compete with both LaserDisc and VCRs.
CED was very short lived.
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I remember the RCA videodiscs when they were still popular. Now just as old school as 8 tracks.
I love the obselete video formats series. Keep up the work
The best part is the case. you dont ever have to touch the disc. for LP this would have been good. I think the technology used for this was used for laser etching vinyl records.
_"The best part is the case. you dont ever have to touch the disc."_
And RCA did that as a matter of necessity.
Originally, the disc was meant to be handled by hand.
But despite efforts RCA made to make the disc easy to handle without touching the signal surface, people managed to touch those areas of prototype discs anyway, and the fingerprint left behind would degrade the signal at that point. And you couldn't really clean it off without also risking stripping away the silicone layer on the surface, which was meant to help prolong disc life by reducing friction with the stylus.
So, RCA devised an autoloading system, to eliminate the risk of fingerprints on the disc altogether.
Of course, LaserDisc didn't have that kind of a problem. Touch the signal surface of a LaserDisc, and usually the player can just play through it with no problem. Or, if there was a problem, it could simply be cleaned off.
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_"I think the technology used for this was used for laser etching vinyl records."_
CED copper master discs were cut using a special lathe machine that didn't use lasers at all.
Lasers were used to check the quality of blank copper master discs as well as to check the integrity of the recording of cut copper master discs, but that's about it when it comes to lasers used to make discs ... unless we also count barcode scanners used in production.
@@Watcher3223 cool, cheers for the info :) Unlike LD CED never came to Australia i think and its a shame because the concept would have been good if they pulled off the player in time. LD's cost around $50-$90 AUD ea at the time.
@@jamesburke2759 Speaking from experience, CED actually wasn't a very good format. Australia really didn't miss much in this case.
CED's picture quality is roughly on par with VHS, with a slight edge in favor of VHS overall, IMO. Despite some online sources claiming that CED had an edge in video quality compared to VHS, CED video doesn't seem to be quite as stable on average, at least to me.
Sound quality was better on CED compared to video cassette ... up until VCRs with AFM Hi-Fi debuted. VHS Hi-Fi and Beta hi-fi, with their wider frequency response and higher dynamic range, blew CED stereo sound with CX noise reduction out of the water.
This is super interesting, I'm glad we have our 4K UHD discs now lol
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Format looks like 1:1... so it can fit into the cartridge 😄
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I have both a CED Videodisc player and a Laser Disc player, with a good collection of movies for both formats, and i can tell you first hand. Laserdisc looks HD compared to Videodisc especially late 90s laserdiscs. Plus a lot of LaserDiscs are in widescreen. In every way Laserdisc is better, even in sound.
Also I remember tales of people renting family films, but the previous renter would put a porno disc in the cartridge. Surprise!
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3:48 Thats how it worked we had 20" TV's in 4:3 16:9 would have been tiny with giant black bars.
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Yes, ced was ridiculously bad. Don't recall if there was a cost advantage of ced over vhs in 82-83.
Of course at the end >84, ced closeouts had some bargain hunters snapping them up.
To this day, I have ptsd, suffering through a showing of Raiders of the Lost Ark on ced circa 1985. Terrble glitches, skipping, etc.
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CED...what a bad format that was! Watched Tom & Jerry on it as a kid and it just stuttered and jumped around.
Can you make a video on D-VHS and D-Theater?
there are more than a few ways to deal with static on vinyl recordings.
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What if you play the disc on a record player?
My dad repairs the players. He has a ton of them
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Could the CED glitching be the player? I have a few beta players and a couple LaserDisc players and I noticed no 2 play exactly alike.
Not to mention that the format's commercial failure even tanked the company itself and put it out of business!
So there are a couple of points that you’re missing and they mainly deal with cost. Laserdisc players were quite expensive, as was the media. VCRs were also very expensive because they required lots of precise moving parts. VHS/Beta pre-recorded tapes were VERY expensive because they had to be dubbed in factories and could not be high-speed dubbed like audio cassette due to the nature of helical scan used on VHS/Beta.
CED on the other hand was cheap to manufacture for both the player and the media. They really are quite close to record players. The discs themselves are vinyl and could be pressed in a manner similar to an audio record.
As for your bad picture/static audio you very likely need to change the cartridge on your CED machine. It is a wear part, just like the stylus on a turntable.
Hope this helps.
_"VHS/Beta pre-recorded tapes were VERY expensive because they had to be dubbed in factories and could not be high-speed dubbed like audio cassette due to the nature of helical scan used on VHS/Beta."_
Well, yes and no.
Initially, duplication of video cassettes were done using large banks of recorders.
Sony would develop high speed video tape sprinter machines, which could duplicate a two hour movie recorded in the SP speed on VHS in one minute.
And another reason why prerecorded video cassettes were more expensive than video discs was also because movies on cassettes were sold through a tier whereas movies on discs were direct sale.
For video tape, you first sold to the rental market, which had the highest prices. Then when that market was satisfied, you sold to the collector market at lower prices, but still expensive. Then when that market was satisfied, you sold to the masses at the lowest price.
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_"As for your bad picture/static audio you very likely need to change the cartridge on your CED machine."_
Yes and no.
The stylus cartridge is a wear item, but the problems we see here can still be due to the disc. The CED format was a bit finicky even at its best. Sometimes, you can have a disc with skips merely because you hadn't played it for a long time.
The static can also come from a poor connection on the RCA jack.
No, the best helping thing is that you stop defending this crap scam format
No, the best helping thing is that you stop defending this crap scam format
Looks like your old stylus is the actual problem.
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A lot of the issue may be your stylus. It can get a lot of dust on it too. If you clean it, it may help the skipping and noise.
These videos are underrated! Real masterpieces! Loving it!! Maybe use gloves to handle the discs tho, would help with my ocd 🤣 jk.. Awesome content! Keep it up!!
Love theese types of videos! You should do a video about the DVSH format :)
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More likely it is your stylus that has worn out, perhaps your player itself is worn rather than the disks.
Hej Niki, jeg ved ikke lige hvordan jeg skal formulere det på engelsk, så jeg gør det bare på dansk.
Satte pap ituiet som disken var i sig nogle gange fast i maskinen så man ikke kunne få den ud? Man kunne jo godt risikere det skete med et VHS bånd i ny og næ, så min tanke var, at det også kunne ske med CED-disks :D
Og det var Danmark 😀 I also gave in to the CED format. Well for a little while that is. I managed to buy the 2001 CED Most like from the same batch, since it's also wrapped up with the same sticker and one containing The Deep with Nock Nolte
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Surprised they bothered making this format
It was in development for 17 years. RCA aimed to make a sequel to colour television starting in 1964. It was a great idea, but RCA experiencing shifting priorities for the worse led to it being delayed so hard that it came out too late. Over $600 million was spent on the project.
What is your relationship with the Speed VHS since you still have it?
Tell me something he doesn't have
I have a load of ced videodiscs in my loft 😂
my uncle has 1 still works loads of videos big old heavy machine
la aguja de tu videodisc player esta ya gastada amigo! yo tengo uno rca y tuve que comprar una aguja nueva para mi reproductor selectavision y asi se soluciono todos los problemas de saltos e interferencias visuales en las peliculas ,claro esta que si el disco esta ya dañado no se puede solucionar nada!, saludos desde chile
Can you make video where you show us all of your blu ray content?
I'm sure you must have used a new stylus before trying out that mint copy of 2001.
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I can't believe I'm actually going to defend CED here, but I think the comparison with VHS in this video isn't entirely fair. The Rocky and Goldfinger tapes look to be much newer, I'm guessing a 90s releases, by which time they'd probably digitally remastered the films, so they're struck from completely different masters which would account for the colours and possibly the picture as well.
In reality I think CED is pretty much on par with VHS - except it's still worse because you not only don't get any of the benefits of laserdisc (better sound and picture), but you don't get any of the benefits of VHS either (recording) - plus any issues with the pressings (or just the age) result in skipping, whereas the other two just give you dropouts!
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More like a vinyl records but for video…