No offense this guy is talking stuff I knew in the 60s it’s like these millennials think they actually discovered something no one would know. But I can’t tell him to go to his mothers basement because he looks like he is already there
Hey, although this may be information that's already out there, newcomers and beginners to tennis will find this information valuable and appreciate it. It might be one of the first videos they stumble across. It might be helpful to them and not you! No need to degrade someone's hard work in producing a video that is trying to help others!
Think I needed to hear this. I've been falling for these spin gimmicks thinking it will amplify my spin game style. Lots of my partners say I hit more spin with the blade then some spin focus rackets and I think your point of fear of losing control was my issue.
I'm a long time user and owner of the Wilson Steam 105s (and 99s), and have been trying to find a currently produced racquet that offers similar spin but nothing else comes close, including all the (also discontinued) Wilson spin-effect models of Blades and Pro Staffs. I'm totally addicted to the Steam 105s as there's nothing in tennis that brings me more joy than watching my opponent's head drop when he intentionally fails to play a baseline ball that he thinks is long, only to see it hit the line 😂 I found your comment about the swing weight to be very interesting in that I was unaware that spin-effect Steams had such a high swing weight. Blades and Pro Staffs feel much less maneuverable/head-heavy to me even though they have comparable or even lower swing weights. Steam 105s is spec'd at 6 pts HL, and I perceive them to be head light when hitting, but both of these observations seem to belie the 330+ swing weight. Even the Steam 99s imparts noticeably less top spin than the 105s, though I would say it's the closest of all the racquets I've tested. I've always assumed that the very open 16x15 string pattern is a huge part of their spin magic, though I've unsuccessfully tested other 16x15 racquets, so that's clearly not the whole story of what's going on with the Steam 105s massive spin potential. This result also leads me to believe that larger head size correlates to more spin potential (which seems intuitive since there is more opportunity for greater string movement). My tests of Blades and Pro Staffs also tends to support this hypothesis since those "players" racquets ranged from 97 to 100 sq-in. Here's one other objective data point to add to your cogitations on this topic that casual testers of the Steam 105s won't know, but owners (and perhaps professional stringers) do know: Steam 105s racquets break strings like crazy. When I switched to this racquet, I started breaking strings every week which was about 10x more frequent than before this racquet (I assume because the strings must move a lot more than with my previous racquet**). I had to go through a year long string search to find a more durable string so I didn't feel like it was costing me $5 in stringing every time I played. Thanks for the interesting video. **Ironically, my previous racquet was a Wilson Steam 96. It shares its name and paint job with the 105s, but you'd be hard pressed to find another model name progression where the racquets are so dissimilar.
Thanks for you awesome comment! Not many Steam users still left! Open patterns will always be tougher on strings because there's more movement, like you said, but also, there are fewer strings in contact with the ball, so the force of the ball is more concentrated. Its like punching vs slapping, the small contact point of the punch makes it hurt more. You are also totally correct with the headsize thing. Tennis Warehouse has some info on spin-window which you might find interesting. They also have a racquet finder tool which might help you find a replacement, should that day ever some.
Thanks for putting the "spin myths" to rest. My nephew could hit massive topspin with a Wilson Six One 95 18x20 string pattern with multi filament strings. So I conclude that technique is the most important factor in generating topspin. When I played with my nephew I was constantly hitting balls above my shoulder because of his massive topspin.
Recreational players with not enough consistency on their strokes tend to subconsciously hit more flatter with high twist weight racquets. This could be due to lack of sufficient muscle memory of arm motion for topspin and inadequate upper body strength. IMO folks need to be wary about often neglected specs such as twist weight and factor in that added resistance to swing when practising so as to make the necessary adjustments.
As someone that shaves their head as well, I can tell you the shampoo jokes are old and tired. It's the equivalent to basketball players getting the stupid "How's the weather up there?" joke from idiots thinking they're being original, or worse, funny.
@@JW-bw8nj As someone that actually plays basketball, I can tell you I don't give a shit abou those jokes, man. For real don't be a puss1, must be from crystal generation 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
@@TennCom it was a demo when I hit with it. Unfortunately, I had bought three other custom made racquets at the same time so I didn’t want to make a switch again.
@@TennCom It was actually the 2015 Dunlop Biomimetic F3.0 Tour. It is a 98sq in 18x20 custom by TW. I ordered three of them all specd 350 grams strung, 9HL, 330SW with leather grip. I loved it but it’s gotten time to move to lighter more open pattern stick. Hence, that’s why I’m looking again.
let me first thank you again for very clear explanation and very smooth wording.Since you look very logical and probably coming from engineering background i think i might be able to debate or put a point or question to think about on an issue you mentioned. You said the down side of added weight on 12 oclock would be lower swing speed. I WOULD LIKE YOU TO SEE WHAT I SAY MAKES SENCE TO YOU OR NOT AND WOULD LIKE TO HEAR YOUR THOUGHTS ON IT. if your swing weight is higher , i think the launching racket speed slows down but if you look at one full swing , it will in fact increase the swing speed because of impact of momentum that extra weight will produce. to fully simplify the matter , let me very exaggerate with an example of a hammer, if you swing lets say 1 kg hammer, first it takes some energy from you to move it but as soon as you moved it lets say in the swing, its okay, now lets change it to 3 kg hammer, it will take more energy to move it at beginning but as soon as you get that heavier weight to move, then you will have definitely more momentum resulting faster swing. AM I WRONG?
Depends on the length of the swing. If we are talking about the modern ATP style forehand, the swing is quite short so it would take a lot of strength to begin the swing. For your theory to be true, I think we also have to assume the player's swing starts pretty high up and uses gravity to begin the swing, which is not true for players with modern technique. Yes, lots of players take the racquet back in an elevated position, but to whip the racquet all the way around take a lot more than just gravity to accomplish. If you are really interset in the effect of the racque ton the swing, I recommend you look into a concept called MGr/i, which optimizes the racquet's inertia according to the player's swing path.
Hey, answer me this please: which has more spin...2022 Yonex EZone 100 or 2020 Babolat Pure Aero VS? More power? More control? More maneuverability? THANKS!
Idk if you hold all things equal except length if it would or not, but if the swingweight is higher the spin potential will always be higher. Of course the user must maintain a sufficiently high swing speed to access that potential.
Several of my friends have said that I get more spin from my VCORE 95 than a similarly weighted up Pure Aero VS with both swingweights in the high 320s. I was surprised to hear that because the VC95s string pattern is tighter and from my view while hitting the ball the launch angle is lower and the trajectory looks more linear. Do you think the twist weight is the reason behind that? Or maybe because I have to put more oomph in the ball with the 95?
The twistweight on the VC95 is pretty low. I used the SV and 2018 versions of that racquet primarily for that reason. Despite that, its very stable so it holds up well against big hitters, but very maneuverable so it is easy to swing fast. Plus, the lower power compared the the PA VS probably makes you swing a little faster as well. Imo the VC95 is one of the best racquets for hitting aggressive, but spin heavy balls
I tried nearly every racket there is, and I have to say the Babolat pure aero gives the most spin. Some rackets like head gravity, or Yonex ezone just have a flat launch angle. The pure aero vs is the best racket I have ever played.
I'm demoing the vcore 98 and the Pure aero right now. I love the power from the PA for groundstrokes, but it's so much easier for me to hit serves with the vcore and I'm not sure why. Could it be the swingweight and me not getting enough racket head speed? I've always thought I had a decent swing since i've been playing with a control racket for all my time playing tennis. I'm used to generating my own power for my shots. But man was I wrong the PA was difficult to swing.
The Pure Aero actually has a really high twistweight which makes it surprisingly hard to maneuver for a 300g racquet. Definitely could be the higher swingweight as well, especially if it's higher than what you were using before. If you have good technique, you will probably get used to the racquet and get a bit stronger which shouldn't make it a huge issue. That said, if you are playing a lot of sets and your serve is really important for you game, picking a racquet that gives you immediate confidence on your most important shot is going to be crucial for you game.
Causality Causality is influence by which one event, process, state, or object contributes to the production of another event, process, state, or object where the cause is partly responsible for the effect, and the effect is partly dependent on the cause.
No offense this guy is talking stuff I knew in the 60s it’s like these millennials think they actually discovered something no one would know. But I can’t tell him to go to his mothers basement because he looks like he is already there
Okay grandpa let's put you to bed 🛌 😴
Haha 🤣 so salty 🧂 booomerr
What is the point of this comment? If you already know everything, why did you click on this video?
Hey, although this may be information that's already out there, newcomers and beginners to tennis will find this information valuable and appreciate it. It might be one of the first videos they stumble across. It might be helpful to them and not you! No need to degrade someone's hard work in producing a video that is trying to help others!
good for you grampa
Ugh I know like 50 people that need to see this! Great content, emphasizing focusing on the player instead of the tools!
100% we all have different needs
Think I needed to hear this. I've been falling for these spin gimmicks thinking it will amplify my spin game style. Lots of my partners say I hit more spin with the blade then some spin focus rackets and I think your point of fear of losing control was my issue.
at least you dont fall for endorsement gimmicks like i do
I'm a long time user and owner of the Wilson Steam 105s (and 99s), and have been trying to find a currently produced racquet that offers similar spin but nothing else comes close, including all the (also discontinued) Wilson spin-effect models of Blades and Pro Staffs. I'm totally addicted to the Steam 105s as there's nothing in tennis that brings me more joy than watching my opponent's head drop when he intentionally fails to play a baseline ball that he thinks is long, only to see it hit the line 😂
I found your comment about the swing weight to be very interesting in that I was unaware that spin-effect Steams had such a high swing weight. Blades and Pro Staffs feel much less maneuverable/head-heavy to me even though they have comparable or even lower swing weights. Steam 105s is spec'd at 6 pts HL, and I perceive them to be head light when hitting, but both of these observations seem to belie the 330+ swing weight.
Even the Steam 99s imparts noticeably less top spin than the 105s, though I would say it's the closest of all the racquets I've tested. I've always assumed that the very open 16x15 string pattern is a huge part of their spin magic, though I've unsuccessfully tested other 16x15 racquets, so that's clearly not the whole story of what's going on with the Steam 105s massive spin potential. This result also leads me to believe that larger head size correlates to more spin potential (which seems intuitive since there is more opportunity for greater string movement). My tests of Blades and Pro Staffs also tends to support this hypothesis since those "players" racquets ranged from 97 to 100 sq-in.
Here's one other objective data point to add to your cogitations on this topic that casual testers of the Steam 105s won't know, but owners (and perhaps professional stringers) do know: Steam 105s racquets break strings like crazy. When I switched to this racquet, I started breaking strings every week which was about 10x more frequent than before this racquet (I assume because the strings must move a lot more than with my previous racquet**). I had to go through a year long string search to find a more durable string so I didn't feel like it was costing me $5 in stringing every time I played.
Thanks for the interesting video.
**Ironically, my previous racquet was a Wilson Steam 96. It shares its name and paint job with the 105s, but you'd be hard pressed to find another model name progression where the racquets are so dissimilar.
Thanks for you awesome comment! Not many Steam users still left! Open patterns will always be tougher on strings because there's more movement, like you said, but also, there are fewer strings in contact with the ball, so the force of the ball is more concentrated. Its like punching vs slapping, the small contact point of the punch makes it hurt more.
You are also totally correct with the headsize thing. Tennis Warehouse has some info on spin-window which you might find interesting. They also have a racquet finder tool which might help you find a replacement, should that day ever some.
I have a used Wilson 95S that you must buy! Also congratulations on using the term cogitations successfully in a sentence!!
Thanks for putting the "spin myths" to rest. My nephew could hit massive topspin with a Wilson Six One 95 18x20 string pattern with multi filament strings. So I conclude that technique is the most important factor in generating topspin. When I played with my nephew I was constantly hitting balls above my shoulder because of his massive topspin.
Whenever I see someone with a 6.1 95 I assume they are about to kick my ass hahaha
I’d say a racquet that does not limit your movement is essential
Recreational players with not enough consistency on their strokes tend to subconsciously hit more flatter with high twist weight racquets. This could be due to lack of sufficient muscle memory of arm motion for topspin and inadequate upper body strength.
IMO folks need to be wary about often neglected specs such as twist weight and factor in that added resistance to swing when practising so as to make the necessary adjustments.
Thank you...interesting subject! 👍👏
What shampoo do you use? btw good video
which ever one your mom leaves in her shower
As someone that shaves their head as well, I can tell you the shampoo jokes are old and tired. It's the equivalent to basketball players getting the stupid "How's the weather up there?" joke from idiots thinking they're being original, or worse, funny.
@@TennCom That took you a day to respond? lol
At least my mommy still says my hair looks pretty good 🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺
@@JW-bw8nj As someone that actually plays basketball, I can tell you I don't give a shit abou those jokes, man. For real don't be a puss1, must be from crystal generation 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
Keep it up!
FWIW the most spin I generated was with the Pure Strike 16x19 Project One 7.
how come you arent using it now?
I loved that racquet because I could flat shot like a mofo with that one. I miss it
@@TennCom it was a demo when I hit with it. Unfortunately, I had bought three other custom made racquets at the same time so I didn’t want to make a switch again.
@@Nahhmah angell?
@@TennCom It was actually the 2015 Dunlop Biomimetic F3.0 Tour. It is a 98sq in 18x20 custom by TW. I ordered three of them all specd 350 grams strung, 9HL, 330SW with leather grip. I loved it but it’s gotten time to move to lighter more open pattern stick. Hence, that’s why I’m looking again.
let me first thank you again for very clear explanation and very smooth wording.Since you look very logical and probably coming from engineering background i think i might be able to debate or put a point or question to think about on an issue you mentioned. You said the down side of added weight on 12 oclock would be lower swing speed. I WOULD LIKE YOU TO SEE WHAT I SAY MAKES SENCE TO YOU OR NOT AND WOULD LIKE TO HEAR YOUR THOUGHTS ON IT. if your swing weight is higher , i think the launching racket speed slows down but if you look at one full swing , it will in fact increase the swing speed because of impact of momentum that extra weight will produce. to fully simplify the matter , let me very exaggerate with an example of a hammer, if you swing lets say 1 kg hammer, first it takes some energy from you to move it but as soon as you moved it lets say in the swing, its okay, now lets change it to 3 kg hammer, it will take more energy to move it at beginning but as soon as you get that heavier weight to move, then you will have definitely more momentum resulting faster swing. AM I WRONG?
Depends on the length of the swing. If we are talking about the modern ATP style forehand, the swing is quite short so it would take a lot of strength to begin the swing. For your theory to be true, I think we also have to assume the player's swing starts pretty high up and uses gravity to begin the swing, which is not true for players with modern technique. Yes, lots of players take the racquet back in an elevated position, but to whip the racquet all the way around take a lot more than just gravity to accomplish. If you are really interset in the effect of the racque ton the swing, I recommend you look into a concept called MGr/i, which optimizes the racquet's inertia according to the player's swing path.
Hey, answer me this please: which has more spin...2022 Yonex EZone 100 or 2020 Babolat Pure Aero VS? More power? More control? More maneuverability? THANKS!
I haveen't tried the newest EZONEE 100, but I'm gonna try to pick one up soon
Would you say extended frames have more spin potential due to the higher swingweight ?
Idk if you hold all things equal except length if it would or not, but if the swingweight is higher the spin potential will always be higher. Of course the user must maintain a sufficiently high swing speed to access that potential.
Several of my friends have said that I get more spin from my VCORE 95 than a similarly weighted up Pure Aero VS with both swingweights in the high 320s. I was surprised to hear that because the VC95s string pattern is tighter and from my view while hitting the ball the launch angle is lower and the trajectory looks more linear. Do you think the twist weight is the reason behind that? Or maybe because I have to put more oomph in the ball with the 95?
The twistweight on the VC95 is pretty low. I used the SV and 2018 versions of that racquet primarily for that reason. Despite that, its very stable so it holds up well against big hitters, but very maneuverable so it is easy to swing fast. Plus, the lower power compared the the PA VS probably makes you swing a little faster as well. Imo the VC95 is one of the best racquets for hitting aggressive, but spin heavy balls
I struggle with the low SW on my vc95. I find it unstable. Much more comfortable and reliable hitting with my Speed Pro
@@K4R3N totally agree i needed to lead mine up white a bit
I tried nearly every racket there is, and I have to say the Babolat pure aero gives the most spin. Some rackets like head gravity, or Yonex ezone just have a flat launch angle. The pure aero vs is the best racket I have ever played.
I have Ezone 100 and the Pure aero VS coming as demo. What other differences did you notice between the two?
can ezone 98L using for spin?
You can hit spin with any racquet
I'm demoing the vcore 98 and the Pure aero right now. I love the power from the PA for groundstrokes, but it's so much easier for me to hit serves with the vcore and I'm not sure why. Could it be the swingweight and me not getting enough racket head speed? I've always thought I had a decent swing since i've been playing with a control racket for all my time playing tennis. I'm used to generating my own power for my shots. But man was I wrong the PA was difficult to swing.
The Pure Aero actually has a really high twistweight which makes it surprisingly hard to maneuver for a 300g racquet. Definitely could be the higher swingweight as well, especially if it's higher than what you were using before. If you have good technique, you will probably get used to the racquet and get a bit stronger which shouldn't make it a huge issue. That said, if you are playing a lot of sets and your serve is really important for you game, picking a racquet that gives you immediate confidence on your most important shot is going to be crucial for you game.
Vamos
Djokovic, Zverev and many others are using 18x20 pattern and can actually play with Spin ;-)
djoko 18x19
Because when it comes down to it it's not the arrow it's the Indian
"Adding weight to the 3 and 9 oclock positions will add more spin... but it will also decrease spin"
Racquets don’t make the player does by how he attacks ball
Sense don't make viewer does by how he attack Tenncom
@@TennCom 🤣
gyro gyro zeppili
Man, I find it jarring how your videos like just begin immediately. Maybe a little more fade in? 2-3 seconds? Low music, audio fade In also.
Thanks for the advice. I’ll try it on the next one and let me know how it goes
But your content is 🔥 excellent research, data and analysis
You humble me, Karen. Thanks a lot
@@TennCom sharing widely, keep up the good work!
@@TennCom I for one like how your videos just start right away and don't waste any time, just sayin
Causation not Causality the latter is not a proper word in the English language.
Are you sure?
Causality
Causality is influence by which one event, process, state, or object contributes to the production of another event, process, state, or object where the cause is partly responsible for the effect, and the effect is partly dependent on the cause.
Hey, C H....you might want to double check your facts the next time so you don't look like a total fool again 😂🤣