the saddest part of omori is that regardless of the ending you got, even on the best ending, altough the outcome is far better, Sunny still leaves them, a repaired friendship that wont be really enjoyed, Hero is issues' still unsolved, Aubrey still has her mother issues, Sunny is father still absent, there is a lot that still needs to be unpacked, perharps this means a continuation, but to keep the horror, that means something *bad* will happen again afterall, this is weird, i never tought i wouldnt want a continuation of a good game simply because of the possible pain it would cause the fictional characters!
I don't think there would be a continuation just because of how many ifs ands and buts there would be. Perhaps the creator wanted it to continue it after the ending of the game, but saw how difficult it would be to leave a tasteful feeling in the player's minds(Mostly for the true ending.). Maybe Sunny's friends end up hating him in the end, or maybe they forgive him in some way, I understand that would be a hard pill to swallow. In the end, I believe the best way to end the game was up to the player's speculation, leaving them to either end it in another tragedy, or for the friends to stick together till the end. But nothing will ever be the truth, unless the creators come out with some kind of after thought or truth.
It's all up for interpretation! No one will truly know what happens to the characters after the good ending, hell, we don't even know whether Sunny's friends ended up forgiving him or not. But I kinda like that. It adds to the fact that Sunny's journey was never about finding forgiveness from others, but from himself. I honestly wouldn't want a sequel, as much as I loved this game.
I think the reaction Sunny's friends have is meant to be ambiguous, and left up to how the player interprets their relationships with one another. I think they would all forgive him and Basil, even if it was hard and even if it took some time. Hero says that last time they all left each other when Mari died, but that this time they would stay together. I like to think that stays true in the face of any difficult revelations that may come forward. There would be anger, outrage, and sadness, but ultimately the appreciation for Mari and their memories of their childhood would keep them together.
Life is like that, no one is going to have all the answers, Neither the characters in omori will, they will develop them with time. For that reason is why they're such good characters, they feel realistic
I really like Basil's character. Even when they played hide and seek and he got grabbed by boss, he still treated boss very kindly. I hated having to see him really upset when he had found out that sunny was moving in the real world. He's a great character in both the real world and headspace. He seems like someone I would enjoy being around.
Honestly basil seems like the person I'd want to be a friend with most of all. Maybe it's because of my protective nature but I feel like people like him need a friend to be their pillar of support. Those who are weak need someone strong to help pick them up when they fall and provide comfort when they feel alone.
I feel like he's pretty damn strong tho, carrying his and sunny's burden, getting bullied and taking care of his sick grandma while trying to maintain a functional life and all, he may be emotionally the strongest of the group after Kel, he just went through A LOT still want to protecc tho
@@muri7360 yeah but he needs someone. just like the sunflower, he needs sun(ny) he was shocked when sunny was leaving and felt alone when he stopped talking to him, and without him he was literally gonna die himself. he's not weak, but he naturally takes the supporting role and likes to be the friend that provides support and you can rely on (also for carrying bodies)
Facts: Everyone needed a friendgroup like this is their childhoods. Everyone needed a Kel, who's energetic and annoying. Everyone needed an Aubrey, who's sweet and passionate. Everyone needed an Omori, who's quiet but a great listener. Everyone needed a Basil, who's sensitive and cute. Everyone needed a Mari, who protects and cares for you. And everyone needed a Hero, who's just a very chill person
@@IF_Y0UR3_BLE3D1NG_UND0 this one just made me sadder cause it made me realise i dont have any, and really made me want some lmao, good game anyways tho.
Such an amazing game, might be the best game Ive ever played im so glad I experienced it before it goes big. I cant stop thinking about it every little bit of it was perfect
People think I’m just being edgy whenever I say that I hate school, but I’m literally not learning almost anything, sometimes I stay up till like 4 am just so that I can have free time, because I spend the whole day doing homework sometimes
Not me drawing peacefully with this background music and literally SHITTING my pants at the ending you did... (I love this song, thanks for making an extended version!
I like nostalgia and omori no matter if its has been a day, a month or almost a year since you first played it is really nostalgic. The areas , the colors , the characters, the theme, the story and a lot more. Everything just makes it like a bittersweet moment that hurts but is still like a happy dream. I got this game back in April it kind of reminded me of undertale so I said why not even though I thought I would still like undertale more but I was dead wrong. This game is a masterpiece of its own its so good that its almost scary it gives me the feeling of trying to recall memories I lost in the past even if they are bad. It might just be me who feels this way but it doesn’t matter after all everyone gets a different message in everything it would lose its meaning if all people felt the same. This game has taught me that I have to accept things and still push forward even if I’m late doesn’t matter how long it takes its still as big as a step even if you take it late. Thank you omori.
This gives me that feeling of “coming back home from a big birthday party”, you come back from the funnest day of your life, and then you lay down back in bed, you realize this’ll be the first and last time you’d expirience this, no matter if your next birthday is the same thing, its not going to be the same as this As you stare at the ceiling, you wish you could feel that sense of happiness again, it felt like you just became a kid again. Or maybe its just me?
Basil is such a sweet character 😍 I'm planning to name my future potted plant after him, because unfortunately "Asriel" is already reserved for my future Axolotl
This melody really makes me want to cry. I guess it reminds me of the shit I've done to my mother, the sweetest person on earth, ah, gee. It's like how I feel when I hug her. [ SPOILERS ALERT FOR OMORI. Would you like to continue? ] Basil is the best character, and nothing will convince me otherwise. He went through a lot, and when I say that, I mean it. Knowing that he knew how to make a su1c1dal knot, at the age of twelve, it's given the deduction that he searched it up times before.
How did I not realize, throughout the ENTIRE DAMN GAME, that Basil's chat sprite is a different color than his player sprite?? Why am realizing this now?? :v
It's different. In "Home," you could see a cozy house filled with the lingering scent of freshly baked butterscotch pie. Just by the fireplace is your mom, who is busy reading a book (maybe about snails?), along with the crisp sounds of scorching firewood. It feels just like home, as one would have imagined by looking at the name. ... "A Home For Flowers" leaves a rather bittersweet feeling, with the intensity depending on which variation, how far you are into the game, and the reasoning behind it all. Maybe it was once a happy melody filled with lots of happy memories but not anymore, at least not now. It's reminiscent to "Isabella's Lullaby" from The Promised Neverland and/or "Everywhere At The End Of Time" by The Caretaker. ... Perhaps you meant "Empty House?" Because then, it would make much more sense.
Esta canción me deja con una nostalgia tremenda, cuando jugué Omori me sentí como Basil, después de entregarlo todo y tenerlo todo, de un momento a otro no tienes nada, solo una angustia que no me deja salir de mi habitación, no querer levantarme y ser como un mueble más en casa....
I might do it, just take into account I apparently have a queue... Maybe I shouldn't accept every request... ... Ok I'll do it, but it'll take a while :)
just my thoughts. don’t mind me. sometimes i want to run away but everyone else will disapprove sometimes i want to be left alone but nobody will shut up they can’t help me i don’t need it and they only make things worse. why can’t i be good enough everyone else stoops so low just to meet my stupid needs they think i can’t go on but i try they’re mad at me i just know they are why can’t i do anything right
my uncle who i havent seen for 8 years is in a hospice dying with cancer in his brain,lungs,liver and stomach and i cant even speak on the phone because his condition and i cant go to the hospice because restrictions
I don't like that much the others A Home For Flowers, but I might do Dear Little Brother. If I remember correctly, I was planning on doing that one before... Just give me some time.
esta es una desventura de un amigo con respecto a esta canción, se trata del típico joven que conoce al amor de su vida en su trabajo, tal como dice esta canción (su vida era vacía) sin flores, ni sueños, solo vivir el día a día, hasta que conoce a una chica de pelo morado con muchos tatuajes que compartían profesión hasta la misma fecha de cumpleaños, ella era todo lo contrario a él, feliz, alegre, inteligente, hasta que un día floreció el amor, ella era detallista y dio lo mejor de si, desde el minuto 1 al contrario él nunca abrió su corazón del todo, y la relación termino fracturándose, cuando él decidió abrir su corazón y decirle lo que sentía, ya era tarde, ella un día le dijo esto se acabo, a la fecha no sabemos que fue de ella, lo que si esta claro es que él llega todas las noches a esta canción para recordarla su sonrisa, sus rabietas, sus bromas, hasta sus días malos..... quedando completamente solo, con una maseta vacía llena de sentimientos rotos y culpándose a si mismo porque no cambio cuando debió hacerlo, llegando a escuchar be your side y esta canción todas las noches, Llorando, hasta que se quito la vida.... yo me quede con su cuenta y me di cuenta que escribió muchos mensajes en muchos videos, Ella se Llama Pucca, si ustedes encuentran a su Pucca dejen que cada día sea como el ultimo a su lado, no pierdan el gusto de poder amar y sentir un abrazo a todos, hoy soy yo el que escucha esta canción y lo recuerdo a él :')
Everyone I have a theory if OMORI took 8 years to finish they could also make a Basil DLC but its going to take 8 years! But remember its just a theory A GAME THEORY!
really sad man,, this game made me wish i actually had a real friend group, my previous one was okay, they were nice but i thought, they were making fun of me in the inside this game just makes me cry man
I'd want a Basil DLC where we go through Basil's pov
Same
dude that would be so cool
Good idea!
capitalism but actually good
that would be complicated to make as the actions of omori are the ones who affect the outcome of the story unless omocat would make it only one ending
the saddest part of omori is that regardless of the ending you got, even on the best ending, altough the outcome is far better, Sunny still leaves them, a repaired friendship that wont be really enjoyed, Hero is issues' still unsolved, Aubrey still has her mother issues, Sunny is father still absent, there is a lot that still needs to be unpacked, perharps this means a continuation, but to keep the horror, that means something *bad* will happen again afterall, this is weird, i never tought i wouldnt want a continuation of a good game simply because of the possible pain it would cause the fictional characters!
I don't think there would be a continuation just because of how many ifs ands and buts there would be. Perhaps the creator wanted it to continue it after the ending of the game, but saw how difficult it would be to leave a tasteful feeling in the player's minds(Mostly for the true ending.). Maybe Sunny's friends end up hating him in the end, or maybe they forgive him in some way, I understand that would be a hard pill to swallow. In the end, I believe the best way to end the game was up to the player's speculation, leaving them to either end it in another tragedy, or for the friends to stick together till the end. But nothing will ever be the truth, unless the creators come out with some kind of after thought or truth.
It's all up for interpretation! No one will truly know what happens to the characters after the good ending, hell, we don't even know whether Sunny's friends ended up forgiving him or not. But I kinda like that. It adds to the fact that Sunny's journey was never about finding forgiveness from others, but from himself. I honestly wouldn't want a sequel, as much as I loved this game.
I think the reaction Sunny's friends have is meant to be ambiguous, and left up to how the player interprets their relationships with one another. I think they would all forgive him and Basil, even if it was hard and even if it took some time. Hero says that last time they all left each other when Mari died, but that this time they would stay together. I like to think that stays true in the face of any difficult revelations that may come forward. There would be anger, outrage, and sadness, but ultimately the appreciation for Mari and their memories of their childhood would keep them together.
Life is like that, no one is going to have all the answers, Neither the characters in omori will, they will develop them with time. For that reason is why they're such good characters, they feel realistic
Okay what the fuck are up with these essay comments
I really like Basil's character. Even when they played hide and seek and he got grabbed by boss, he still treated boss very kindly. I hated having to see him really upset when he had found out that sunny was moving in the real world. He's a great character in both the real world and headspace. He seems like someone I would enjoy being around.
Yeah! And he would teach you about any kind of flower
@@winypacifist5034 And he would also teach just how tight you should tie that noose in your backyard!
@@n1ck_ i wonder why basil is an expert at making those
@@cmaermej153 It’s believed he tried to kill himself by hanging before Mari died
@@Mari-eo3yi Wait Basil has a backstory?
(not mean old flower boy)
I was listening to this as soothing background sound while I did work and AHHHH I did not expect that ending sound
._. sorry
same holy sht
@@Serenity_S3 yeah same with me.
@@Serenity_S3 didn't expect it, but i liked it
Honestly basil seems like the person I'd want to be a friend with most of all. Maybe it's because of my protective nature but I feel like people like him need a friend to be their pillar of support. Those who are weak need someone strong to help pick them up when they fall and provide comfort when they feel alone.
Gotta protect the boy-
@@kowerlol yes
I feel like he's pretty damn strong tho, carrying his and sunny's burden, getting bullied and taking care of his sick grandma while trying to maintain a functional life and all, he may be emotionally the strongest of the group after Kel, he just went through A LOT
still want to protecc tho
also you can rely on him in case you have to dispose of a body
@@muri7360 yeah but he needs someone. just like the sunflower, he needs sun(ny)
he was shocked when sunny was leaving and felt alone when he stopped talking to him, and without him he was literally gonna die himself.
he's not weak, but he naturally takes the supporting role and likes to be the friend that provides support and you can rely on (also for carrying bodies)
Facts: Everyone needed a friendgroup like this is their childhoods. Everyone needed a Kel, who's energetic and annoying. Everyone needed an Aubrey, who's sweet and passionate. Everyone needed an Omori, who's quiet but a great listener. Everyone needed a Basil, who's sensitive and cute. Everyone needed a Mari, who protects and cares for you. And everyone needed a Hero, who's just a very chill person
Yea this game really made me wish I had friends lol
@@bus8398 Same lmao
this game made me feel like i had friends! 69/10
@@IF_Y0UR3_BLE3D1NG_UND0 this one just made me sadder cause it made me realise i dont have any, and really made me want some lmao, good game anyways tho.
@@IF_Y0UR3_BLE3D1NG_UND0 Same ._.
I was trying to sleep to this and the ending actually scared me lol
Sorry
I placed a warning in the description to prevent scaring people because someone commented the same before
I fell asleep with this so I didn’t even know what happened In the ending
Such an amazing game, might be the best game Ive ever played im so glad I experienced it before it goes big. I cant stop thinking about it every little bit of it was perfect
Same
This music helps when I'm trying to recover from listening to my teacher in my most hated subject. Thank you.
That's sad, but I get the feeling. You're welcome.
People think I’m just being edgy whenever I say that I hate school, but I’m literally not learning almost anything, sometimes I stay up till like 4 am just so that I can have free time, because I spend the whole day doing homework sometimes
@@DUMRATBOY yea same here some people even call me edgy for no reason like stfu-
@@honeylavender6104 you're edgy :D
@@pollenzx mhm and what else?
i can't believe that I managed to get scared by the ending, even though I already knew it was going to happen from the other comments
Not me drawing peacefully with this background music and literally SHITTING my pants at the ending you did... (I love this song, thanks for making an extended version!
Thanks for doing my request.........
yep!
Ok ok. i love the ending you did
Oh god i was doing homework and listening to this mindlessly and then 30:43 happened and scared the shit out of me
SORRY!!!
@@Serenity_S3 It’s totally fine lol, I thought it was a really neat touch at the end.
I like nostalgia and omori no matter if its has been a day, a month or almost a year since you first played it is really nostalgic. The areas , the colors , the characters, the theme, the story and a lot more. Everything just makes it like a bittersweet moment that hurts but is still like a happy dream. I got this game back in April it kind of reminded me of undertale so I said why not even though I thought I would still like undertale more but I was dead wrong. This game is a masterpiece of its own its so good that its almost scary it gives me the feeling of trying to recall memories I lost in the past even if they are bad. It might just be me who feels this way but it doesn’t matter after all everyone gets a different message in everything it would lose its meaning if all people felt the same. This game has taught me that I have to accept things and still push forward even if I’m late doesn’t matter how long it takes its still as big as a step even if you take it late. Thank you omori.
What could I wish for when I have everything I want right here.
- Basil
The end is my favorite clip/cutscene from omori. I don't know why I love it so much-
I also love this extension. Calming but sad in my opinion.
This gives me that feeling of “coming back home from a big birthday party”, you come back from the funnest day of your life, and then you lay down back in bed, you realize this’ll be the first and last time you’d expirience this, no matter if your next birthday is the same thing, its not going to be the same as this
As you stare at the ceiling, you wish you could feel that sense of happiness again, it felt like you just became a kid again.
Or maybe its just me?
Basil is such a sweet character 😍 I'm planning to name my future potted plant after him, because unfortunately "Asriel" is already reserved for my future Axolotl
flowey for your other flower
lmao when I started the game, I thought Basil was a girl
I think most of us did
who didn't?
I’m used to more feminine dude characters so I immediately saw him as a guy
@@PoorPescado me
@@niikoban545 same
BRUH I WAS JUST VIBING AND DRAWING TO THIS AND ALL OF A SUDDEN I HEAR THE ENDING AND I JUMPED
When I have my bad thoughts I would listen to this to calm myself.
Time to memorize this theme so I can listen to is at night without murdering my headphone's battery! :D
This melody really makes me want to cry. I guess it reminds me of the shit I've done to my mother, the sweetest person on earth, ah, gee. It's like how I feel when I hug her.
[ SPOILERS ALERT FOR OMORI. Would you like to continue? ]
Basil is the best character, and nothing will convince me otherwise. He went through a lot, and when I say that, I mean it. Knowing that he knew how to make a su1c1dal knot, at the age of twelve, it's given the deduction that he searched it up times before.
Soothing.
This is beautiful
WHY, WHY DOESN'T TH-cam MUSIC COUNT THAT MASTERPIECE AS A MUSIC
when i listen to this on loop the ending always scares the crap out of me
...the song is very nostalgic... why...?
Its been a week since I started playing this game and already feels nostalgic
I FORGOT ABOUT THE BOOKCASE ALERT GOGD _DAMMIT_ IT IS 1 AM I CANNOT DO THIS
I finished Omori last week and this theme makes me feel nostalgic. I even use it to fall asleep. It is gorgeous.
I wnated to do homework with this music
But i guess listening to it during nighttime just makes you sleep so....
Oof
2:20 This aged badly
I HEARD THIS SONG TOO MANY TIMES CUZ MY SISTET PUT THIS AS HER ALARM I COULD NEVER HEAR THAT SONG THE SAME AGAIN
i felt anxious .now i feel better .thanks
30:42
so i was playing sims listening to this video and when this played i got scared and felt like my soul was leaving my body
How did I not realize, throughout the ENTIRE DAMN GAME, that Basil's chat sprite is a different color than his player sprite?? Why am realizing this now?? :v
FINALLY!!!!! i can sleep
30:50
I wish this was a full version of this variant.
i got jumpscared by the ending, gosh
Confirmo que si me asusto, pero me gusta mucho el video asi. Asi es como es Omori al jugarlo, de un momento a otro se vuelve algo turbio.
did anyone notice how similar it sounds with Home from Undertale?
no 💖
It's different.
In "Home," you could see a cozy house filled with the lingering scent of freshly baked butterscotch pie.
Just by the fireplace is your mom, who is busy reading a book (maybe about snails?), along with the crisp sounds of scorching firewood.
It feels just like home, as one would have imagined by looking at the name.
...
"A Home For Flowers" leaves a rather bittersweet feeling, with the intensity depending on which variation, how far you are into the game, and the reasoning behind it all.
Maybe it was once a happy melody filled with lots of happy memories but not anymore, at least not now.
It's reminiscent to "Isabella's Lullaby" from The Promised Neverland and/or "Everywhere At The End Of Time" by The Caretaker.
...
Perhaps you meant "Empty House?"
Because then, it would make much more sense.
No
Why is everyone so angry lol, it's just an opinion guys
@@1s41r0 I think you're right ^^ Thanks for not getting angry like a baby lol, what you wrote is awesome and a good analysis!!
when your dogs old and sick so you put em down
... why do you do that ?
i actually dont remember wring this comment lol
very big pokemon mystery dungeon vibes
even the same instrument fr
Esta canción me deja con una nostalgia tremenda, cuando jugué Omori me sentí como Basil, después de entregarlo todo y tenerlo todo, de un momento a otro no tienes nada, solo una angustia que no me deja salir de mi habitación, no querer levantarme y ser como un mueble más en casa....
I don't know why but this soundtrack sounds very familiar. Like i heard it when i was a kid idk I wanna cry
Bro- that jump scares really creepy
It like you focus on the song and somethinge run into you really fast
Why do i have the need to sweat from eyes
ah yes. before everything went terribly wrong :)
>tries not to cry
>cries
10:19 IDK the top middle one but i can guess all the others.
I can’t tell if you’re sarcastic or not and I feel dumb for it
THAT END SCARED THE SHIT OUT OF ME
this is already nostalgic, shit.
30:44 I WAS LISTENING TO THIS (not know anything) AND I JUST GOT JUMPSCARED 😭 LMAO
it happens to the best of us...
So much pain from that main chorus.
I listen to this whenever I need a safe space
could you do the sunflower version please? :D
I might do it, just take into account I apparently have a queue...
Maybe I shouldn't accept every request...
...
Ok I'll do it, but it'll take a while :)
@@Serenity_S3 :o thank you!
@@leiirue Here it isss:
th-cam.com/video/R-8TileHPaM/w-d-xo.html
just my thoughts. don’t mind me.
sometimes i want to run away
but everyone else will disapprove
sometimes i want to be left alone
but nobody will shut up
they can’t help me
i don’t need it
and they only make things worse.
why can’t i be good enough
everyone else stoops so low
just to meet my stupid needs
they think i can’t go on
but i try
they’re mad at me
i just know they are
why can’t i do anything right
i got jump scared, that was funny
Ah yes... Sunny with a flower...
This game is truly wonderful, Isn’t it? I wish it could go on forever. But nothing is like that. *how disappointing*
Reality is often disappointing
@@welcometovibespace5596 Indeed.
But that's the beauty of it, isn't it? It may not go on forever, but it leaves a memory behind.
@@1s41r0 I guess you’re right
Finished the true route around 4 months ago, I'm gonna play the hikki route now
I don't know too many things about it so it'll be fun :)
30:43 *BOOKCASE JUMPSCARE*
私はまた４年後にここへ戻ってきます
i miss this game
my uncle who i havent seen for 8 years is in a hospice dying with cancer in his brain,lungs,liver and stomach and i cant even speak on the phone because his condition and i cant go to the hospice because restrictions
How are you doing now?
@@soupbun6373 better but then worse, idk man im falling into a hole more and more
Mind doing Dear little brother or another Home for flowers
I don't like that much the others A Home For Flowers, but I might do Dear Little Brother.
If I remember correctly, I was planning on doing that one before...
Just give me some time.
I finally have Dear Little Brother:
th-cam.com/video/zXaffhoHunI/w-d-xo.html
esta es una desventura de un amigo con respecto a esta canción, se trata del típico joven que conoce al amor de su vida en su trabajo, tal como dice esta canción (su vida era vacía) sin flores, ni sueños, solo vivir el día a día, hasta que conoce a una chica de pelo morado con muchos tatuajes que compartían profesión hasta la misma fecha de cumpleaños, ella era todo lo contrario a él, feliz, alegre, inteligente, hasta que un día floreció el amor, ella era detallista y dio lo mejor de si, desde el minuto 1 al contrario él nunca abrió su corazón del todo, y la relación termino fracturándose, cuando él decidió abrir su corazón y decirle lo que sentía, ya era tarde, ella un día le dijo esto se acabo, a la fecha no sabemos que fue de ella, lo que si esta claro es que él llega todas las noches a esta canción para recordarla su sonrisa, sus rabietas, sus bromas, hasta sus días malos.....
quedando completamente solo, con una maseta vacía llena de sentimientos rotos y culpándose a si mismo porque no cambio cuando debió hacerlo, llegando a escuchar be your side y esta canción todas las noches, Llorando, hasta que se quito la vida.... yo me quede con su cuenta y me di cuenta que escribió muchos mensajes en muchos videos, Ella se Llama Pucca, si ustedes encuentran a su Pucca dejen que cada día sea como el ultimo a su lado, no pierdan el gusto de poder amar y sentir un abrazo a todos, hoy soy yo el que escucha esta canción y lo recuerdo a él :')
Everyone I have a theory if OMORI took 8 years to finish they could also make a Basil DLC but its going to take 8 years! But remember its just a theory A GAME THEORY!
Who thought here Omori has long hair
Where is version of the first few secs of 30:54. The tempo is way better IMO but I cant find it
OMORI OST - 089 Bookcase
WEAR. HEADPHONES. TRUST ME-
30:44 Or not
i keep expecting the undertale theme to play at random points in this song
30:42 holy that terrified me
me too, i was doing homework and then
really sad man,, this game made me wish i actually had a real friend group, my previous one was okay, they were nice but i thought, they were making fun of me in the inside
this game just makes me cry man
Are you okay?
@@basilplushie2534 im okay, feeling good nowadays but i saw one of my old friends at school and that made me tear up a bit!
@@vvaqa I wish I had friends
wtf the screamer in the end
It’s so chili
Where does this music play in the game?
I'm sad
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
w IN CHAT
hi
I forgot how to say hello
I am Chara
64
who else thought kel was a girl when going in?