It's full name is the GE C44-9W, the C is the wheel arrangement C-C 6 axles, 4,400 horsepower, the -9 stands for model series, and the W stands for wide cab.
I believe the c stands for the c-c truck arrangement and the w stands for wide cab or North American wide cab. Just like the es44c4 stands for evolution series 4400 hp and c 4 standing for only 4 powered axels
From the research I've done for my model railroad project, the only GEs that BN ever bought new and kept around were 250 C30-7s to replace engines that were aged out, and a few dozen B30-7s and C36-7s. Vs nearly 850 SD40-2s and 100 SD45s. In the 80s BN bought a dozen or so C40-8Ws, ran them for 6 months, returned them, and bought 100 SD60Ms instead.
BN never bought any C40-8Ws. They leased some from CSX and they had their "Power By the Hour" agreement with LMX. The only Dash 8s BN ever rostered were 3 GECX B32-8 demonstrator units. They were painted and numbered for BN, but were actually on lease from GE back in the 80s.
Excellent video on the Dash 9s! And the reason for the gull wing cab design on Santa Fe and later BNSF units was indeed so the locomotive would meet clearance restrictions at some of the coal mines the railroad served. Also one correction, the ex Santa Fe Dash 9s that have been rebuilt are actually classified as AC44C4Ms as they have just 4 powered axles like the ES44C4 and ET44C4 that BNSF owns have and also ride on the same trucks as those two models as well! Here on the Thayer Subdivision, the Dash 9s are still considered the power of choice along with the ES44s and ET44s. Probably the reason BNSF predecessor Burlington Northern didn't jump on the Dash 9 bandwagon was for the reasons you mentioned as well as the fact BN was having alot of success with EMD's SD70MAC plus the road's fleet of SD40-2s and SD60Ms were showing no signs of slowing down so BN was probably in the mindset of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" and elected to just go with what they knew worked!
Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed the video. Thanks for the correction as well, I didn't know much about locomotive models then. Yeah, railroads like to take the "if it ain't broke done fix it" approach to a lot of things.
@@Southern_Plains_Railfan no problem! I believe also the reason BNSF didn't carry the "gull wing" cab design over to the ES44 and ET44 was that by the time those locomotives entered service, the mines that Santa Fe/BNSF had served had long since been closed and thus BNSF elected to not continue using that particular cab design and just go with the standard GE wide cab. There were also rumblings that BNSF would discontinue the C4 project and were testing the C6 design that Norfolk Southern uses on their rebuilt locomotives, but so far, none of the existing C4s have been converted to true 6 motor units yet, but it does appear that BNSF has not purchased any new ET44C4s or sent any of their remaining Dash 9s for the DC to AC conversion rebuilds as of now.
The cw suffix was for the cabs on the locomotives the c stood for crew.and thew stood for wide cabs.hence the term, crew wide cab.this put the conductor up front with the engineer,and the brake man. WHEN the caboose were eliminated from the rear of the train. They are also known as wide cab locomotives, because of the ability to accommodate the entire train crew.
I love the dash 9 locos as they are. It's sad that NS, CSX, UP and maybe BNSF later will convert all of them to Ac44c6m's in the future. I like DC traction motor engines as much as AC traction motor engines because they are both functional and special in their own unique way.
The lead railroad to use Dash 9s was the Chicago and North Western. The first demonstrator from GE was purchased by CNW after it was delivered. It was the last new locomotive for CNW before they were bought by Union Pacific.
the gull wing cab roofs were due to a coal loader at a mine in utah near castle rock... i saw it on a video... later the loader was modified after getting damaged by ( i believe ) sd9043
i think the c and b refers to the numbers of wheels on each side of the axel and for example B40-8W B means there's two wheels and each side of the axel and b is the 2nd letter of the alphabet 40 means 4000 horsepower 8 means the dash 8 series was built in the 80's and lastly the W means wide cab.
Wow, your voice sounds completely different in your older videos! 😂 And the "gull-wing" cab roof was intended to meet clearance restrictions at the York Canyon, NM coal mine. The specification was first used on the later batches of B40-8Ws and on all C40-8Ws delivered to the ATSF, but the specification request was never removed, and was basically stuck on all Dash 9 orders from 1994-2004 that were delivered to ATSF and BNSF.
3:42 I think the C stands for 6 Axle trucks and the W stands for Wide Cab. C - 3 Axle Truck 44 - 4,400 hp -9 - Designed in the 1990s W - Wide Cab Another Example B40-8W B - 2 Axle Truck 40 - 4,000 hp -8 - Designed in the 1980s W - Wide Cab
First off, thanks to everybody that (finally) explained the dash number. I was confused because usually a "dash something" indicates a modification to a model (not the year). Next, I was going to suggest a video that explains some of the classifications, or model numbers, for those that don't speak the lingo. Sorry to say, but after 5 to 10 "SD dash something or others"s many people give up trying to understand what you are saying. Especially when speakers are spitting everything out as fast as they can move their mouths. What's the fricking rush? Does the fastest speaker get a prize at the end of the year? Lastly, reading all the corrections to this video, I think I'll pass on asking for an educational video for newbies. Having to unlearn bad info is worse than never learning at all. Tip: if you want more people to watch your videos... slow it down. Give people that don't know this topic time to comprehend what you say, orelseitallcomesoutasonelongstringoflettersandwordsthatfewcanunderstand.
The c w comes from the "c" obviously a pair of 3 axle trucks and the "w" wide cab which GE continues to use since the dash 8 series when the widecab was optional even they just have not used the standard cab.
Also, GE used the DASH to represent the type of electronics or computer components. The 7, 8, 9, or ES is the decade being produced (1970's, 1980's, 1990's 2000's).
The DASH refers to the electronics and computer components. The 9 refers to the decade it was produced - 9= 1990's, 8= 1980's, 7= 1970's, Evolution Series = 2000's...can you now see a pattern!?!
Is this possible to planned a Ge Dash 10, this locomotive could be 10 axles, 2 in front, 3 behind and this on each side! They have new more efficiency motors and they are stronger, maybe 8000 horsepower and a bit more speed. This locomotive is needed for longer and heavier trains, could this be produced ? Your videos are really good!
@@Southern_Plains_Railfan Thanks, I was thinking more of the ALCO 855, but such a locomotive would need more fuel, the tanks would also have to be bigger, so we would have to see where they could be accommodated!
No it does not, although that would seem likely. The CW actually means this: C is for its wheel configuration of C-C trucks and the W is for its cab being the wide version. Note: Wide cabs does not refer to width. It refers to length.
No it does not. CW refers to the axles C-C arrangement and W is for the type of cab being wide version. Note: Wide Cabs does not mean width. It refers to length.
Its funny that most people don't know this. So let me explain. locomotive diesels are classified by their wheel arrangements of B-B, C-C, or A1A for example. B-B is 4 axles, C-C is 6 axles and A1A is six axles, but only four are powered with the middle axle non-powered (EMD E9 series were like this). The W refers to the type of cab installed either standard Spartan or Wide Cab versions.
Tractive effort is not measured in ft. lbs. It is a straight up figure in pounds, which for the Dash 9 is about 109,000 lbs. Why at 4:14 are you showing a 12-cylinder GEVO engine, when the Dash 9 had a 16-cylinder 7FDL? At 4:51 No. 605 is a C4, with only 4 powered axles, not a C6M, which would have 6 powered axles. You seriously need to get your facts straight before you post a video.
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It's full name is the GE C44-9W, the C is the wheel arrangement C-C 6 axles, 4,400 horsepower, the -9 stands for model series, and the W stands for wide cab.
I believe the c stands for the c-c truck arrangement and the w stands for wide cab or North American wide cab. Just like the es44c4 stands for evolution series 4400 hp and c 4 standing for only 4 powered axels
Ooook, it all makes sense now! lol Thanks for helping me out. I didn't know that the "es" in ES44AC stood for Evolution Series. Thanks for the info!
That or for the nose being a wide or in Canada cowl width nose
From the research I've done for my model railroad project, the only GEs that BN ever bought new and kept around were 250 C30-7s to replace engines that were aged out, and a few dozen B30-7s and C36-7s. Vs nearly 850 SD40-2s and 100 SD45s. In the 80s BN bought a dozen or so C40-8Ws, ran them for 6 months, returned them, and bought 100 SD60Ms instead.
BN never bought any C40-8Ws. They leased some from CSX and they had their "Power By the Hour" agreement with LMX. The only Dash 8s BN ever rostered were 3 GECX B32-8 demonstrator units. They were painted and numbered for BN, but were actually on lease from GE back in the 80s.
Excellent video on the Dash 9s! And the reason for the gull wing cab design on Santa Fe and later BNSF units was indeed so the locomotive would meet clearance restrictions at some of the coal mines the railroad served. Also one correction, the ex Santa Fe Dash 9s that have been rebuilt are actually classified as AC44C4Ms as they have just 4 powered axles like the ES44C4 and ET44C4 that BNSF owns have and also ride on the same trucks as those two models as well! Here on the Thayer Subdivision, the Dash 9s are still considered the power of choice along with the ES44s and ET44s. Probably the reason BNSF predecessor Burlington Northern didn't jump on the Dash 9 bandwagon was for the reasons you mentioned as well as the fact BN was having alot of success with EMD's SD70MAC plus the road's fleet of SD40-2s and SD60Ms were showing no signs of slowing down so BN was probably in the mindset of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" and elected to just go with what they knew worked!
Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed the video. Thanks for the correction as well, I didn't know much about locomotive models then. Yeah, railroads like to take the "if it ain't broke done fix it" approach to a lot of things.
@@Southern_Plains_Railfan no problem! I believe also the reason BNSF didn't carry the "gull wing" cab design over to the ES44 and ET44 was that by the time those locomotives entered service, the mines that Santa Fe/BNSF had served had long since been closed and thus BNSF elected to not continue using that particular cab design and just go with the standard GE wide cab. There were also rumblings that BNSF would discontinue the C4 project and were testing the C6 design that Norfolk Southern uses on their rebuilt locomotives, but so far, none of the existing C4s have been converted to true 6 motor units yet, but it does appear that BNSF has not purchased any new ET44C4s or sent any of their remaining Dash 9s for the DC to AC conversion rebuilds as of now.
The cw suffix was for the cabs on the locomotives the c stood for crew.and thew stood for wide cabs.hence the term, crew wide cab.this put the conductor up front with the engineer,and the brake man. WHEN the caboose were eliminated from the rear of the train. They are also known as wide cab locomotives, because of the ability to accommodate the entire train crew.
That’s some good info. Thank you!
I love the dash 9 locos as they are. It's sad that NS, CSX, UP and maybe BNSF later will convert all of them to Ac44c6m's in the future. I like DC traction motor engines as much as AC traction motor engines because they are both functional and special in their own unique way.
The lead railroad to use Dash 9s was the Chicago and North Western. The first demonstrator from GE was purchased by CNW after it was delivered. It was the last new locomotive for CNW before they were bought by Union Pacific.
That's cool, I never knew that.
the gull wing cab roofs were due to a coal loader at a mine in utah near castle rock... i saw it on a video... later the loader was modified after getting damaged by ( i believe ) sd9043
Very interesting. Thanks for the information!
i think the c and b refers to the numbers of wheels on each side of the axel and for example B40-8W B means there's two wheels and each side of the axel and b is the 2nd letter of the alphabet 40 means 4000 horsepower 8 means the dash 8 series was built in the 80's and lastly the W means wide cab.
C means 6 axles and W means wide nose
Thank you!
CW meant, C= 3 axles per truck and W= wide cab.
Ah, thank you
Great Video, love the Dash-9's
Thank you!
And this is a amazing video keep up the good work
Thank you 😊
Wow, your voice sounds completely different in your older videos! 😂 And the "gull-wing" cab roof was intended to meet clearance restrictions at the York Canyon, NM coal mine. The specification was first used on the later batches of B40-8Ws and on all C40-8Ws delivered to the ATSF, but the specification request was never removed, and was basically stuck on all Dash 9 orders from 1994-2004 that were delivered to ATSF and BNSF.
You should do the EMD SD40-3 and what parts have been rebuilt from the SD40-2
3:42 I think the C stands for 6 Axle trucks and the W stands for Wide Cab.
C - 3 Axle Truck
44 - 4,400 hp
-9 - Designed in the 1990s
W - Wide Cab
Another Example
B40-8W
B - 2 Axle Truck
40 - 4,000 hp
-8 - Designed in the 1980s
W - Wide Cab
Very nice!
Thank you!
First off, thanks to everybody that (finally) explained the dash number. I was confused because usually a "dash something" indicates a modification to a model (not the year).
Next, I was going to suggest a video that explains some of the classifications, or model numbers, for those that don't speak the lingo. Sorry to say, but after 5 to 10 "SD dash something or others"s many people give up trying to understand what you are saying. Especially when speakers are spitting everything out as fast as they can move their mouths. What's the fricking rush? Does the fastest speaker get a prize at the end of the year?
Lastly, reading all the corrections to this video, I think I'll pass on asking for an educational video for newbies. Having to unlearn bad info is worse than never learning at all.
Tip: if you want more people to watch your videos... slow it down. Give people that don't know this topic time to comprehend what you say, orelseitallcomesoutasonelongstringoflettersandwordsthatfewcanunderstand.
CW mean C-C 6 axle and W mean wide cab
Ah, thank you.
The c w comes from the "c" obviously a pair of 3 axle trucks and the "w" wide cab which GE continues to use since the dash 8 series when the widecab was optional even they just have not used the standard cab.
C stands for 6 axles, W stands for Wide Cab. Also, if you find a GE locomotive like the B23-7. The B stands for 4 axles.
Ok, thank you!
Also, GE used the DASH to represent the type of electronics or computer components. The 7, 8, 9, or ES is the decade being produced (1970's, 1980's, 1990's 2000's).
@@crsrdash-840b5Yeah
You forgot about Chicago north western dash 9
The Dash 9 is a direct successor to the Dash 8, not a predecessor to the Dash 8.
Thanks for pointing that out. I was about to do so.
As for the CW, the "C" means C trucks. the "W" means wide cab.
“C”’Is For 3 Axle Trucks. “W” Means Wide Cab.
Review the SW1 if you havn't already.
The DASH refers to the electronics and computer components. The 9 refers to the decade it was produced - 9= 1990's, 8= 1980's, 7= 1970's, Evolution Series = 2000's...can you now see a pattern!?!
The Dash-9 was the successor to the Dash-8, not its predecessor.
Tell me you have an ACe review, too!
Is this possible to planned a Ge Dash 10, this locomotive could be 10 axles, 2 in front, 3 behind and this on each side! They have new more efficiency motors and they are stronger, maybe 8000 horsepower and a bit more speed. This locomotive is needed for longer and heavier trains, could this be produced ? Your videos are really good!
I'm glad you liked the videos. The Dash-10 is an interesting idea. Would it be similar to a DDA40X or an ALCO Century 855?
@@Southern_Plains_Railfan Thanks, I was thinking more of the ALCO 855, but such a locomotive would need more fuel, the tanks would also have to be bigger, so we would have to see where they could be accommodated!
0:53 is not a Dash-9. Union Pacific only used the AC4000CW
oh, oops
Actually that is a Dash 9, i believe former SP
Dash 9 .. The 9 means built in the 90s , Dash 8 , 80s and Dash 7 was the 70s .. Or so I am lead to believe
you are correct. However, the series did often overlap into the next decade. That was okay with railroads.
CN Rail wasen't the only Canadian cab version BC Rail also had Canadian cab version
You forget about the Chicago north western dash 9
Oh yeah! Sorry, there were just so many railroads that used them, I couldn’t name them all.
@@Southern_Plains_Railfan CNW was the first railroad to use the Dash 9. Too bad you didn't include a photo, they were striking in appearance.
CW refers to “ CAB WIDE “.
No it does not, although that would seem likely. The CW actually means this: C is for its wheel configuration of C-C trucks and the W is for its cab being the wide version. Note: Wide cabs does not refer to width. It refers to length.
Incorrect
@@WesternSouthDakotaRailfan2006 - about what?
The CW or WC means Wide Cab
No it does not. CW refers to the axles C-C arrangement and W is for the type of cab being wide version. Note: Wide Cabs does not mean width. It refers to length.
Nah
@@WesternSouthDakotaRailfan2006 to which part of the statement?
Can wide or wide cab
Canadian Cab. They’re less common and more unique.
Its funny that most people don't know this. So let me explain. locomotive diesels are classified by their wheel arrangements of B-B, C-C, or A1A for example. B-B is 4 axles, C-C is 6 axles and A1A is six axles, but only four are powered with the middle axle non-powered (EMD E9 series were like this). The W refers to the type of cab installed either standard Spartan or Wide Cab versions.
This is the most common and generic looking freight locomotive. This and the SD40. I have never ever seen an EMD 70/80/90.
Where'd the accent go 😂
Tractive effort is not measured in ft. lbs. It is a straight up figure in pounds, which for the Dash 9 is about 109,000 lbs. Why at 4:14 are you showing a 12-cylinder GEVO engine, when the Dash 9 had a 16-cylinder 7FDL? At 4:51 No. 605 is a C4, with only 4 powered axles, not a C6M, which would have 6 powered axles. You seriously need to get your facts straight before you post a video.