Arctic Cat M 858 REVIEW. Tested and reviewed - again!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 มี.ค. 2024
- We ride and test the latest 2025 Arctic Cat M 858 calibration. Arctic Cat has been working on engine and clutching calibration since our initial 858 test ride and review podcast. Cat's mountain engineering team invited us back up to ride the latest engine and clutching calibration this week. Bruce Kerbs and Ryan Harris report on how the 858 performs now.
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I love how the video opens with 'Polaris presents'
Glad to hear the updated sleds run like they’re supposed to. I’m impressed you guys owned up and re did the review. I ordered mine on Wednesday March 13th and according to my dealer the all black base models are all sold out. I ended up with the snopro 154 3” and added the aluminum boards, glad I did.
owned up? Bro cat gave them a half assed sled for an important review. That's on cat! Get ready for more of it when you get your 858 and the primary still explodes and cat has oiling issues with their engine. Cat is still back of the pack
@@bertrenolds5your back at your pack. Get ready to see the 858’s snow flap🚀🚀😂
Regardless of which sled you ride, it's great to see them updating things and making the 858 competitive; competition is great for everyone! Well done Cat.
A sponsor of the show is irrelevant to reviews 😂 some people always have something to whine about.
Great you guys got back out. Awesome response by AC. Lessons learned all around, especially for AC.
For what it’s worth I think the prior two postcast 858 review videos should stay posted. The retest podcast is great and informative (and kudos to AC for making quick changes) but the opinions from the original test are still valid to your experience of the machines as they were presented. AC didn’t have to put forward their pre-production units with the early tuning and I’m sure they were aware journalists were going to develop their opinions and share them on their media channels. Thank you for the excellent reporting and transparency. I hope the production units are as good as the units you rode in the retest and that Arctic Cat has great success with their Catalyst platform and their engine offerings.
Thanks for the second review, this is the 858 Sno Pro I rode with Shay, it runs
Thank you snowest and Arctic cat!
Thanks for the new update
Thanks for taking another look at these.
Its good to hear that Artic Cat put in some effort to fix what was going on.
Hopefully they learned their lesson to only let media ride something that has been tested more thoroughly.
Now if only you guys can get them to keep parts in stock and not have rediculous warranty policies. (Fix and repair, then ask for reimbursement which may or may not be denied).
Once again, I do appreciate the honesty on how you feel when you ride. On paper these are neat machines, and its good that they're putting in the time to get the hardware to perform where it should.
The handling sounds like this really is the second coming of the M7. That sled was amazing when it came out in Fall of 2004. Makes me glad I have a Mountain Cat Alpha One ATAC 154/3.0 on order.
Great to see they improved the calibration. I would buy the base model based on price. I think it is the best value.
Very good info!! Guess I have a few more weeks to decide on checking one. 😬
I still got my Pantera 800 -98 triple, but i had a m800 -13 once very fun!😃
Super happy to hear this second take. Cat has never been known to have a 2 stoke motor with a low end grunt behind it so I just assumed that this new motor was more of the same ol' same ol', but we all know how much of a difference clutching can make and it's great news to hear!! Ryan you hit the nail on the head in regards to the Alpha rail. Guys don't want to spend $20K to learn how to ride something that is completely different from what they're used to. That's an expensive gamble. I would order a Catalyst in a heartbeat if they brought back the Hard Core with the twin rail. I know Cat is tired of hearing us beg for one, but I know they'd sell extremely well. Thanks for the update fellas!
They've never been known to make a reliable sled either 😂
@@comradeeverclear4063 Agree. I do have a Yamicat in my stable and purchased for the motor. The chassis on the other hand needed a lot of fixes. Glad we have BOP to cover where AC failed.
@@comradeeverclear4063 Wait for it....
You never heard of the Firecat? 😂
@comradeeverclear4063 you're thinking of Polaris, the stop ride and recall king 😂
Glad they cleaned it up. still can't imagine how that would ever happen.
If cat wants to sell mountain sleds it would probably be a good idea to have a dealership in West Yellowstone Montana.
Still interesting to me that the last skidoo review was not "Polaris" sponsored. Skidoo reviews and Polaris reviews get rider reviews by guys who ride nothing but. Maybe get a Arctic Cat Ambassador to do a Podcast review
Exactly, it seems they were trying to take the shine from cat because there was so much buzz around the new platform.
Not to forget aftermarket parts will be available to reduce more of the rotating mass and make things more durable... and with their close ties with Speedwerx I wouldn't be surprised if a turbo kit becomes readily available by next model year.
What would be an amazing kit if somehow they could make a twin rail with a track and easy swap it; only need one sled but have the availability to have the Alpha or Twin rail.
Looking forward to see what happens after a season on the snow with these 858s.
Well that was a complete 180 from the last pod 😂
Hello AC haters
I backed out on buying the 2025 cat just because of their reviews, and now i feel like there paid off by cat to do a re review so fuck that I'm not buying it so a big thank u to snowwest for fucking my decision.
You better hope this 858 pays off. If it doesn't, say goodbye to kitty cat.
@@jjkcollinssounds like something a chick would say
😂
@@wko78mshahhhhhh. So true. He must of had this problem before 😭😂😂😂
Honesty and a good channel 🇸🇪 and i think for 2026 you can chose twin rail or alpha
I thought your initial review was odd, something didn't match compared to my experiences with the Catalyst 600 and 858 trail sleds. So, I'm really glad to hear Cat went back to the calibration and redeemed themselves. As for the podcast sponsorship, bashing a non-sponsor might seem uncomfortable for some, maybe there's a way to clarify your position on that if/when this situation comes up again. I know more than most consumers, but it was not clear if you were being impartial. Overall, good episode, and I'm glad you guys are still riding. Minnesota riding was pretty awful this year, looking to make up for it next year.
haha, a trail sled. Nobody cares about a 600 trail sled and a 858 trail sled is not as important as an actual mtn sled version. MTn sleds make the brand
@@bertrenolds5yep yet mountain only makes up like 26 percent of snowmobiles. So actually trail sleds are more important to the industry. You can say what you want, but understand. If there isn’t a trail segment. Snowmobiling as a whole will die.
@@bertrenolds5mountain sleds make the brand🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️. Dude
@@bertrenolds5 That depends on who you ask, doesn’t it? I don’t get to ride the mountain sleds, and was speaking for myself, based on my experiences.
@@fasterdura1772 Mountain sleds make the brand for mountain riders.
When you ordered your sled you had the option to add the G8. I did
Really hope these new Cats work out well. I'll be in the market for a 2026 model....in 2030 or so :D
Kinda looks like the old Van Amburg boondock tunnel, which worked well, funny is been around a long time though.
Along with the rest of the improvements, maybe AC can think about losing the "mountain bar" as well. ;) Looking forward to getting an 858. Not a first model year guy, though.
I appreciated the review, guys!
moutain bar? There is nothing mtn about that stupid setup! The headlight heater and reverse switch on the bar is stupid first of all, its Just waiting to be smashed by tree with it not to mention those switches fail. They had the stupid bar on there since 2018. Put a real freaking bar on there, look to cfr for inspiration. And only gapers need that grab handle
@@bertrenolds5 Yep, was referring to the grab handle. Makes it look dated, to my eye.
@@turbosporttsi definitely. It's so dated. Just like the switch setup on the bars. Switches should be on the sled on a mtn sled, it's common sense. I ditched thos crap bars on my 18 and went cfr and knucks risers, about 1000times happier
I saw a picture on instagram with the different gauge mount for the g8 any confirmation that they will make that a standard mount for mountain
I agree with Ryan on the guage. I wish I could have ordered the Mountain Cat without the G8
Ill be swapping my black m one to a g8. Hood swapping too. Swap you set up for set up. Only thing is my hood will be black, not blue.
No you don’t. Once you see it you won’t want the standard gauge. I rode both and the standard gauge is a huge step back from the ascender gauge.
lol😂😂😂😂
You guys just saved the Cat fanatics from the noose!!😂😂😂
Stepping off the stool now…
Arctic cats marketing and sales departments need to give their head a shake. Absolutely rediculous they released unpolished sleds to the media - especially on a new platform/engine combo that’s a brand saver. Honestly I’d fire them all. And never let the engineers do press releases. I saw some interviews and just horrible. The whole company needs to get behind the messaging to build excitement and momentum. Again, rediculous.
Wish cat would sponsor some more cat riders that do more u-tub content
Muskoga freerider up in Canada will have one.
@@johnbabb1138 I don't think he would, even if Cat offered... he's been sponsor-less for a reason, doesn't have to worry about having strings attached or being biased.
He can get some other sponsorships instead, like some gear and such if he wants some extra passive income.
@@johnbabb1138he’s an Arctic cat hater. Can’t stand him 😂😂😂. He can stay on his skidoofeeling 💩💩
@@johnbabb1138 he might buy one but he won't take one for sponsorship. And I can't see him ordering one either because he has been hard on Cat all year with the 600's bootin around.
He’s already said he ordered one.
Is AC actually going to have these engine calibrations and clutch adjustments on their production versions?
That would be the end of AC if they don't!!!
How did you guys find the air intakes with snow accumulation?
they changed the design so the seal is no longer on the nose cone which makes tons of sense, atleast they addressed that issue. look for pictures but the intake is vertical now where is seals
I had no problem with the others, I was disappointed, but you guys did say it was a preproduction model and expected change
Love watching your podcast and reviews on sleds and it was a great second review. Actually sounds like a review compared to the first one where the bottom end was the conversation for two podcasts straight and nothing else was talked about really. Cat dropped the ball a bit on the first sleds but you guys are not a small time podcast and should have talked to cat about the sleds not meeting expectations before doing the first review. Everyone else’s reviews weren’t even close to how your first review was. Must have got a pee pee slap from them because you guys all of a sudden liked and talked about a lot of features about the sled that could have been mention in the first podcast.
Monorail is stronger and way easier to ride than the old twin rails systems
The saving weight by choosing the lesser gauge is probably one of the silliest comments I have ever heard. lol What is the weight difference between them? How much do u weigh? You see where this is going? Nonsense and much more relevant or impactful things to save weight.
Yeah I choked on my beverage when he said that it’s not that important. I’ve lost all respect.
To each their own, but I for one am PUMPED for a better information interface! GPS, buddy tracking…for decades we’ve been dreaming of such a thing! I’ll
accept the extra…1.25 lbs…?
What's with all the rubber on the outside of the new Adapt primary clutch ?
Did u see all the rust dust in that primary? Not sure about that
you mean that outter ring? It supposidly steel or something because the adapts kept failing in a few hundred miles when that piece was aluminum. I bet it still explodes. Otherwise there was a recall where cat puts a shiled in there to stopp their exploding primary from killing you
That black sled looks like it has been through hell and back. How many hours on that thing?
You oughtta see my 2013 M8, it makes that thing look like a brand new caddy, because it is, a few scratches don’t mean a thing
@@MichaelGillen-if1nr Aside from the scratches: Warning stickers peeled off, secondary clutch bolt has been reefed on a couple of times, and what's with the discolouration of the primary?
@@AllajchaSibirthats rust coming from the spider
Funny how a bad review wakes up the manufacturer.
Why would they give someone a sled to review that they haven't dialed in the clutching or fuel collaborations. Seems crazy.
Constructive feedback is a very good tool... as long as they are willing to listen to the consumers, which is what it sounds like what happened.
Feels like this vid was fueled by threats haha
Almost canceled my 858 after the first vids too
Why would you believe anything that’s sponsored by another manufacturer??? There are tons and tons of personal reviews out there and it’s very difficult to find a bad reveiw so…
So does that mean the 167hp dino numbers that was floating around was on the bad tune and calibrations?
More than likely
Peak hp and fuel mapping are two complete different thing
I’d imagine that’s still going to be the number it’s at or very close
Good question.
@@gavinchamplin3399To get peak HP you need the correct fuel ratio, that's the point of tuning and gaining HP in an engine. If it wasn't set up correctly with the mapping It could push out more power.
Arctic cat has this nice new chassis which is very welcome FINALLY! Unfortunately they are still using the way past overdue rear suspension FastTrack that is, the new chassis can only perform as good as its rear skid will allow it,The alpha is too niche specific, not particularly appealing to most in this segment.
Told y'all..
Think I will wait one more yr ,will wait for the twin rail system, just not a fan of the alpha, to many issues ! but still glad to see cat back !
Omg people are funny, cry about how Polaris sponsors the snow west show. Any company can sponsor them, they have good relationships with all snowmobile brands. How do you think they are able to test them? They are giving a honest non biased review. I rode Polaris until 05 then Arctic cat until the pro came out. I would love to see the cat kick ass and I love my Polaris too. Quit crying about the reviews they are honest and non biased, they don’t care who’s top dog they just want to ride the best sled.
Interesting the review over two episodes goes from cautious recommendation with legitimate big issues to suddenly this thing is amazing. Seems like someone got a call from an advertiser. What about the vibration that was noted or how you reported the alpha rail causing wash out.? Plastic running boards? I can’t believe I invested my time listening to these podcasts and now a 180 and saying that it’s almost as good as a 9R. What a joke. And discounting the buddy tracking?? It’s like you went through the checklist of all the negatives in the podcast and backtracking your opinions. Wow those arctic cat engineers made amazing changes in 5 days.
I wish my sled had buddy tracking. I wish every manufacturer agreed on its use like avalanche beacon frequencies.
It seems like a sudden correction of opinions right before snowcheck ends. Sales must have dived after the first two podcasts.
oh my god they admited the mono rail washes out? what episode was that because I say that constantly and think the mono is bs. Nobody want's a mono rail cat, make it a twin! I honestly think you are onto something. Someone got a call and had to kiss ass.
Do you understand that Arctic Cat is a tiny company, it’s basically one step above dudes in a garage. My point being I think they just F’d up and made quick corrections. They’re probably all working 18 hr days to get this sled ready.
That's what a reputable company does, gets their whole team to calibrate a machine to specs so you can give them a chance again!
Polaris sponsorship 💣 TERMINATION 😂😂😂😂😂. 858……🚀🚀🚀
If your still figuring out the calibration on a brand new sled maybe dont hand it over to the press to review and forward to the potential customers… makes me wonder how much durability testing and whatnot is done before people buy them.
Arctic cat needs to offer a twin rail!!
Would get one if it was a twin rail. Can’t beat a Alfa can jump and beat a twin rail
2 polarious dudes reviewing a better sled worried about a pound while the rest of us worry about which brand will shear off a tree and keep going. The other brands besides cat bend and bust on every ride. You guys are funny 😂
wow you have drank the koolaid. Would be nice if we could get more then a few hundred miles out of the adapt before it explodes. How bout those stupid handlebar setups. One tree will rip that stupid headlight switch right off.
All the cat fanboys forgot all about the Polaris sponsorship now that they heard what they wanted to 😂
Какая цена у вас😊
Before and after the palm greasing …oops I mean sponsorship
I love ... love arctic cat ... but somethings changed with the people. And maybe to do with being bought by Timken. when I hear these guys talking about cat calling them out ? It kinda confirms my thoughts. Give the people what they want and the money will sort its self out. Cat has no reasons to call out anyone if they're giving them inferior products to test with. Get a clue and let's go cat
I could see skidoo guys crying but not cat guys come on lol
Pfffft new gauge doesn’t even have a back-up camera!
some people upset, haha yea the diehards that think cat is just the best. So rarely you get sleds that arent setup but you have cat throwing this sled together and giving it to you and when it sucks backstepping. Same shitty handlebars and setup, unreliable adapt primary, and a monorail that nobody wants. Cat is so far behind the ball I don't think this 858 is gonna save the brand. Back of the pack like usual. Can't wait for the diehard cat guys to eat their words when the 858 is released and cat has all kinds of issues with it.
Pricing not reasonable… they have priced it pretty much the same as a new Polaris turbo that will eat it
Polairs turbo would be like 8k more
is that all u can do is bowties over n over again lets see it out climb the other brands....
So how much did Cat pay you clows to give this thingg a good recview? And why didn't Cat send out a more refined slwd out to begin with? Shows me that Cat will always be in 2rd place and that Aloha rail is just junk......always will be ans always has been.
Does it really say “Etek” next to 858? Does everyone copy skidoo? Uh huh…
It says ctec2 @@fairbanksairriders
@@fairbanksairridersArctic Cat has been using ctec since 2000, or 2001 when they released the 660 4 stroke
@@ACatKrom- okay thank you. I don’t dislike cats never yet ridden one.
Its always wannabes who think they are good riders, that hate alpha rail 😂
When they fail, they blame the machine 😂😂😂
Cat was years behind keeping the 800 for so long thought maybe a 900 instead of 858 hummm
Why they keep the gage wow way out dated
What do you mean AC just received them and couldn't do any adjustments before the media event? Very odd.. This is AC presenting THEIR PRODUCTS to the media for reviews. We're they made in another country and dropped off in a crate? You would think AC ambassadors would be out testing these, dialing them in to present a worthy product. Sounds more like rushing products to market b4 they are ready and tested. Here we go again 🙄.
You literally have nothing good to say unless it's praising BRP products. You're the biggest fuckin fan boi I've ever seen.
@@208SledHead 😆 🤣 😂 😹 too funny. I and others have wasted a lot 💰 on sales pitches. Sleds are way too expensive to suckered again. They all have their issues IMO.I just prefer dealing with ones that give me less headaches.
It’s a new engine and chasis. It takes time to get dialed in. And the super late winter did not help.
You talk out both sides of your mouth when I call you out on your bullshit. I've never ONCE seen you make a derogatory comment about a BRP product. But when it comes to anyone else - mostly Polaris - you can't keep your mouth shut. @@bigchaloopa
@@208SledHead uncle dumpster 🔥. IMO, I call is as I see 👀 it. Manufacturers rush to market with untested innovation. Poo has been leading the charge. You are a cry baby because someone hurt your feelings about your sled and your beliefs that it's the greatest thing since slice bread 🍞. Poo needs to fix their shit and I'll buy one. Everyone on M. Freerider sees your comments and states how nuts you are.