It's a BS test using low end and low end AMD and PCIe 3.0 x8. It's crying about nothing. Only reason this BS is going on because people don't understand the differences on architecture and none of these AMD channels is willing to clear it up. Instead it has become clickbait seeking parroting the BS.
I'm guessing this was on dx11.1. can you test on vulkan? We know that Intel graphics cards used dxvk after launch on the a770? to take care of similar issues at launch... Vulkan in SC has its own problems but I wanted to see if the situation is equal or worse than other vendors
Yeah good question- I wish the 7600X3D was available in the UK! I personally would want the extra cores of the 7800X3D for the future (and I guess possibly in this case). I'm probably due to do some more core count testing for SC, so I'll add it to the list.
U, let's see !!!! I was hoping you'll get your hands on one and test it. After video: Interesting. Seems like Intel still needs a lot of optimization on the software side. However a new idea: compare the B580, 3060 and 6600XT in a FPS/price chart? I mean... Radeon 6600 + Ryzen 7800X3D, 1080p => Max 42.2 FPS and on Amazon it is listed for 205 GBP ( I know it is not 5800X3D, but you've tested this card once only and with that CPU :-D ) RTX 3060 + Ryzen 5800X3D , 1080p => Max 38 FPS and on Amazon it is listed for 255 GBP Intel B580 + Ryzen 5800X3D, 1080p => Max 35 FPS and on Amazon it is listed for 318 GBP This means the FPS/GBP race is won my AMD and the Radeon 6600 (tho I recommend a 6650XT for almost the exact same price, but you've not tested that one yet) - AMD: 4,8 GBP / frame - NVidia: 6,7 GBP / frame - Intel: 8,3 GBP / frame Either I've done something wrong here or the Intel card is way more overpriced than the others. And I've not even considered you can try to make a bargain on ebay for used card as well, so..... AMD Wins? I guess?
I have build a system half a year ago for a 16 year old to play games and do some work. Ryzen 5600 and the 6650 XT paired with 32 gb RAM. The game was pretty stable to my suprise. The system runs with less spikes in 1080p then my system with the 5800X3D , 64 gb RAM and the 7900XTX in 4k. Reducing the game to 1080p will actually do nothing frame wise because the CPU is to slow. The GPU will clock down when the 5800X3D workload is over 65%. Upscaling will even load more on the CPU so the game will run worse with worse image quality. This game surprises me on so many levels. Almost double FPS on DX compared to Vulcan but Vulcan runs way smoother for my system. Vulkan is something we should consider for the performance charts. FPS maybe lower for some systems but also the frame drops are also not that hard.
Yeah. 😮 Bummer. Star Citizen isn't really good for any low end systems 😢 it's not perfect for high end systems 😕 but every other game runs like butter 😊
assuming your not at 1080p then no a 5800x3d shouldnt be bottlenecking a 3090, ive got a 4080 with a 5800x3d and only see bottlenecks in to be frank (poorly optimized games) like stalker and star citizen. dont use SC as a metric for a "bad system" unless its the ONLY game you play
I have a 7900x CPU and a 7900xt dual stick 48 gb (96gb) ram at 5000htz a proArt 850b what should I tune my ram? is it a good system to stream or record? thank you for all your support
I don't get the hype around Intel B580, like it's a saviour or something, the other youtubers praise it too much for being the best LOWEST tier gpu, so what? it's slightly above a 4060 just slightly...
12400 $100, 12600 $130. PCIe 3.0 won't work. Minimum is 10th gen on PCIe 4.0 and 11th gen that enables INTEL DTT that is needed to run APO. You would have to run higher tier 10th and 11th gen to have decent performance. That said in my opinion anything less than 12th gen is waste of money. AMD you shouldn't even try as the mid tier won't work. As pointed INTEL ARC needs REBAR/E Cores and more from the CPU. These are not optimized on AMD CPU because AMD/Nvidia GPU's won't need it. INTEL ARC is build for INTEL CPU's. 12th, 13th, 14th and Arrow Lake. PCIe 4.0 x8 eliminates PCIe 3.0. There just isn't enough bandwidth on PCIe 3.0 x8 as it also would be cut half from x16. I'm not sure why all this clickbait when INTEL showed the card with i9-14900 and everyone knows better the CPU better the ARC performs. I'm running i7-13700k with A770 and i5-12600 with B580. Both are pretty good and I'm running 4k/1440p/3x1080p.
Thanks for being only the 3rd channel to ever care about this. Only Hardware Canucks and Hardware Unboxed tested it so far.
Yeah I'm surprised more haven't looked into it yet!
It's a BS test using low end and low end AMD and PCIe 3.0 x8. It's crying about nothing. Only reason this BS is going on because people don't understand the differences on architecture and none of these AMD channels is willing to clear it up. Instead it has become clickbait seeking parroting the BS.
Excellent work. I'd hoped for more with Battlemage.
Yep it's a bit of a shame really!
It's still better than their previous Gen. Hopefully, a driver update will fix it.
using SC as a game to test technology is crazy, but testing technology in SC to see how the game handles is understandable
Yep! Not a good idea to use SC as a baseline, but interesting to see how things perform in SC!
I'm guessing this was on dx11.1. can you test on vulkan? We know that Intel graphics cards used dxvk after launch on the a770? to take care of similar issues at launch...
Vulkan in SC has its own problems but I wanted to see if the situation is equal or worse than other vendors
Unfortunately I couldn't get vulkan working at all with the b580!
I wonder what is the GPU utilization for both cards, this would be a good clue to see if Intel has some head room left with some drivers support
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The real question is... is the 7600X3D good enough of a CPU for B580? 'cause that's the only CPU that completely makes sense with B580 price-wise
Yeah good question- I wish the 7600X3D was available in the UK! I personally would want the extra cores of the 7800X3D for the future (and I guess possibly in this case). I'm probably due to do some more core count testing for SC, so I'll add it to the list.
Nope. Try i5-12600k $130. ARC won't work well on AMD.
Why don't you test the Intel GPU with an Intel CPU?
he did, 3rd test
11400 is not made by Intel? 😳😱
U, let's see !!!! I was hoping you'll get your hands on one and test it.
After video: Interesting. Seems like Intel still needs a lot of optimization on the software side. However a new idea: compare the B580, 3060 and 6600XT in a FPS/price chart? I mean...
Radeon 6600 + Ryzen 7800X3D, 1080p => Max 42.2 FPS and on Amazon it is listed for 205 GBP ( I know it is not 5800X3D, but you've tested this card once only and with that CPU :-D )
RTX 3060 + Ryzen 5800X3D , 1080p => Max 38 FPS and on Amazon it is listed for 255 GBP
Intel B580 + Ryzen 5800X3D, 1080p => Max 35 FPS and on Amazon it is listed for 318 GBP
This means the FPS/GBP race is won my AMD and the Radeon 6600 (tho I recommend a 6650XT for almost the exact same price, but you've not tested that one yet)
- AMD: 4,8 GBP / frame
- NVidia: 6,7 GBP / frame
- Intel: 8,3 GBP / frame
Either I've done something wrong here or the Intel card is way more overpriced than the others. And I've not even considered you can try to make a bargain on ebay for used card as well, so..... AMD Wins? I guess?
I have build a system half a year ago for a 16 year old to play games and do some work.
Ryzen 5600 and the 6650 XT paired with 32 gb RAM. The game was pretty stable to my suprise.
The system runs with less spikes in 1080p then my system with the 5800X3D , 64 gb RAM and the 7900XTX in 4k. Reducing the game to 1080p will actually do nothing frame wise because the CPU is to slow. The GPU will clock down when the 5800X3D workload is over 65%. Upscaling will even load more on the CPU so the game will run worse with worse image quality. This game surprises me on so many levels. Almost double FPS on DX compared to Vulcan but Vulcan runs way smoother for my system.
Vulkan is something we should consider for the performance charts. FPS maybe lower for some systems but also the frame drops are also not that hard.
Yeah. 😮 Bummer. Star Citizen isn't really good for any low end systems 😢 it's not perfect for high end systems 😕 but every other game runs like butter 😊
awesome, as a starcitizen 5800X3d enjoyer this is neat. Learned that my CPU is prob bottlenecking my 3090 ! Thank you!
assuming your not at 1080p then no a 5800x3d shouldnt be bottlenecking a 3090, ive got a 4080 with a 5800x3d and only see bottlenecks in to be frank (poorly optimized games) like stalker and star citizen. dont use SC as a metric for a "bad system" unless its the ONLY game you play
@@123TheCloopI think he was talking specifically about SC. and then every CPU will bottleneck a 3090 anyways
Actually called that driver overhead on day-one. But the comments were slept on.
Nice work.
I have a 7900x CPU and a 7900xt dual stick 48 gb (96gb) ram at 5000htz a proArt 850b what should I tune my ram? is it a good system to stream or record?
thank you for all your support
I'd recommend coming over to the discord- plenty of people who can help with tuning! Should be fine streaming/recording!
I don't get the hype around Intel B580, like it's a saviour or something, the other youtubers praise it too much for being the best LOWEST tier gpu, so what? it's slightly above a 4060 just slightly...
hopium that there's more competition in the gpu market and prices come down
@@mndeg thaat's true but doing that in the lowest tier is not enough, but I get it
10% worse at 1080p and 3% better at 1440p in realistic case scenarios
12400 $100, 12600 $130. PCIe 3.0 won't work. Minimum is 10th gen on PCIe 4.0 and 11th gen that enables INTEL DTT that is needed to run APO. You would have to run higher tier 10th and 11th gen to have decent performance. That said in my opinion anything less than 12th gen is waste of money. AMD you shouldn't even try as the mid tier won't work. As pointed INTEL ARC needs REBAR/E Cores and more from the CPU. These are not optimized on AMD CPU because AMD/Nvidia GPU's won't need it. INTEL ARC is build for INTEL CPU's. 12th, 13th, 14th and Arrow Lake. PCIe 4.0 x8 eliminates PCIe 3.0. There just isn't enough bandwidth on PCIe 3.0 x8 as it also would be cut half from x16.
I'm not sure why all this clickbait when INTEL showed the card with i9-14900 and everyone knows better the CPU better the ARC performs. I'm running i7-13700k with A770 and i5-12600 with B580. Both are pretty good and I'm running 4k/1440p/3x1080p.