My understanding of "Warrior, King, Magician, Lover" is that what you call the Father archetype is found within the King and that it is, and the other three archetypes are, the four pillars of manhood, rather than it, the King, being the fulfillment of the other archetypes. It is good to see another take on the archetypes of manhood and how they all fit together. Thanks for given me something to think about.
So a few points worth considering: When you take the "King" archetype, it ultimately is the picture of a true father figure, the ultimate picture of and culmination of everything a man should be. The magicians archetype is the area of mastery of skill. You could divide this into excellence in the skill itself and success with using that skill to make a secure living to provide. You could also say that it is part of the scale; that mastery of the skill is not to reach the level of magician until one can use that skill to provide for others and that it is this that serves as the gateway to becoming the king/father figure. The lover archetype is similar in that being a romantic is only half of the picture. Sam in The Lord of the Rings was not a warrior or a magician but he was the ultimate picture of the lover even though there was nothing "romantic" about his love for his friend. The gateway for becoming more "kingly" for the lover is to be able to demonstrate that love and dedication throughout the journey even when things seem impossible but to do so gracefully and with wisdom. The warrior must, likewise, not just simply charge forward for a cause larger than himself. It is through his through learning restraint and discretion that he gains wisdom which is the key to being more than a warrior but a king. A warrior knows how to fight and how to be bold but a king understands when and how to fight because he adds a magician's mastery and a lovers dedication to the warrior's ambition. In short, a man must have skill and knowledge at what he does, dedication and passion for what is important to him, and the ambition and boldness to move it forward.
Amazing breakdown, it's very useful to see how all roads lead to the King. I never thought of Sam as the Lover but you're absolutely right! He's also a gardener and ends up being Mayor of the Shire.
I've been interested in masculine archetypes ever since becoming a Dad. Also, watching your video on Gladiator has helped a great deal. Thank you for that video. Perhaps the part that spoke to me the most was the humility and devotion Maximus elicits to a higher power. And through this, I have come to the realization that those most worthy of emulation already exist within the Bible. For me in particular, St. Joseph the patriarch of the Holy Family. Arguably, there is no greater example of fatherhood and distilled masculine virtue, than the man deemed worthy of raising God's only begotten Son. I understand for some this is a bitter pill to swallow. And that's ok. But know this, humility is deemed the number one virtue, and it is this virtue that strikes through all examples of the manly archetypes. A great book I recommend is 'Humility of Heart' by Fr. Cajetan Mary da Bergamo (currently in the process of being Canonized). I have over the years found consistent trends in my mental patterns, negative thinking, recurring problems. Problems I have sort long and hard to find a solution. The only means I have found peace, is through removing sin in my life. By offering my good work to God, and learning about the epitome of virtuous conduct i.e. the lives of the saints. If you want to see a true shift in your life, offer it up to something greater than yourself and trust in Divine providence. Stop sinning, stop jacking it, stop doing stuff you know you shouldn't, and if you can't, ask that higher power for the Grace to overcome it. I promise you, you'll come to see the world through different eyes. Thank you for reading.
Good points. I like the vision of humility where one has the capacity for dominance and monstrosity, but then one controls it in the service of a higher ideal as you point out. "You have to be a man before you can be a gentleman."
movies listed: Gladiator Lord of the rings Braveheart Lincoln (not mentioned but just watch it) Only the Brave Mission Impossible Star Wars Life is Beautiful It's a Wonderful Life Remember the Titans Blade Runner 2049 Gene Kelly (any of his movies) La La Land Wall-e
The most useful thing to remember is that these archetypes are patterns of thought and behaviour seen throughout time. They are energies within all of us. The only way we can attain these balanced archetypes (king, warrior, magician, lover), we must become conscious of their shadows. Their dark sides when we are not conscious of what's going on within us.
Your work is very beautiful, thank you for sharing such intimate thoughts. On minute 6:262 you state that Maximus was set to be the next emperor. I understood it differently. I understood Aurelius was to name Maximus the protector of Rome, that he was to empower the senate, and that Rome was to be a Republic again. Thanks again for sharing, hope to see more from you again.
That's a great video man. I really like your channel. I just think you left out an important piece of the wizard archetype. In my opinion equating it with a specialised knowledge is a huge simplification. To me it's about the innovative spirit, ability to see new possibilities in life and one's potential. The figure of a great scientist or an inventor comes into mind. Often a specialised knowledge in some area is a great tool to achieve that, but it may also be an ability to improvise, come up with completely new solutions to existing problems, or a kind of "street smart". Anyway, subscribed and keep up the good work man, Im waiting for a new video.
Leaders and Followers come to mind when thinking of other archetypes. There's the saying "you cannot be a good leader if you aren't a good follower". Leading is one of the biggest and arguably most important parts in being a man. Other examples of the father archetype could include Obi Wan Kenobi, and his relationship with Anakin in the Prequel Trilogy of Star Wars.
That's a good thought on the leader/follower archetype because that definitely is a pattern you see repeated time and time again in stories. That also brings to mind the common trope of the leader with his faithful lieutenant like you see with Don Quixote/Sancho Panza, Frodo/Sam. I agree that being a leader is a core part of being a man, because there's fundamental ways every man can lead, such as in his own family. But you've got me thinking about the follower as well, and what should be said about the follower. The reality of the world is that many men are not capable of leading in many situations, and you can't have everyone be a leader all the time, because that would lead to chaos. The military is a great example of that. Even though it's not something many of us aspire to, there's something to be said about the virtue of being a follower when it's time to be a follower, but not letting that lead to just being a sheep either.
@@ThomasGaryNuila I couldn't have said this better myself. I am currently enlisted so I hear about leadership all the time. Another good idea for a video would be going over the leadership principles and warrior ethos of each military branch, maybe some foriegn branches and historical ones (like the Roman Legions) as well.
I find the way you’re interpreting the archetypes, in a very objective sense (a technology, a tool). I started like that too, since I am a very practical person. It wasn’t until I start adding misticism (in a sense that there are many unknowns, and many unkowables) that the tool become something of a spiritual tool, and fulfilled my life much more. Just a thought. Thanks for your work, and sorry for all my typos, english is not my first language. Cheers.
Great video man. Really resonated with me! Gladiator is definitely my favorite movie and Maximus is my version of the ideal Man/King. Keep the content coming.
The only note that needs to be made as I am currently reading king warrior magician lover is that .. the immature version of the king is actual the divine child. The one with all the potential to become king. The one destined for greatness . The immature version of the Warrior is in fact the hero where he makes his action about him and his coming of age adventure . The warrior fights the good fight and is more motivated by transpersonal motives. Somewhat altruistic and for the good of the people and the laws and order put in place by the King archetype. Loved the words you used though.
You come from a very good family and you are very insightful and are displaying that...even beyond your personal accomplishments. In other words, you live the example you promote...and what better way to do it. Please tell me you have kids
Perhaps a better word for the wizard archetype would be the sage (wise through reflection and experience). I feel it fits so much better. Though I do see where you get your word.
By the way if you look at the Iliad and the Odyssey, the character of Odysseus is the embodiment of the warrior archetype and the wizard archetypte as you define it. He is a fighter but not reckless like Achiles. Odysseus is a strategist and a thinker.
Ughhh "the lover" is hands down the most important archetype. It is "connection", not to a single person but to ALL. Seeing your soul reflected in all other, it's the core of the king and transcends past it.
They are sons who once lost their father, not only in the flesh, but most important, in spirit. Their father tried to build or preserve useful things for the posterity, and all of them tried but failed. The sons are trying to revive their spirits by encarnating them in themselves. "Honor your father and your mother, so that you might live long in the land the lord your god is giving you."
I don't agree at all that warriors put too much emphasis on the warrior archetype and overlook the lover (I perceive this as a much broader concept here) archetype. Take Col. Frank Slade (ret.) from the movie 'Scent of a Woman'. He is a lover, a father, a true warrior and shows all the qualities of a king. My own father is the same and he too is a retired army colonel. That Frank Slade character was spot on! Warriors suppress the lover within them, which makes the Lover their shadow archetype, strengthening it the longer they have to suppress it. Soldiers fight; true, but most of the soldiers I knew also love to mingle with the local people, help them out in times of need and take special pride in being the 'protectors' of the people. Not mindless machines of destruction. I served myself, and I know the mindset of a warrior all too well, although I deem myself to be an intellectual first. There were times I would literally give an arm and a leg for a good, righteous fight. Yet the reason for my service was to gain the traits of a warrior, knowing that I would put that experience into good use for the rest of my life, and for the benefit of those who would need me. That's the king for you and it is present in most men, if not all. A man who puts too much emphasis on one aspect of manhood is a rarity. An Isis terrorist would be a much better example for that rather than a Navy Seal. That's an extreme which is by definition, a rarity.
Excellent video, so interesting that I'm taking notes but it's "William Wallace" his name is William Wallace, not Breaveheart, just thought I though that in there...
I think that would fit within that category. One thing I've noticed about these kinds of archetypal categories over the years is that they're not real precise, and you can come up with additional categories as well. They're a little more like rough approximations that help to convey a greater picture.
Did you watch Titanic? It would be brilliant to do an analysis on that movie. Especially if you analyzed the characters of Jack Dawson and Cal Hockley. It is an interesting take on the archtype of the romantic as personified by Jack and the shadow archtype as personified by Cal.
Titanic. Boy that brings back memories. I was sixteen when that came out and I think I held a girls hand for the first time during that movie. Makes me laugh thinking about it. Good idea though. I think that would be a good comparison. I'll give it some consideration.
i like how you changed the lover archetype to the romantic one. I couldnt quite find the lover's archetypes energy and understand the archetype fully but i think just this small change in word makes it clearer. Thank you.
Each of us shifts from one archetype or another at different times in our life, and in different situations. We are the scholar, the sage, the warrior, the cleric, etc. wherever we are needed.
I think Ragnar Lothbrook from Vikings is also a great, very masculine example of the King archetype! And I find his bisexuality and biromanticism a great addition to his character to illustrate that being bi or gay doesn't have to "lessen" or "weaken" a man's masculinity in the slightest.
The father archetype is redundant tho. The father falls under, primarily, the king, and also borrows from the Warrior and the Wizard archetypes. And even the Lover, in the sense that he is motivated by his family. Its not sexual love, but its still love.
I agree in the sense that these categories don’t really exist, which is why their boundaries could be debated for ever. Instead I see them as useful tools to understand aspects of a greater whole.
imo, the name change makes for a better generalization of the idea. When we hear 'magician', we mostly think of the outward effect of the magic being cast, not so much about the intellect behind the magic. Re-labeling it as "wizard" emphasizes the intellectualism of the archetype, on account of the word being rooted in "wise". The word "lover" also applies here. That word places too much emphasis on being attracted to another person. "Romantic" generalizes the idea further into someone who revels in the idea of Romanticism. Remember that Romanticism is not always about love and attraction.
god as a father. religion is inherently familial. That's what ancestor worship is about. Worshipping archetypes. We humankind worship different forms because there are many attributes that need single focus and the need to sacrifice others for the pursuit of this awakening not for it benefits us but because you see that there are rules and you respect the rules and accept consequences. You see how the situation works and you obey it. Discipline it and leave the rest and not get in the way. mythical attributes are practical and deeply embedded in our psyche that you cannot help but speak of it and make use of it. Esoteric practices are eternal as well as malleable given the situation but the core remains the same and that makes it accesible. It's like cloud service. I don't know how to say it better. The archetypes are inherently mystical that It's so practical too see it in consumer videogames like mmorpg,moba ,tabletop games, movies that we never grew out of this.
I always firt thing: Oh, I will conter a few points and make a point. Butn on the second thought I also always come to the conclusion that people who need to read books to become a "Manly Men!" or something like that, are simply so deeply insecure that it wouldn't be interessting in argueing with them about Rolemodels'n'Stuff. Buuut ... You do know that the Film Version of Aragorn is a little bit "cuted", Tolkien was inspired by old nordics Myths and Aragorn was deeply troubled? + Vikings didn't differ much between Womans and Mens like we do nowadays. If you were strong enough, you could do whatever you want. o.ô'
Men who want to become better men are not "deeply insecure", they're humble enough to admit that they're not all that they could be. So youre wrong there. Aragorn was deeply troubled, but eventually found himself and became King. Thats the point of his story and fits in with what i previously wrote. People must ultimately find themselves and strive to become King of their lives. That isnt possible with your attitude... Weak, insecure men who think they've got it all figured out, too scared to look inward and admit any flaws. Men who remain boys. And yes, the Viking women did differ from the men. Woman are naturally smaller, weaker, less dense bones, slower, slower reaction times. and the list goes on. You can deny Biology if you want. But what does that have to do with being a man? Youre the one focusing on "strength" in terms of manhood. This video mentioned much more then strength my friend. Oh and women can do what ever they want in todays society as well mate, Look at athletics, look at the military. Women do what men do all over the place, but maybe you chose to ignore that.
@@CB-dl1vg First of all, naaah. You got Tolkien wrong. You forgot that even Womans fought in Lord of the Rings and by the way only a Woman could defeat the Witch King. It wasn't a matter of "Gender" - It was a matter of "Do things you've to do." like on the Fronts of the first and second World War. Do things you've to do. That's the simply Key in nearly everything - Do things when you've to do it: You've to speak before a big audience? Do it without fear or hesitation. You've to make a point? Do it without fear or hesitation. The difficult thing is only to know *when* you've to do things. Secondly nooo. Your great "BONES AND MUSCELS!"-Stuff is ... Well, it displays your insecurity nothing more. One of the most real Viking Leaders was by the way Woman, they led her Troops into Battle ;) So yeah, if you were strong enough (And Raiding isn't all about body strengths, because you need also the mentality and also the wits to do it successfully) you could go. We talk about a more naturalistic Society. Even if you weren't away raiding others, you've to keep your House / Stuff in order and in consideration that the most Households had also a few Slaves you should be able to count one and one together and to accept the simply fact that "Viking-Womans" would probaly be "more manly" than most of the "Mens" which buy and read Books about "Manly Behaviour" ;D PS: Your "Argumentum ad hominem" didn't worked, sorry. If you would wanna improve yourself, you would read stuff targeted at "Becoming a better Human" like Nietzsche's Antichrist, Thus Spoke Zarathustra or the Gorin no Sho from Musashi (Personal favorits). Maybe also Clausewitz's "Vom Kriege" oder the Sun Tzu if you wanna have a more tactical approach. But if you really have to figure out how you could become the "King of your own life" - Well, things like that should be already be clear for you. Because, you're simply the King of your own fucking life, or aren't you already mature enough? o.O I mean, hell - You're a grown as Human being. Don't be a fucking sheep which follows simply consumerism - You'll only end in a empty road filled buy the stuff you bought yesterday =o
@@CB-dl1vgWell, and I assume you're a troll or really bad educated. o.ô' Nietzsche -> The dude which brought us the Theory about "Übermenschen". Musashi -> Literally one of the fucking greatest fuckin' Samurai who ever lived. ... But I also drink Whisky because of the Taste (But not these US "Whisky" which is only good to put him into Cola ...), eat a lot of meat, ride a old Motorcycle which I put together by myself in my own Garage, did always what *I* wanted to do, work parttime as a Security, study Physics on a secondary way of education (I did first a regularly apprenticeship and worked a few years in a bigger Company and earned promotions), I was earlier in my Life quiet heavy in Material Arts, play E-Bass in a Metal Band ... And I just list this stuff because the thought about your face while reading this is marvelous in my head right now :D But my point is: "Masculinty" 'n'Stuff like that is something from my point of view isn't bound towards your genitals.
@@CB-dl1vg Oh and I had a very long bear the last half year :o But for the summer I've shaved him because I was too much of a cheap ass to buy a fucking Beard Oil again.
There’s feminine versions of each of these archetypes-mother, queen, etc. Also, each of us, women and men alike, have both the masculine and feminine in us, but the masculine and feminine aren’t the same thing.
Also important to recgonize that there is a negative (not immature) form of the King archetype. The Tyrant.
Ever since I discovered Jordan B Peterson I've delved deep into the Archetypes of Manhood, fascinating stuff
Keep up the good work, brother!
Same here however I've yet to talk about it with anyone. Would be cool to see how your implementing it if you want to speak online?
My understanding of "Warrior, King, Magician, Lover" is that what you call the Father archetype is found within the King and that it is, and the other three archetypes are, the four pillars of manhood, rather than it, the King, being the fulfillment of the other archetypes. It is good to see another take on the archetypes of manhood and how they all fit together. Thanks for given me something to think about.
Great comment man, cheers
I thought the same thing . I am reading the actual book right now .. great way to step into manhood
My thought exactly. The word at the top of the pyramid should be a complete MAN, with the king replacing the father at the base.
A father rules (King)
A father protects (Warrior)
A father guides (Magician)
A father loves (Lover)
So a few points worth considering:
When you take the "King" archetype, it ultimately is the picture of a true father figure, the ultimate picture of and culmination of everything a man should be.
The magicians archetype is the area of mastery of skill. You could divide this into excellence in the skill itself and success with using that skill to make a secure living to provide. You could also say that it is part of the scale; that mastery of the skill is not to reach the level of magician until one can use that skill to provide for others and that it is this that serves as the gateway to becoming the king/father figure.
The lover archetype is similar in that being a romantic is only half of the picture. Sam in The Lord of the Rings was not a warrior or a magician but he was the ultimate picture of the lover even though there was nothing "romantic" about his love for his friend. The gateway for becoming more "kingly" for the lover is to be able to demonstrate that love and dedication throughout the journey even when things seem impossible but to do so gracefully and with wisdom.
The warrior must, likewise, not just simply charge forward for a cause larger than himself. It is through his through learning restraint and discretion that he gains wisdom which is the key to being more than a warrior but a king. A warrior knows how to fight and how to be bold but a king understands when and how to fight because he adds a magician's mastery and a lovers dedication to the warrior's ambition.
In short, a man must have skill and knowledge at what he does, dedication and passion for what is important to him, and the ambition and boldness to move it forward.
When added all together, it makes a man. When also applied to relationships, it makes not just a king but a father - which is greater than a king.
Amazing breakdown, it's very useful to see how all roads lead to the King. I never thought of Sam as the Lover but you're absolutely right! He's also a gardener and ends up being Mayor of the Shire.
Great insights.
I've been interested in masculine archetypes ever since becoming a Dad. Also, watching your video on Gladiator has helped a great deal. Thank you for that video.
Perhaps the part that spoke to me the most was the humility and devotion Maximus elicits to a higher power. And through this, I have come to the realization that those most worthy of emulation already exist within the Bible. For me in particular, St. Joseph the patriarch of the Holy Family. Arguably, there is no greater example of fatherhood and distilled masculine virtue, than the man deemed worthy of raising God's only begotten Son.
I understand for some this is a bitter pill to swallow. And that's ok. But know this, humility is deemed the number one virtue, and it is this virtue that strikes through all examples of the manly archetypes. A great book I recommend is 'Humility of Heart' by Fr. Cajetan Mary da Bergamo (currently in the process of being Canonized).
I have over the years found consistent trends in my mental patterns, negative thinking, recurring problems. Problems I have sort long and hard to find a solution. The only means I have found peace, is through removing sin in my life. By offering my good work to God, and learning about the epitome of virtuous conduct i.e. the lives of the saints. If you want to see a true shift in your life, offer it up to something greater than yourself and trust in Divine providence. Stop sinning, stop jacking it, stop doing stuff you know you shouldn't, and if you can't, ask that higher power for the Grace to overcome it. I promise you, you'll come to see the world through different eyes.
Thank you for reading.
Good points. I like the vision of humility where one has the capacity for dominance and monstrosity, but then one controls it in the service of a higher ideal as you point out. "You have to be a man before you can be a gentleman."
movies listed:
Gladiator
Lord of the rings
Braveheart
Lincoln (not mentioned but just watch it)
Only the Brave
Mission Impossible
Star Wars
Life is Beautiful
It's a Wonderful Life
Remember the Titans
Blade Runner 2049
Gene Kelly (any of his movies)
La La Land
Wall-e
Terminator*
The most useful thing to remember is that these archetypes are patterns of thought and behaviour seen throughout time. They are energies within all of us. The only way we can attain these balanced archetypes (king, warrior, magician, lover), we must become conscious of their shadows. Their dark sides when we are not conscious of what's going on within us.
Good thoughts. Thanks for the comment.
Very intelligent brother
Your work is very beautiful, thank you for sharing such intimate thoughts. On minute 6:262 you state that Maximus was set to be the next emperor. I understood it differently. I understood Aurelius was to name Maximus the protector of Rome, that he was to empower the senate, and that Rome was to be a Republic again. Thanks again for sharing, hope to see more from you again.
This channel is so underrated. Love it´s content. Keep with the excelent work you do gary!
A wonderful talk. Thank you!
Master & Commander is a good one as well.
That's a great video man. I really like your channel. I just think you left out an important piece of the wizard archetype. In my opinion equating it with a specialised knowledge is a huge simplification. To me it's about the innovative spirit, ability to see new possibilities in life and one's potential. The figure of a great scientist or an inventor comes into mind. Often a specialised knowledge in some area is a great tool to achieve that, but it may also be an ability to improvise, come up with completely new solutions to existing problems, or a kind of "street smart". Anyway, subscribed and keep up the good work man, Im waiting for a new video.
Or the going out into new territory to find the new knowledge to share/benefit the tribe.
Leaders and Followers come to mind when thinking of other archetypes. There's the saying "you cannot be a good leader if you aren't a good follower". Leading is one of the biggest and arguably most important parts in being a man. Other examples of the father archetype could include Obi Wan Kenobi, and his relationship with Anakin in the Prequel Trilogy of Star Wars.
That's a good thought on the leader/follower archetype because that definitely is a pattern you see repeated time and time again in stories. That also brings to mind the common trope of the leader with his faithful lieutenant like you see with Don Quixote/Sancho Panza, Frodo/Sam. I agree that being a leader is a core part of being a man, because there's fundamental ways every man can lead, such as in his own family. But you've got me thinking about the follower as well, and what should be said about the follower. The reality of the world is that many men are not capable of leading in many situations, and you can't have everyone be a leader all the time, because that would lead to chaos. The military is a great example of that. Even though it's not something many of us aspire to, there's something to be said about the virtue of being a follower when it's time to be a follower, but not letting that lead to just being a sheep either.
@@ThomasGaryNuila I couldn't have said this better myself. I am currently enlisted so I hear about leadership all the time. Another good idea for a video would be going over the leadership principles and warrior ethos of each military branch, maybe some foriegn branches and historical ones (like the Roman Legions) as well.
I find the way you’re interpreting the archetypes, in a very objective sense (a technology, a tool). I started like that too, since I am a very practical person. It wasn’t until I start adding misticism (in a sense that there are many unknowns, and many unkowables) that the tool become something of a spiritual tool, and fulfilled my life much more. Just a thought. Thanks for your work, and sorry for all my typos, english is not my first language. Cheers.
Great video man. Really resonated with me! Gladiator is definitely my favorite movie and Maximus is my version of the ideal Man/King. Keep the content coming.
Truly one of the best youtube channels out there! Thanks for this great input!
The only note that needs to be made as I am currently reading king warrior magician lover is that .. the immature version of the king is actual the divine child. The one with all the potential to become king. The one destined for greatness . The immature version of the Warrior is in fact the hero where he makes his action about him and his coming of age adventure . The warrior fights the good fight and is more motivated by transpersonal motives. Somewhat altruistic and for the good of the people and the laws and order put in place by the King archetype. Loved the words you used though.
thanks
Are there immature versions of the Magician and the Lover as well?
Also, should I just get the book lol
Braveheart from the movie Braveheart lool. His name is William Wallace
You come from a very good family and you are very insightful and are displaying that...even beyond your personal accomplishments. In other words, you live the example you promote...and what better way to do it. Please tell me you have kids
Underrated channel
Him : Shows a lot of deep, dramatical characters full of emotions
Me : "Ok, interesting."
Him : Shows Wall-E
Me : Immediately teared up
Perhaps a better word for the wizard archetype would be the sage (wise through reflection and experience). I feel it fits so much better. Though I do see where you get your word.
By the way if you look at the Iliad and the Odyssey, the character of Odysseus is the embodiment of the warrior archetype and the wizard archetypte as you define it. He is a fighter but not reckless like Achiles. Odysseus is a strategist and a thinker.
It’s hard to downgrade Warrior from its position of preeminence because Warrior status, once earned, is universally respected.
Thank you for the dedication you have put in producing this video
Ughhh "the lover" is hands down the most important archetype. It is "connection", not to a single person but to ALL. Seeing your soul reflected in all other, it's the core of the king and transcends past it.
They are sons who once lost their father, not only in the flesh, but most important, in spirit. Their father tried to build or preserve useful things for the posterity, and all of them tried but failed. The sons are trying to revive their spirits by encarnating them in themselves. "Honor your father and your mother, so that you might live long in the land the lord your god is giving you."
You forgot about “the” warrior Leonidas the spartan, such a badass
I would feel he was a kingly character
Great video. Nicely done
Tell it like it is brother! Cause you do. Great, clear insights! I see it the same way! 😊👍🏻
Glad you enjoyed it. I need to get back into making this kind of content. It's been a long time.
I very much enjoy your videos! Will you also do a feminine archetypes video?
This was really informative
Glad it was of value.
Great video with interesting insights. Thank you
Underrated video
I don't agree at all that warriors put too much emphasis on the warrior archetype and overlook the lover (I perceive this as a much broader concept here) archetype. Take Col. Frank Slade (ret.) from the movie 'Scent of a Woman'. He is a lover, a father, a true warrior and shows all the qualities of a king. My own father is the same and he too is a retired army colonel. That Frank Slade character was spot on! Warriors suppress the lover within them, which makes the Lover their shadow archetype, strengthening it the longer they have to suppress it. Soldiers fight; true, but most of the soldiers I knew also love to mingle with the local people, help them out in times of need and take special pride in being the 'protectors' of the people. Not mindless machines of destruction. I served myself, and I know the mindset of a warrior all too well, although I deem myself to be an intellectual first. There were times I would literally give an arm and a leg for a good, righteous fight. Yet the reason for my service was to gain the traits of a warrior, knowing that I would put that experience into good use for the rest of my life, and for the benefit of those who would need me. That's the king for you and it is present in most men, if not all. A man who puts too much emphasis on one aspect of manhood is a rarity. An Isis terrorist would be a much better example for that rather than a Navy Seal. That's an extreme which is by definition, a rarity.
Possibilities.. are endless
Thanks for the video mate. Cheers for putting yourself out there!
Why did you stop posting Gary? The content is very good
Great Channel very importand stuff🙏
Before you mentioned Washington I was thinking about 'The Tyranny of King Washington' from Assassin's Creed III.
Excellent video, so interesting that I'm taking notes but it's "William Wallace" his name is William Wallace, not Breaveheart, just thought I though that in there...
Life is beautiful!
Great explanation !!
I’ve also recently become a big fan of Jordan B Peterson.👍
Very good Gary
I really appreciate this video Brother, thank you
very interesting video
@2:44 = (in your best Scottish accent pls)* William Wallace
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I'll work on that! In the meantime I've been thinking about doing a Braveheart video essay. Hopefully in the near future.
I thought the Wizard/Sage was the pathfinder, who goes out and gets the knowledge that he brings back to share with others.
I think that would fit within that category. One thing I've noticed about these kinds of archetypal categories over the years is that they're not real precise, and you can come up with additional categories as well. They're a little more like rough approximations that help to convey a greater picture.
@@ThomasGaryNuila as you may have guessed, I strongly identify with the pathfinder aspect :)
Damn this channel is awesome. How long has it been around?
Did you watch Titanic? It would be brilliant to do an analysis on that movie. Especially if you analyzed the characters of Jack Dawson and Cal Hockley. It is an interesting take on the archtype of the romantic as personified by Jack and the shadow archtype as personified by Cal.
Titanic. Boy that brings back memories. I was sixteen when that came out and I think I held a girls hand for the first time during that movie. Makes me laugh thinking about it. Good idea though. I think that would be a good comparison. I'll give it some consideration.
I need to watch La La Land, I'm lacking in the romance department.
you gotta get to know extremes of opposing forces to understand where the balance point is, tho
Good point.
More vids please
"The father" is just an old king
i like how you changed the lover archetype to the romantic one. I couldnt quite find the lover's archetypes energy and understand the archetype fully but i think just this small change in word makes it clearer. Thank you.
Each of us shifts from one archetype or another at different times in our life, and in different situations.
We are the scholar, the sage, the warrior, the cleric, etc. wherever we are needed.
Yes, well said.
I think Ragnar Lothbrook from Vikings is also a great, very masculine example of the King archetype! And I find his bisexuality and biromanticism a great addition to his character to illustrate that being bi or gay doesn't have to "lessen" or "weaken" a man's masculinity in the slightest.
Sexuality definitely shouldn't define someone completely in the way that the modern world has treated it.
Meanwhile, I’m watching this in bed, wrapped up in my blanket.
I think we've all had those kind of moments on youtube.
Braveheart from the movie Braveheart
Good strong Scottish name that
The father archetype is redundant tho. The father falls under, primarily, the king, and also borrows from the Warrior and the Wizard archetypes. And even the Lover, in the sense that he is motivated by his family. Its not sexual love, but its still love.
I agree in the sense that these categories don’t really exist, which is why their boundaries could be debated for ever. Instead I see them as useful tools to understand aspects of a greater whole.
On warrior, a good man should be capable of protecting his family/people, violently if necessary.
agreed
Magician is same as Wizard
Romantic is same as lover
No need to change names
imo, the name change makes for a better generalization of the idea.
When we hear 'magician', we mostly think of the outward effect of the magic being cast, not so much about the intellect behind the magic. Re-labeling it as "wizard" emphasizes the intellectualism of the archetype, on account of the word being rooted in "wise".
The word "lover" also applies here. That word places too much emphasis on being attracted to another person. "Romantic" generalizes the idea further into someone who revels in the idea of Romanticism. Remember that Romanticism is not always about love and attraction.
@@Goodmanperson55 yeah, you're right.
Born of Osiris album cover 😉
his name isnt braveheart... its William Wallace
True. Good point.
god as a father. religion is inherently familial. That's what ancestor worship is about. Worshipping archetypes. We humankind worship different forms because there are many attributes that need single focus and the need to sacrifice others for the pursuit of this awakening not for it benefits us but because you see that there are rules and you respect the rules and accept consequences. You see how the situation works and you obey it. Discipline it and leave the rest and not get in the way.
mythical attributes are practical and deeply embedded in our psyche that you cannot help but speak of it and make use of it. Esoteric practices are eternal as well as malleable given the situation but the core remains the same and that makes it accesible. It's like cloud service. I don't know how to say it better. The archetypes are inherently mystical that It's so practical too see it in consumer videogames like mmorpg,moba ,tabletop games, movies that we never grew out of this.
It's interesting how we never tire of them despite seeing them again and again in our stories and games.
@@ThomasGaryNuila thank you for the video
King and father is same Archetype.
where the fuck have you gone?!
Hm interesting. Where would you fit someone like Albert Einstein in this scheme of things?
He is an example of a true Magician.
Wizard of reality 🧙♂️
@@praywithoutceasing2966 Makes sense!
@@TMurfy121 Yep makes sense. The 'magician' then could also be called the 'seer' or the 'rishi' or the 'truth-seeker', I guess.
I don't see how you'd be able to become a Father without having at least some worth as a Lover/Romantic.
Father figures like Iroh
From just looking at your torso i can easily tell you're very tall
I always firt thing: Oh, I will conter a few points and make a point.
Butn on the second thought I also always come to the conclusion that people who need to read books to become a "Manly Men!" or something like that, are simply so deeply insecure that it wouldn't be interessting in argueing with them about Rolemodels'n'Stuff.
Buuut ... You do know that the Film Version of Aragorn is a little bit "cuted", Tolkien was inspired by old nordics Myths and Aragorn was deeply troubled? + Vikings didn't differ much between Womans and Mens like we do nowadays. If you were strong enough, you could do whatever you want. o.ô'
Men who want to become better men are not "deeply insecure", they're humble enough to admit that they're not all that they could be. So youre wrong there.
Aragorn was deeply troubled, but eventually found himself and became King. Thats the point of his story and fits in with what i previously wrote. People must ultimately find themselves and strive to become King of their lives. That isnt possible with your attitude... Weak, insecure men who think they've got it all figured out, too scared to look inward and admit any flaws. Men who remain boys.
And yes, the Viking women did differ from the men. Woman are naturally smaller, weaker, less dense bones, slower, slower reaction times. and the list goes on. You can deny Biology if you want. But what does that have to do with being a man? Youre the one focusing on "strength" in terms of manhood. This video mentioned much more then strength my friend. Oh and women can do what ever they want in todays society as well mate, Look at athletics, look at the military. Women do what men do all over the place, but maybe you chose to ignore that.
@@CB-dl1vg First of all, naaah. You got Tolkien wrong. You forgot that even Womans fought in Lord of the Rings and by the way only a Woman could defeat the Witch King. It wasn't a matter of "Gender" - It was a matter of "Do things you've to do." like on the Fronts of the first and second World War. Do things you've to do. That's the simply Key in nearly everything - Do things when you've to do it: You've to speak before a big audience? Do it without fear or hesitation. You've to make a point? Do it without fear or hesitation.
The difficult thing is only to know *when* you've to do things.
Secondly nooo. Your great "BONES AND MUSCELS!"-Stuff is ... Well, it displays your insecurity nothing more.
One of the most real Viking Leaders was by the way Woman, they led her Troops into Battle ;) So yeah, if you were strong enough (And Raiding isn't all about body strengths, because you need also the mentality and also the wits to do it successfully) you could go. We talk about a more naturalistic Society. Even if you weren't away raiding others, you've to keep your House / Stuff in order and in consideration that the most Households had also a few Slaves you should be able to count one and one together and to accept the simply fact that "Viking-Womans" would probaly be "more manly" than most of the "Mens" which buy and read Books about "Manly Behaviour" ;D
PS: Your "Argumentum ad hominem" didn't worked, sorry.
If you would wanna improve yourself, you would read stuff targeted at "Becoming a better Human" like Nietzsche's Antichrist, Thus Spoke Zarathustra or the Gorin no Sho from Musashi (Personal favorits). Maybe also Clausewitz's "Vom Kriege" oder the Sun Tzu if you wanna have a more tactical approach.
But if you really have to figure out how you could become the "King of your own life" - Well, things like that should be already be clear for you. Because, you're simply the King of your own fucking life, or aren't you already mature enough? o.O
I mean, hell - You're a grown as Human being. Don't be a fucking sheep which follows simply consumerism - You'll only end in a empty road filled buy the stuff you bought yesterday =o
@@DaroriDerEinzige Im going to assume youre not a very masculine man.
@@CB-dl1vgWell, and I assume you're a troll or really bad educated. o.ô'
Nietzsche -> The dude which brought us the Theory about "Übermenschen".
Musashi -> Literally one of the fucking greatest fuckin' Samurai who ever lived.
... But I also drink Whisky because of the Taste (But not these US "Whisky" which is only good to put him into Cola ...), eat a lot of meat, ride a old Motorcycle which I put together by myself in my own Garage, did always what *I* wanted to do, work parttime as a Security, study Physics on a secondary way of education (I did first a regularly apprenticeship and worked a few years in a bigger Company and earned promotions), I was earlier in my Life quiet heavy in Material Arts, play E-Bass in a Metal Band ... And I just list this stuff because the thought about your face while reading this is marvelous in my head right now :D
But my point is: "Masculinty" 'n'Stuff like that is something from my point of view isn't bound towards your genitals.
@@CB-dl1vg Oh and I had a very long bear the last half year :o But for the summer I've shaved him because I was too much of a cheap ass to buy a fucking Beard Oil again.
wayr
You forgot Pee-wee Herman
You forgot SnowFlake
They go into the female archetypes
19:31 the feminin bliss is extasianting to a manly man
What?
where is the gangstah? lol
Dude I ain't watching lala land haha
two people who watched this are acutally normal
William Wallace
Such a good character (at least as portrayed in Braveheart) because he fits all of these categories.
Why manhood? I'm a female fool 🤷🏾♀️ I think it goes for everyone.
There’s feminine versions of each of these archetypes-mother, queen, etc. Also, each of us, women and men alike, have both the masculine and feminine in us, but the masculine and feminine aren’t the same thing.
Omg what is this man here.. jeez ummph
2:29
Saved you time