I have a 20 inc AR 15 with a MPVO a LPVO a TA 31 with an RMR piggyback, and an offset RMR on an Arisaka Mount. All my opticts are in QD in case one goes down while conducting my BasementOPS. I can remove it and use the next one in line and get back into action. Those pizza rolls aren't going to make themselves.
You guys are light years ahead of most of us grunts. Good points are that with a quality barrel - length shouldn't matter - much. How well one uses (efficiency at obtaining a good sight picture) a certain type of optic - red dot/prism/LPVO does matter. Purpose - general/CQB/DMR matters for optic choice.
Since I was at your night vision class earlier this year, with three optics, I'll chime in. That rifle is 12.5" Triarc midlenth barrel build with a Swaro 1-6LPVO, an offset SRO in a TRex arms mount and a PA red dot mounted on top of my scope. The reason for the top mounted dot is this: I'm right handed and left eye dominant. I run a WP PVS14 over my dominant eye and FLIR Breach thermal over my right. To shoot passively I can roll the gun inward, similar to what I normally do to see the SRO and the top mounted dot ends up infront of my left eye (PVS14). I do most of my daytime shooting with the SRO, the Swaro is normally on 3 or 6 power. The rifle has a Holoson LE221 and malkov EXIR 250 for night use, plus a white light. Looks complicated as hell but it really isn't bad.
When im picking a primary optic for an AR, first I decide the primary use of the rifle. Am I shooting mostly at distances out to 600+? I'm going with a MPVO. Am I shooting mostly under 100 at speed and I want something light? I'm going with a red dot. Am I trying to build a do-it-all rifle? I'm going with a prism.
You guys are popping out videos at the cyclic rate! The PA 3x Microprisms w/ ADM Mini ACOG Mounts have become my go-to general purpose "combat optic" for 10.5" - 16", but there could be room for the new 5x.
I've been running the thick Boi 5x for a few years, looking forward to trying the micro. If it meets expectations the reduced size and weight will be a welcome evolution. I'm just not sold on the Aurora reticle.
@@deangullberry5148 Can't comment on the Aurora reticle due to lack of hand-on experience, but the Raptor reticle they have on the 3x is pretty sweet. The BDC lines up pretty well with the real world ballistics when shooting real M193 zeroed to 100 yards, which makes landing shots from point blank all the way out to 600 yards pretty easy. Just a darn shame ADM is out of stock on their cantilevered mini mounts, so I'm still stuck using the stuff that PA ships with the optic. Good enough for range use but I don't have confidence that their mounts will hold zero after any hard use.
@@deangullberry5148 I recall him being pretty positive towards the optic overall. He talks about how he had the gun with the optic tossed in the back of a pickup and hauled around for a multi-day shooting course, and how the zero never shifted and the turrets never moved a click. In terms of his BDC comments, he says he was using a 62 gr .223 load instead of an M193 55 grain 5.56 load, so of course that's going to impact the BDC calculations. However, it's not too hard to run the ACSS Raptor/Aurora though your favorite ballistics calculator app using your chosen bullet profile etc to figure out the ranges the BDC reticle will line up with at your given zero. The ranging features are going to be the same regardless of ballistics, so they can still be used to get a serviceable ranging estimate. It's certainly not the same level of accuracy you'd get from a mil-dot scope and a Kestrel, but it's about perfect for varmint hunting and defensive uses.
He also pointed out that both the mount, and the red dot bracket were flimsy and bent. He liked the Aurora reticle, but the, and the lens clarity, but the small size was counterproductive to the range capabilities of the reticle. Somewhere in the comments I said I think I'll just stick to the full size 5x.
I own a lot of high end optics…..bought a Primary Arms SLx 3x microprism with the ACSS reticle. It beats most of my super expensive optics hands down. Absolutely the best value for money on the market now. 5 Stars….Highly Recommended. Get one now at $399 before PA up charges…..
14.5 223 wyld with a Eotech 512 and leupold devo fastest 1x-6x there is and weight is the same as most lvpos without the mount but as a lefty I’ll say you need to make sure your not over c clamping or you’ll block some of the devo just takes more than a 2-3 range trips and and you’ll get use to it
I like my EXPS3 with my G45 mag. I can remove the G45 and not have the weight and throw it on when I know I'm going to need it. Or just suck it up and leave it on my gun and carry the weight like you said. LOVE YOUR STUFF!!!
I picked up a Delton 316L ar-15 for $650 and im telling you i have shot about 3000 rounds and i havent had a single jam beyond impressed with this company highly recommend to everyone.
On my “car-15/ blood diamond” rifle I use the carry Handel irons and a pro mounted on top. My GPR build will have an LPVO, a 45 off set rds and then I’ll get a set of irons. All things fail. Nothing is forever.
I have a 16" AR15 with an Aimpoint COMPM4S and a 3x magnifier. I also have a 1-6 primary arms LPVO and trijicon Credo 4-16 with QD mounts. I run mine with my COMPM4S the most though love the aimpoint dots. I also run an AR10 in 308 for longer range shots with a 4-20 Tract Toric UHD.
Great video, you guys continue to motivate active thought in these matters. I'm partial to the Romeo4T I decided to try out after reading about Obi-Wan Nairobi. Been rocking it ever since, with Juliet3 and M-BUS Pro.
My current new build FN CHF chrome lined barrel 14.5 pinned and welded Microbest chrome bolt carrier Sig Sauer 1-10x28 MSR all in Magpul O D green with FDE furniture
My night vision gun has a vortex uh 1 gen 2 on Unity Riser with the eotech 5x magnifier on Unity magnifier mount. Other rifle has a Vortex 1-10 and Holosun 507 comp Offset. Best of both worlds
I think that you should get a cheap psa to start out, but as much ammo as you can, and rock irons and train. Irons can still be used, and training is more important than gear. now if you can afford an optic its great, but that extra.
Yup! If all you have to budget is $1000, buy a $400 rifle, a $50 set of BUIS, a sling, and spend the rest of your budget on ammo and training. Do that, and you'll be infinitely more capable than the guy who spent $3000 on a tricked out DD with a combat proven electro-optic that never leaves the safe.
Currently sticking to prisms with a bdc and back up rds. I don’t have access to a range longer than 200 yards… until I can learn my holds out to 300-600 yards that’s my setup. Maybe someday red dot magnifier will make more sense. But for now sacrifices have to be made.
I ponder about BDCs from time to time and if they are as useful as reviews make them out to be. Currently I run a 16' rifle / 1/3rd red dot with a 50 yard zero and have confirmed that point of aim is for all intensive purposes point of impact out to 300 yards. Looking to take it out to farther range soon and see how it hold up but it makes me question the usefulness of a BDC. My main reason is that if you don't know the distance for certain than the BDC is of little use VS having a zero that will ensure impact within a given distance and anything beyond that will require slight holds. Totally random sorry but something I've thought about.
@@biggboysouth Laser range finders exist, and many quality optics feature BDCs with ranging marks in case you don't have a range finder but know the rough size of the target. For instance, PA's ACSS Raptor reticle has BDCs out to 600, and they line up surprisingly well with the info I get from my ballistics calculator when zeroed at 100 yards using M193 ammo. It's got ranging marks that correspond to a man-sized torso at the given distances. So when I'm at the range shooting my torso-shaped steel and paper targets, all I have to do is line up the ranging marks till I see which one fits, an that gives me a serviceable range estimate for me to utilize the BDC reticle.
Currently have the PA “mpvo” on a 14.5 with some back up irons. Other set up is a sig 1-6 with a rmr on a 45. Just bought a piggy back mount to try it up top though. I’ll probably end up mounting a extra holosun I have to the 14.5 on a 45 degree mount. Love both setups
Thank goodness for this video y’all! I just almost finished my dream build that I started 7 years ago and goddamn it is a heavy bitch. I’ve been kinda remorseful about the weight and the optic weight but I haven’t had a chance to stretch her legs out much and when I have I am in love. Here’s the current build at 12.5 lbs without bipod 14 with (aero lower, vltor A5, vltor IMOD clubbed stock, law folder, geissele 3g, radian talón, radian raptor, LMT Enhanced bolt and BCG, DD 14.5 M4A1 Block 2 upper, Matech BUIS, DD fixed front sight, dead air 3 prong flash pinned, magpul K2 grip, Magpul XTM panels, streamlight protac in Arisaka mount) in it’s home defense configuration I currently use a eotech 512 in an adm QD mount, in my favorite configuration I have a nightforce nx8 2.5-20 F1 Mil-c in a badger ordnance 1.54 COMM mount with a Harris 6-9 bipod in adm QD mount. I still need to add a PDQ bolt release and a Norgone ambi mag release, as well as a 45 degree 1.54 height AimPoint duty. She is a thiqqq tank gurly but damn I love her. I’ve been ashamed of the weight but I wanted a “if money was no object (I’m poor but I’m patient) and I could build my dream do everything from 7 yards to 700 meters, that won’t break until the barrel dies SHTF rifle” I believe I did it.
Great video guys! I’m running a PA sLx 1X6 Aurora SFP and a canted PA sLx red dot on my 13.7 pinned and welded. Love it…just enough glass for my applications up in NW Pennsylvania.
Started with Sig Romeo 5, then to the Holosun 515CM, then the Vortex Razor Gen 2 1-6 LPVO with Unity Tactical mount, and now running an Aimpoint Duty on a Scalarworks 1.93”
I remember buying a red dot and magnifier, then also buying an lpvo to see which i liked better. The only benefit to the lpvo was the bdc reticle. I have long since sold both setups and put a 2-10 on my 18" AR10 and a 2x prism on my 16" AR15. I may go back to the magnified dot setup cus im planning a 13.7 night vision build but the parts list i have mapped out gives me heart palpitation when i look at the total cost 😅
@@MrJbedoYea for this new setup its looking like im gona be doing a magnified T2 cus i feel like a lot of my aiming at NV distances are going to be done with active aiming.
You guys answered a question I’ve been pondering for a few weeks now in my brain. I’m looking for a lpvo scope mount and I ordered a aero precision mount, I loved the weight but it just seemed like it couldn’t take a beating. I ended up sending it back and I’m starting to see the options for super light weight and durable just doesn’t really exist.
14.5. Quad Rail. ACOG + top mounted RMR. Backup Irons. No, it’s not a “sniper” hit a midgets nipple at 700m setup but it’s bulletproof and extremely consistent out to 600m. What more can you ask for?
The Eotech 2 dot and magnifier combo works well for me. I know a lot of ppl hate the 2 dot setup but it’s easy to hit out to 500 yards with that setup and it crushes lpvo inside 25 yards
It’s so true, I went from a 18” to 16”. Lost one pound by parts changes. Experimenting set ups finally got things handled, talk is cheap, the only option is by spend the money and train. You realize how effective your boots are too in a stressful situation.
Similar story. Went from 16” to 13.9” maintained velocity(poly rifling), gained 3.5 pounds but also gained maneuverability, night vision capability, accuracy, and precision.
@@ShepherdOfTheSilkies I can’t exactly afford night vision or thermal. One thing my dad who was a marine during the 90s pushes us learn how to work everything in pitch black before adding all the fancy tech cuz batteries eventually run out and tech can always be countered.
@@cw7legionofpewrights596 I have done extended trips with rechargeable batteries before and a pack solar panel is a enough to keep a battery pack charged which keeps everything else charged. While that is important I don’t think it’s that important since you can’t sleep decently out to 100 yards in a wooded are. It’s good to learn out to walk but that’s it.
Been running the trijicon rx30 reflex without a magnifier for many years, nice fine amber dot and just got use to my hold overs. Great dot to bad they don’t make it anymore
Personally, I run a 16” with a TA31 ACOG and a top mounted 508T. For an all around setup I think a reliable/robust fixed power prism is the way to go because it’s simple and durable. I have different barrel lengths for different purposes but I think 16” is great because it gives added velocity which would help defeat body armor. I’m also gonna say that I don’t fully understand the craze of LPVO’s especially now when we are all excited about 1-10 or 2.5-10. That’s not all that different than 3-9 (which have always been around) especially since everyone is going to run a dot with those setups. It’s kinda like the risers hype. We used to run high optics and the. We got away from that and made everything as low to the bore as possible then now we are back to high optics. That’s just how I feel about it
Agreed although I think what tends to happen with trends is that they will over shoot the mark and then will eventually dial back to a more reasonable point. I think LPVOs will eventually find that sweet spot and hopefully optimize their weight and function to work best for their given niches. I think what we are seeing with those 1-10s ect is that you can't have it all and you end up giving up performance at 1x or 10x to achieve those specs. 1-6 is looking to be the best for well rounded-ness IMHO but I am no avid LPVO user so take that with a grain of salt.
Yeah the LPVO is weird, just do a MPVO that have been around along time, youl get more useable scope and less distortion from a the smaller erector set in the scope ACOG is a great general use, I have two love em
A lot of us only have one main gun. With a 14.5, a LPVO and a piggybacked Acro p2. is the jam. I really love the LPVO, reaching out hundreds of yards is pretty dern nice.
Vortex prism 5x w/ top mounted Venom. 6MOA dot if I’m not mistaken. Zeroed at 25yrds unlikely to use the red dot at more. Zeroed prism at 50 for the whole 50-200 deal. Honestly that’s the SHTF rifle, my 12.5 has a holosun and magnifier combo (3x). More of a CQB build but still has plenty solid ballistics. My 10.5 upper that I just have laying around has a vortex w/ bu irons (fixed FSB so why not just throw a rear sight on). I fuck w/ FSB. That’s the 13.7 as well. Quad rail bc that fucks too (Sabre FN CHF 13.7 QRF w/ FSB). My Zastava is a 10.5 w/ a eotech bc that build fucks. Micah made that video about the Braco and I resonated with his build. Love a bastardized krink style build.
The first and only match I ever shot had a 400 yard shot and with my regular AR was 4/4, no misses with just a dot. It's totally possible, but if PID is an issue...good luck.
I got astigmatism. Need to try some red and green dots to see if any play nice with my eyes, but for now, practicing with irons and looking for a good prism optic.
I find the Holosun circle dot tends to starburst less (ring mainly). I have found that the EOTech holographic is pretty clear when target focused. I have heard that the larger dots tend to starburst less for people. My RMR is 3.25moa and is my largest, Holosuns are 2moa, and not sure what my EOTech dot is. I do have a 1x Prism from Atibal Optics, don’t really like it I got it for the fact that it’s etched, but I can’t run it with a magnifier.
My understanding is that green dots will generally starbust MORE for those with astigmatism due to the human eye having a much higher sensitivity to green colored light. My astigmatism is bad enough that even 2 MOA red dots look like 10 MOA spike balls. Ended up going with a PA SLx 3x microprism, and being able to dial in the optic's diopter was so nice. Everything is crisp and clear. That being said, my understanding from listening to anecdotes from other dot users with astigmatism is that higher quality glass and laser emitters will create a cleaner dot for those of us with astigmatism compared to the cheaper dots with lower quality glass and emitters. No matter what, the dot will never be as crisp and perfect as an optic with diopter adjustments, but apparently the situation is vastly improved when spending serious coin on a dot. So if you REALLY want to use a dot over a prism, it seems beneficial to buy once, cry once.
My area is probably 50/50 rolling hills of argricultural land and forrests. 16" AR with a PA 1-6 LPVO. Having run a microdot for some years, I realized how ineffective the RD alone was anywhere outside of a building. I LOVE the 1-6. I'm almost as fast at 1× as the RD, but I can dial it up and reasonably identify and utilize my rifle at a much greater range. It was a battle between Vortex and PA, but the ACSS reticle and zero edge distortion won out on that one.
Maybe it’s a good idea to run offset iron sights just in case your optic fogs up or if there’s water droplets on the glass getting in the way from the rain.
@jaquesrabit8400 That would solve the rain issue. Might still be a good idea for winter time though, going from hot to cold that causes fog on glass even if you put anti fog. Might depend on how cold it gets though.
LPVO 30mm Vortex Strike and TA31 both piggy RMR’s….Larue QD on Strike/TA31 and Larue ring offset….and using RMR’s 1 & 3 MOA red dots..❤ fyi- with right eye astigmatism…use to use EOtech xps3 but eyes not as good w reticle…Thanks again guys…Great content!
Great video and perfect timing, I've been in the process of re thinking some of my builds and have been putting a ton of thought into what setup fits each best. On a budget so Ideally I need to make the right purchase once.
I am running a EoTech Vudu 1x10 with an offset T2 with the badger mounts on my 16 inch Super Duty. The war between magnified optics and red dot/mag combo and witch one is better is still going also now with a crowd of people saying the LPVO is pointless also sooooo theres that. 🤷♂️
I would say that an LPVO is likely the most capable optic choice and is the most versatile as it can go on anything from a 10.3 up to 20 or longer. That being said, and given its numerous features and capabilities, there will be trade offs. Whether it’s weight, a true 1x, eye box and relief, parallax or max magnification clarity, there are things where it can’t do perfect on all of those. It’s therefore harder to learn despite being inherently more capable. As such, ease of use will always be a dot or holo with a detachable magnifier if needed. As for number of sighting solutions, I’d say 4 in a perfect world. Glass, top dot, canted sights and laser IR device. I say canted sights because while some would still opt for a canted dot, canted irons are still viable if they want mechanical sights so there’s a sighting solution not purely reliant on electronics or glass that could break.
I think 2x-5x prisms give LVPOs a run for their money in terms of capability. You can easily take shots out to 600+ yards using it like a traditional scope, but you can also run-n-gun in CQB scenarios using occluded shooting/Bindon Aiming Concept. Fits well on everything from AR pistols to 24 inch varmint rifles, and can also handle shotguns and battle rifle recoil. So whether you have a PCC, an AR pistol, a combat shotty, or a SCAR in .308, it's still good to go. Not to mention that even if the batteries die, you still have an etched reticle that will do the job.
@@theKashConnoisseur that’s a valid point and I’d say the same points also apply to an lpvo with one minor exception. Occluded shooting in an lpvo is more of an option since you can run it at 1x and use it like a normal optic. For prisms, if it’s too high of a mag at close range, you are forced to do occluded shooting since you likely wouldn’t be able to see the target when it’s magnified so much up close. That, and variable magnification. Biggest thing for prisms is how durable they always seem to be, especially the notoriety of guys like the acog. Less things to break on em too.
As my civilian marksmanship skills evolved I eventually moved from a dot to a prism. Never felt the need to get into LPVO's. Prisms are plenty for most shooters.
Looking cool matters, but I'll argue that once you use a variety of rifle setups, you develop an "eye" for what works. If it looks bulky, awkward, heavy, etc, it probably is. If a setup looks light weight, minimal snagpoints, good magnification for small form factor, it probably is better, along with looking better.
I gotta say, from someone who started out with psa and s&w ARs and now have geissele and adm builds, I'd buy the best rifle I could afford(assuming you actually know what quality is and what controls and triggers you like. I've spent over 5k on different parts just to figure out what I like and don't like and to figure out I don't want psa or aero guns. No they aren't bad. I still have some aero lowers and it's much better than nothing. With my wife breathing down my neck and trying to spend money on parts piece by piece every week or two, I have my ADM and geissele set up the way I want it. But it's not finished. I ended up with a badger comm mount with budget vortex 1-6 pst gen2 and offset 507c. Great optics but they're place holders until I can spend the money on a razor, vudo etc and offset rmr. At least for now I can train with the gun I want to run and all I have to change in the future is the glass.
Glad I’m not the only one who wants it to look good as much as perform lol Been struggle to pick between a scalarworks lower 1/3 for my dot or a 2.26 unity. I’d love the height but they look goofy to me sometimes. Idk what to do help haha
Unless you're building out the rifle to run with night vision, I don't see a lot of benefit to a super high riser. After a certain point, you start to compromise your cheek weld on the gun, and thus your ability to manage some of the recoil and to stabilize the rifle. Of course, you can mitigate the cheek weld issues with a butt pad riser, but then you're just spending more money and adding more weight to solve a problem that could have been handled by simply not running a sky-high riser. And even if you're building a night gun, consider whether you could simply train to mitigate the limitations imposed by a lower 1/3 co-witness mount. Plenty of guys who have "been there and done that" managed to run night ops using standard height mounts because they put the time in to master their craft.
This may not be the appropriate video, it just happens to be the one I’m on, but I know you run suppressors. Most of the footage I’ve seen in all your videos I’ve seen are you and crew not running suppressors. I get it’s more weight, but if you could grab one rifle for SHTF, I know you’re grabbing that suppressor. And if you’re using your mk12s, it appears those suppressors are usually on there but you’re generally static. So a couple questions: 1. Why do you appear to do your running and gunning training without your suppressor? Is it because weight? 2. Are you zeroing your rifles without the suppressor and then just recording your average POI shifts and adjusting your windage/elevation to that POI average? Or are you re-zeroing every time?
7:58 got my recent cross fire for like $105 at Cabela’s with a random online code no points just straight cash😤 favorite optic still to mount with a scopy
Good video, I run several of each set up. I tend to stick with LPVO and piggy bag rds on my longer guns. I’m fortunate enough to have several guns so I can exploit their strengths for me if it’s 10.3 11.5 or 12.5 it’s getting a magnifier if it’s 13.7 and up especially 16+ I’m running a LPVO. I know my vision isn’t the greatest and I much prefer the clarity of LPVO over magnifier. I think ultimately you should have each a 12.5 with a magnifier and a 16-18 with a LPVO and a good set of bipods there isn’t much you can’t get done with thise 2 set ups.
1x6 with off set red dot is all I think you need on a ar there not for shooting a mile 500 and under if your are fighting out side of that rang I'd recommend getting the he'll out of there is the best option because that's over a quarter of a mile I believe you can just get gone and you may live longer if you use that set up on a 14.5 it keeps it light and can do longer range and cqb both just fine
Saint victor 308, vortex lpvo. Looking to add a low profile laser where the front iron sight was, and also an offset hex dragonfly red dot (because it’s free)
My 16” LWRCi M6IC DI has an Atibal optics 1-10 LPVO I’m trying to get an offset RDS mount My 13.9” p&w lightweight aero upper build has an EOTech EXPS 3-0 and Holosun 3x magnifier (wish my EOTech buttons were on the side) My 16” 300BO BCM upper has a 1-8 LPVO Both of these attach to a PSA “Turkey Day” lower with an Elfmann single stage trigger.
I am wanting to know if you would pick a 5.5x or 6x Acog, the TA55 or TA648, also the RMR green/amber dual illuminated. The Vcog LVPO is an option I am looking at.
@@AJohnSmith I’ve watched several videos where they recommend the crosshairs or horseshoe TA11. In general red, but I would want green for brightness. It feels like I should go and hold one and look through it. LVPO is good for my bad eye sight where a red dot is blurry without glasses or magnifier.
The great thing with Vortex is their lifetime transferable warranty. My rifle had a nasty drop and broke the glass on my Venom, vortex replaced it with no questions asked. It makes for a worry free optic experience and is truly a buy once cry once product.
Don’t forget in looking cool, but what works for your eye, does the Eotech reticle work for your eye? Does the segmented circle of a credo 1-8 work better for you on 1x than another scope. Does a chevron work for your eyes and also the targets you want to shoot?
I have a 2-10 Credo in a Reptilia mount, and I went to piggy back my Acro (using Reptilia's piggyback mount) and found that the turrets block half of the window. I even tried the offset mount and the side turrets still block a large portion of the window. Has anyone come up with a solution to this? It seems like I need a true LPVO with shallow turrets to make piggybacking a RDS work.
For less then yunz are stating for the NAME "you're paying for" go to stf2 and you can get a : acog, bipod push button release, irons and a glass with green dot red dot cross..5 different settings another wards, for total under $200. They also give you the mounts,batteries and wrench. My RF AR15 is a heavy miserable pig. I had a 4x( etched glass,cross hairs, lazer,white light, bipod and #1, it sucked weight wise for sure( yes I could see for ever,but it was almost full length of barrel). Now I've changed over to glass ,acog set with irons,and still have white light and bipod ( which all are push button flip or acog slap that sucker to side. And they've all held zero.. ( put some light oil under each item) a touch of blue loktight, then mount it. If you over beat it ,I don't care what brand and how much you spend..it's gonna jerk up,period. As for the weight, it is what it is..mines only 7oz. Lighter then militarys without anything on either. So from there, each item ya add..it's gonna get heavier and carring it all day is not gonna be enjoyable period. You can't have your cake and eat it also. The main worry as you stated is..trend and there are so many copy cat sights and sellers out there you pay with PayPal..and if you get it and it'd junk ( within 30 days) contact company and PayPal and they will either make it right or you'll get your $ back .. just caught your comment about 45 angle irons...just hated them completely.. I'm running irons,acog,glass, Lazer on side. Mine are all zeroed and either can use all at 1 time or slap 1 out of the way or 2 ...it's like you said..it's all in YOU and how it feels and you practice ❤️👍
Dint take your health fir granted. I spent over a year getting preps ready so I could take care of my family but did not get in shape, ignored the doc. Ended up having a stroke now instead of taking care of my family they take care of me. Plz learn from my pain. This has been the hardest 2 years trying to recover. I hope orherswill learn from my mistake.
I think there's something to be said for iron sights, still. When I first got into ARs, my first sighting "system" was some MBUS irons, and they worked fine out to (and beyond) 100 yards. From there I moved to a dot, keeping the irons as a backup sighting system. But that old devil Astigmatism made shooting with a dot at distance less accurate than using irons! So instead of going with a magnifier for my dot, I switched to a 3x prism scope, also known as an ACOG on a budget. Swapped the irons out to offset irons to maintain a battery-free backup sighting system, and now I can accurately place shots out 600 yards while maintaining the ability to rapidly transition between close targets with less total weight on the gun than running a dot/magnifier combo.
I like my vortex crossfire II as well as the spitfire prisms HOWEVER the mounts and screws they include are junk. Upgrade that and you get a solid optic.
Looking for advice/opinions. Finishing up a 16" SPR with Criterion Core1/8 barrel. I have access to Steiner and Leupold dealer pricing so looking at the Mark5HD and the T6Xi. My biggest issue is deciding between a 2-15 or 3(3.6)-18. Mainly used for scoped carbine comps and I have access to two 1000 yrd ranges. Will be adding a backup red dot. I already have red dot and LPVO builds hence the MPVO.
the T6Xi version 2 that has a christmas tree would honestly be the best choice. it is in the 3-18 Steiner i believe. the MK5 from what i recall doesn't have a lot of hold under options. we have dudes in our group that run them, but ended up switching to NF
@barrelandhatchet Thanks for the reply. The only tree reticle option with the Mark5HD is Tremor 3 or CCH. I'm going to try the Steiner out. Worst case I hate it and sell it.
If I want to use a Primary Arms PLX-C on my 12.5 as a modern upgrade over an ACOG what would be the best choice of reticle for it? Raptor Meters, Raptor Yards, or Griffin Mil??? I want this rifle to be my main weapon and I don’t want to miss out on the correct style of reticle I’m using an ACRO P2 piggybacked for 100 yards and in, don’t know if that changes anything
Doing your GP class this upcoming Sunday, should I bring a 14.5" 2.5x10/top dot build or a 13.9" build with dot/magnifier on Unity risers? Or both because shit breaks?
I'll see you guys this Sunday. I'm bringing both of my rifles, hopefully to put both through some paces. One is a dot/magnifier, the other a 1x4 LPVO (both 16 inch ARs). I've never done a rifle course with either one, only slayed paper at my local "from the bench" range with them.
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I have a 20 inc AR 15 with a MPVO a LPVO a TA 31 with an RMR piggyback, and an offset RMR on an Arisaka Mount. All my opticts are in QD in case one goes down while conducting my BasementOPS. I can remove it and use the next one in line and get back into action. Those pizza rolls aren't going to make themselves.
hahaha true and very nice
Based pizza roll enjoyer. I bet you even fuck with hot pockets too from time to time.
A real mans hero right here!
Real men cook the pizza rolls with the heat from the muzzle blast
He always cutting you off 😂
Love hearing you guys talk about this stuff. I’m running an Eotech EXPS3-0 with a G33 magnifier and offset MBUS Pros.
Rad
It doesn’t matter what the internet tells you to do. It’s a matter what you experience yourself.
Truer words were never spoken.
You guys are light years ahead of most of us grunts. Good points are that with a quality barrel - length shouldn't matter - much. How well one uses (efficiency at obtaining a good sight picture) a certain type of optic - red dot/prism/LPVO does matter. Purpose - general/CQB/DMR matters for optic choice.
Every couple of days I come back and watch this absolutely Godly opening
Since I was at your night vision class earlier this year, with three optics, I'll chime in. That rifle is 12.5" Triarc midlenth barrel build with a Swaro 1-6LPVO, an offset SRO in a TRex arms mount and a PA red dot mounted on top of my scope. The reason for the top mounted dot is this: I'm right handed and left eye dominant. I run a WP PVS14 over my dominant eye and FLIR Breach thermal over my right. To shoot passively I can roll the gun inward, similar to what I normally do to see the SRO and the top mounted dot ends up infront of my left eye (PVS14). I do most of my daytime shooting with the SRO, the Swaro is normally on 3 or 6 power. The rifle has a Holoson LE221 and malkov EXIR 250 for night use, plus a white light. Looks complicated as hell but it really isn't bad.
Good stuff!
I think this is my favorite channel. Dig the gear talks, the journal type vlogs and the general philosophy of Barrel & Hatchet.
When im picking a primary optic for an AR, first I decide the primary use of the rifle. Am I shooting mostly at distances out to 600+? I'm going with a MPVO. Am I shooting mostly under 100 at speed and I want something light? I'm going with a red dot. Am I trying to build a do-it-all rifle? I'm going with a prism.
I feel like Roy really kept interrupting Eric in this one 😂 come on, man
You guys are popping out videos at the cyclic rate!
The PA 3x Microprisms w/ ADM Mini ACOG Mounts have become my go-to general purpose "combat optic" for 10.5" - 16", but there could be room for the new 5x.
I've been running the thick Boi 5x for a few years, looking forward to trying the micro. If it meets expectations the reduced size and weight will be a welcome evolution.
I'm just not sold on the Aurora reticle.
@@deangullberry5148 Can't comment on the Aurora reticle due to lack of hand-on experience, but the Raptor reticle they have on the 3x is pretty sweet. The BDC lines up pretty well with the real world ballistics when shooting real M193 zeroed to 100 yards, which makes landing shots from point blank all the way out to 600 yards pretty easy.
Just a darn shame ADM is out of stock on their cantilevered mini mounts, so I'm still stuck using the stuff that PA ships with the optic. Good enough for range use but I don't have confidence that their mounts will hold zero after any hard use.
@@theKashConnoisseur Brass Facts did a review. He was brutally honest, and made me think twice.
@@deangullberry5148 I recall him being pretty positive towards the optic overall. He talks about how he had the gun with the optic tossed in the back of a pickup and hauled around for a multi-day shooting course, and how the zero never shifted and the turrets never moved a click.
In terms of his BDC comments, he says he was using a 62 gr .223 load instead of an M193 55 grain 5.56 load, so of course that's going to impact the BDC calculations. However, it's not too hard to run the ACSS Raptor/Aurora though your favorite ballistics calculator app using your chosen bullet profile etc to figure out the ranges the BDC reticle will line up with at your given zero.
The ranging features are going to be the same regardless of ballistics, so they can still be used to get a serviceable ranging estimate. It's certainly not the same level of accuracy you'd get from a mil-dot scope and a Kestrel, but it's about perfect for varmint hunting and defensive uses.
He also pointed out that both the mount, and the red dot bracket were flimsy and bent. He liked the Aurora reticle, but the, and the lens clarity, but the small size was counterproductive to the range capabilities of the reticle. Somewhere in the comments I said I think I'll just stick to the full size 5x.
I own a lot of high end optics…..bought a Primary Arms SLx 3x microprism with the ACSS reticle. It beats most of my super expensive optics hands down. Absolutely the best value for money on the market now. 5 Stars….Highly Recommended. Get one now at $399 before PA up charges…..
Agreed
14.5 223 wyld with a Eotech 512 and leupold devo fastest 1x-6x there is and weight is the same as most lvpos without the mount but as a lefty I’ll say you need to make sure your not over c clamping or you’ll block some of the devo just takes more than a 2-3 range trips and and you’ll get use to it
I like my EXPS3 with my G45 mag. I can remove the G45 and not have the weight and throw it on when I know I'm going to need it. Or just suck it up and leave it on my gun and carry the weight like you said. LOVE YOUR STUFF!!!
LPVOs make sense for most rifles IF they run back up irons or canted sights. I love irons and ACOGs but LPVOs add a lot of versatility really easily
My primary for the last couple of years is a 12.5 with a PST gen2 with an ADM QD mount and an offset 508T and flip-up irons.
I picked up a Delton 316L ar-15 for $650 and im telling you i have shot about 3000 rounds and i havent had a single jam beyond impressed with this company highly recommend to everyone.
On my “car-15/ blood diamond” rifle I use the carry Handel irons and a pro mounted on top. My GPR build will have an LPVO, a 45 off set rds and then I’ll get a set of irons. All things fail. Nothing is forever.
I have a 16" AR15 with an Aimpoint COMPM4S and a 3x magnifier. I also have a 1-6 primary arms LPVO and trijicon Credo 4-16 with QD mounts. I run mine with my COMPM4S the most though love the aimpoint dots. I also run an AR10 in 308 for longer range shots with a 4-20 Tract Toric UHD.
Great video, you guys continue to motivate active thought in these matters. I'm partial to the Romeo4T I decided to try out after reading about Obi-Wan Nairobi. Been rocking it ever since, with Juliet3 and M-BUS Pro.
Good stuff! And thanks for being apart of thE BHTG community!!
My current new build FN CHF chrome lined barrel 14.5 pinned and welded Microbest chrome bolt carrier Sig Sauer 1-10x28 MSR all in Magpul O D green with FDE furniture
My night vision gun has a vortex uh 1 gen 2 on Unity Riser with the eotech 5x magnifier on Unity magnifier mount. Other rifle has a Vortex 1-10 and Holosun 507 comp Offset. Best of both worlds
My favorite setups are a 10.5-11.5" with a 1.93 red dot a 13.7-14.5" with a lower 1/3 red dot and magnifier and a 18" with an mpvo.
I think that you should get a cheap psa to start out, but as much ammo as you can, and rock irons and train. Irons can still be used, and training is more important than gear. now if you can afford an optic its great, but that extra.
Yup! If all you have to budget is $1000, buy a $400 rifle, a $50 set of BUIS, a sling, and spend the rest of your budget on ammo and training. Do that, and you'll be infinitely more capable than the guy who spent $3000 on a tricked out DD with a combat proven electro-optic that never leaves the safe.
14.5 has the credo 2-10 in a badger 1.54 & a Steiner MPS on top. 13.7 has the razor 1-10 in a badger 1.93 & a 35° 509t.
I really truly like this channel a lot you guys have provided really great content.
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Currently sticking to prisms with a bdc and back up rds. I don’t have access to a range longer than 200 yards… until I can learn my holds out to 300-600 yards that’s my setup. Maybe someday red dot magnifier will make more sense. But for now sacrifices have to be made.
I ponder about BDCs from time to time and if they are as useful as reviews make them out to be. Currently I run a 16' rifle / 1/3rd red dot with a 50 yard zero and have confirmed that point of aim is for all intensive purposes point of impact out to 300 yards. Looking to take it out to farther range soon and see how it hold up but it makes me question the usefulness of a BDC. My main reason is that if you don't know the distance for certain than the BDC is of little use VS having a zero that will ensure impact within a given distance and anything beyond that will require slight holds.
Totally random sorry but something I've thought about.
@@biggboysouth Laser range finders exist, and many quality optics feature BDCs with ranging marks in case you don't have a range finder but know the rough size of the target. For instance, PA's ACSS Raptor reticle has BDCs out to 600, and they line up surprisingly well with the info I get from my ballistics calculator when zeroed at 100 yards using M193 ammo. It's got ranging marks that correspond to a man-sized torso at the given distances. So when I'm at the range shooting my torso-shaped steel and paper targets, all I have to do is line up the ranging marks till I see which one fits, an that gives me a serviceable range estimate for me to utilize the BDC reticle.
Currently have the PA “mpvo” on a 14.5 with some back up irons. Other set up is a sig 1-6 with a rmr on a 45. Just bought a piggy back mount to try it up top though. I’ll probably end up mounting a extra holosun I have to the 14.5 on a 45 degree mount. Love both setups
Thank goodness for this video y’all! I just almost finished my dream build that I started 7 years ago and goddamn it is a heavy bitch. I’ve been kinda remorseful about the weight and the optic weight but I haven’t had a chance to stretch her legs out much and when I have I am in love. Here’s the current build at 12.5 lbs without bipod 14 with (aero lower, vltor A5, vltor IMOD clubbed stock, law folder, geissele 3g, radian talón, radian raptor, LMT Enhanced bolt and BCG, DD 14.5 M4A1 Block 2 upper, Matech BUIS, DD fixed front sight, dead air 3 prong flash pinned, magpul K2 grip, Magpul XTM panels, streamlight protac in Arisaka mount) in it’s home defense configuration I currently use a eotech 512 in an adm QD mount, in my favorite configuration I have a nightforce nx8 2.5-20 F1 Mil-c in a badger ordnance 1.54 COMM mount with a Harris 6-9 bipod in adm QD mount. I still need to add a PDQ bolt release and a Norgone ambi mag release, as well as a 45 degree 1.54 height AimPoint duty. She is a thiqqq tank gurly but damn I love her. I’ve been ashamed of the weight but I wanted a “if money was no object (I’m poor but I’m patient) and I could build my dream do everything from 7 yards to 700 meters, that won’t break until the barrel dies SHTF rifle” I believe I did it.
Great video guys! I’m running a PA sLx 1X6 Aurora SFP and a canted PA sLx red dot on my 13.7 pinned and welded. Love it…just enough glass for my applications up in NW Pennsylvania.
Started with Sig Romeo 5, then to the Holosun 515CM, then the Vortex Razor Gen 2 1-6 LPVO with Unity Tactical mount, and now running an Aimpoint Duty on a Scalarworks 1.93”
I remember buying a red dot and magnifier, then also buying an lpvo to see which i liked better. The only benefit to the lpvo was the bdc reticle. I have long since sold both setups and put a 2-10 on my 18" AR10 and a 2x prism on my 16" AR15. I may go back to the magnified dot setup cus im planning a 13.7 night vision build but the parts list i have mapped out gives me heart palpitation when i look at the total cost 😅
What I've been favoring lately is an lpvo with a piggyback t2 at 12 o clock. It's been pretty nice for NVG. Otherwise I run eotech w mag
@@MrJbedoYea for this new setup its looking like im gona be doing a magnified T2 cus i feel like a lot of my aiming at NV distances are going to be done with active aiming.
@@MrJbedolooking at this. I do not know where to start looking for mounts.
You guys answered a question I’ve been pondering for a few weeks now in my brain. I’m looking for a lpvo scope mount and I ordered a aero precision mount, I loved the weight but it just seemed like it couldn’t take a beating. I ended up sending it back and I’m starting to see the options for super light weight and durable just doesn’t really exist.
A mount is a like a good pair of underwear, you don’t want to skimp on em. Check out American defense manufactering
14.5. Quad Rail. ACOG + top mounted RMR. Backup Irons.
No, it’s not a “sniper” hit a midgets nipple at 700m setup but it’s bulletproof and extremely consistent out to 600m.
What more can you ask for?
The Eotech 2 dot and magnifier combo works well for me. I know a lot of ppl hate the 2 dot setup but it’s easy to hit out to 500 yards with that setup and it crushes lpvo inside 25 yards
It’s so true, I went from a 18” to 16”. Lost one pound by parts changes. Experimenting set ups finally got things handled, talk is cheap, the only option is by spend the money and train. You realize how effective your boots are too in a stressful situation.
Similar story. Went from 16” to 13.9” maintained velocity(poly rifling), gained 3.5 pounds but also gained maneuverability, night vision capability, accuracy, and precision.
@@ShepherdOfTheSilkies I can’t exactly afford night vision or thermal. One thing my dad who was a marine during the 90s pushes us learn how to work everything in pitch black before adding all the fancy tech cuz batteries eventually run out and tech can always be countered.
@@cw7legionofpewrights596 I have done extended trips with rechargeable batteries before and a pack solar panel is a enough to keep a battery pack charged which keeps everything else charged. While that is important I don’t think it’s that important since you can’t sleep decently out to 100 yards in a wooded are. It’s good to learn out to walk but that’s it.
Been running the trijicon rx30 reflex without a magnifier for many years, nice fine amber dot and just got use to my hold overs. Great dot to bad they don’t make it anymore
I'm running an EXPS3-0 + G33 + backup irons & I'm all set for my environment & working @ night.
Personally, I run a 16” with a TA31 ACOG and a top mounted 508T. For an all around setup I think a reliable/robust fixed power prism is the way to go because it’s simple and durable. I have different barrel lengths for different purposes but I think 16” is great because it gives added velocity which would help defeat body armor.
I’m also gonna say that I don’t fully understand the craze of LPVO’s especially now when we are all excited about 1-10 or 2.5-10. That’s not all that different than 3-9 (which have always been around) especially since everyone is going to run a dot with those setups. It’s kinda like the risers hype. We used to run high optics and the. We got away from that and made everything as low to the bore as possible then now we are back to high optics.
That’s just how I feel about it
Agreed although I think what tends to happen with trends is that they will over shoot the mark and then will eventually dial back to a more reasonable point. I think LPVOs will eventually find that sweet spot and hopefully optimize their weight and function to work best for their given niches. I think what we are seeing with those 1-10s ect is that you can't have it all and you end up giving up performance at 1x or 10x to achieve those specs. 1-6 is looking to be the best for well rounded-ness IMHO but I am no avid LPVO user so take that with a grain of salt.
Yeah the LPVO is weird, just do a MPVO that have been around along time, youl get more useable scope and less distortion from a the smaller erector set in the scope
ACOG is a great general use, I have two love em
A lot of us only have one main gun. With a 14.5, a LPVO and a piggybacked Acro p2. is the jam. I really love the LPVO, reaching out hundreds of yards is pretty dern nice.
Vortex prism 5x w/ top mounted Venom. 6MOA dot if I’m not mistaken. Zeroed at 25yrds unlikely to use the red dot at more. Zeroed prism at 50 for the whole 50-200 deal.
Honestly that’s the SHTF rifle, my 12.5 has a holosun and magnifier combo (3x). More of a CQB build but still has plenty solid ballistics.
My 10.5 upper that I just have laying around has a vortex w/ bu irons (fixed FSB so why not just throw a rear sight on). I fuck w/ FSB. That’s the 13.7 as well. Quad rail bc that fucks too (Sabre FN CHF 13.7 QRF w/ FSB).
My Zastava is a 10.5 w/ a eotech bc that build fucks. Micah made that video about the Braco and I resonated with his build. Love a bastardized krink style build.
Running a strike eagle 1-8lpvo on my 14.5 and have a holographic sight on my 12.5
The first and only match I ever shot had a 400 yard shot and with my regular AR was 4/4, no misses with just a dot. It's totally possible, but if PID is an issue...good luck.
I got astigmatism. Need to try some red and green dots to see if any play nice with my eyes, but for now, practicing with irons and looking for a good prism optic.
I find the Holosun circle dot tends to starburst less (ring mainly).
I have found that the EOTech holographic is pretty clear when target focused.
I have heard that the larger dots tend to starburst less for people. My RMR is 3.25moa and is my largest, Holosuns are 2moa, and not sure what my EOTech dot is.
I do have a 1x Prism from Atibal Optics, don’t really like it I got it for the fact that it’s etched, but I can’t run it with a magnifier.
My understanding is that green dots will generally starbust MORE for those with astigmatism due to the human eye having a much higher sensitivity to green colored light. My astigmatism is bad enough that even 2 MOA red dots look like 10 MOA spike balls. Ended up going with a PA SLx 3x microprism, and being able to dial in the optic's diopter was so nice. Everything is crisp and clear.
That being said, my understanding from listening to anecdotes from other dot users with astigmatism is that higher quality glass and laser emitters will create a cleaner dot for those of us with astigmatism compared to the cheaper dots with lower quality glass and emitters. No matter what, the dot will never be as crisp and perfect as an optic with diopter adjustments, but apparently the situation is vastly improved when spending serious coin on a dot. So if you REALLY want to use a dot over a prism, it seems beneficial to buy once, cry once.
My area is probably 50/50 rolling hills of argricultural land and forrests.
16" AR with a PA 1-6 LPVO.
Having run a microdot for some years, I realized how ineffective the RD alone was anywhere outside of a building.
I LOVE the 1-6. I'm almost as fast at 1× as the RD, but I can dial it up and reasonably identify and utilize my rifle at a much greater range.
It was a battle between Vortex and PA, but the ACSS reticle and zero edge distortion won out on that one.
Maybe it’s a good idea to run offset iron sights just in case your optic fogs up or if there’s water droplets on the glass getting in the way from the rain.
@jaquesrabit8400 That would solve the rain issue. Might still be a good idea for winter time though, going from hot to cold that causes fog on glass even if you put anti fog. Might depend on how cold it gets though.
Great video. You gotta let Eric finish his trains of thought more though
I was going to say same thing. I think Roy had to much caffeine.
LPVO 30mm Vortex Strike and TA31 both piggy RMR’s….Larue QD on Strike/TA31 and Larue ring offset….and using RMR’s 1 & 3 MOA red dots..❤ fyi- with right eye astigmatism…use to use EOtech xps3 but eyes not as good w reticle…Thanks again guys…Great content!
Great video and perfect timing, I've been in the process of re thinking some of my builds and have been putting a ton of thought into what setup fits each best. On a budget so Ideally I need to make the right purchase once.
I am running a EoTech Vudu 1x10 with an offset T2 with the badger mounts on my 16 inch Super Duty. The war between magnified optics and red dot/mag combo and witch one is better is still going also now with a crowd of people saying the LPVO is pointless also sooooo theres that. 🤷♂️
I would say that an LPVO is likely the most capable optic choice and is the most versatile as it can go on anything from a 10.3 up to 20 or longer. That being said, and given its numerous features and capabilities, there will be trade offs. Whether it’s weight, a true 1x, eye box and relief, parallax or max magnification clarity, there are things where it can’t do perfect on all of those. It’s therefore harder to learn despite being inherently more capable.
As such, ease of use will always be a dot or holo with a detachable magnifier if needed.
As for number of sighting solutions, I’d say 4 in a perfect world. Glass, top dot, canted sights and laser IR device. I say canted sights because while some would still opt for a canted dot, canted irons are still viable if they want mechanical sights so there’s a sighting solution not purely reliant on electronics or glass that could break.
I think 2x-5x prisms give LVPOs a run for their money in terms of capability. You can easily take shots out to 600+ yards using it like a traditional scope, but you can also run-n-gun in CQB scenarios using occluded shooting/Bindon Aiming Concept. Fits well on everything from AR pistols to 24 inch varmint rifles, and can also handle shotguns and battle rifle recoil. So whether you have a PCC, an AR pistol, a combat shotty, or a SCAR in .308, it's still good to go. Not to mention that even if the batteries die, you still have an etched reticle that will do the job.
@@theKashConnoisseur that’s a valid point and I’d say the same points also apply to an lpvo with one minor exception. Occluded shooting in an lpvo is more of an option since you can run it at 1x and use it like a normal optic. For prisms, if it’s too high of a mag at close range, you are forced to do occluded shooting since you likely wouldn’t be able to see the target when it’s magnified so much up close. That, and variable magnification.
Biggest thing for prisms is how durable they always seem to be, especially the notoriety of guys like the acog. Less things to break on em too.
you know you're in Florida when you take cover behind a jet ski..
Love that you support Vortex optics. I use their OEM manufacturer, Vector Optics for $100-$300 less.
Where’d you get this info and what Vortex scopes are made by vector?
As my civilian marksmanship skills evolved I eventually moved from a dot to a prism. Never felt the need to get into LPVO's. Prisms are plenty for most shooters.
I agree 💯.
I mounted a Aimpoint Duty RDS on a Scalarworks Leap 1.57. Mounted it on a 11.5 BCM MK2
Looking cool matters, but I'll argue that once you use a variety of rifle setups, you develop an "eye" for what works. If it looks bulky, awkward, heavy, etc, it probably is. If a setup looks light weight, minimal snagpoints, good magnification for small form factor, it probably is better, along with looking better.
I gotta say, from someone who started out with psa and s&w ARs and now have geissele and adm builds, I'd buy the best rifle I could afford(assuming you actually know what quality is and what controls and triggers you like. I've spent over 5k on different parts just to figure out what I like and don't like and to figure out I don't want psa or aero guns. No they aren't bad. I still have some aero lowers and it's much better than nothing.
With my wife breathing down my neck and trying to spend money on parts piece by piece every week or two, I have my ADM and geissele set up the way I want it. But it's not finished. I ended up with a badger comm mount with budget vortex 1-6 pst gen2 and offset 507c. Great optics but they're place holders until I can spend the money on a razor, vudo etc and offset rmr. At least for now I can train with the gun I want to run and all I have to change in the future is the glass.
I’m not too far, hope to come take a rifle and pistol class when it cools off!
Glad I’m not the only one who wants it to look good as much as perform lol
Been struggle to pick between a scalarworks lower 1/3 for my dot or a 2.26 unity. I’d love the height but they look goofy to me sometimes. Idk what to do help haha
Unless you're building out the rifle to run with night vision, I don't see a lot of benefit to a super high riser. After a certain point, you start to compromise your cheek weld on the gun, and thus your ability to manage some of the recoil and to stabilize the rifle. Of course, you can mitigate the cheek weld issues with a butt pad riser, but then you're just spending more money and adding more weight to solve a problem that could have been handled by simply not running a sky-high riser.
And even if you're building a night gun, consider whether you could simply train to mitigate the limitations imposed by a lower 1/3 co-witness mount. Plenty of guys who have "been there and done that" managed to run night ops using standard height mounts because they put the time in to master their craft.
This may not be the appropriate video, it just happens to be the one I’m on, but I know you run suppressors. Most of the footage I’ve seen in all your videos I’ve seen are you and crew not running suppressors. I get it’s more weight, but if you could grab one rifle for SHTF, I know you’re grabbing that suppressor. And if you’re using your mk12s, it appears those suppressors are usually on there but you’re generally static. So a couple questions:
1. Why do you appear to do your running and gunning training without your suppressor? Is it because weight?
2. Are you zeroing your rifles without the suppressor and then just recording your average POI shifts and adjusting your windage/elevation to that POI average? Or are you re-zeroing every time?
7:58 got my recent cross fire for like $105 at Cabela’s with a random online code no points just straight cash😤 favorite optic still to mount with a scopy
Just one to combat the anti freedom anti gun algorithm.
You guys are doing WORK for the PEOPLE and WE cannot thank you enough
God Bless guys!
Your a saint and a patriot
Good video, I run several of each set up. I tend to stick with LPVO and piggy bag rds on my longer guns. I’m fortunate enough to have several guns so I can exploit their strengths for me if it’s 10.3 11.5 or 12.5 it’s getting a magnifier if it’s 13.7 and up especially 16+ I’m running a LPVO. I know my vision isn’t the greatest and I much prefer the clarity of LPVO over magnifier. I think ultimately you should have each a 12.5 with a magnifier and a 16-18 with a LPVO and a good set of bipods there isn’t much you can’t get done with thise 2 set ups.
How do you guys feel about the new leupold mk5 2-10? Id love to hear your guys input.
A lot better and more useable than a 1-10, mk5 is a great series, go for it
These intros get sicker every cast. Strong editing. Now to get rid of the foot lighting as a the primary. I’m a fan regardless 👍
1x6 with off set red dot is all I think you need on a ar there not for shooting a mile 500 and under if your are fighting out side of that rang I'd recommend getting the he'll out of there is the best option because that's over a quarter of a mile I believe you can just get gone and you may live longer if you use that set up on a 14.5 it keeps it light and can do longer range and cqb both just fine
I'm slowly piecing my rifle. Just got my 1-6 in and installed. Never going back to red dots 😂.
14.5 ACOG/top mounted T-2
Saint victor 308, vortex lpvo. Looking to add a low profile laser where the front iron sight was, and also an offset hex dragonfly red dot (because it’s free)
My 16” LWRCi M6IC DI has an Atibal optics 1-10 LPVO I’m trying to get an offset RDS mount
My 13.9” p&w lightweight aero upper build has an EOTech EXPS 3-0 and Holosun 3x magnifier (wish my EOTech buttons were on the side)
My 16” 300BO BCM upper has a 1-8 LPVO
Both of these attach to a PSA “Turkey Day” lower with an Elfmann single stage trigger.
I am wanting to know if you would pick a 5.5x or 6x Acog, the TA55 or TA648, also the RMR green/amber dual illuminated. The Vcog LVPO is an option I am looking at.
Yes.
@@AJohnSmith I’ve watched several videos where they recommend the crosshairs or horseshoe TA11. In general red, but I would want green for brightness.
It feels like I should go and hold one and look through it. LVPO is good for my bad eye sight where a red dot is blurry without glasses or magnifier.
@@awsomedude9111 despite popular belief green can get lost in the background. Red is by far the best option.
Amber if you're color blind.
@awsomedude911
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You should check out Delta34, dude is literally the ACOG guru
The great thing with Vortex is their lifetime transferable warranty. My rifle had a nasty drop and broke the glass on my Venom, vortex replaced it with no questions asked. It makes for a worry free optic experience and is truly a buy once cry once product.
Glad I'm not the only one. I put a 2-10 on a 13.7. I loved the way it shot but did not like the way it looked. Had to go.😅
Rule number 1
Always got to include a sig malfunction in the b roll. Classic sig
Don’t forget in looking cool, but what works for your eye, does the Eotech reticle work for your eye? Does the segmented circle of a credo 1-8 work better for you on 1x than another scope. Does a chevron work for your eyes and also the targets you want to shoot?
I have a 2-10 Credo in a Reptilia mount, and I went to piggy back my Acro (using Reptilia's piggyback mount) and found that the turrets block half of the window. I even tried the offset mount and the side turrets still block a large portion of the window. Has anyone come up with a solution to this? It seems like I need a true LPVO with shallow turrets to make piggybacking a RDS work.
Yo that silhouette at 500 is beat up
For less then yunz are stating for the NAME "you're paying for" go to stf2 and you can get a : acog, bipod push button release, irons and a glass with green dot red dot cross..5 different settings another wards, for total under $200. They also give you the mounts,batteries and wrench. My RF AR15 is a heavy miserable pig. I had a 4x( etched glass,cross hairs, lazer,white light, bipod and #1, it sucked weight wise for sure( yes I could see for ever,but it was almost full length of barrel). Now I've changed over to glass ,acog set with irons,and still have white light and bipod ( which all are push button flip or acog slap that sucker to side. And they've all held zero.. ( put some light oil under each item) a touch of blue loktight, then mount it. If you over beat it ,I don't care what brand and how much you spend..it's gonna jerk up,period. As for the weight, it is what it is..mines only 7oz. Lighter then militarys without anything on either. So from there, each item ya add..it's gonna get heavier and carring it all day is not gonna be enjoyable period. You can't have your cake and eat it also. The main worry as you stated is..trend and there are so many copy cat sights and sellers out there you pay with PayPal..and if you get it and it'd junk ( within 30 days) contact company and PayPal and they will either make it right or you'll get your $ back .. just caught your comment about 45 angle irons...just hated them completely.. I'm running irons,acog,glass, Lazer on side. Mine are all zeroed and either can use all at 1 time or slap 1 out of the way or 2 ...it's like you said..it's all in YOU and how it feels and you practice ❤️👍
What is your guys take on the Sig Sauer Tango 6T?
"Good enough for government work". :)
Dint take your health fir granted. I spent over a year getting preps ready so I could take care of my family but did not get in shape, ignored the doc. Ended up having a stroke now instead of taking care of my family they take care of me. Plz learn from my pain. This has been the hardest 2 years trying to recover. I hope orherswill learn from my mistake.
Great content, keep up the hard work!
14.5 p/w bcm elw bfh barrel with an ACOG (4x RCO) great combo and lightweight, could ruck this rifle all day and barely notice its there
Great tips!
I think there's something to be said for iron sights, still. When I first got into ARs, my first sighting "system" was some MBUS irons, and they worked fine out to (and beyond) 100 yards. From there I moved to a dot, keeping the irons as a backup sighting system. But that old devil Astigmatism made shooting with a dot at distance less accurate than using irons! So instead of going with a magnifier for my dot, I switched to a 3x prism scope, also known as an ACOG on a budget. Swapped the irons out to offset irons to maintain a battery-free backup sighting system, and now I can accurately place shots out 600 yards while maintaining the ability to rapidly transition between close targets with less total weight on the gun than running a dot/magnifier combo.
Have you done an SBR tutorial video?
I like my vortex crossfire II as well as the spitfire prisms HOWEVER the mounts and screws they include are junk. Upgrade that and you get a solid optic.
Great videos 📹 👌
Looking for advice/opinions. Finishing up a 16" SPR with Criterion Core1/8 barrel. I have access to Steiner and Leupold dealer pricing so looking at the Mark5HD and the T6Xi. My biggest issue is deciding between a 2-15 or 3(3.6)-18. Mainly used for scoped carbine comps and I have access to two 1000 yrd ranges. Will be adding a backup red dot. I already have red dot and LPVO builds hence the MPVO.
the T6Xi version 2 that has a christmas tree would honestly be the best choice. it is in the 3-18 Steiner i believe. the MK5 from what i recall doesn't have a lot of hold under options. we have dudes in our group that run them, but ended up switching to NF
@barrelandhatchet Thanks for the reply. The only tree reticle option with the Mark5HD is Tremor 3 or CCH. I'm going to try the Steiner out. Worst case I hate it and sell it.
If I want to use a Primary Arms PLX-C on my 12.5 as a modern upgrade over an ACOG what would be the best choice of reticle for it? Raptor Meters, Raptor Yards, or Griffin Mil??? I want this rifle to be my main weapon and I don’t want to miss out on the correct style of reticle
I’m using an ACRO P2 piggybacked for 100 yards and in, don’t know if that changes anything
Jim’s goon life runs a 1x dot with a 1x 45 offset
Not gonna lie though it looks odd
I think the mpvo with 2 dots doesn’t look nearly as weird
Sweet vid! Where can I get a bonnie hat like that?
You commented on the aero mount. I have one and don’t trust it. It seems too light. What has your experience been with them?
Get ADM.
“Weight is sign of reliability; if it does not work, you can always hit him with it…” - Boris, the Sneaky Russian, SNATCH
I ended up building 2 uppers with parts I had left from another build. So, I have 2 lowers, and 4 uppers to choose from 🥴🤷🏼♂️
If weight is an issue, put down the cheeseburger and soda, and go run 7 miles.
Doing your GP class this upcoming Sunday, should I bring a 14.5" 2.5x10/top dot build or a 13.9" build with dot/magnifier on Unity risers? Or both because shit breaks?
Both.
Who makes that full mesh MC boonie hat?
my dream LPVO. march shorty 1- 10
I'll see you guys this Sunday. I'm bringing both of my rifles, hopefully to put both through some paces. One is a dot/magnifier, the other a 1x4 LPVO (both 16 inch ARs). I've never done a rifle course with either one, only slayed paper at my local "from the bench" range with them.
Much learning will be happening that day and it will be awesome