Hey Everyone! All information that I give in this video is from my perspective as an Air Force Officer. I eagerly admit my ignorance of life and operations in the other branches and I encourage you to seek out members from those services to learn more about them and how they differ from the experience that I give in this video. If you found this video useful then give it a LIKE! It really helps out my channel. Also consider checking out my entire playlist on Military Finance topics: th-cam.com/play/PLscTZuOqKWIycpttIOB044CBFLdPpgiYu.html
I never really concerned myself by the whole officer enlisted rules. In 26 years as an officer working with enlisted folks, I never had an issue. In fact it was my joy to interact and spend off duty time with them. As a pilot, my crew were equals both officers and enlisted. I can remember my last redeployment from the ME. We landed in Greece and I said I was paying for the first round for all the great maintainers traveling aboard. We had a great afternoon sharing stories. Was I ever fearful, no. These were the guys and gals that allowed us to be successful. It was my pleasure to work and lead them to success.
In 21 years as an enlisted working with officers I always had issues. It seems like every time I saw an officer he was telling me to do stuff. Was I ever fearful, only of the Captain.
@@almoemason I wish I could have mentored you. My last enlisted payback was at Norfolk VA. Leading a small team of Marines and Sailors, a Snr Chief invited me to their enlisted club. It was an honor and reassuring that no one batted an eye seeing an AF LTC in a flight suit hanging out.
@@edjarrett3164 I did ok with the mentor I had. I made senior chief in 13 years. BTW looks like you were a typical stuffy officer, can you not recognize something said for it's humorous value and not a serious comment? Also, just so you know the only good marine is a submarine. STSCS(SS/SW) USN Ret.
As a senior enlisted in the Navy with close to 2 decades in Active Duty service and served in 2 joint commands with all services working for and with me, this video information is highly tailored coming from an Air Force perspective. I understand that is your speciality but do not misinform viewers that the same generalities applies to all services. I promise that e-mails and desk jobs are not what officers and senior enlisted Navy personnel do all day while deployed on a warship; speaking from firsthand experience. Constructive criticism because we work to do better so don’t take it personal. Great videos on your channel and a long time viewer so keep em coming and we’ll keep watching.
Absolutely! Full disclosure, I know very little about daily life in the other branches. I do my best to generalize my information here on TH-cam to reach the widest audience possible, but all of my information is biased as it is coming from an Air Force Officer. Even within the Air Force, the world of ICBMs is much different than the rest of the Air Force. I appreciate people from other branches leaving comments for those looking for more information. Thanks for the comment and support!
Great rundown of the processes and environments/cultures. The last OTS non-rated board ended up being canceled 1 weeks after I submitted my package for review. 5 months of preparation with little to show for it.
Thank you so much for posting this and other videos! I'm prior-E (currently, 2 years in), and was so pumped for starting to commission after getting my Bachelors, but this video help put things into a different perspective. Not discouraged, just rethinking. But I'm 37, so I'm going to need to choose soon!
It's a big decision! There also is no harm in applying and seeing if you get it. You can always decline it if selected if you change your mind (though everyone you work with would then think you are nuts). But you have to do what is best for you. Best of luck Rachael!
I found you through your Graham Stephen’s course review and I got so excited to see you’re also an AF veteran...I got even more excited when you mentioned Minot AFB. That was my first duty station from 2013-2016. Just subbed!
Prior E here with 8 years that is looking to get back in. At first with the 20 year up or out concept, that was pushing me away from OTS, but then you clarified that having that prior time would mean I would only need to do 12 as an officer which could be a lot more feasible. Lot to consider, thanks for these very thorough videos!
Yep! I work with a lot of prior enlisted who went officer. Most will retire as a Major or a Captain without ever having to compete for promotion as an officer. Cheers Joel!
The junior officer/non-commissioned officer relationship was crucial for me during my initial years as an O-3. The E-7s were clutch. I even had the fortune of being in a department with two hard charging E-6s that made my transition and development in the military smooth.
That's awesome Alvin! I actually work in an ops squadron with 50+ other officers, so I really do not get this normal interaction with senior enlisted leadership. I wish I did, they sound amazing!
Hey Jake, I'm currently at the end of my third year in Korea, second in the GOE. I appreciated finding your channel considering we have similar backgrounds and interests. I teach at a technical high school. We teach agriculture, mechanics, CNC machining, etc. Basically our school funnels the least well performing middle school students into our program and teaches them technical skills, which is great. It has a good mission, but I couldn't be less excited as an English teacher here and so I'm now considering joining the Air Force assuming I score well enough on the AFOQT. I'd very much like to become a pilot. However it feels a little intimidating coming from a school like mine where the expectations aren't high, students are allowed to sleep and use phones in class and then go from that to OTS and to a pilot. I feel like I'm suffering here at this school personally and professionally as there is very little challenge and too few students who have any interest in what I'm paid to do here. Do you feel like teaching ESL was at all advantageous to you going forward in your career in the Air Force or in your interview? I'd like to do well during my interview as well though I feel like my resume is going to be a bit more barren than yours though I also have experience working on my school's newspaper as an editor. I have been studying Korean since I came here three years ago, and I'd say I'm relatively proficient--enough to speak about day to day topics with my friends and girlfriend. I'm curious what you felt helped you the most in your interview or application. Obviously you had quite a strong package all together. Thanks for your videos and time!
Hey Joshua! I taught in a public Korean elementary school for six years. Singing days of the week and helping 5th graders with counting ordinal numbers did nothing to prepare me to be an Air Force officer. But that doesn't matter. Moving to the other side of the world to immerse yourself in another language and culture takes guts. Something a lot of Americans would never be willing to do. If you want to be an Air Force officer you have to believe in yourself. You have to be your biggest fan and you have to sell yourself if you want the Air Force to invest in you. If you do not think you are great right now, then change that. Volunteer to do stuff. Seek out opportunities. Build your resume now. Prove that you are mentally and physically capable of succeeding as a pilot. Nothing is easy, but the people who made it all have one thing in comment, they tried and did not give up on the process or the goal of self-improvement. I have two videos coming next week about applying to OTS. Be sure to check those out!
@@JakeBroe thanks Jake! I think I just felt a little disheartened, but I think you're right. Part of selling oneself is just the confidence in knowing you can deal with challenges, and I know I can do that, but I'm also coming at this from an area I was raised in where going into the military is not exactly a positive thing haha so I probably have some inner doubts I need to eliminate. It is definitely something I want. I'll keep a lookout for your next videos and further opportunities to strengthen my resume. I appreciate your encouragement!
Hi Jake, I've been watching your videos for a hot minute, but I didn't know you taught English in Korea prior to service! By looking at the Korean flag and picture of Seoul from other videos, I knew you would have some Korean background other than serving there for few years haha. I am a Korean American currently serving in the USAF as a enlistee. I find your videos very helpful since I am always interested in finance and credit! I appreciate your hard work as an officer as well as a TH-camr!
Awesome! Yeah, I taught in a public elementary school in Gwangju for six years. I loved it and really miss the lifestyle there (but not the job). I am glad you found my channel and I hope you get a lot of value from my videos! Cheers!
Could you do a video explaining officer assignments? Like the entire process of how we get selected to our next bases and what steps we play in that. Thanks!
Hey Zac! I have some videos coming soon about TFOT/OTS. As for base assignments, that is up to AFPC. You can put your base preferences, but the Air Force is going to send you wherever they want and you have to go. Special considerations are given to service members who are married to other service members or have family with certain medical conditions, but otherwise you have to be ready to go anywhere.
Good video I decided to enlist in the af reserves because I wanted to pick my job and not the recruiter, enlisted with a bachelors but it turn out to be worth it since I passed bmt and a difficult tech school this year with a pandemic going on can always commission after my contract ends. One big downside of enlisted is if the person dont do well in tech school the person choose from a list of jobs that have a lower asvab score which kinda sucks dont know how officer tech schools are.
I'll respectfully disagree on the promotion. 😀 The promotion rate to O-4 has been 100%, O-5 normally above 50%. The rates are significantly lower for E-6/7. We always made jokes about Os and most prior Es would agree. Have pulse, will promote! LOL. In my 27 years, I only met one person who couldn't make 0-4/5 and she was sleeping with an E. LoL I do agree with the politics. I've had many Lts and Capts ask me to attend a meeting with them because they knew I would say what needed to be said and the WG/CC would likely agree with me. I would tell my MOO all the time I'm not here to play politics, I'm there to make the mission happen. E8/9 were given lots of latitude, that's why it takes a 4-star to demote . They want you to have the ability to say what needs to be said in order to protect your enlisted Airmen. Overall good video, but tough one to make. Personally, I think you gave too much credit to the officer influence on enlisted EPRs, Decorations, and assignments. They play a very small role, with the exception of final approval. Most of the time they will always concur if their Chief does. But, you're an O in a world where there's very few enlisted so I understand why you think that way. I also believe your view from the ICBM world is very different from how the rest of the AF operates. And it should, entirely different mission.
Hey Rob! For sure, everything varies from branch to branch and career field to career field. I have met good senior Captains that wanted to stay in and failed to promote to Major (black marked for fucking up as a Lt 8 years earlier). I also know Majors who failed to make Lt Col and they are being pushed out right now. Most officers who suck at leading people and making decisions just eliminate themselves and get out because the job is so uncomfortable for them. Nobody at age 18 can really know that this is what they want for themselves when they agree to do ROTC or the Academy. You are also correct that the world of missiles is very different from the rest of the Air Force. I am in an ops squadron right now with 60 other officers. I am 5 years in to my service and have never been directly responsible or in charge of anyone other than a single deputy Lt. My job is to pull alert and be in the missile field. I work with enlisted people, but I am not directly in charge of them. That will change eventually of course! Cheers!
Hey Jake! I think the promotions work very differently in the ICBM world, fingers on the trigger so no time to "rehabilitate". It's just not that common for Os to separate due to not being promoted in the AF, overall. I've said for years, Aircraft Maintenance Officers are more equipped to lead large orgs. A brand new 2Lt arrives and their first position is a Flight Commander in-charge of more than 100 airmen. That's probably the smallest number they'll ever lead. They do this with the assistance of a strong MSgt/SMSgt by their side. I think it's difficult for any officer to give their opinion on the inner workings of the enlisted force. You would think they do, but they really know nothing about it. I've talked to many full birds who truly had no clue how our assignment system works, promotion system works, etc. That's not being disrespectful, just a fact. That's why they have Chiefs. That's what I've been told many times. I have you for that, Chief. 🤣🤣🤣
As long as you can qualify for a secret or probably for AF Top Secret clearance and you are a citizen should have no issue. Though idk if they will take the degree or not.
Officer or enlisted? Enlisted USMC delayed entry with two other high school buddies and we were on the yellow MCRD San Diego dark thirty June 2, 1980. Near the end of "acclimation" I was called to the table of brass for the offer of OTC - a day or so before Drill Instructors picked us up. Said brass made the offer explaining only a vague timeline of events and length of tour, to a stupid seventeen y/o small town kid who didn't know what the heck he'd gotten himself into. Not one peep about actual duties (I originally wanted Force Recon) so I respectfully declined. My Major mistake on several fronts. The brass was offended by the declination. Had I understood what was included in officer training, I might have flown Cobra choppers or made Recon elements. Could have retired with rank (even if only time in grade) and full pension at 45 y/o. At the same time I did learn as enlisted, hands on skills that have proven quite valuable, not overwhelmingly cash profitable. In retrospect, I should have taken OTC. BTW, Marine Corps OTC is (or was ) in no way connected to ROTC. Different critters. eom
Gotta ask, was missiles your initial interest and if so for which reasons? Just curious! Would love to see a video about your AFSC, the world would benefit from more exposure to the 13N life!
I was enlisted (4yrs) and dont get me wrong I am proud to have served, BUT if I could back 2 the future my time I would have pursued my commission as a officer...😂 Reason being well...the military has a simple old saying "rank has its privileges"...😎
Haha, for sure, there are intangibles. As an officer I am given more independence and managed less it feels like. That definitely has a quality of life value. Cheers!
A few questions you mentioned that you entered the Air Force with roughly $40,000 in student loan debts did they resolve that debt I think referred to as loan forgiveness? And second question were there certain jobs within the Air Force whether it’s enlisted or officer that you noticed got stationed in Europe, more often than other jobs?that is my goal is to be stationed in Europe
I believe loan forgiveness in the Air Force is if you make consistent on time payments for ten years they pay off the rest. There might be other programs or special circumstances I’m not exactly informed on though.
Hey Zac! As long as you are average or above average compared to your peers, you should be fine. I don't know what promotion rates are for chaplains, you can ask this if you know any. Additionally, for O-4s who don't make O-5, many go guard or reserve to get 20 good years and they still will collect the pension, they just have to wait until age 60 to start it. There are also other government agencies that count military years towards their pension, so there are lots of options in this scenario.
@@JakeBroe they say that chaplains promote slower, which is totally understandable. Since they are considered non-commanding or line officers, I would assume they want to stick around as long as they can keep them! Thanks for the tip!
Hey Cyril! It can for some professional jobs. JAGs (people who have law degrees) come in as O-2s and promote to O-3 after 6 months. Nurses and Doctors immediately pin on a rank depending on their time in the medical profession. I met a brain surgeon with 20+ years experience who came in as an O-6. I know the Air Force also gives direct commissions to cyber security experts (come in at O-5/O-6). But 99% of officers come in at O-1.
Hey Handlez! They definitely do not. Bullets are expensive. I got to fire 3 clips of a 9mm five years ago at OTS and I haven't touched a gun in the Air Force since then.
Jake, what are the shortest Tech Schools generally speaking? I’m 37 college graduates with EE, have family kids. So, I’m planning going for Enlist so after basic training I want to graduate from Tech school quickly possible to join with my family. I’m afraid I’m end up getting longer Tech Schools. Where to find length of Tech Schools? Thank you.
Hey! I would go on the main reddit thread for the Air Force and ask this question. Enlisted people would give you great answers. I personally do not know! www.reddit.com/r/AirForce/
Jake, I have good credentials, in a full-time civilian job, thinking of doing Air National Guard. Would you be willing to answer a few questions offline?
I am in the process now and awaiting school. I would be part time, but I may want to go full time in my Officer position one day (I’m almost 100% that’s what I wanna do).
Of course! I think most who do go through OTS do not have STEM degrees. STEM applicants are rare, which is why the Air Force likes them. But have a non-STEM degree still qualifies you to apply for sure!
As an Active duty potato with 10,000 years of service, the military does more than just waste the tax payers money, we also excel at sexual assaults, racial discrimination, and domestic violence. We also treat our enlisted like goats. Semper pie 💪🏽
Hey Everyone! All information that I give in this video is from my perspective as an Air Force Officer. I eagerly admit my ignorance of life and operations in the other branches and I encourage you to seek out members from those services to learn more about them and how they differ from the experience that I give in this video.
If you found this video useful then give it a LIKE! It really helps out my channel. Also consider checking out my entire playlist on Military Finance topics: th-cam.com/play/PLscTZuOqKWIycpttIOB044CBFLdPpgiYu.html
The people that get to serve both enlisted and officer side really do get a unique experience
I agree! I love working with prior Es. They have the best stories!
I never really concerned myself by the whole officer enlisted rules. In 26 years as an officer working with enlisted folks, I never had an issue. In fact it was my joy to interact and spend off duty time with them. As a pilot, my crew were equals both officers and enlisted. I can remember my last redeployment from the ME. We landed in Greece and I said I was paying for the first round for all the great maintainers traveling aboard. We had a great afternoon sharing stories. Was I ever fearful, no. These were the guys and gals that allowed us to be successful. It was my pleasure to work and lead them to success.
In 21 years as an enlisted working with officers I always had issues. It seems like every time I saw an officer he was telling me to do stuff. Was I ever fearful, only of the Captain.
@@almoemason I wish I could have mentored you. My last enlisted payback was at Norfolk VA. Leading a small team of Marines and Sailors, a Snr Chief invited me to their enlisted club. It was an honor and reassuring that no one batted an eye seeing an AF LTC in a flight suit hanging out.
@@edjarrett3164 I did ok with the mentor I had. I made senior chief in 13 years. BTW looks like you were a typical stuffy officer, can you not recognize something said for it's humorous value and not a serious comment? Also, just so you know the only good marine is a submarine. STSCS(SS/SW) USN Ret.
As a senior enlisted in the Navy with close to 2 decades in Active Duty service and served in 2 joint commands with all services working for and with me, this video information is highly tailored coming from an Air Force perspective. I understand that is your speciality but do not misinform viewers that the same generalities applies to all services. I promise that e-mails and desk jobs are not what officers and senior enlisted Navy personnel do all day while deployed on a warship; speaking from firsthand experience. Constructive criticism because we work to do better so don’t take it personal. Great videos on your channel and a long time viewer so keep em coming and we’ll keep watching.
Absolutely! Full disclosure, I know very little about daily life in the other branches. I do my best to generalize my information here on TH-cam to reach the widest audience possible, but all of my information is biased as it is coming from an Air Force Officer. Even within the Air Force, the world of ICBMs is much different than the rest of the Air Force. I appreciate people from other branches leaving comments for those looking for more information. Thanks for the comment and support!
Great rundown of the processes and environments/cultures. The last OTS non-rated board ended up being canceled 1 weeks after I submitted my package for review. 5 months of preparation with little to show for it.
Well, hopefully your package can just be rolled in to the next board and you can be selected when they meet! Waiting sucks for sure! Best of luck Ben!
Thank you so much for posting this and other videos! I'm prior-E (currently, 2 years in), and was so pumped for starting to commission after getting my Bachelors, but this video help put things into a different perspective. Not discouraged, just rethinking. But I'm 37, so I'm going to need to choose soon!
It's a big decision! There also is no harm in applying and seeing if you get it. You can always decline it if selected if you change your mind (though everyone you work with would then think you are nuts). But you have to do what is best for you. Best of luck Rachael!
Sorry but I doubt it that I can make it
Awesome video Jake, I work in the defense industry and really love working with the military.
Haha, I was wondering what your connect was. We appreciate our civilian counterparts! Cheers Jackson!
I found you through your Graham Stephen’s course review and I got so excited to see you’re also an AF veteran...I got even more excited when you mentioned Minot AFB. That was my first duty station from 2013-2016. Just subbed!
Hey Mary! Awesome! Haha, don't you miss Minot? j/k
Welcome to the channel! Glad to have you with us!
Prior E here with 8 years that is looking to get back in. At first with the 20 year up or out concept, that was pushing me away from OTS, but then you clarified that having that prior time would mean I would only need to do 12 as an officer which could be a lot more feasible. Lot to consider, thanks for these very thorough videos!
Yep! I work with a lot of prior enlisted who went officer. Most will retire as a Major or a Captain without ever having to compete for promotion as an officer. Cheers Joel!
Thank you Jake! Very informative! Thank you for your service!
The junior officer/non-commissioned officer relationship was crucial for me during my initial years as an O-3. The E-7s were clutch. I even had the fortune of being in a department with two hard charging E-6s that made my transition and development in the military smooth.
That's awesome Alvin! I actually work in an ops squadron with 50+ other officers, so I really do not get this normal interaction with senior enlisted leadership. I wish I did, they sound amazing!
Thx for sharing your experience! The information is really well structured and concrete
Hey Jake, I'm currently at the end of my third year in Korea, second in the GOE. I appreciated finding your channel considering we have similar backgrounds and interests. I teach at a technical high school. We teach agriculture, mechanics, CNC machining, etc. Basically our school funnels the least well performing middle school students into our program and teaches them technical skills, which is great. It has a good mission, but I couldn't be less excited as an English teacher here and so I'm now considering joining the Air Force assuming I score well enough on the AFOQT. I'd very much like to become a pilot. However it feels a little intimidating coming from a school like mine where the expectations aren't high, students are allowed to sleep and use phones in class and then go from that to OTS and to a pilot. I feel like I'm suffering here at this school personally and professionally as there is very little challenge and too few students who have any interest in what I'm paid to do here.
Do you feel like teaching ESL was at all advantageous to you going forward in your career in the Air Force or in your interview? I'd like to do well during my interview as well though I feel like my resume is going to be a bit more barren than yours though I also have experience working on my school's newspaper as an editor. I have been studying Korean since I came here three years ago, and I'd say I'm relatively proficient--enough to speak about day to day topics with my friends and girlfriend. I'm curious what you felt helped you the most in your interview or application. Obviously you had quite a strong package all together.
Thanks for your videos and time!
Hey Joshua! I taught in a public Korean elementary school for six years. Singing days of the week and helping 5th graders with counting ordinal numbers did nothing to prepare me to be an Air Force officer. But that doesn't matter. Moving to the other side of the world to immerse yourself in another language and culture takes guts. Something a lot of Americans would never be willing to do.
If you want to be an Air Force officer you have to believe in yourself. You have to be your biggest fan and you have to sell yourself if you want the Air Force to invest in you. If you do not think you are great right now, then change that. Volunteer to do stuff. Seek out opportunities. Build your resume now. Prove that you are mentally and physically capable of succeeding as a pilot. Nothing is easy, but the people who made it all have one thing in comment, they tried and did not give up on the process or the goal of self-improvement. I have two videos coming next week about applying to OTS. Be sure to check those out!
@@JakeBroe thanks Jake! I think I just felt a little disheartened, but I think you're right. Part of selling oneself is just the confidence in knowing you can deal with challenges, and I know I can do that, but I'm also coming at this from an area I was raised in where going into the military is not exactly a positive thing haha so I probably have some inner doubts I need to eliminate. It is definitely something I want. I'll keep a lookout for your next videos and further opportunities to strengthen my resume. I appreciate your encouragement!
Great comparison video, Jake! As an AD O, a lot of these things definitely ring true for USN as well.
Awesome! Thanks for the comment and support Travis!
This is an excellent overview that brought me clarity.
Hi Jake, I've been watching your videos for a hot minute, but I didn't know you taught English in Korea prior to service! By looking at the Korean flag and picture of Seoul from other videos, I knew you would have some Korean background other than serving there for few years haha. I am a Korean American currently serving in the USAF as a enlistee. I find your videos very helpful since I am always interested in finance and credit! I appreciate your hard work as an officer as well as a TH-camr!
Awesome! Yeah, I taught in a public elementary school in Gwangju for six years. I loved it and really miss the lifestyle there (but not the job). I am glad you found my channel and I hope you get a lot of value from my videos! Cheers!
Could you do a video explaining officer assignments? Like the entire process of how we get selected to our next bases and what steps we play in that. Thanks!
Hey Zac! I have some videos coming soon about TFOT/OTS. As for base assignments, that is up to AFPC. You can put your base preferences, but the Air Force is going to send you wherever they want and you have to go. Special considerations are given to service members who are married to other service members or have family with certain medical conditions, but otherwise you have to be ready to go anywhere.
@@JakeBroe love it! I’m ready to see this world!
Good video I decided to enlist in the af reserves because I wanted to pick my job and not the recruiter, enlisted with a bachelors but it turn out to be worth it since I passed bmt and a difficult tech school this year with a pandemic going on can always commission after my contract ends. One big downside of enlisted is if the person dont do well in tech school the person choose from a list of jobs that have a lower asvab score which kinda sucks dont know how officer tech schools are.
Congrats on graduating tech school! Best of luck to you as you are starting out your military career. You can always commission later down the road!
Jake another option is the Army Warrant Officer Pilot program
I'll respectfully disagree on the promotion. 😀 The promotion rate to O-4 has been 100%, O-5 normally above 50%. The rates are significantly lower for E-6/7. We always made jokes about Os and most prior Es would agree. Have pulse, will promote! LOL. In my 27 years, I only met one person who couldn't make 0-4/5 and she was sleeping with an E. LoL I do agree with the politics. I've had many Lts and Capts ask me to attend a meeting with them because they knew I would say what needed to be said and the WG/CC would likely agree with me. I would tell my MOO all the time I'm not here to play politics, I'm there to make the mission happen. E8/9 were given lots of latitude, that's why it takes a 4-star to demote . They want you to have the ability to say what needs to be said in order to protect your enlisted Airmen. Overall good video, but tough one to make. Personally, I think you gave too much credit to the officer influence on enlisted EPRs, Decorations, and assignments. They play a very small role, with the exception of final approval. Most of the time they will always concur if their Chief does. But, you're an O in a world where there's very few enlisted so I understand why you think that way. I also believe your view from the ICBM world is very different from how the rest of the AF operates. And it should, entirely different mission.
Hey Rob! For sure, everything varies from branch to branch and career field to career field. I have met good senior Captains that wanted to stay in and failed to promote to Major (black marked for fucking up as a Lt 8 years earlier). I also know Majors who failed to make Lt Col and they are being pushed out right now. Most officers who suck at leading people and making decisions just eliminate themselves and get out because the job is so uncomfortable for them. Nobody at age 18 can really know that this is what they want for themselves when they agree to do ROTC or the Academy.
You are also correct that the world of missiles is very different from the rest of the Air Force. I am in an ops squadron right now with 60 other officers. I am 5 years in to my service and have never been directly responsible or in charge of anyone other than a single deputy Lt. My job is to pull alert and be in the missile field. I work with enlisted people, but I am not directly in charge of them. That will change eventually of course! Cheers!
Hey Jake! I think the promotions work very differently in the ICBM world, fingers on the trigger so no time to "rehabilitate".
It's just not that common for Os to separate due to not being promoted in the AF, overall.
I've said for years, Aircraft Maintenance Officers are more equipped to lead large orgs. A brand new 2Lt arrives and their first position is a Flight Commander in-charge of more than 100 airmen. That's probably the smallest number they'll ever lead. They do this with the assistance of a strong MSgt/SMSgt by their side.
I think it's difficult for any officer to give their opinion on the inner workings of the enlisted force. You would think they do, but they really know nothing about it. I've talked to many full birds who truly had no clue how our assignment system works, promotion system works, etc. That's not being disrespectful, just a fact. That's why they have Chiefs. That's what I've been told many times. I have you for that, Chief. 🤣🤣🤣
i love this explanation. thank you
Very informative! Thank you!
What is process for an immigrant, who has acquired permanent residency status and wants to join the OTC with a foreign degree.
As long as you can qualify for a secret or probably for AF Top Secret clearance and you are a citizen should have no issue. Though idk if they will take the degree or not.
Officer or enlisted? Enlisted USMC delayed entry with two other high school buddies and we were on the yellow MCRD San Diego dark thirty June 2, 1980. Near the end of "acclimation" I was called to the table of brass for the offer of OTC - a day or so before Drill Instructors picked us up.
Said brass made the offer explaining only a vague timeline of events and length of tour, to a stupid seventeen y/o small town kid who didn't know what the heck he'd gotten himself into. Not one peep about actual duties (I originally wanted Force Recon) so I respectfully declined. My Major mistake on several fronts. The brass was offended by the declination.
Had I understood what was included in officer training, I might have flown Cobra choppers or made Recon elements. Could have retired with rank (even if only time in grade) and full pension at 45 y/o. At the same time I did learn as enlisted, hands on skills that have proven quite valuable, not overwhelmingly cash profitable.
In retrospect, I should have taken OTC. BTW, Marine Corps OTC is (or was ) in no way connected to ROTC. Different critters. eom
I entered the Army as enlisted after my 4 year degree. At the time it was more about picking my job (JAG enlisted) and 4 years vs 6 years.
That's a good job! I volunteered in my base's legal office for a little and if I could pick an enlisted job, I would want to be a paralegal.
Enlisted Airforce is like being an officer in the army
Lmao
I failed my physical. I have Psoriasis. They were afraid my back would really peel in the jungle.
Haha, most people were trying to avoid the jungle. Sounds like you were trying to go!
Gotta ask, was missiles your initial interest and if so for which reasons? Just curious!
Would love to see a video about your AFSC, the world would benefit from more exposure to the 13N life!
Hey Tony! I actually just uploaded this exact video on Airman Vision's website for them. Check it out! th-cam.com/video/3kkYfKpG5qc/w-d-xo.html
I was enlisted (4yrs) and dont get me wrong I am proud to have served, BUT if I could back 2 the future my time I would have pursued my commission as a officer...😂 Reason being well...the military has a simple old saying "rank has its privileges"...😎
Haha, for sure, there are intangibles. As an officer I am given more independence and managed less it feels like. That definitely has a quality of life value. Cheers!
A few questions you mentioned that you entered the Air Force with roughly $40,000 in student loan debts did they resolve that debt I think referred to as loan forgiveness? And second question were there certain jobs within the Air Force whether it’s enlisted or officer that you noticed got stationed in Europe, more often than other jobs?that is my goal is to be stationed in Europe
I believe loan forgiveness in the Air Force is if you make consistent on time payments for ten years they pay off the rest. There might be other programs or special circumstances I’m not exactly informed on though.
Why not Minot it wasn’t as bad as they make it out to be. But those winters
I am about to enter as a chaplain and I want to do 20 years active duty. If they show me the door at 16 years, I’ll be so mad! LOL
Hey Zac! As long as you are average or above average compared to your peers, you should be fine. I don't know what promotion rates are for chaplains, you can ask this if you know any. Additionally, for O-4s who don't make O-5, many go guard or reserve to get 20 good years and they still will collect the pension, they just have to wait until age 60 to start it. There are also other government agencies that count military years towards their pension, so there are lots of options in this scenario.
@@JakeBroe they say that chaplains promote slower, which is totally understandable. Since they are considered non-commanding or line officers, I would assume they want to stick around as long as they can keep them! Thanks for the tip!
Hey Jake, can you give us more information about the available majors/schools that participate in the rotc program for grad students?
That’s an incredibly easy google search. If you can’t even find that out on your own, I wouldn’t even attempt to commission and lead other people
Hey Xavier! I know nothing about this, but I can look in to it. Cheers!
Does having a masters degree and work experience change where you hop in as an officer? Say an O3/4 vs O1
Hey Cyril! It can for some professional jobs. JAGs (people who have law degrees) come in as O-2s and promote to O-3 after 6 months. Nurses and Doctors immediately pin on a rank depending on their time in the medical profession. I met a brain surgeon with 20+ years experience who came in as an O-6. I know the Air Force also gives direct commissions to cyber security experts (come in at O-5/O-6). But 99% of officers come in at O-1.
Enlisting for that Navy Fed!
Congrats DE! I wish you luck in the service!
navy federal card? what are some pros and cons about it? thanks
Do they let you shoot as much ammunition as you want?
Hey Handlez! They definitely do not. Bullets are expensive. I got to fire 3 clips of a 9mm five years ago at OTS and I haven't touched a gun in the Air Force since then.
Jake, what are the shortest Tech Schools generally speaking? I’m 37 college graduates with EE, have family kids. So, I’m planning going for Enlist so after basic training I want to graduate from Tech school quickly possible to join with my family. I’m afraid I’m end up getting longer Tech Schools. Where to find length of Tech Schools? Thank you.
Hey! I would go on the main reddit thread for the Air Force and ask this question. Enlisted people would give you great answers. I personally do not know! www.reddit.com/r/AirForce/
@@JakeBroe understood. Good informative video you posted. Thanks!
Can you become an officer in the Air Force Reserves?
You sure can Archer!
Hey Jake ! Graduating with my masters this year trying to decided if commissioning or enlisted is the better route. What do you think ???
Hey Jordan! Depends if you have the time to wait to go to OTS. Check out my video on how long that process takes.
@@JakeBroe gotcha I graduate in December I’ll probably start the process in June or July
Jake, I have good credentials, in a full-time civilian job, thinking of doing Air National Guard. Would you be willing to answer a few questions offline?
Hey Spinattitude! You can message me on instagram: jakebroe
@@JakeBroe I don't use Instagram, Facebook?
Is there an option to go full time from part time as an officer?
If you mean go from guard/reserve to active duty, then yes!
I am in the process now and awaiting school. I would be part time, but I may want to go full time in my Officer position one day (I’m almost 100% that’s what I wanna do).
Would it be possible not to have a STEM degree and still be able to commission as a non-prior officer?
Of course! I think most who do go through OTS do not have STEM degrees. STEM applicants are rare, which is why the Air Force likes them. But have a non-STEM degree still qualifies you to apply for sure!
@@JakeBroe Awesome!
As an Active duty potato with 10,000 years of service, the military does more than just waste the tax payers money, we also excel at sexual assaults, racial discrimination, and domestic violence. We also treat our enlisted like goats. Semper pie 💪🏽
I hope you have a good day Trenzcv
Great information! Certainly very helpful for people considering military service and which path to pursue.
Thanks so much Sam! Cheers!