Firstly I have to properly learn it by myself :D There is one cool guy that talks a lot about mix voice - Bohemian Studio, maybe you will find some helpful stuff on his channel as well :)
Hey! Thank you for another great video! I have a question, when you mix the distortion with the clean voice, it sounds different than the fry noise....is it the same vibration that we feel during the exercises or does it change to the false vocal chords?
Hi! Methods in this video are something different than the fry noise (that "little fry scream"), but of course you can use the fry noise/ fry distortion to create much more aggressive sound. The first example that comes to my mind is Phil Anselmo from Pantera, but also Courtney Love from Hole. From what I observe, the higher voice someone has or the more fry scream someone is using for vocals, the easier it will be to use fry noise instead of the vocal fry with compression for singing with distortion. Btw. that's funny because today I was wondering how is your raspy singing, if you had any questions or recordings, feel free to write to me anytime!
@@sibilaextremevocal i just finished recording a cover with the help of this video haha I'll send you to your email.... it's the actual first time I record something with a different distortion that doesn't sound like cookie monster 🤣
All the exercises were fry, but then when you switch to the "yeah" and especially the singing examples, it sounds more like you're mixing in false cord instead? I'm confused 😅
I understand there are different vocal distortions, I just don't understand the logic of exercising fry only to suddenly change to false cord, and not really show the fry-related vocal distortions. I was expecting it to stay in the fry realm of sounds. Whereas if the goal is false cord sounds, I would have thought false cord exercises would be better to get you there. If that makes sense. Trying to make that "yeah" sound if you stay with the fry exercises in the first part of the video doesn't really work, you have to change. So what was the point of the fry exercises? 😅 It feels like maybe you leapt somewhere else, because it's so easy for you that you forget the perspective of the beginners? idk
Hi! I re-watched the video (it was shot 2 years ago) and I will put it to the first factors for you, because my previous reply wasn't precise enough. The 1st exercise - clean voice - vocal fry - clean voice: It's serves to build the coordination (smooth transition between the vocal fry or anything fry related and our clean voice) and warm-up the voice. I see that this exercise is helpful both for making the first steps towards singing with distorton and fry scream. The 2nd exercise - the purpose is the same as above. Also for some people that version is a little bit harder, but once they get it, it's much easier for them to combine the vocal fry with the clean voice for achieving a basic distortion for singing. The 3rd exercise - it serves to combine the vocal fry with compression and the breath support (that slight "push" I talk about in the video), and the clean voice. Once the first two exercises are easy to do, the 3rd one is really effective to achieve singing with distortion. Some people, including me, not always, but often, automatically engage false vocal folds during that exercise, but from what I hear I didnt do it in this one. "(...) and not really show the fry-related vocal distortions" - that point is not correct at all, sorry. I see that I used a term "driller" in the video, but the driller in my first reply to your comment was about something different and more false cord related. Here is the "driller" in a context of false vocal folds engagement (that video is also about more false cord aproach for singing with distortion): th-cam.com/video/Bmoq7WGrGEk/w-d-xo.html The 4th exercise - you are right that "yeah" is more false cord related, but I don't think I ever used a term "false cord" in the video, so I wasn't aiming for the false vocal folds engagement, but I guess it was something automatic and I missed it, because it was pretty natural for me. Indeed, it can be confusing, but mostly for people that learn vocals by imitating the sounds that they hear. Learning only by imitating sounds of other people can be effective but also dangerous, because it's not about imitation of the sound itself but using a proper mechanics that leads towards achieving a specific sound, otherwise you can get a sound like someone else, but in a totally wrong way! If someone will get a basic distortion like the one I show in the 3rd exercise and then follows the instructions for the 4th one, I don't think it will be confusing at all. Our sounds will be simply different and that's ok, because each voice is a little bit different. I will record an example to show you the difference and that "yeah" can work good for both types of distortion. "Whereas if the goal is false cord sounds, I would have thought false cord exercises would be better to get you there". The goal is not the false cord, but being able to achieve a distortion for singing. Each way is different and results in different sounds, and that's ok, because there are songs that demans heavier distortion and those that require something more delicate. The biggest imperfection of the video is that I missed the fact that I engage the false vocal folds automatically during the 4th exercise, but still if someone will follow the instructions, not trying to only imitate the sound, it can be performed properly. If you want to learn the more "false cord related" distortion, check out the video I mentioned earlier or focus on the first three exercises in this one. From what I observe while practicing with my students, the most effective way is to firstly master one type of distortion (usually the easiest one to learn at first is the heavier one), then work on the another one, and then try to find a "sweet spot" between both to create one, consistent stye that allows you to make a delicate raspy voice but also to make it more aggressive and intense at will or the opposite, depending on the dynamics of the song. Singing with distortion 1st part - heavier distortion: th-cam.com/video/Bmoq7WGrGEk/w-d-xo.html Singing with distortion 2nd part - lighter distortion: th-cam.com/video/jHGRXct3SMw/w-d-xo.html Singing with distortion - additional exercise for the more delicate distortion, but also for finding the sweet spot between two types of distortion: th-cam.com/video/fT9GIZOiOI8/w-d-xo.html Example of yeah with the vocal fry and compression + clean voice, example of combining false cord distortion with clean voice, example of the "sweet spot" between those two:
Thanks for that last link, I think it makes things much more clear and shows better how the different techniques relate. Perhaps you could do a video more like that for everyone one day, it could be very helpful. I guess also maybe I wasn't clear what I meant about not showing fry distortions - that was more about how at the end you did the more false cord sounding distorted singing, whereas of course I know the exercises including the "driller" were very fry. That's what I meant, like showing fry exercises, but not showing really how that is used in a real singing example (as in with lyrics and melody rather than just simple exercises). Sorry if I'm not explaining well what I mean. But how you explained in the google drive link makes much more sense, because you show fry vs false cord and finding the balance, then singing examples of the difference, so now we can understand why you showed us those fry exercises to begin with and what they help us achieve. Without the understanding of finding the balance though, the original video was a bit confusing and seems to jump to the end without explaining the middle. I hope that clears my meaning up. The google drive clip is like that middle that was missing, so now it does make sense! :) Anyway thank you for answering my questions, I hope I didn't seem rude, I was just giving feedback on how the video could become better. I think it's really cool how you actually answer people and try to help so much. Not many vocal coaches on TH-cam do. I'm not so much a beginner, but I like to watch you because you're different both in approach and how nice you are to help everyone, and sometimes I still find it useful to see your different perspectives ^_^
I know you are not a beginner, I have to check out your covers :D It's good you want me to clarify things and I appreciate your effort because that's helpful for everyone watching this video and also for me as an "instructor"!
Mate, I love your videos, but this is not how you try to sing with rasp. I guess you tend put too much pressure on vocal chords. Maybe try to sing with your full voice and then get louder till it creates a natural 'raspy' sound(not too loud though). After that, you should try to sing with more quality, instead of loudness.Then the pressure should be more on your stomach, rathen than on your throat. When you get good at it, you can try what you are doing right now, I mean you can put a thick layer of rasp over your clean voice. However, it's going to be in a slightly different part of your throat, so that you will be able to put the rasp on the higher notes. There would be no need for pushing, like you do right now. No offence please, wish u well and good luck !
I don't put too much pressure on my vocal folds whatever I do with my voice and definitely not in this video. I know how does it feel to do it because I've done this for a couple of first 2 years of my vocal practice from 2012 to 2014 and it's not something that I would like to show anyone as a "teacher". :D Another thing - distorting my voice by amplifying it to the point where it distorts - that's also not a good observation because I whenever I tried to do something like that it was very painful. Even during my first weeks of practice I've realised that for me it it's something that kills my voice. You are right - investing in precision and quality of the sound (both clean and distorted) is something more valuable than trying to be very loud but I don't see too deep connection with what I do in the video because the distortion is a result of operating with compression and false vocal folds. If my voice is naturally louder I will not try to "mute it" because this is something that creates constrictions and decreases comfort. The next point - stomach. Actually stomach is not the best place to gather tension and the term "stomach" is way too general to activate proper muscles. Core muscles in belly and back are something more specific - areas of solar plexus, navel, underbelly, sides, muscles between ribs and the area of mid-low/ low and mid-high back - this is something more specific and I can guarantee you that everything works there as it should. Maybe in this video it's not as good as now (it was recorded around August 2019) because from 2020 I attended opera singing lessons (my teacher is also a voice therapist so she knows her shit good and I am grateful for her lessons because she helped me to deepen my knowledge and technical skills better than reading CVT book 4 times). The way I sing in the video is not the best for singing very high notes, that's for sure - the sound is simply too heavy but it's not about the placement of the distortion but about the resonance and being able to use the upper resonators more effectively. This is something I learnt from my teacher but also from really cool guy who is also opera singer and singing teacher. Thanks to them my singing technique and being able to sing higher notes without too much effort has improved very much but still it didn't affect the way I use distortion because not the distortion was the case to improve. There are few good points that you made and if the video was recorded even 2-3 months ago I would work on that but it's almost 3 years old now and many things have improved. Some of your points were not too precise but thanks for your comment and opinions anyway, Take care!
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Hi Ceres! Thank you, I am happy you appreciate the stuff on channel, have a great day! :)
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i wish u teach us how to sing in mixed voice
Firstly I have to properly learn it by myself :D
There is one cool guy that talks a lot about mix voice - Bohemian Studio, maybe you will find some helpful stuff on his channel as well :)
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Hey! I want to sing like alexi laiho and Jari Mäenpää so what ı need to sing like them fry? Distortion? Or more?
Hi! Learning the fry scream technique and how to sing with distortion would be very helpful! Beside that a mix voice could be also useful.
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Hey! Thank you for another great video!
I have a question, when you mix the distortion with the clean voice, it sounds different than the fry noise....is it the same vibration that we feel during the exercises or does it change to the false vocal chords?
Hi! Methods in this video are something different than the fry noise (that "little fry scream"), but of course you can use the fry noise/ fry distortion to create much more aggressive sound.
The first example that comes to my mind is Phil Anselmo from Pantera, but also Courtney Love from Hole.
From what I observe, the higher voice someone has or the more fry scream someone is using for vocals, the easier it will be to use fry noise instead of the vocal fry with compression for singing with distortion.
Btw. that's funny because today I was wondering how is your raspy singing, if you had any questions or recordings, feel free to write to me anytime!
@@sibilaextremevocal i just finished recording a cover with the help of this video haha I'll send you to your email.... it's the actual first time I record something with a different distortion that doesn't sound like cookie monster 🤣
Awesome, I can't wait to listen!
Oh Dude! I send you a huge thank you. Can you read my mind? That's what i wanted to practice 💝🤘thanks a lot
Oh, that's awesome, haha :D I'm glad you've found what you needed!
@@sibilaextremevocal I really appreciate your work. Your videos help me a lot. Thank you 💝🤘
All the exercises were fry, but then when you switch to the "yeah" and especially the singing examples, it sounds more like you're mixing in false cord instead? I'm confused 😅
I understand there are different vocal distortions, I just don't understand the logic of exercising fry only to suddenly change to false cord, and not really show the fry-related vocal distortions. I was expecting it to stay in the fry realm of sounds. Whereas if the goal is false cord sounds, I would have thought false cord exercises would be better to get you there. If that makes sense. Trying to make that "yeah" sound if you stay with the fry exercises in the first part of the video doesn't really work, you have to change. So what was the point of the fry exercises? 😅 It feels like maybe you leapt somewhere else, because it's so easy for you that you forget the perspective of the beginners? idk
Hi! I re-watched the video (it was shot 2 years ago) and I will put it to the first factors for you, because my previous reply wasn't precise enough.
The 1st exercise - clean voice - vocal fry - clean voice:
It's serves to build the coordination (smooth transition between the vocal fry or anything fry related and our clean voice) and warm-up the voice. I see that this exercise is helpful both for making the first steps towards singing with distorton and fry scream.
The 2nd exercise - the purpose is the same as above. Also for some people that version is a little bit harder, but once they get it, it's much easier for them to combine the vocal fry with the clean voice for achieving a basic distortion for singing.
The 3rd exercise - it serves to combine the vocal fry with compression and the breath support (that slight "push" I talk about in the video), and the clean voice. Once the first two exercises are easy to do, the 3rd one is really effective to achieve singing with distortion.
Some people, including me, not always, but often, automatically engage false vocal folds during that exercise, but from what I hear I didnt do it in this one.
"(...) and not really show the fry-related vocal distortions" - that point is not correct at all, sorry.
I see that I used a term "driller" in the video, but the driller in my first reply to your comment was about something different and more false cord related.
Here is the "driller" in a context of false vocal folds engagement (that video is also about more false cord aproach for singing with distortion):
th-cam.com/video/Bmoq7WGrGEk/w-d-xo.html
The 4th exercise - you are right that "yeah" is more false cord related, but I don't think I ever used a term "false cord" in the video, so I wasn't aiming for the false vocal folds engagement, but I guess it was something automatic and I missed it, because it was pretty natural for me.
Indeed, it can be confusing, but mostly for people that learn vocals by imitating the sounds that they hear. Learning only by imitating sounds of other people can be effective but also dangerous, because it's not about imitation of the sound itself but using a proper mechanics that leads towards achieving a specific sound, otherwise you can get a sound like someone else, but in a totally wrong way!
If someone will get a basic distortion like the one I show in the 3rd exercise and then follows the instructions for the 4th one, I don't think it will be confusing at all. Our sounds will be simply different and that's ok, because each voice is a little bit different. I will record an example to show you the difference and that "yeah" can work good for both types of distortion.
"Whereas if the goal is false cord sounds, I would have thought false cord exercises would be better to get you there". The goal is not the false cord, but being able to achieve a distortion for singing. Each way is different and results in different sounds, and that's ok, because there are songs that demans heavier distortion and those that require something more delicate.
The biggest imperfection of the video is that I missed the fact that I engage the false vocal folds automatically during the 4th exercise, but still if someone will follow the instructions, not trying to only imitate the sound, it can be performed properly.
If you want to learn the more "false cord related" distortion, check out the video I mentioned earlier or focus on the first three exercises in this one.
From what I observe while practicing with my students, the most effective way is to firstly master one type of distortion (usually the easiest one to learn at first is the heavier one), then work on the another one, and then try to find a "sweet spot" between both to create one, consistent stye that allows you to make a delicate raspy voice but also to make it more aggressive and intense at will or the opposite, depending on the dynamics of the song.
Singing with distortion 1st part - heavier distortion:
th-cam.com/video/Bmoq7WGrGEk/w-d-xo.html
Singing with distortion 2nd part - lighter distortion:
th-cam.com/video/jHGRXct3SMw/w-d-xo.html
Singing with distortion - additional exercise for the more delicate distortion, but also for finding the sweet spot between two types of distortion:
th-cam.com/video/fT9GIZOiOI8/w-d-xo.html
Example of yeah with the vocal fry and compression + clean voice, example of combining false cord distortion with clean voice, example of the "sweet spot" between those two:
drive.google.com/file/d/1keOBHlnI1hDHYYyQs6CjvODzLFf25lkv/view?usp=sharing
Thanks for that last link, I think it makes things much more clear and shows better how the different techniques relate. Perhaps you could do a video more like that for everyone one day, it could be very helpful.
I guess also maybe I wasn't clear what I meant about not showing fry distortions - that was more about how at the end you did the more false cord sounding distorted singing, whereas of course I know the exercises including the "driller" were very fry. That's what I meant, like showing fry exercises, but not showing really how that is used in a real singing example (as in with lyrics and melody rather than just simple exercises). Sorry if I'm not explaining well what I mean. But how you explained in the google drive link makes much more sense, because you show fry vs false cord and finding the balance, then singing examples of the difference, so now we can understand why you showed us those fry exercises to begin with and what they help us achieve. Without the understanding of finding the balance though, the original video was a bit confusing and seems to jump to the end without explaining the middle. I hope that clears my meaning up. The google drive clip is like that middle that was missing, so now it does make sense! :)
Anyway thank you for answering my questions, I hope I didn't seem rude, I was just giving feedback on how the video could become better. I think it's really cool how you actually answer people and try to help so much. Not many vocal coaches on TH-cam do. I'm not so much a beginner, but I like to watch you because you're different both in approach and how nice you are to help everyone, and sometimes I still find it useful to see your different perspectives ^_^
I know you are not a beginner, I have to check out your covers :D
It's good you want me to clarify things and I appreciate your effort because that's helpful for everyone watching this video and also for me as an "instructor"!
Theo Von was right, he can sing
Mate, I love your videos, but this is not how you try to sing with rasp. I guess you tend put too much pressure on vocal chords. Maybe try to sing with your full voice and then get louder till it creates a natural 'raspy' sound(not too loud though). After that, you should try to sing with more quality, instead of loudness.Then the pressure should be more on your stomach, rathen than on your throat. When you get good at it, you can try what you are doing right now, I mean you can put a thick layer of rasp over your clean voice. However, it's going to be in a slightly different part of your throat, so that you will be able to put the rasp on the higher notes. There would be no need for pushing, like you do right now. No offence please, wish u well and good luck !
I don't put too much pressure on my vocal folds whatever I do with my voice and definitely not in this video. I know how does it feel to do it because I've done this for a couple of first 2 years of my vocal practice from 2012 to 2014 and it's not something that I would like to show anyone as a "teacher". :D
Another thing - distorting my voice by amplifying it to the point where it distorts - that's also not a good observation because I whenever I tried to do something like that it was very painful. Even during my first weeks of practice I've realised that for me it it's something that kills my voice.
You are right - investing in precision and quality of the sound (both clean and distorted) is something more valuable than trying to be very loud but I don't see too deep connection with what I do in the video because the distortion is a result of operating with compression and false vocal folds. If my voice is naturally louder I will not try to "mute it" because this is something that creates constrictions and decreases comfort.
The next point - stomach. Actually stomach is not the best place to gather tension and the term "stomach" is way too general to activate proper muscles. Core muscles in belly and back are something more specific - areas of solar plexus, navel, underbelly, sides, muscles between ribs and the area of mid-low/ low and mid-high back - this is something more specific and I can guarantee you that everything works there as it should. Maybe in this video it's not as good as now (it was recorded around August 2019) because from 2020 I attended opera singing lessons (my teacher is also a voice therapist so she knows her shit good and I am grateful for her lessons because she helped me to deepen my knowledge and technical skills better than reading CVT book 4 times).
The way I sing in the video is not the best for singing very high notes, that's for sure - the sound is simply too heavy but it's not about the placement of the distortion but about the resonance and being able to use the upper resonators more effectively. This is something I learnt from my teacher but also from really cool guy who is also opera singer and singing teacher. Thanks to them my singing technique and being able to sing higher notes without too much effort has improved very much but still it didn't affect the way I use distortion because not the distortion was the case to improve.
There are few good points that you made and if the video was recorded even 2-3 months ago I would work on that but it's almost 3 years old now and many things have improved. Some of your points were not too precise but thanks for your comment and opinions anyway,
Take care!