the Las Vegas Loop is stupid
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- In early January I stayed at Resorts World and attended CES 2023, so I got a free pass for the Las Vegas Loop. I admit I thought it was convenient the first time I took it, but that may have been the cold talking. Let's talk about the stupidity that is reinventing a worse subway and lauding it as the future.
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"I'm a millionaire and *I* don't want to use public transit with filthy, smelly working class people, so I decide that NO ONE can use it." He even admitted it. Omg
‘Billionaire’ which is even more disgusting imo
Robert Moses pt. 2
There are so many solutions to his very personal problem. A guillotine is involved in just one of them.
I wouldn’t either honestly 🤷
@@issahumps 😎 👊
A few months ago I watched a documentary on the Mont Blanc tunnel fire. For those who don't know in 1999 a transport truck caught fire driving through this tunnel between France and Italy. The driver of the truck ended up stopping 6 km (about 3.7 miles) into the tunnel, which was about half way through. Because of the lack of emergency access points or exists in this over 7 mile long tunnel, there was no way for other people also traveling through the tunnel to escape. There were no automatic smoke sensors or cameras in the tunnel so the fire had to be reported by an employee who saw smoke. The tunnel ventilation system trapped the toxic smoke inside, suffocating many of the drivers and emergency responders who became trapped. At one point firefighters tried to take refuge in one of the fireproof rooms designed for an emergency like this, but the fire burned so hot that the room was insufficient to save them. All in all 39 people died.
I know this was a long winded explanation of a disaster that happened nearly 24 years ago, but looking at Musk's tunnels all I can think is that something like this is inevitable. They look like fucking death traps. There's no way to escape they're so narrow, there aren't any emergency access points, and I can't imagine they've built things like fire cubicles for people to escape to if there ever is a fire. Considering Teslas run on lithium ion batteries which are prone to things like, idk, catching on fire, I am terrified that people are going to die in this tunnel. Elon Musk never thinks his ideas through, and it's very clear that his engineers haven't even taken basic safety measures in building this tunnel.
Anyways sorry for the long rant, love your videos, and thanks for talking about this!
And it was somehow approved by the city, make it make sense.
I was literally thinking about this!!! It’s basically only a matter of time.
You’ve forgotten: American lives don’t matter to our elected officials, all parties. We’re just hostages.
@@imjustdandy9799 right?? That’s the other thing I was thinking of, I wonder if the city is liable if any disasters do happen even if it seems like the majority of the work and profits only include Musk’s company.
It's Nevada. We don't expect them to do the smart thing over there, usually.
Driving in a white concrete tunnel all day would make me so depressed😥 One thing I really appreciate of public transport like buses or trains, as a disabled person, is being able to just look outside and see the town while going to point A to point B since there's places I wouldn't be able to walk to and I can't drive. It's a small thing but it really makes a difference when it comes to longer routes to not feel so disconnected from the outside world and actually notice things while going around.
You are pretty 😍
I am also disabled and dont drive and thats why I LOVE taking the train. I can get up and walk and not be in pain unlike a long bus ride or even a flight. I was shocked my tiny town has a train to Chicago. I live in Michigan and tried to take a train to Detroit thinking it would be as easy as the Chicago one and I ended up waiting 7 hours to change trains because there was no train that went straight to the major cities. I had to go halfway across the state to transfer even though I live like an hour 45 away via car. I wish so much that The U.S had more money put in train travel because its such a great way to get places.
Good point! Me personally I enjoy the local bus rides through the city getting to see everyone on the streets n stuff… and this is… just… just not good at all
To be fair there is not alot to be seen in the subway either although the subway is far more useful, personally I dislike the train because it's always so hot in summer where as the subway is air conditioned which is personally more important to me than the view
@@resolecca bummer, in Perth we ONLY have above ground trains but it's so hot here in summer that they are all air conditioned. As well as all buses.
It might be nice if it had larger cars, maybe more than one attached together- so all kinds of people could travel at once. But maybe that technology doesn't exist yet.
Plus it could also run on electricity too.
Ikr, sounds like science fiction
@@Yvonne-Bella and maybe not even rubber tires that need replacing pretty often.
And also, maybe, completely separated from car traffic? Underground or lifted above the streets? Would make it immune to traffic jams, idk, that might be an incentive to use it, hm. Crazy concept.
You're out of your mind. Nothing like this would ever catch on - especially in large metro areas like NYC or London.
This loop thing seems like an accident waiting to happen, if one of those teslas catches on fire (as they are known to do) everyone in there is screwed
Yes there’s actually a tunnel in France where something like this happened, it ended in a total disaster and the tunnel was a big one and not as long; i can’t imagine how much even more disastrous an accident in the loop could be !
No they are not screwed. The smoke rated exhaust fans suck the smoke away and the passengers simply jump in the next EV behind or in front of the, and simply drive to the nearest station which are closer than the exits on a subway.
@@andrewfranklin4429 do u ever get tired simping for Elon?
@@guardianoftheduat Perhaps you’re unused to someone who actually supports their position with facts and data rather than engaging in the usual snarky one-liners?
For the record I am disgusted by Musk’s pivot to Right wing politics and conspiracy theories and inability to shut up (not to mention his Twitter Debacle).
So do you happen to have any useful critique of the data I have presented?
@@andrewfranklin4429 lol yeah, they'd be fucking roasted in there.
Trains are good
Cars are bad
Horses are chaotic neutral
Horses on trains : lawful evil
This might be the first time I see another wtyp-er in the wild^^
My particular suburb’s interstate entrance - and none of the others, even further into the countryside - had a big sign expressly forbidding riding your horse on said interstate. I always wanted to meet the person who inspired them to put up that sign because you know there was one. 🤣
Another WTYP person here! The cars need to be more rigid!!!!
@@sabrinabeeart more rigid!
Fyi there are no emergency exits in the tunnels because each segment is just short of the length that would necessitate an emergency exit. I heard it was intentionally designed to avoid the regulation requiring emergency exits.
That's some Mike's Hard Yikes my dude. Imagine being so penny pinching that you look for these sort of regulations so you can design your uber-exclusive highway tolls to be genuine menaces to society and a hazard to the average citizen.
That is so dumb.
Omg as soon as someone noticed this they just should've put constuction/review on hold and modified the regulations to shut that "loophole"! Safety regulations exist for good reasons.
Lol there are no situation where you dont need an emergency exit. If someone is having a heart attack halfway through they NEED an exit
Lol there are no situation where you dont need an emergency exit. If someone is having a heart attack halfway through they NEED an exit
Not only does the tunnel not have emergency exits, it also lacks a ventilation system or fire suppression system. So if the Tesla breaks down and you have to walk to an emergency exit you'll probably suffocate due to lack of fresh oxygen. If their is a fire in the car your probably screwed because one, no suppression system and two no access to reach you or you get out. These tunnels do nothing to alleviate traffic. The whole thing is a brain fart from a narcissistic imbecile who had the money to see it through to the end.
Also, the article you mention is well worth the read.
how did you comment this 10 hours ago if the video was released like 6 minutes ago?
It sounds terrifying!!
@@reyshah426 probably a channel member or something who gets early access.
@@reyshah426 people from patreon can watch the videos early
@@tom_j. makes sense!
It should be noted that many of his projects are subsidized by tax payer money, and the Tesla Loop was created in California to fight off the state from building better train infrastructure. He could build trains, (or just tell his engineers to build better trains) in a safer more efficient manner than our conventional subways work. He could even slap his logo on the trains and call them "Tesla Movers" or something I dont care, but telsa is a car company, and a healthier train infrastrucutre would get more people out of cars and use public transit instead. And that doesn't help Tesla.
You’ve got it completely back-to-front John. If this was a subway project, taxpayers would indeed be saddled with an enormous debt of tens of billions of dollars.
However, because of the incredibly low $20 million per mile cost of Loop tunnels it has allowed the Boring Co to build the 65 miles of tunnels in the upcoming greater Las Vegas Loop for free down the Las Vegas Strip with the 69 hotels, casinos and attractions paying for their own Loop stations which cost as little as $1.5M each.
@@andrewfranklin4429 uh nope. the boring tunneling is not only slower, smaller its more expensive per mile. it was not free.
@@toomanyaccounts not sure how you work that out toomany? The 1.7 mile Las Vegas Convention Center Loop cost $48m to build, paid for by the Las Vegas Convention and Visitor’s Authority (LVCVA), mostly out of taxes from the hotels and casinos in Vegas that the LVCVA oversees.
In contrast, these are the costs of various subways around the world:
Underground subway……………………..Cost per mile
- New York East Side Access……………$3.7 billion
- New York Second Avenue Subway…..$2.5 billion
- London Crossrail………………………………..£1.3 billion
- Los Angeles Purple Line Extension…$930 million
- San Francisco Central Subway………..$928 million
- Seattle U-Link…………………………………….$600 million
- Tokyo Metro Fukutoshin Line…………….$400 million
- Berlin U55……………………………………………$327 million
- Barcelona L9/L10………………………………$243 million
@@toomanyaccounts However, the 68 mile, 93 station Vegas Loop (extending on from the original LVCC Loop) has been approved and is now being built at zero cost to the LVCVA and Las Vegas's taxpayers as The Boring Co (TBC) will pay for all of the 68 miles of tunnel construction.
The LVCVA will be paid 5% of the ticket revenue generated by TBC who will operate the Loop as a franchisee and retain the other 95% of ticket sales for service, maintenance and profit.
The 93 hotels, casinos, the university and Allegiant Stadium have all enthusiastically signed up to pay for the 93 Loop stations ($1.5M per station unless any individually wish to build something really grandiose) in order to get access to an incredibly fast and cheap mass transit system with a station right at their front door.
The alternative would be Vegas taxpayers having to cough up $10 billion or more for a subway line.
"Use my stupid tunnel. It's like a train but worse, it's dangerous, it's frightening, it doesn't help anyone do anything better, and it will remind you of the collapse of whatever transportation infrastructure this country had in the first place...but at least you'll get where you wanted to go."
"Cool, can I go where I wanted to go?"
"No."
10/10
But it does have colour changing LEDs so its genius.
Wrong
@@fortyyearfitness how insightful of you
@@sassytabasco your post is full of misinformation, so much so AOC wants to ban you from social media.
@@sassytabasco you are comparing subway systems that have had 100 years to fully develop to this project which is about 3 years old, real smart… i live in Vegas and ride the tunnel, and when its complete to be able to go from downtown to my house with 0 stops will be amazing. But your brain can’t think of that, just “Elon bad”…
Replace the cars with a subway train, add emergency exists, and we're good to go. Oh no, Musky Elon has to reinvent the wheel, but make it worse.
Sorry about the bad grammar, I was typing it out after a shower and still had water and soap all over my face and some in my eyes so I couldn't see that well
Musk's New Wheel is made of sandstone and is crumbling before our eyes
@@hannahyamauchi839 just wait until the lawsuits roll in when somebody dies in the loop because a Tesla blows-up after someone puts the radio on
Emergency exits, emergency telephones, shelter rooms, fire extinguishers..... I can't believe this passed any sort of safety inspection.
Yeah, they genuinely planned for the emergency exit to be a ladder coming out of the pavement. So, if you twisted your ankle or were a paraplegic, you'd die. Or if you weren't at the front of the queue, you'd die. Money corrupts everything in America, it seems. RIP to it's citizens.
Super cramped tunnels and high speeds work with trains, because they’re literally on tracks….
Also all the train tunnels for public transport I know of have ventilation and emergency exists. Where I live the tunnels are not very deep, so those are relatively easy to build. And for complex structures like the Gotthard tunnel under the alps, there’s redundant electricity and communication as well as an emergency stop, a fire truck train and all other sorts of security precautions. Like just building a one car wide tunnel with no security measures at all??? WILD.
insane that this guy can literally pay his way out of having basic safety regulations. Was just reading about an extension to grand central that got delayed for MONTHS because of improper ventilation and Muskrat can build a concrete deathtrap for fun? and fill it with cars that have been known to explode spontaneously? there is literally no way this can end well
He worked closely with the Clark County Fire Department on safety equipment and procedures.
@@kevinbailey8827 And how is that supposed to help you when you're trapped in the middle of tunnel with burning tesla quickly turning air unbreathable?
@@UsmevavyPanacek One of the pieces of safety equipment is a powerful ventilation system that can move a lot of air. If there is a fire, the system can blow fresh air into the tunnel and push the fire, smoke, fumes, and heat the opposite direction.
Then the drivers can use their training to put their cars in reverse and evacuate you.
But the fire is an extremely unlikely event. Your fear is akin to someone who avoids elevators because they're afraid the cable will break, or they avoid ships because of the Titanic or the Costa Concordia, or they avoid trains because of the many derailments that have happened.
@@kevinbailey8827 If we were talking about any other car, sure, but Teslas are extremely shody cars with quite a propensity for battery fires. Someone really OKed that "safety plan"? With how intense the fire could get, the fan scenario sounds a bit dubious..
@@UsmevavyPanacek You've been lied to about Teslas "propensity" for battery fires. Teslas are actually less likely than either pure ICE cars or hybrids to catch fire. Other cars don't have as many people dedicated to spreading the news about any fire that occurs.
I've seen cars on fire on the side of the road, or even driving down the road, and they don't even make the local news, much less global news.
The chance that an EV battery will Catch fire is 0.0012%. The chance of an ICE vehicle catching fire is 0.1%.
Of the Tesla fires that have happened, a third are related to charging. Since they charge the vehicles in an above ground lot away from the loop, any fires that happened there would not affect the Loop operation.
Of the rest, a large percentage of fires happen after major collision. The loop is designed to avoid major collisions. The cars travel in single lane tunnels, so they're not subject to high-speed head-on collision risk, and there's no overtaking, which can also cause accidents.
Any damage to a car's battery will have that car taken out of service. Any car that reports overheating will be taken out of service. These actions will further reduce the already tiny risk. Worrying about Tesla fires in the tunnels is like worrying about your cruise ship sinking.
Cruise ships do sink. Trains derail, Subway cars get engulfed in flames. Airplanes crash. These things do happen, and though there haven't been any Tesla fires in tunnels, there is a tiny possibility of one, and yes, it would be hot and hard to extinguish. But these things aren't a reason to cancel passenger ships, trains, subways, airplanes, or the Loop.
Yoooo imagine if the tunnels (with more emergency exits) where for cyclists! Safe and away from cars and you can use them even of the weather is shitty!
I would point you to philly's tunnels that are uh, they need help and security. It would be more cost effective to just put up barriers above ground.
even then, not sure I wanna ride bikes for miles in a plain white tunnel that also lacks a ventilation system
@@Rainbowrobb yeah thats true! I am sure there is many more efficient and safe alternatives!
I like this idea for reusing them when this project inevitably fails one day. Or maybe just a walking trail, if the lane is too narrow? Heck, even one of those flat escalator things like they have in airports would be great. It needs better ventilation and emergency exits no matter what, but if Las Vegas paid for it the first time around, hopefully they’ll also pay for repairs.
@@Rainbowrobb Good point, it’s easy to overlook that. Even if everyone in entire the Las Vegas area is properly housed and getting all the healthcare they need, this would still easily become dangerous to walk/bike in. It’s like the ideal scenario for pickpockets, for one thing
Ah yes, it has been a minute since our last "Swell Roasts a Poorly Constructed Structure" video. I unironically love these vids, especially since her video of her losing her mind over that tacky billionaire skyscraper in New York is what got me hooked on this channel in the first place.
I saw that video in my recommendations awhile back and then more recently the episode about gamer dudes being mad about Tiktok babygirling Ghost from CoD and this is the kind of content I am absolutely here for.
I think its because im claustrophobic, but these tunnels scare the absolute shit out of me and will always no matter how many gamer lights they put in it. Also its very funny he made the subway system but somehow worse, like that by itself is impressive (and amazingly silly). Like wow he really is improving and inventing on wrong things.
I’ve never experienced that deep-seated claustrophobic tunnel anxiety before, but “there aren’t enough emergency exits” is enough to make the logical part of my brain really uncomfortable with going in there
@@scout8145 I like relatively small spaces but that tunnel messed with me just looking at it because there is no way out. One accident and it's a mess for everyone one in the tunnel.
I think I'd go loopy (pun not intended) driving working week's worth of hours in there. They should probably have access to therapy and evaluations on the regular.
I'm generally not claustrophobic, but looking at pictures of the tunnel and knowing there's no way out of them between stops gives me the same feeling I get hearing about caving incidents where someone got trapped and died. If a non-lethal disaster doesn't shut them down first, someone will eventually end up dying in one of those tunnels. The only question is how and when it'll happen.
@@Potassiumkloride this, this exactly. It gives me the same deep dread as thinking about spelunking
the irony is that the hyper loop would be better as a tram system or disney world ride lol
Idk. Disney at least has emergency exits...
All I can think of is the electric car ride in the Simpsons episode where they go to the Epcot knockoff.
it's the disneyland cars ride from hell
1:40 Woah woah woah... Miami?? Tunnel underground?? Ummm flooding?? How could this be a good idea???? 🤯🤦♀️🤯
We're talking about muskrat here. Good ideas are absolutely not his strong suit... the only advice I'd ask him for is how to behave like a cringey 15 year old boy on twitter.
Teslas are also submarines
Don't worry. Elon Musk will be perfectly fine. And that's the only thing he cares about.
yes
lol you are so right
Every single person under Elon is gonna be telling him "uh you know Florida is like constantly underwater and they can't build anything underground because of the aquifer, right?" and he will respond by firing them.
The SEATAC airport has a 4 car train on a loop that goes three stops through the terminals. It fits probably 100-200 passengers if you squish and runs every 2-5 minutes. This kind of train would be perfect for a convention center-- one tunnel, one to two trains, runs frequently in a loop. There is no way that these teslas are better than a train like that.
I only hope that in the future they can reuse the tunnels and add a train.
Oh also, I'm pretty sure the train drives itself because the track is so short.
16:52 Thing is, when he says "potential serial killers", he means poor people. That's why he sees no problem with the hyperloop : it's too expensive if you're broke
Pfft... as if he knows serial killer mentality. They're not necessarily going to be poor people. Lol. As someone who has had more than a bit of a brush with that type of insanity neccessary to make one, I can assure you that all it takes is enough repeated emotional trauma and turmroil, with another particularly devastating event intentionally caused by another person on top of all that, to set someone completely unhindged -- and particularly if there are particularly striking features associated with said trauma/people involved. I am, fortunately or unfortunately, unable to go completely insane, so I've been forced to have mostly gotten over the trauma (you either do, or you go crazy, or you die) - but people with certain features still make me do a double take, even though I KNOW those people could never possibly be anywhere near close enough to me because they're more likely to be halfway around the world far across the ocean. Believe me when I say it was a *lot worse* than just a "double take" before, with senseless paranoia and rage threatening to take over if I saw people with specific features. Although I actually am poor, that is more of a "I don't care to involve myself much in society" sorta deal after many other things after that, rather than a "it is not possible for me to be at least moderately successful" sorta deal -- so no, serial killers are not necessarily going to be poor - in fact, it's easier if they have some amount of wealth and especially knowledge, since those are what would make it easier for them to get away with henious acts. And chances are, they can play off as "normal" people because they were indeed victims at some point
[Additional note: triggers after the event -- basically the only things necessary are to "resent your lot in life" and see things that remind the person of the instigators. So, if the person in question is in... say... a job that overworks them and underpays them, that can be enough - even if that means they aren't necessarily going to be poor from it]
TL;DR -- Don't be assholes and toss other good people under the bus and gang pile on them when they are down when they've not done much (or any) actual wrong - that's a big contribution to developing serial killers. Treat people better and you won't have this problem in the first place
@@gaerekxenos I agree with you. But for him, "potential serial killers" is code for poor people, the same way "people with certain features" is very often code for "people who I don't consider white" (not saying that's what you mean by this, just saying that's very common)
I live here in vegas and have never touched the loop. It's SO dumb. Like you said: it's a subway, only worse in every possible way. It fails as both public transit AND as an advertisement for Tesla.
In short: I hate it.
As a diabetic that's terrifying like what if someone has a medical episode and you're just .... Stuck.
No one has been stuck so far. The odds of being stuck are extremely low, but they do have emergency procedures for evacuation.
If you’re the type to take the stairs for fear of being stuck in an elevator, then I understand, but it’s the fear, not the danger, that is guiding your choices.
@@kevinbailey8827 the procedure is to die because there is no way the tesla can open the doors in the tunnel
@@toomanyaccounts You’re wrong about that, of course! Whoever told you that there is no room to open the doors is giving you misinformation.
@@kevinbailey8827 LOL! the width of the tunnel versus the tesla than you factor in the door clearance. specs plus vids show you are trapped
Loop is a rollercoaster for Elon Musk tech bro fans
Literally hearing her describe it and show footage made me think that. It's so weird.
This comment gets an A+
I'm pretty sure it's easier for a serial killer to get fixated on you in an enclosed space than at a subway with tons of people...
Exactly what I was thinking. Every time she mentions she was the only girl in the Tesla, I cringed.
my favorite thing about elon is the giant multiple acre plot of land missing roads and infrastructure my town now has where our high speed rail was supposed to be! i live in downtown fresno and we just have a wide stretch of around 4-5 blocks long of just empty area with construction stuff in it and abandoned trains because of where the high speed rail station was supposed to go, along with a new bridge that got finished and just sits in the town now. its super helpful to not be able to drive to the asian market on the other side and instead have to go all the way around! thank you SO much elon!
There’s a reason most homes in Miami don’t have basements. It’s because Miami is a literal swamp, so who thought it would be a good idea to build an underground tunnel 🤦🏾♂️
ITS NOT EVEN A LOOP YET
ITS JUST STRAIGHT LINE
edit:its great seeing someone else getting as mad as me at the same dumb subject
Saudi Arabia should sue for patent infringement on 'The Line' mainly because I despise both entities and their creators and would like nothing more than their downfall.
I want a speed train going from SEA-TAC down to Los Angeles so bad. going on a plane is a pain, driving down there is a pain, and the current train line takes 2 days.
You know... the whole serial killer mention...? I have a feeling it is actually arguably a LOT *WORSE* in the Vegas loop that was built than public transit with strangers. Where's the escape route? Where are your options? Where are your emergency alarms? Where is the space to distance yourself from awkward strangers when you are alone? YOU HAVE NONE >
Honestly having a subway along the strip would be great for all along the strip especially if it went to the airport. But just cars freely zooming in a tiny tunnel 😬
Just turn the entire strip into a pedestrian zone with trams running the whole thing. Subway connecting the airport and major points of interest.
@@overbeb The loop will be a subway that goes to the airport. But since it's not a train, you won't have to stop at every hotel to drop off and pick up passengers.
If you're someone who _enjoys_ making multiple stops before your destination, I can see you you'd miss it.
I do like the idea of turning the strip into a pedestrian zone. They did it 25 years ago in downtown Las Vegas. "Glitter Gulch became "the Fremont Street Experience".
Slow trams along the strip with big windows for sightseeing are also a great idea.
Politics. Subways are boring. Teslas are cool and exciting. So what if it's impractical? That's a problem for next year.
@@kevinbailey8827 A subway that runs at much lower speed than rails and needs more maintenance.
When I went to school in Vegas, I remember one time we got an email that we could go ride the loop for free to test it before it opened as if it was a great opportunity for students 😂
Definitely check out Adam Something about this billionaire shit; as a Miami resident, PLEASE NO LOOOP! Edit: we have Brightline train and its great. More please.
I am excited for the Brightline to finally begin construction on the California Vegas line
Seriously, it's my understanding that much of Florida's soil is basically wet sand. Building tunnels there just sounds like a future episode of Well There's Your Problem or Fascinating Horror in the making.
"The more I'm thinking about it, the more I'm getting mad."
Yes.
Could you imagine if the vehicles were able to carry more than four people and we're actually powered by things in the tunnel themselves
Hopefully the whole Twitter fiasco is taking some of the shine off Musk's reputation as a visionary genius
Oh, it has been, and it’s been glorious to see
@@ally939 it is too bad when he is worth than more half a trillion dollars. But continue the hate is easier.
-Glass onion-
Benoit: its so dumd
Bridie: so dumb its brilliant
Benoit: NO! Its Just dumb
After studying abroad I agree with Biden we need more trains. I live on the east coast and I don't understand why the train from philly to nyc goes 40mph and costs as much as driving there but is slower. I live in between a bunch of the major cities and the best way to get to them is driving 😐
I live in a smaller town in PA and you can’t go ANYWHERE without a car. I wish we had trains to Philly or NYC.
@@cindyreyes3759 saaaame! I at least live somewhat close to an Amtrak station, but Amtrak is so expensive compared to just driving that most of the time the extra cost isn’t worth it. Which just sucks, because I actually love taking the train
Also, the train from Boston to Chicago is nearly always an hour late while still in NY. Just plan on this. And when it’s not…that doesn’t mean it’s on time. It’s just occasionally even later. Also even on time, it would take significantly longer than just driving.
Why should a passenger train sit in a siding for two hours waiting on a freight train? Make the freight train wait! And if the freight train is too long for the siding, make them either expand the siding or split it into two trains! It’s not that difficult! But no, let the freight trains cut costs and corners and ignore passenger service…
America NEEDS trains. It is ridiculous how hard it is to get anywhere without a car.
@@kaemincha We had trains- 100 years ago.
You always post videos right in time for my lunch break and I always love watching them while I eat. Doing that right now in fact. I love it thanks for doing that
MONORAIL! MONORAIL! MONORAIL!
Tbh Elon Musk is what happens when you give someone too much money and surround them with people who never let them hear the word "no"
@Dusky Yup I could not agree more. By the way is that your pet bird? That’s the cutest profile picture I’ve seen. Wearing a little crab hat.
It honestly feels like sheer luck that this hasn’t gone wrong, they’re really tempting fate with that 100mph tunnel.
No exits? No fire management system? Incredibly narrow tunnel. What could go wrong…
They will never hit those speeds. The person saying that, probably Musk, failed physics. The turn radius required for 100 MPH is massive. Because of zoning laws and you can't just dig a tunnel anywhere and expect it to not collapse. They would be lucky to even have one section be perfectly straight for 1 mile. They will be able travel 35 MPH at most.
I didn't realise this was something that would actually happen
Las Vegas is a city built for:
1. Cars
2. People willing to walk uncomfortably long distances
It's a bit of an odd city. For a start, it's in the middle of nowhere. Most cities are established in a location for a reason - good transport connections, or built around a fortification in a defensible area, or established near a good natural resource. Coasts are good places for cities, or upon rivers. Las Vegas was built in that location for the opposite reason: It started as a rest-and-resupply location for parties crossing the desert wilderness. The economy today is almost entirely built around tourism and industries supporting tourism, because there's simply nothing else there.
@@vylbird8014 Yep. And funny enough, much of the tourism is built on the Vegas vibe-the feeling that people are escaping to a far away destination. The vibe is unique to Vegas because I vaguely recall casino developers attempting to built Las Vegas Strip types of destinations elsewhere in the country with little-to-no success. Each time I've visited Las Vegas I thought, "why do people come here to do things they can mostly do in their nearest major cities?" But then I realize it's just the vibe.
I can't imagine a worst "Public transit" option that sharing a car with three strangers in an underground tunnel with no emergency exists.
Every time someone revolutionizes travel it's just a metro or a tram but less efficient.
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This looks Ike an accident waiting to happen. If there’s a fire in those tunnels, if an car accident happens and a person needs medical help there’s no way for 1st responders to get in there efficiently. Also what if someone is carry something dangerous in their bag while they’re in the car. Would they have a way to deal with that while in there.
Keep in mind the Vegas loop was also supposed to be 100mph autonomous shuttles that could hold 16 people. And you see how that turned out
As a vegas local, I fucking hate it. Boring Company sold it as an underground tram and just made a tunnel with cars. I never liked the idea of the city or convention authority paying for it.
The Vegas Loop barely benefits residents!!! I go to UNLV and they’re talking about adding a stop at one of our parts of our campus, which is RIDICULOUS! This shows to all us students that they do not care about us because while people are crying out for affordability on parking and more reliable transportation help for students, they want to work with the Boring company to build more of this. It’s so ridiculous and it angers me so much that the city would rather have this gentrified subway system that something that is actually beneficial to our community
He hates public transport because it actively takes money from him.
As someone who has really bad claustrophobia this thing is the worst nightmare fuel
the "hotels will pay for their own stops" is reminding me of the most chicago's freight tunnels for some reason, but also... this is just the least thought out subway system i can think of oml
Nikola Tesla: Free wireless electricity for everyone and anti-gravity propulsion.
Elon Musk: Co-opts Tesla's name for Disposable battery powered cars with four wheels and 10 cameras.
I like to refer to the hyper loop as "community coffin"
This is just the regular loop. The loop is an impractical but buildable means of transport - it needs only existing technology. It works. It just doesn't work very well. The Hyperloop is the ridiculous vacuum train idea which has so many flaws it has no chance of ever being viable for anything more than a small-scale test-track.
Without the emergency access points, it sounds like a fire hazard impending disaster that will one day show up on Fascinating Horror. Even if the odds of something happening is extremely low, disasters still happen. A crash and fire, the heat, the smoke, it sounds concerning
It doesn't even sound like the odds are low. A power outage would make it dark as a cave and the lanes are too narrow to pull over.
Can you even open the doors in the tunnel?
People may have to escape through the trunk.
It's a future Well There's Your Problem episode for sure. For entirely different reasons to the one they already did lol. Think Mont Blanc tunnel fire.
This entire concept just implodes on itself when you spend more than 2s thinking about it.
literally the more you described this the more i was like "this could just be a subway" and then you said that exact thing. Like, same resources, underground, with strangers (except a subway spaces you out more unless its super busy), certain stops, someone else driving. And a subway is cheaper for passengers (usually), accessible (i doubt the cars could accommodate a wheelchair), and better for the environment (yes teslas are electric but the people per car plus the energy of making the car factor in here)
The biggest thing everyone overlooks is the tires. A train has steel wheels on a steel track that even when they do wear out they can be reforged. The same cannot be said for the 400 rubber tires on those 100 cars that will need to be replaced frequently. They are collectively using more oil than a Bus would on that same route.
@@xe-wf5iv Tyres also create a lot of nasty dust as they break down, so that combined with being in an enclosed space is extra bad.
This dude really made "Yosemite Sam and the Gold River Adventure" into a Telsa attraction 🔥☠
So it’s useless and it’s a death trap? Excellent!
Imagine if this tunnel had an elongated vehicle that ran on rail...🤔🤔🤔
Then it would cost more to build (a LOT more), carry the same number of people, and make them wait longer for their rides.
@@kevinbailey8827 Sometimes you have to spend more upfront for the better product. The board that greenlit the tunnel was very shortsighted. Any other type of transit in that tunnel would be better than a Tesla.
Wow, I wish we a way to transport a lot of people from one place to another in a tunnel system, maybe something that can't hit the wall and is on some sort of rail system. Whoever can come up with a better idea than this should win a medal.
i lost count of how many of your vids i've watched, and that intro is still gold 😂
One might say about the Last Vegas Loop, "Well, There's Your Problem"
it's a good thing Teslas aren't known to spontaneously combust. if that were the case then surely they would have left some space for emergency services
I already hated the loop and thought it was stupid and after watching this video it somehow made me hate it more. The part it not having any emergency access is really what makes me mad. Like, how was this even approved if they have NO PLAN for when an emergency happens?!!!!
Why do you think they don't have plans for emergencies? They do have plans and procedures, and they worked with the Clark County Fire Department to develop them.
Crazy how other countries have high speed trains and we have whatever the fuck this is
I was just listening to the On The Media podcast from 1/20 entitled "Great Expectations". Part of it was about how the major result of Hyperloop/The Boring Company is to subvert plans for mass transit and high speed rail. And then never delivering on the promised outcomes, or delivering at all. So the mass transit plans are scuttled and then nothing gets built at all. It was all rather depressing.
The LVCC Loop HAS delivered. It does what it was built to do, and it does it better than a train would have in its place.
My biggest question is always been. What's the ADA compliance like?
Probably nonexistent. Even a lot of otherwise well-done transit systems aren't very accessible. I think Zach Anner did a video about taking the New York subway and the challenges of just getting around in general using a wheelchair.
I think it's minimal. They use Model Y's with "Falcon wing" doors that are easier to get in and out of, and I've seen videos where there's a rack on the back of some of them to hold a wheelchair.
I'm hoping that when Tesla says it's working on a dedicated robotaxi vehicle, the end result will be able to accommodate wheelchairs and mobility scooters in the cabin.
@@kevinbailey8827 I mean, we already have public transit with better ADA compliance. I genuinely don't get why they didn't build a train
@@ohnoitsandrew9538 Why didn't they build a train?
They took bids on the project. The train was going to cost four times as much. I think that's the main reason.
Anyway, the system is expanding and a lot more people are going to be affected. I think about my late mother who loved going to Vegas and used a mobility scooter in her later years. I hope they have plans to use some vehicles that could better accommodate people like her.
The Loop always has been a gift, really lets you know who around you is unwilling to question things said by someone believed to be in a position of "authority".
It’s important to note just how INEFFICIENT this thing is. It’s got a maximum hourly capacity of around 5K people an hour, which is absolutely pitiful compared to an actual transit system. Paris metro line 1 can carry around *25,000* people per hour, even though it runs with much lower frequencies compared to the loop (2 min at rush hour compared to theoretically every few seconds). So basically, it holds 1/5th the number of people as a metro line while requiring similar infrastructure while also being much more dangerous (there isn’t space to open the doors on the loop in the tunnel, I’ll let you figure out why that’s bad on your own)
This loop was built to carry a maximum of about 5K per hour. That's the maximum it will likely ever have to carry. At CES, the busiest show of the year, it performed very well and everyone who needed a ride got one with an average wait time under 10 seconds.
It would have been unbelievably wasteful and inefficient to build a system with the capacity to carry 25K per hour like the Paris metro line, because on the busiest days it would be one 1/5 full. And on normal days it would be 95% empty. What fool would build something like that and shove it into a space that's less than a mile long?
@@kevinbailey8827 the loop is a proof of concept, Elon wants to build more ones that are longer. He Essentially he wants this to be metro 2.0. It’s safe to compare it to an actual subway because that’s what it’s designed to act as
The Waterloo and City line in London, which only really has traffic during the morning and evening rush hour, and isn't even open on weekends moves 60,000 a day. It's about the same length as this thing and probably the most closely comparable metro line.
@@kevinbailey8827 Now. Scale that shitty capacity on a city wide network. Unless they're going to be using bigger tunnels to allow for larger vehicles that can move more at once, it's an absolute pitiful state of affairs.
Just build a small people mover like you get in theme parks. It'll have higher capacity and won't need to cycle the vehicles to charge them. Far less complex to maintain too as it's just a buggy on wheels with some motors getting power from the third rail.
@@staycgirlsitsgoingdown2 Proof of concept for what? Building a tunnel to move something through under ground? We managed that 130 years ago with the first deep level tube in London. We've been building underground transport networks for over 160 years, starting with the old cut and cover method.
Miami? In Florida… Underground….near the ocean…where almost all of hurricanes like to come through..I’m sure that will work out real well
Miami has tunnels. I don't remember drowning when I took the tunnel to the cruise terminals in Miami. They worked out real well, as you say.
Okay, I.... When you called it The Boring Company, I thought you were mocking them or something. It.... Never occurred someone would ACTUALLY name their real company Boring Company. That's like naming a charity "Totally Not A Scam Foundation".
I thought the same thing when I first heard of them! I thought they were making fun of them lol. But it’s just a play on words with “to bore a tunnel”
I always thought it was very very funny of them to name it that
Its typical of the sense of humor of the guy who put a fart button on Tesla dashboards.
I genuinely just can’t understand a use case for this that a subway/metro wouldn’t be way better at.
As an urban planner from Europe, this looks like it was designed by doing the opposite of what I'd do at every possible step. It's inefficient, looks unsafe as hell, poorly thought out and benefits literally nobody except the billionaire selling the cars. Just make a train ffs
It's more efficient than the typical urban train, in terms of energy used per passenger.
When there aren't many passengers, vehicles in the Loop can remain parked, using virtually no energy. A smaller number of vehicles can still provide excellent service to passengers and keep their wait time close to 0.
With an urban train, you can deal with slow times by removing cars from the trains, and you can reduce the frequency of the trains. But that means making passengers wait longer.
A full train is obviously more efficient than the same number of passengers in a lot of individual cars, but the train will take all of the passengers to more stops, wasting their time and using extra energy to stop and start so often. The loop vehicles will skip all of the stations in between and only stop at the destination.
@@kevinbailey8827 A single bus above ground could accomplish the same thing for less than $1 million
You can get the ridership detail for the loop. Outside of ces time most days were under 1500 people moved. Many days were even under 100 people moved. A simple simple bus system of like 4 buses, which is like 2 million, would have been way way more efficient and cheaper.
That loop literally reminds me of the Willy Wonka hell scape scene where they’re riding down the chocolate river on a gondola. Nightmare fuel.
So…. It’s ridiculously inefficient public transport with extra steps? That’s Elon, fixing things that aren’t broken.
This Loop is all a façade to make people feel more fancy/rich. It fits perfectly into what Las Vegas is all about. The more rich people feel, the more likely they are to spend money at the attractions.
Seeing that tunnel, and then realizing there are no escape doors is terrifying. Just look up the details of the 1999 disaster in the Mont Blanc Tunnel. This this is a death trap.
I hate Elon Musk for a bunch of reasons, one is killing high speed rail. Los Angeles is one of the best cities to have HSR, connections to San Diego, Sacramento, Las Vegas, San Francisco and we could even go all the way to Seattle. But no, a single billionaire said subway bad and we get nothing.
what they should do is connect several cars together and put them on a track so less drivers are needed and more people can be moved at once
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We desperately need a comprehensive high speed rail system in the US
My parent have a Tesla so I get to experience the loop every time we go to see my grandparents. You just find a tunnel and put autodrive on and it's like the exact same thing!
If only there was an underground tunnel system on a track. The hard on Americans have for cars is so archaic like grow up
I went to CES and was genuinely too terrified to go in those tunnels. I've been on plenty of subways and none have ever felt so foreboding even at the entrance
There’s a British physics prof on here who debunks Musk’s every notion. He’s hilarious and fantastic, and makes complete sense in his explanations for us non-physicers. His video on the Loop and why it’s idiotic is excellent. Forget his name, but easily searched.
I think you're referring to Thunderf00t.
Pretty sure that he is incredibly obsessed, and most of his latest videos about Musk are just harping on the same point over and over again for ad revenue that he claims he doesn't need.
All i want from Phil are kickstarter debunks 😔
@@daltonwallet8650but thunderfoot is right, obsessed or not, he’s right
When you’ve been to a city like Toronto, mass transit suddenly makes so much more sense. It’s fast, convenient, safe, and affordable. Why put more cars on the road and have to make more roads for them to drive on?
OMG, I thought this was a crazy project that had never been built 🤦♀️
the Clark County Commissioners unanimously approved this btw. as a resident it’s very frustrating
This is literal nightmare fuel. This whole video made me so anxious.
Wait did they have you walking in the tunnel for CES?
That actually improves the throughput of the system substantially. You go from 2000-3000 passengers per hour per direction to 15,000 passengers per hour per direction.
I have jokingly suggested that they can repurpose the tunnels as a bike lane (about 12,000 passengers per hour per direction): probably bottlenecked by however you are supposed to get to/from ground level.
Edit: the only thing that beats walking is rail; with 20,000 PPD and up.
I really could see this just becoming a rich person’s subway. As in it becomes really expensive to use, but is essentially a subway system where you get a private car
It will be competitive with Uber.
Still flabbergasted that people gave money to Melon Husk for a shitter less functional metro with rainbow LEDs....
In the Netherlands we have much more advanced transportation system for such short distances: bicycles. Easier, cheaper, no pollution and can go anywhere without a tunnel.
That wouldn’t work in Las Vegas
@@kevinbailey8827 Of course it would work; it's simple and proven technology. The only question is: does Las Vegas want it to work? Maybe not, as people over there are addicted to cars.
@@DecibelDr How well do the bikes work when it’s 41 degrees Celsius? How many bikes do you have parked outside the stadium for when the Taylor Swift concert is over and tens of thousands of Swifties need to get back to their hotels?
@@kevinbailey8827 Build the infrastructure, silly.
One of these days there will be a news story about this loop being flooded, or collapsed, or a minor car accident but no one can get out of the loop, or a Tesla caught on fire as they like to do and people died because the passengers couldn't escape... It's literally just a matter of what, when, and how fatal
How many people have to die in regular subway tunnels before we do…whatever you want to do with the Loop Tunnels?
Thunderfoot has been calling out musk for years now I'm glad other creators are joining in
what was wrong with just making a subway or a monorail system that could actually bring the number of people a tourist city like Vegas sees I truly don’t understand
These tunnels are so anxiety inducing... ive been living in the moutains and tunnels can be scary but at least they had emergency exits and arrows that would indicate how far and where theyre located...
How can anyone have one look a this and not think it pointless ride...
As a european who is used to semi-decent public transport, this whole thing causes me immense amounts of frustration and anxiety😥
I say this as someone living in Vegas -- everyone here hates this loop, we all want trams and subways, and hate that this is evidence that we could have an underground transportation system that could *literally* save lives for people who use public transport during our 120 degree summers