We all have been the history of all mankind for centuries . Edward Said", RIP 🙏 ❤ The voices are echoes that are screaming discent and decency we honor. With the deepest respect and admiration for all those who walk the footsteps of truths against powers of greed. Oct. 7, 2023 One must enqiure profoundly and deeply and ask, "Who are we?" A beautiful tribute.
I love this conversation so much. It makes me feel safer and more relaxed just being in the world, knowing these two people are also in the world and several steps ahead of me with the big picture, and more secure in that knowledge (it seems to me, at least). I come back to this and watch it over and over like some folks watch re-runs of Seinfeld. I love their passion and humor and kindness and the level at which they care, in addition to the brilliance and commitment to thought and reason. Where’s Kramer, by the way? ;-}
"..several steps ahead of me with the big picture", lol. This is the big picture:- First two sentences of Edward Bernays' Propaganda (1928) "THE conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country." www.historyisaweapon.com/defcon1/bernprop.html (intro by Chomsky)
10 years later, Palestine culture and history are very much alive & admired. Colonizers have lost their souls, and they will never retrieve it back. Columbia uni should continue honoring Edward Said and not be bullied by Z's
Palestine culture ? Where? They kill each other, they believe in insanities , they are ultra violent , they don’t create or invent anything . They still live better than anywhere else because they benefit democracy, rights, health system from israel . You ignorant and bottomless stupid
I love how such TH-cam videos of deeply intellectual and educated discourse are devoid of troll comments. It's like repellant for stupid and nourishment for understanding.
+navyman4 i wish that were true but so many clips about Said are trolled by right wing Israeli settlers and their supporters who celebrate his passing and call him all variety of names.
@@cullis8327 nice critique, very well-reasoned and evidenced. It is clear that this comment was made with a direct engagement with the material and not all ideological. Now return to your JBP videos of terrible and uncharitable interpretations of Marx, postmodernism, feminism, and pretty much any critical theory.
@@cullis8327 Unfortunately, I have to agree with you. Said (and Zionism/Palestinian rights etc. etc.) deserved better than this somewhat wooly 'philosophical' discussion.
This is absolutely brilliant.Lila Abu-Lughod's introduction was terrific and Judith Butler and Cornel West do a fantastic job in honouring Said and rightfully not deifying him, as Said was always open to criticism. I have seen this talk 3 times now and all I can is that hopefully I will be able to attend both of their lecture's in person one day.
"Bearing witness" don't know if that's something from the unfortunate book or not but I really like it. Something to live by as you grow older... with dignity, hopefully.
Isn’t it satisfying that as long as people like Abu-Lughod, Eqbal Ahmed, Edward Said and their legacy is alive there’s hope for a decent and just solution for the People of Palestine living both inside as well as outside their motherland.
Turner (2006) "The notion of 'public intellectual' has a characteristically romantic flavour. It means an intellectual who struggles against overwhelming odds to deliver an overwhelmingly important social analysis that is received by an audience that requires a message that will give expression to their lives. Public intellectuals tend to be associated with political causes, especially in relation to colonial struggles. The public intellectual is an alienated outside who struggles heroically against oppression and injustice. (pg. 172)
brilliant talk. thank you to the center for palestine studies for organizing this event. when I was watching it on livestream, these little banner ads kept popping up soliciting donations to israel, which only highlighted the necessity of having talks like this.
It was a pleasure meeting both Judith Butler and Cornel West in person on separate occasions at the University of Cambridge this year, 'The Power of Religion in the Public Sphere' book by Butler, J / Habermas, J / Taylor, C & West, C is reviewed in the Avello Publishing Journal. Jason Wakefield 'The New Materialism' Trinity College, Cambridge University.
I love you two... You are wonderful thinkers and speakers. I wish Trump would hire you to teach him how to think. You forgot to mention ''Allahuakbar ,TAKBIRRRRRRR'' and '' FORCE HIM how to THINK'' instead of ''teaching the ability to think critically''.
This was fantastic. Does anyone have any reading suggestions specifically on the point of when Judith Butler discusses all of the traditions and heritages we are born into. I'm trying to understand that question myself. r
Judith Butler has been influenced quite strongly by Foucault. Traditions, history, language and heritages that she talks about come from an idea that humans are created/formed through power structures that are in many ways not entirely visible in the way they work. The two books that I can mention when she says that "we are formed in history, we are formed in language" are Foucault's 'The Archaeology of Knowledge' and 'History of Sexuality'. Examples of Traditions and heritages are somewhat addressed but they mostly cover the theory of how a 'human' is 'created'. P.S If this is what you were looking for I would recommend Nikolas Rose's 'Governing the Soul: The Shaping of the private Self' as well.
@ Variety Chanel, Search for "Performativity, Precarity & Sexual Politics." It is a very good reading, although you may find it a little bit philosophical. It is however very interesting.
well, the fundamental problem with political thought is why, why people desire their repression as if it were their liberty? many thinkers have approached this problem, like La Boétie, Spinoza, Wilhelm Reich, Gilles Deleuze and Félix Guattari, just to name a few. only if you have surpassed your human bondage you are capable of ruling yourself. this has nothing to do with utopia, but with the search for a better and more empathetic world.
a massive echo-chamber ... both these wow celebrity intellectual know very little (or nothing) about what happens in India, Africa, Latin America and vast parts of the world, outside America... About the very subject they are yacking away!! Clap Clap !! Echo Chamber !!
get to the point about the man and his true discussion... in this discussion you diffuse the mans historical significance with your own philisophical or scholastic discussion...in the mans live discussion, he rarely ascends to these greater levels and thus lesser known discriptives...
29:00. Codifying group oppression, that is to say attempting the types of fundamentalist categories such as a person of color depend upon oversimplifyingand denying oppressor status to anyone who is determined to be oppressed, put another way, these discourses seem to be intent on creating some type of authoritarian and statist bureaucracy incapable of locating the mythical pure oppressor... Put another way, The proletariat become a mythical non-existent people who serve as a bullseye for the powerful to justify an extreme power grab, it's a decoy
@@lobotobot154 Who would and Cornel West too, the same thing bunch of haters that back it with generalizations and anecdotal evidence which is gross. It's always a sign that you don't have a real argument when the only one you make is everyone is racist that disagrees with me
Shalom- which is the proper way to begin, comment or respond to another participant on planet earth. The occupation of Israel during the Ottoman and previous thieves does not constitute any claim of legitimacy by those who squatted because of the illegal occupation of Jewish land. The reestablishment of Israel in the current map is a step toward full sovereignty of all of ancient Israel. Daniel Moshe Johnson
but w r talking about 1948 when Israel stole from Palestinians and the many steps taken to steal more and more land from Palestinians by comparing the map from 1948 until today in Israel. Israel gets larger and larger everyday.
Edward we need you now more than ever.........though you will never die....we miss you get up.... 😢😢😢😢
We all have been the history of all mankind for centuries .
Edward Said", RIP 🙏 ❤
The voices are echoes that are screaming discent and decency we honor.
With the deepest respect and admiration for all those who walk the footsteps of truths against powers of greed.
Oct. 7, 2023
One must enqiure profoundly and deeply and ask,
"Who are we?"
A beautiful tribute.
I love this conversation so much. It makes me feel safer and more relaxed just being in the world, knowing these two people are also in the world and several steps ahead of me with the big picture, and more secure in that knowledge (it seems to me, at least). I come back to this and watch it over and over like some folks watch re-runs of Seinfeld. I love their passion and humor and kindness and the level at which they care, in addition to the brilliance and commitment to thought and reason. Where’s Kramer, by the way? ;-}
"..several steps ahead of me with the big picture", lol.
This is the big picture:-
First two sentences of Edward Bernays' Propaganda (1928)
"THE conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country."
www.historyisaweapon.com/defcon1/bernprop.html (intro by Chomsky)
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So glad to have the opportunity to listen to this, more people like this should exist. Absolutely brilliant
It is really beautiful. Cornel West is in rare form at about 43:00. So good."Tragic structure to subject formation, being produced": Judith Butler.
10 years later, Palestine culture and history are very much alive & admired. Colonizers have lost their souls, and they will never retrieve it back.
Columbia uni should continue honoring Edward Said and not be bullied by Z's
Palestine culture ? Where? They kill each other, they believe in insanities , they are ultra violent , they don’t create or invent anything . They still live better than anywhere else because they benefit democracy, rights, health system from israel . You ignorant and bottomless stupid
What a great lecture! Appreciate it so much. Thanks for sharing it.
I love how such TH-cam videos of deeply intellectual and educated discourse are devoid of troll comments. It's like repellant for stupid and nourishment for understanding.
+navyman4 i wish that were true but so many clips about Said are trolled by right wing Israeli settlers and their supporters who celebrate his passing and call him all variety of names.
This isn't wisdom, this is high-grade ego-stroking and rationalisation. You want wisdom, go listen to someone explaining Nietzsche.
@@cullis8327 nice critique, very well-reasoned and evidenced. It is clear that this comment was made with a direct engagement with the material and not all ideological. Now return to your JBP videos of terrible and uncharitable interpretations of Marx, postmodernism, feminism, and pretty much any critical theory.
@@TheRandomBiscuit I don't watch JBP videos. It's elementary stuff to me.
@@cullis8327 Unfortunately, I have to agree with you. Said (and Zionism/Palestinian rights etc. etc.) deserved better than this somewhat wooly 'philosophical' discussion.
This is absolutely brilliant.Lila Abu-Lughod's introduction was terrific and Judith Butler and Cornel West do a fantastic job in honouring Said and rightfully not deifying him, as Said was always open to criticism. I have seen this talk 3 times now and all I can is that hopefully I will be able to attend both of their lecture's in person one day.
"Bearing witness" don't know if that's something from the unfortunate book or not but I really like it. Something to live by as you grow older... with dignity, hopefully.
Isn’t it satisfying that as long as people like Abu-Lughod, Eqbal Ahmed, Edward Said and their legacy is alive there’s hope for a decent and just solution for the People of Palestine living both inside as well as outside their motherland.
Cornell West. An American treasure.
🤡🤡🤡🤡
He is african
Level
Judith Butler - what an elegant thinker
Butler and West at their absolute best!
Talk starts at 14:45
Thanks. I watch a lot of these types of discussions and debates at universities, and they always take so long to get going.
Turner (2006) "The notion of 'public intellectual' has a characteristically romantic flavour. It means an intellectual who struggles against overwhelming odds to deliver an overwhelmingly important social analysis that is received by an audience that requires a message that will give expression to their lives. Public intellectuals tend to be associated with political causes, especially in relation to colonial struggles. The public intellectual is an alienated outside who struggles heroically against oppression and injustice. (pg. 172)
Great quote. Can you supply the title? Thanks.
Yes I can....I just published a chapter in a book edited by Dr Wale Adebanwi
brilliant talk. thank you to the center for palestine studies for organizing this event.
when I was watching it on livestream, these little banner ads kept popping up soliciting donations to israel, which only highlighted the necessity of having talks like this.
It was a pleasure meeting both Judith Butler and Cornel West in person on separate occasions at the University of Cambridge this year, 'The Power of Religion in the Public Sphere' book by Butler, J / Habermas, J / Taylor, C & West, C is reviewed in the Avello Publishing Journal. Jason Wakefield 'The New Materialism' Trinity College, Cambridge University.
Start: 14:45
Thanks. I watch a lot of these types of discussions and debates at universities, and they always take so long to get going.
I adore Cornells nodding at Butler, on every occations, seems everything said is pure gold ...
Then you're from a way different world than I'm from. All I see is pretentious racistWho can't even back it with real information
Love Butler and Said.
I love you two... You are wonderful thinkers and speakers. I wish Trump would hire you to teach him how to think.
Why waste them on Trump??
I love you two... You are wonderful thinkers and speakers. I wish Trump would hire you to teach him how to think.
You forgot to mention ''Allahuakbar ,TAKBIRRRRRRR'' and '' FORCE HIM how to THINK'' instead of ''teaching the ability to think critically''.
This was fantastic. Does anyone have any reading suggestions specifically on the point of when Judith Butler discusses all of the traditions and heritages we are born into. I'm trying to understand that question myself. r
Judith Butler has been influenced quite strongly by Foucault. Traditions, history, language and heritages that she talks about come from an idea that humans are created/formed through power structures that are in many ways not entirely visible in the way they work. The two books that I can mention when she says that "we are formed in history, we are formed in language" are Foucault's 'The Archaeology of Knowledge' and 'History of Sexuality'. Examples of Traditions and heritages are somewhat addressed but they mostly cover the theory of how a 'human' is 'created'.
P.S If this is what you were looking for I would recommend Nikolas Rose's 'Governing the Soul: The Shaping of the private Self' as well.
@ Variety Chanel, Search for "Performativity, Precarity & Sexual Politics." It is a very good reading, although you may find it a little bit philosophical. It is however very interesting.
The Psychic Life of Power
Brilliant thx for sharing
31:30 “demand for translation” Butler’s so on point here
What a brilliant lecture!!
1:20:00 amazing
RIP
this was so beautiful
Entendi. ... tudo!?
♥️♥️🇵🇸
Self rule is an oxymoron. Those who cannot wrestle with this fact will endlessly massacre their way towards an unachievable utopia.
Control over ones own destiny is not an oxymoron. That’s what people mean when they say self rule. What your pointing out is a semantic issue.
well, the fundamental problem with political thought is why, why people desire their repression as if it were their liberty? many thinkers have approached this problem, like La Boétie, Spinoza, Wilhelm Reich, Gilles Deleuze and Félix Guattari, just to name a few. only if you have surpassed your human bondage you are capable of ruling yourself. this has nothing to do with utopia, but with the search for a better and more empathetic world.
Yaas Judith, excellent answer at 1:12:00
West is the best.
West said, "dear sister" to J. Bulter
a massive echo-chamber ... both these wow celebrity intellectual know very little (or nothing) about what happens in India, Africa, Latin America and vast parts of the world, outside America... About the very subject they are yacking away!! Clap Clap !! Echo Chamber !!
get to the point about the man and his true discussion...
in this discussion you diffuse the mans historical significance with your own philisophical or scholastic discussion...in the mans live discussion, he rarely ascends to these greater levels and thus lesser known discriptives...
29:00. Codifying group oppression, that is to say attempting the types of fundamentalist categories such as a person of color depend upon oversimplifyingand denying oppressor status to anyone who is determined to be oppressed, put another way, these discourses seem to be intent on creating some type of authoritarian and statist bureaucracy incapable of locating the mythical pure oppressor... Put another way, The proletariat become a mythical non-existent people who serve as a bullseye for the powerful to justify an extreme power grab, it's a decoy
1:03:18
Two of the Big Blathers who think they're brilliant but they are not. Can't understand a word they are blathering on about.
@@lobotobot154 Who would and Cornel West too, the same thing bunch of haters that back it with generalizations and anecdotal evidence which is gross. It's always a sign that you don't have a real argument when the only one you make is everyone is racist that disagrees with me
cornel west seemed like he didnt know this topic very much. very awkward
Shalom-
which is the proper way to begin, comment or respond to another participant on planet earth.
The occupation of Israel during the Ottoman and previous thieves does not constitute any claim of legitimacy by those who squatted because of the illegal occupation of Jewish land.
The reestablishment of Israel in the current map is a step toward full sovereignty of all of ancient Israel.
Daniel Moshe Johnson
but w r talking about 1948 when Israel stole from Palestinians and the many steps taken to steal more and more land from Palestinians by comparing the map from 1948 until today in Israel. Israel gets larger and larger everyday.
Talk starts at 14:35
1:04:15