I am greek and orthodox. It may not be "traditional" enough yet the church is beautifull, a piece of architectural brilliance. It is that kind of art which educates people to appreciate beauty.
Kakva prelepa crkva!? Calatrava je objedinio tradiciju i moderno. Kakav genije! Šteta što nemamo više ovakvih pravoslavnih crkava ali šta ćemo kad nemamo ljude koji razumeju umetnost kakva je Calatravina!! 🇷🇸🇬🇷
I hope the souls of those who were lost at this point find peace in the hug of St. Nicholas. It stands out below the horizon of the big city. The design is nice but I think the shade is nicer.
@@SpiritualIconoclast You can be an atheist and it is your right. But be sure that you are not in danger from me. Not all religions are the same. The Christians did not destroy the twin towers. What can you hope for in your life? In a triple hamburger?
@@geoellinas The violence comes from people who have fundamentalist religious beliefs, which is not what you believe. But you unwittingly provide an environment where irrational beliefs like a man walking on water(Jesus) and a man flying up into heaven on a flying horse(Muhammad) is normalized. If the majority of the world believed that aliens were among us and controlling us, and that became a normal belief for most people, then it becomes much easier for crazy people to then think that it’s their moral obligation to start killing innocent people who they believe are aliens. I don’t want to argue with the 1% of crazy people that they shouldn’t be killing evil aliens disguised as humans. That’s an argument I’m not going to win. I shouldn’t have to make that case. The argument should be aliens aren’t here controlling us, but that becomes hard when 90% of you don’t agree with their violence but agree with them on aliens.
Glory to lord father God in the highest...glory to lord Jesus Christ in the highest...glory to the Holy Spirit in the highest... GLory to the Triune God in the Highest of Highest...Amen.
@alterdestiny You are historically illiterate. Domes come from the christian byzantine empire. Muslims were influenced by this and their domed mosques are copied from Christian churches of the byzantine empire. The reason why the Kremlin and Russian orthodox churches have dome shapes is because of the byzantine empire. The Hagia Sophia, which is what this church here is based on, is a church built before Muhammad was even born
Unreal, people complain about the looks of the church and not having pews. Yet, there are plenty of Orthodox Churches that don't have them. Plus, people complained about the Ground Zero mosque and now they are complaining about this too. Haters gonna hate. By the way, I think it looks great!
Rob Brady It is extremely distasteful and disrespectful to bring up the Ground Zero Mosque in this discussion as the two have NOTHING in common; the Mohammedan can do/build what he wants. This is about 2000 years of Orthodox Christian art and architecture being usurped by modernist clergy to placate a heretical/Protestant/secular tourist crowd. The fact that you "think it looks great" speaks more to your lack of understanding of Orthodoxy than anything else. Pews should NOT be there, since we should be standing anyway. I really don't understand your implication. Are you even Orthodox?
capone70 wow, it took me five years to even notice your rude ignorant comment. Like no Orthodox Christian has ever stood back and said, “I think that a particular Orthodox Church looks good.” Give me a break with your holier than thou attitude. Your attitude is exactly why the Orthodox Church is so uninviting and off putting for non-Greeks, non-Russians, etc., you feel compelled to preach and make anyone that has a different point of view as an outsider. “Put me in my place.” As for mentioning the Ground zero mosque, it’s called Freedom of Speech. It’s on you if you felt that it was distasteful and disrespectful. We’re not in a communist country. And if you would bother reading my comment, I mentioned that pews aren’t found in Orthodox Churches. Although, I’ve been to plenty that have PEWS. Im curious if reading comprehension isn’t your thing or are you merely looking to argue? Feel free to respond with more bigotry if you read this comment.
Johnny Marvéll But plenty Orthodox churches do. So what’s your point? Are they not Orthodox? Honestly, who cares? Most Americans see the Greek, Russian, & Armenian Orthodox churches as only for Greeks, Russian, Armenians. Look at Capone70’s response to me. Would I want to join or promote the Orthodox Church after receiving that garbage? Nope. I wonder if he talks down to church visitors like he did with me or is overly judgmental. No love in his comment. Zilch.
@@robbrady3086 oh i see... *"who cares about this, who cares about"* . THAT'S WHY you people are split into a million different groups with a million different heresies. That's called arrogance. But hey, who cares about facts as long as you have your chips and your ροrn0s, right?
Precioso, pero sobre todo, espiritual diseño. Sr. Calatrava, creo q ha sintetizado la tradición bizantina y la ha fusionado para siempre con la modernidad atemporal.
It is like a museum of modern art. It is not reminds me a church. It is alike a big tomb or a mausoleum. It had to look like a small church of an island of the Agean Sea. Two colors. White and blue. St Nickolas is the protector of the seamen and has no relation with Agia Sophia. Im very sorry.
Υπέροχο δημιουργημα. Και το γεγονός ότι θα στέκεται δίπλα στο ground zero, το κάνει ακόμη πιο καθηλωτικο. Χαίρομαι που σεβαστηκαν τον ναό που καταστράφηκε κ ανεγειρουν νέο. Γι αυτό κ όσοι σχολιάζετε, σεβαστειτε γενικότερα το όλο σκηνικό κ θέμα. Μιλάμε για το σημείο της πτώσης των διδυμων πυργων. Μην ξεχνάτε
What an ugly and sterile looking "building"! Why couldn't they make a beautiful Byzantine Church (Orthodox) with awesome iconography? What a waste of millions :'(
Shalom, Salam, Peace. Long Live Israel & Long Live Palestine, Want To Be Good Neighbours With Eternal Peace & Love. Some Extremists From Both Sides, Want To Destroy Each Other, With No Peace Insight.
Actually you're wrong, a Greek Orthodox church is rounded to look like that. Our church is meant to have a circle it shows that the church is never ending just like heaven. So don't assume things you can't fully explain.
Soteria Psilopoulos Thank you for that clarification. So few of us in America really get exposed to the Orthodox sect and its denominations of Christianity.
TISH KerrVille Actually you didn't say similar, you said, "Of course it's going to look like a mosque..." that is pretty clear to me. You also need to take a chill pill, I wanted to clarify that because the building of St. Nicholas is a HUGE deal to Orthodox Christians around the world, for the fact that this will be the only church on any part of the World Trade Center perimeter. Plus watch how you talk to people, your immaturity is super high and that's coming from a fourteen year old.
I am greek and orthodox. It may not be "traditional" enough yet the church is beautifull, a piece of architectural brilliance. It is that kind of art which educates people to appreciate beauty.
It is traditional to me.
@alterdestiny so what?
You must be in drugs
I like it. It’s not as grandiose as Constantinople’s Hagia Sophia, but it’s a beautiful adaptation of the Megalo Ekklesia.
If I die, I hope my funeral is held there.
if? ;-)
Kakva prelepa crkva!? Calatrava je objedinio tradiciju i moderno. Kakav genije! Šteta što nemamo više ovakvih pravoslavnih crkava ali šta ćemo kad nemamo ljude koji razumeju umetnost kakva je Calatravina!! 🇷🇸🇬🇷
For all who died
For all who survived
For all who missed
Friendship first
I hope the souls of those who were lost at this point find peace in the hug of St. Nicholas. It stands out below the horizon of the big city. The design is nice but I think the shade is nicer.
Ironically god delusion you clearly suffer from is the exact condition that the perpetrators of 9/11 suffered from. Imagine a world without religion.
@@SpiritualIconoclast Without faith there is no hope for the salvation of the soul.
@@geoellinas case in point. The people who perpetrated 9/11 agree with you 100%.
@@SpiritualIconoclast You can be an atheist and it is your right. But be sure that you are not in danger from me. Not all religions are the same. The Christians did not destroy the twin towers. What can you hope for in your life? In a triple hamburger?
@@geoellinas The violence comes from people who have fundamentalist religious beliefs, which is not what you believe. But you unwittingly provide an environment where irrational beliefs like a man walking on water(Jesus) and a man flying up into heaven on a flying horse(Muhammad) is normalized.
If the majority of the world believed that aliens were among us and controlling us, and that became a normal belief for most people, then it becomes much easier for crazy people to then think that it’s their moral obligation to start killing innocent people who they believe are aliens.
I don’t want to argue with the 1% of crazy people that they shouldn’t be killing evil aliens disguised as humans. That’s an argument I’m not going to win. I shouldn’t have to make that case. The argument should be aliens aren’t here controlling us, but that becomes hard when 90% of you don’t agree with their violence but agree with them on aliens.
Glory to lord father God in the highest...glory to lord Jesus Christ in the highest...glory to the Holy Spirit in the highest...
GLory to the Triune God in the Highest of Highest...Amen.
Needs more Greco-Roman influence
It's so beautiful..The arcitecture style is modern..only dogmatic is all time classic. The style of a church can be changed..Go on..Thanx God
You are a fool. It looks like a Tylenol pillbox. It does not go with tradition at all.
Speechless 🧎🏻♀️🙏🏼💙🌎🤍🕊
Its beautiful! I like how they decided to go with something modern while respecting the history, and not just replicate something old.
Cross should be Byzantine. Christ on the dome needs to be bigger.
It surely will be the most beautiful Greek Orthodox
church in the whole world ! It takes my breath away. !
In addition, it'll also be a beacon of hope.
@alterdestiny You are historically illiterate. Domes come from the christian byzantine empire. Muslims were influenced by this and their domed mosques are copied from Christian churches of the byzantine empire. The reason why the Kremlin and Russian orthodox churches have dome shapes is because of the byzantine empire. The Hagia Sophia, which is what this church here is based on, is a church built before Muhammad was even born
today is not yesterday
you are clueless
Wow. $200 million?
I Like You, You See (IYQUC) Yep, it's the year 2015 too.
+I Like You, You See (IYQUC) Yep.......location......
Now the lost souls of ground zero will find peace in the hug of st Nicolas. We shall pray for them.
Unreal, people complain about the looks of the church and not having pews. Yet, there are plenty of Orthodox Churches that don't have them. Plus, people complained about the Ground Zero mosque and now they are complaining about this too. Haters gonna hate. By the way, I think it looks great!
Rob Brady It is extremely distasteful and disrespectful to bring up the Ground Zero Mosque in this discussion as the two have NOTHING in common; the Mohammedan can do/build what he wants. This is about 2000 years of Orthodox Christian art and architecture being usurped by modernist clergy to placate a heretical/Protestant/secular tourist crowd. The fact that you "think it looks great" speaks more to your lack of understanding of Orthodoxy than anything else. Pews should NOT be there, since we should be standing anyway. I really don't understand your implication. Are you even Orthodox?
First of all, Greek Orthodox, or for that matter Russian, are never suppose to have pews. Pews are a Protestant thing.
capone70 wow, it took me five years to even notice your rude ignorant comment. Like no Orthodox Christian has ever stood back and said, “I think that a particular Orthodox Church looks good.” Give me a break with your holier than thou attitude. Your attitude is exactly why the Orthodox Church is so uninviting and off putting for non-Greeks, non-Russians, etc., you feel compelled to preach and make anyone that has a different point of view as an outsider. “Put me in my place.” As for mentioning the Ground zero mosque, it’s called Freedom of Speech. It’s on you if you felt that it was distasteful and disrespectful. We’re not in a communist country. And if you would bother reading my comment, I mentioned that pews aren’t found in Orthodox Churches. Although, I’ve been to plenty that have PEWS. Im curious if reading comprehension isn’t your thing or are you merely looking to argue? Feel free to respond with more bigotry if you read this comment.
Johnny Marvéll But plenty Orthodox churches do. So what’s your point? Are they not Orthodox? Honestly, who cares? Most Americans see the Greek, Russian, & Armenian Orthodox churches as only for Greeks, Russian, Armenians. Look at Capone70’s response to me. Would I want to join or promote the Orthodox Church after receiving that garbage? Nope. I wonder if he talks down to church visitors like he did with me or is overly judgmental. No love in his comment. Zilch.
@@robbrady3086 oh i see... *"who cares about this, who cares about"* . THAT'S WHY you people are split into a million different groups with a million different heresies. That's called arrogance. But hey, who cares about facts as long as you have your chips and your ροrn0s, right?
I can't wait to see it with all the Icons in it. Right now it's shown with just the wall icons up.
its not done yet ??
Tasty Food France
Not yet.
Beautiful, for a modern architectural church
Precioso, pero sobre todo, espiritual diseño.
Sr. Calatrava, creo q ha sintetizado la tradición bizantina y la ha fusionado para siempre con la modernidad atemporal.
Make New York great again.
Song name?
Quite fitting for the "multicultural" and politically correct times in which we live.
I SAW HOW THE LIGHT HIT THE GOLDEN CROSS ON THE CHURCH AND I SAW A SPECIAL LIGHT
In went there in real life there still doing construction but the church is really small
The evil one comes to destroy hate kill tear down Halleilujah for our enemies Blessings Love Praise Thanks Amen 🙏.
It is like a museum of modern art. It is not reminds me a church. It is alike a big tomb or a mausoleum. It had to look like a small church of an island of the Agean Sea. Two colors. White and blue. St Nickolas is the protector of the seamen and has no relation with Agia Sophia. Im very sorry.
There putting "the sphere" here
I like this design
An absolute monstrosity
Kyrie Eleison+ Kyrie Eleison+ Kyrie Eleison+
#Beautiful
In front of my house you see dome under construction
Υπέροχο δημιουργημα. Και το γεγονός ότι θα στέκεται δίπλα στο ground zero, το κάνει ακόμη πιο καθηλωτικο. Χαίρομαι που σεβαστηκαν τον ναό που καταστράφηκε κ ανεγειρουν νέο. Γι αυτό κ όσοι σχολιάζετε, σεβαστειτε γενικότερα το όλο σκηνικό κ θέμα. Μιλάμε για το σημείο της πτώσης των διδυμων πυργων. Μην ξεχνάτε
What an ugly and sterile looking "building"! Why couldn't they make a beautiful Byzantine Church (Orthodox) with awesome iconography? What a waste of millions :'(
Because Elpidophoros is a traitor. I could say more, but YT won't allow it.
There is something off about it...
I am Greek and atheist. The church looks great. Santiago calatrava is unique!
Nowhere in the video does it say 'Ground Zero', and yet you make it the title of this video? Why? It's incorrect.
The original church was destroyed on 9/11, so yeah, it's at Ground Zero.
you think? orthodoxwiki.org/File:World_Trade_Center_January_1975.jpg
Μεγαλοπρεπέστατο κτίριο αλλά μόνο Ελληνική Ορθόδοξη εκκλησία δεν θυμίζει δυστυχώς....
I need to study it more more in-depth, it didn't covinced me.
I was expecting something more dramatic in the form from Santiago !
Shalom, Salam, Peace.
Long Live Israel & Long Live Palestine, Want To Be Good Neighbours With Eternal Peace & Love.
Some Extremists From Both Sides, Want To Destroy Each Other, With No Peace Insight.
I hope the Icons aren’t actually black and white
Horrible design.
Disappointing
Of course it's goiNg to look like a mosque......
Actually you're wrong, a Greek Orthodox church is rounded to look like that. Our church is meant to have a circle it shows that the church is never ending just like heaven. So don't assume things you can't fully explain.
I MEANT it looks similar to a mosque...no fkn explanation needed lady
Soteria Psilopoulos
Thank you for that clarification. So few of us in America really get exposed to the Orthodox sect and its denominations of Christianity.
TISH KerrVille Actually you didn't say similar, you said, "Of course it's going to look like a mosque..." that is pretty clear to me. You also need to take a chill pill, I wanted to clarify that because the building of St. Nicholas is a HUGE deal to Orthodox Christians around the world, for the fact that this will be the only church on any part of the World Trade Center perimeter. Plus watch how you talk to people, your immaturity is super high and that's coming from a fourteen year old.
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