The fact that Jeff Gordon beats 7-Time Champion Jimmie Johnson out for the greatest Hendrick driver ever just goes to show you how great he was in his prime.
The casual Jimmie fans will simply look at the championships which are artificial. Gordon owns Jimmie in every statistical category. Wins, top 5s, 10s, poles, lap led (7,000 more) road course wins 9-1, and won titles with multiple crew chiefs
I agree with the Jeff Gordon pick for Hendrick. JG turned Hendrick into a powerhouse, brought on and mentored Jimmie Johnson (this doesn't take away from JJ's achievements), and is still a part of the team today. He was Hendrick's biggest star: he brought a lot of new fans to Nascar and was known outside of Nascar more than most drivers. He also got the fattest paycheck of any Nascar driver, which might say something about his importance.
Tbh I expected you to pick Johnson over Gordon for having 7 titles but Gordon in his prime and adding up to 93 wins total was unbeatable even compared to Johnson in his prime.
Not to mention he was mentored in a way by Dale Earnhardt (of all people) in the business side of NASCAR, capitalizing in the rivalry they had big time, and somewhat passing those racing skills over to Johnson once Kenseth brought the Winston system down as a way to keep himself in shape. He could have retired with 7 championships under his belt in 2014 had the sytem been the same throughout
@@S.K.R.E.Inc.They never had a rivalry. That was made up to generate more attention for NASCAR. Even Jeff and Ray said that. Jeff was in a league of his own. Similar to Jimmie during his reign. He never had a rival unless you bring up Kurt Busch not wanting to get beat by Jimmie.
I almost spit my drink out from laughing at the start of the RCR portion. No offense at all to Mike Skinner, nobody, not even Jesus would've been able to be Big E's "teammate"
I as a Rusty fan when I was a kid… Can say that Logan is easily the best driver for Team Penske. He got two championships… Rusty never won a championship for Roger. Or even a Daytona 500 win like Joey also has over Rusty. Just my opinion as a Penske fan.
Gordon is the greatest driver of all time in my opinion. JJ is tied with my favorite but Jeff was the best there ever was. 93 career wins in the modern era is insane.
I think for Penske Brad Keselowski or Joey Logano could be argued to be better. Keselowski had 34 wins and Penske's first championship in 2012, and Logano currently has 30 wins and 2 championships. Of them, Keselowski I believe was even more important than Rusty Wallace because he came in, completely revitalized the team, brought them a title, and made them a top-flight team.
@@chadhenderson9732both of them have done more at Penske..and Logano, as much as I can’t stand him…is a far better wheel man…this coming from someone beyond their 20’s.
Without Jeff Gordon NASCAR doesn’t become a mainstream sport in the late 90s and early 2000s and there is no Jimmie Johnson at least not at HMS. Under old points Jeff would lead everything and be the one with 7 titles. Picking Jeff over Jimmie is an easy call.
At least out west, where he grew up. Fontana wouldn't exist, and Sonoma would have been demoed by now had he not taken the racing world by storm, especially when he was messing around with a certain man in black...
I’m gonna need some more explanation on Rusty. I agree he’s great, but overlooking 4 championships won by Penske drivers not named Rusty is a glaring omission
Bro didn't even mentioned Brad Keselowski, who helped build the team into a perennial title contender. People forget that they were a fringe contender, like Ganassi in the late 2010's with Larson, before Keselowski showed up
Some of the major teams: Di Gard racing: Bobby Allison Robert Yates: Dale Jarrett Melling: Bill Elliott Rod Osterlund: Dale Earnhardt Petty Enterprises: Richard Petty Bud Moore: Joe Weatherly K&K: Bobby Isaac Junior Johnson: Cale Yarborough Holman Moody: David Pearson Chip Ganassi: Sterling Marlin.
@@jamesbraun9842 I would give Davey Allison the franchise driver for Robert Yates Racing. I know DJ got the only championship for Yates, but Allison had the better winning percentage (15 wins in 132 races vs 29 wins in 411 races). By the time DJ came to Yates, they had grown to be a championship caliber team. (The 88 season with Harry Reiner was the first full season for the team in over 10 years of being a part time team mainly).
Gordon had more wins, more crown Jewels, and won his championship in the format that actually mattered.not to mention he scored more season long points in 3 different seasons during the Chase Era.
In my opinion, Johnson is easily the best in HMS history. 7 championships across 3 points layouts and 3 different cars. Along with driving against Jeff for most of his career. (Ik its not prime jeff) the season that proves my point is 2007. Both doing incredible, and yet Johnson won 10 races along with the championship.
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Mark Martin also finished runner up to Jimmie Johnson in 2009. So, you're right it took some of the best ever, Earnhardt, Gordon, Stewart and Johnson to keep him from the title. A total of 21 championships among those 4. Denny Hamlin will be in the conversation of best driver never to win a championship if he never gets a title before he retires. as he has 51 wins to Martin's 40, and he's still active. No point in saying anymore in case he wins a title before hanging it up, As for Hendrick, I have to lean toward Jimmie Johnson. 7 titles with FIVE IN A ROW. 'Nuff said.
Unfortunately his career being split between 2 teams killed that chance as he is sandwiched between harvick and busch for better performance at both orgs. Tony is def a top 10 all time guy imo along with Harv and Busch. But in this scenario he doesn’t have the 3 chips with 2 and 1 respectively tying him with the others with les wins. Absolutely great driver though and no disrespect by not being listed.
So hard to pick between Jeff Gordon and Jimmie however I feel like choosing Jeff may be right. Jimmie's performance went downhill in the last few years of his career while Gordon was competitive all the time, he also won a bit more races than Jimmie
2019 Homestead is in a weird way the difference. If Hamlin wins, they’re only separated by 11 wins with a championship each. Hamlin actually has finished higher in points than Busch more seasons that not. Hamlin with a championship becomes a top 20 driver of all time.
Jeff was the correct call. Yeah, one could say Jimmie had the championship figure advantage... but who co-owned that car and still does? Jeff Gordon. I'm not saying that Jimmie's success was all because of Jeff, but Jeff has done so much and has had a hand in all of the greatest successes of Hendrick.
I agree with most of these but I’m definitely taking Logano for Penske. Rusty had 37 wins with Penske while Logano already has 30 with Penske. Logano also beats Rusty 2-0 when it comes to championships with Penske. Logano also has a Daytona 500 with Penske. Logano is also doing all of this in a more competitive era.
Honestly, it's a toss-up for me, yes Logano has achieved more than Rusty, but keep in mind without Rusty, Penske probably wouldn't be in Nascar since at heart he was an open wheel guy
Under Winston cup system Gordon would’ve had 7 and Jimmie would’ve had 4. The Winston Cup system rewarded consistency throughout the entire season whereas the playoffs/chase definitely favored the end of the season. They’re both definitely great drivers, but IMO over Gordon’s career he was more consistent and just better than Jimmie. Having the 3rd most race wins ever is no laughing matter! Especially with the fierce competition Gordon was up against! They’re both phenomenal, but in my heart I know Gordon was better
In my heart and head Gordon was better, it’s really not even close. Johnson had better equipment longer and Knaus above the pit box. A North Carolina based sponsor who owned track rights and lined drunk Brian’s pockets. Johnson was mediocre at best before Hendrick and downright embarrassing in an indycar. He also struggled his entire career on road courses and hasn’t won anything in over 5 seasons.
Under a different format drivers would have raced different their strategies would have changed besides Dale Earnhardt was better than Jeff or Jimmie cry all you want but Dale is was and always will be the best ever
Jeff Gordon (1993-2015, 23 Seasons): In 798 Starts -> 93 Wins, 325 Top 5s, 475 Top 10s, 81 Poles, Led 25930 of 228488 Laps, 581 Lead Lap Finishes, 100 DNFs, An Average Start of 10.39, An Average Finish of 12.47, and 4 Championships (1995, 1997-1998, and 2001). Jimmie Johnson (2002-2020, 19 Seasons): In 682 Starts -> 83 Wins, 232 Top 5s, 374 Top 10s, 36 Poles, Led 18941 of 193389 Laps, 501 Lead Lap Finishes, 73 DNFs, An Average Start of 13.38, An Average Finish of 13.73, and 7 Championships (2005-2010, 2013, and 2016). Number of Starts: Jeff Gordon Number of Wins: Jeff Gordon Number of Top 5s: Jeff Gordon Number of Top 10s: Jeff Gordon Poles: Jeff Gordon Laps Led: Jeff Gordon Laps Ran: Jeff Gordon Lead Lap Finishes: Jeff Gordon Least Amount of DNFs: Jimmie Johnson Average Start: Jeff Gordon Average Finish: Jeff Gordon Championships: Jimmie Johnson
When we talk about hms we immediately think of Jeff Gordon cause he is just too memorable he is the most memorable driver other than Richard petty and even tho Jimmie is the 2nd best ever driver, Jeff if just more memorable than him, not better, just more memorable
I think he should make another video Of modern day drivers like 2010s and up or so because of course most of these teams have that one guy from the 80s or 90s to be the reason the team is even relevant Of course a lot of modern guys aren't going to live up to the likes of rusty Wallace dale Earnhardt mark Martin and Pearson so it's not really fair
Here’s a question. While I LOVE the Jimmie vs Jeff debate, does Larson have ANY chance at unseating them as the best HMS driver? He’s clearly the top-dog at HMS currently, had that dominant 2021, and finished 2nd this past year. 3 seasons in, the worst he’s finished in the point I believe is 9th in 2022, and I don’t see him slowing down anytime soon. If he can rattle off 3-5 wins a season for the next 10 years (assuming he stays at HMS) and can pick up another title or two, I’d imagine he’d have to be in the conversation, right?
I don’t think Larson will come close to Gordon/Johnson debate. I think his 10 wins in ‘21 was going to be his best season he ever has. I think his 3/4 wins in 22 & 23 is what to normally expect him to compete for. But he’s already 31, and I can really only see him competing for another 5-6 years. I think his love of dirt going to have him retire early and be more involved with that area.
Joey easily should’ve been penske’s pick here , 2 more championships than rusty (with Penske ) got , Daytona 500 , and the dudes only what 33 years old meaning he more than likely can even out win rusty as rn it’s 32-55 and logano is as mentioned only 33 years old here could easily go over 12 more years if he wanted to and I believe he can surpass 55 wins personally , I think JL deserves his flowers here
i agree that gordon was the “greatest” hendrick driver because he has better stats. but for those claiming he is a “better” all time driver? i think thats incorrect and here is why. gordon is great for hendrick because he turned that organization into the top dog as a driver. and was there longer than jimmie. why i think jimmie was better follows with these reasons: jimmie only has worse stats because he was always competing with gordon (and i believe outperformed him most years). johnson has about one year of good racing left after gordon retired and won a championship in that one year. and if they started and even ended the same time, jimmie would easily have better stats. not sure about this but it may even under the winston format. all numbers have context behind them. one could make the knaus carried argument but jimmie simply beat jeff when they were together. so while jimmie isnt the legacy pick for hendrick, he is the talent pick
Re: Mark Martin I think S1apSh0es put it best: “Mark Martin had the misfortune of being one of the best NASCAR drivers of all time, while competing against **THE** greatest drivers of all time.”
Nah, LaJoie is so not good that ZSmith and Hocevar will outperform him easily despite them being rookies, just look at how LaJoie sucked in an HMS ride back when Chase was suspended...
Is it ok to say that KFB is a modern day "Richard Petty". In my opinion, the goat of modern Nascar ( from 2008 to now ). He's still looking to beat Dale Sr win tally.
McDowell clearly for Front Row. They had a couple "fluke" wins with Ragan and Buescher, but they basically built that team around him, and Michael had bounced around from MWR to LFR and maybe other teams? And Love's stepped up their sponsorship with him too, he's a good fit for them, he's criminally underrated and maybe the nicest guy in the sport too.
I agree 100 percent with you and that tact yat without jeff you never would have heard of Jimmie and Jimmie couldn't win with any other crew chief besides chad settles that debate
The best drivers in modern NASCAR teams by rank 1. Richard Petty "The King" (STP/LMC) 2. Dale Earnhardt "The Ironhead Intimidator" (RCR) 3. Jeff Gordon "The Kid" (HMS) 4. Jimmie Johnson "The Lowe's Guy" (HMS) 5. Kevin Harvick "The Closer" (SHR/RCR) 6. Tony Stewart "Smoke" (JGR) 7. Mark Martin "The Guy from Arkansas" (R[FK]) 8. Rusty Wallace "Lite Beer Guy" (Penske) 9. Kyle Busch "Rowdy" (JGR/RCR) 10. Ryan Newman "Rocketman (not the song)" [Penske/R]
@@KrebsNB1- How? Busch has had elite equipment his entire career and when Harvick had good equipment in a 6 year stretch his best years were better than Busch’s
Jeff Gordon: Rick Hendrick Dale Earnhardt Sr: Richard Childress Kyle Busch: Joe Gibbs Kevin Harvick: SHR Rusty Wallace: Roger Penske Mark Martin: Jack Roush Ricky Stenhouse Jr: JTG Daughtry David Pearson: Wood Brothers Ross Chastain: Trackhouse AJ Allmendinger: Matthew Kaulig Michael McDowell: Front Row Corey Lajoie: Spire JJ Yeley: Rick Ware Tyler Reddick: 23XI BJ McLeod: his own team Richard Petty: Legacy Motor Club
Under Winston cup system Gordon would’ve had 7 and Jimmie would’ve had 4. The Winston Cup system rewarded consistency throughout the entire season whereas the playoffs/chase definitely favored the end of the season. They’re both definitely great drivers, but IMO over Gordon’s career he was more consistent and just better than Jimmie. Having the 3rd most race wins ever is no laughing matter! Especially with the fierce competition Gordon was up against! They’re both phenomenal, but in my heart I know Gordon was better
Tony Stewart is JGR's elite driver. Kyle Busch's stats will always and forever be inflated. Plus winning 2 championships in 2 different points formats is still pretty good.
Too bad he ditched them the moment they went Toyota. Would have loved to see how he did in dem chetin curs and maybe hinder Kyle Busch's emergence for a bit
Jimmie Johnson is the greatest Hendrick driver… winning 7 titles over 4 different playoff formats, 5 of the 7 being consecutive championships and scoring 83 victories only 10 less than Jeff Gordon… I’m sorry but Gordon’s prime is no match for Johnson’s career legacy.
Jeff Gordon built Hendrick, Jimmie wouldn't have had the run he did if jeff didn't bring the success sponsors and the lot to the team that built them into the powerhouse they ended up as they were.
Kia credit whenever you consider how the point systems changed that if you analyze how Richard Petty and Dale Earnhardt won their championships that Jeff Gordon also would’ve won seven championships under that format, and Jimmy Johnson would not have nearly as many that I think it’s really fair to say that Jeff Gordon is the best driver ever from Hendrick
You can't analyze the drivers using different points systems. It's apples and oranges. If I put the shoe on the other foot and applied the Chase format to yesterdays drivers, for the most part they wouldn't have as many championships as the have now. I have actually done that before to prove a point. My results are lost in some TH-cam comment section, but nearly every great driver had fewer championships...not because they are less talented at the Chase format, it was because the old format didn't require them to practically win the last race of the season after going through an elimination format...it was because the rules were different. So just like you cant judge yesterdays drivers by todays rules, you can't apply yesterdays rules to todays drivers. There is no proof that Gordon would have won 7 titles. There is some evidence that Johnson would have done just fine in the old format, because he did, in 2002 he finished 5th and 2003 he finished 2nd...ahead of Gordon. In 2004 I would argue that Jimmie would have won his first championship if not for the Chase format being implemented. Jimmie had the best stats of any driver that year by far, but Kurt Busch won. New rules require new race strategy.
@@KrebsNB1- most wins in the modern era Most top5s Most top 10s Most poles 4 championships 7 overall points leader finishes Best avg start 2nd best average finish Don’t know how you can argue with that lol
1. Richard Petty 2. Dale Earnhardt 3. Jeff Gordon 4. Jimmie Johnson 5. Kevin Harvick 6. Tony Stewart 7. Mark Martin 8. Rusty Wallace 9. Kyle Busch 10. Bobby Labonte There
Who do you think are the best drivers ever for each modern NASCAR team?
Logano is the "best" at Penske. But Blaney is coming up
RCR by far Dale
McDowell Supremacy!
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Can you do this with defunct teams? Who was the worst or the best at the teams that don't exist or rebranded.
Jeff Gordon for Hendrick. What he did for HMS turning them into a powerhouse organization is incredible.
If Matt Kenseth didn't win, he would have won 7 championships by the time he retired in 2015
Also, what he did for HMS in convincing them to bring in Jimmie. If it wasn’t for Jeff’s support, Jimmie probably doesn’t get the 48 ride.
The fact that Jeff Gordon beats 7-Time Champion Jimmie Johnson out for the greatest Hendrick driver ever just goes to show you how great he was in his prime.
We really never fell off to the point that most do. He won from the beginning to the end.
He was easily better than Jimmie
it was definitely easy to be a Jeff Gordon fan from 2005 when I found nascar to his retirement
The casual Jimmie fans will simply look at the championships which are artificial. Gordon owns Jimmie in every statistical category. Wins, top 5s, 10s, poles, lap led (7,000 more) road course wins 9-1, and won titles with multiple crew chiefs
If the points stayed under the old Winston Cup system Jeff would be a 5 or 6 time champion.
I agree with the Jeff Gordon pick for Hendrick. JG turned Hendrick into a powerhouse, brought on and mentored Jimmie Johnson (this doesn't take away from JJ's achievements), and is still a part of the team today. He was Hendrick's biggest star: he brought a lot of new fans to Nascar and was known outside of Nascar more than most drivers. He also got the fattest paycheck of any Nascar driver, which might say something about his importance.
Tbh I expected you to pick Johnson over Gordon for having 7 titles but Gordon in his prime and adding up to 93 wins total was unbeatable even compared to Johnson in his prime.
Not to mention he was mentored in a way by Dale Earnhardt (of all people) in the business side of NASCAR, capitalizing in the rivalry they had big time, and somewhat passing those racing skills over to Johnson once Kenseth brought the Winston system down as a way to keep himself in shape. He could have retired with 7 championships under his belt in 2014 had the sytem been the same throughout
Playoff championships don't mean much, Jeff Gordon always had more raw talent
Gordon would've had 7 championships under the old format
@@S.K.R.E.Inc.They never had a rivalry. That was made up to generate more attention for NASCAR. Even Jeff and Ray said that. Jeff was in a league of his own. Similar to Jimmie during his reign. He never had a rival unless you bring up Kurt Busch not wanting to get beat by Jimmie.
Johnson raced in the old format...and he beat Gordon in it.@@walletracer9882
I almost spit my drink out from laughing at the start of the RCR portion. No offense at all to Mike Skinner, nobody, not even Jesus would've been able to be Big E's "teammate"
and the sad thing is Dale didn't even want a teammate due to the stigma of drivers at the time
I as a Rusty fan when I was a kid…
Can say that Logan is easily the best driver for Team Penske.
He got two championships…
Rusty never won a championship for Roger. Or even a Daytona 500 win like Joey also has over Rusty.
Just my opinion as a Penske fan.
Gordon gave up his crew chief to the car he partially owned. Chad’s calls won Jimmie so many of his races. Jeff is clear good choice:)
Gordon is the greatest driver of all time in my opinion. JJ is tied with my favorite but Jeff was the best there ever was.
93 career wins in the modern era is insane.
Dale Earnhardt was better get over it child 7 to 4 plus Dale had tougher competition and lesser equipment
@@rcguy902tougher competition jeff literally went up against 2 7 time champs in jimmy and dale
@@andrewjohnson7645 Dale had tougher competition than Jeff
richard petty is the greatest driver of all time the man had 200 wins and seven championships
@@CommonW1 Dale Earnhardt is Nascars greatest ever
I think for Penske Brad Keselowski or Joey Logano could be argued to be better. Keselowski had 34 wins and Penske's first championship in 2012, and Logano currently has 30 wins and 2 championships. Of them, Keselowski I believe was even more important than Rusty Wallace because he came in, completely revitalized the team, brought them a title, and made them a top-flight team.
Neither are a better wheel man then wallace. I'm sure you're in your 20s saying thst statement. Lol
All of them are equally as good as each other. I love them all so I can't put one above the other two and vice-versa
@@chadhenderson9732both of them have done more at Penske..and Logano, as much as I can’t stand him…is a far better wheel man…this coming from someone beyond their 20’s.
Without Jeff Gordon NASCAR doesn’t become a mainstream sport in the late 90s and early 2000s and there is no Jimmie Johnson at least not at HMS. Under old points Jeff would lead everything and be the one with 7 titles. Picking Jeff over Jimmie is an easy call.
At least out west, where he grew up. Fontana wouldn't exist, and Sonoma would have been demoed by now had he not taken the racing world by storm, especially when he was messing around with a certain man in black...
Saying Gordon would have 7 titles is total BS.
I’m gonna need some more explanation on Rusty. I agree he’s great, but overlooking 4 championships won by Penske drivers not named Rusty is a glaring omission
Bro didn't even mentioned Brad Keselowski, who helped build the team into a perennial title contender. People forget that they were a fringe contender, like Ganassi in the late 2010's with Larson, before Keselowski showed up
I would like to see a list like this for old nascar teams that's not around anymore that would be awesome and Jeff Gordon is the best
Some of the major teams:
Di Gard racing: Bobby Allison
Robert Yates: Dale Jarrett
Melling: Bill Elliott
Rod Osterlund: Dale Earnhardt
Petty Enterprises: Richard Petty
Bud Moore: Joe Weatherly
K&K: Bobby Isaac
Junior Johnson: Cale Yarborough
Holman Moody: David Pearson
Chip Ganassi: Sterling Marlin.
@@jamesbraun9842For Junior Johnson its got to be Waltrip
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I would give Davey Allison the franchise driver for Robert Yates Racing. I know DJ got the only championship for Yates, but Allison had the better winning percentage (15 wins in 132 races vs 29 wins in 411 races).
By the time DJ came to Yates, they had grown to be a championship caliber team.
(The 88 season with Harry Reiner was the first full season for the team in over 10 years of being a part time team mainly).
Dale Earnhardt was better than Jeff ever was
Gordon had more wins, more crown Jewels, and won his championship in the format that actually mattered.not to mention he scored more season long points in 3 different seasons during the Chase Era.
In my opinion, Johnson is easily the best in HMS history. 7 championships across 3 points layouts and 3 different cars. Along with driving against Jeff for most of his career. (Ik its not prime jeff) the season that proves my point is 2007. Both doing incredible, and yet Johnson won 10 races along with the championship.
You don’t think Denny has enough in him to win six more races?
6 more at this stage in his career is more difficult than it sounds.
JJ Yeley winning superspeedway race next year calling it rn
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Trackhouse: #1 Ross Chastain
Penske: #2 Rusty Wallace
RCR: #3 Dale Earnhardt
SHR: #4 Kevin Harvick
HMS: #48 Jimmie Johnson
RFK: #6 Mark Martin
Spire: #7 Corey LaJoie
JGR: #18 Kyle Busch
WBR: #21 David Pearson
23XI: #45 Tyler Reddick
FRM: #34 Michael McDowell
LMC: #43 Erik Jones
JTG: #47 Ricky Stenhouse Jr.
Lol 😂 Jimmie Johnson
Mark Martin also finished runner up to Jimmie Johnson in 2009. So, you're right it took some of the best ever, Earnhardt, Gordon, Stewart and Johnson to keep him from the title. A total of 21 championships among those 4.
Denny Hamlin will be in the conversation of best driver never to win a championship if he never gets a title before he retires. as he has 51 wins to Martin's 40, and he's still active. No point in saying anymore in case he wins a title before hanging it up,
As for Hendrick, I have to lean toward Jimmie Johnson. 7 titles with FIVE IN A ROW. 'Nuff said.
Hamlin has what Martin doesn't: a Daytona 500 win, and 3 of them. I still can't belive the Johnson dynasty is almost 20 years old now
The shade on Tony Stewart not being anywhere on this list. Wow.
Unfortunately his career being split between 2 teams killed that chance as he is sandwiched between harvick and busch for better performance at both orgs. Tony is def a top 10 all time guy imo along with Harv and Busch. But in this scenario he doesn’t have the 3 chips with 2 and 1 respectively tying him with the others with les wins. Absolutely great driver though and no disrespect by not being listed.
I love these types of videos and look for more, def one of my fav NASCAR TH-camrs
He's THE NASCAR TH-camR. No one else comes close
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So hard to pick between Jeff Gordon and Jimmie however I feel like choosing Jeff may be right. Jimmie's performance went downhill in the last few years of his career while Gordon was competitive all the time, he also won a bit more races than Jimmie
Denny is very close to breaking Kyle's JGR win record
Kyle will always have the edge being a champion but Hamlin is alot closer than most think..
2019 Homestead is in a weird way the difference. If Hamlin wins, they’re only separated by 11 wins with a championship each. Hamlin actually has finished higher in points than Busch more seasons that not. Hamlin with a championship becomes a top 20 driver of all time.
Ross chastain looks like a terminator trying to fit in.
I think it would be a neat idea to have a second best in each modern team. That could really open up the debate
Jeff was the correct call. Yeah, one could say Jimmie had the championship figure advantage... but who co-owned that car and still does? Jeff Gordon. I'm not saying that Jimmie's success was all because of Jeff, but Jeff has done so much and has had a hand in all of the greatest successes of Hendrick.
just for the memes you should have put mark as the 2nd best roush driver
I agree with most of these but I’m definitely taking Logano for Penske. Rusty had 37 wins with Penske while Logano already has 30 with Penske. Logano also beats Rusty 2-0 when it comes to championships with Penske. Logano also has a Daytona 500 with Penske. Logano is also doing all of this in a more competitive era.
Honestly, it's a toss-up for me, yes Logano has achieved more than Rusty, but keep in mind without Rusty, Penske probably wouldn't be in Nascar since at heart he was an open wheel guy
@@xavierjuno4572 I wouldn't have picked Rusty either I would've pick Brad Keselowski getting Dodge's final Cup series title.
I honestly would like a best of every team, where you had to pick somebody whos still there
Under Winston cup system Gordon would’ve had 7 and Jimmie would’ve had 4. The Winston Cup system rewarded consistency throughout the entire season whereas the playoffs/chase definitely favored the end of the season. They’re both definitely great drivers, but IMO over Gordon’s career he was more consistent and just better than Jimmie. Having the 3rd most race wins ever is no laughing matter! Especially with the fierce competition Gordon was up against! They’re both phenomenal, but in my heart I know Gordon was better
Even with the current format, if not for a minute or so across his entire career, Gordon would've had NINE.
@@noviranger88I didn’t even know that! That’s MENTAL!
And all it took was 1 Matt Kenseth to take ALL THAT AWAY
In my heart and head Gordon was better, it’s really not even close. Johnson had better equipment longer and Knaus above the pit box. A North Carolina based sponsor who owned track rights and lined drunk Brian’s pockets. Johnson was mediocre at best before Hendrick and downright embarrassing in an indycar. He also struggled his entire career on road courses and hasn’t won anything in over 5 seasons.
Under a different format drivers would have raced different their strategies would have changed besides Dale Earnhardt was better than Jeff or Jimmie cry all you want but Dale is was and always will be the best ever
I thought you would go with Ricky Rudd for Wood Brothers. But I had no idea that David Pearson was that good with them.
Jeff Gordon (1993-2015, 23 Seasons): In 798 Starts -> 93 Wins, 325 Top 5s, 475 Top 10s, 81 Poles, Led 25930 of 228488 Laps, 581 Lead Lap Finishes, 100 DNFs, An Average Start of 10.39, An Average Finish of 12.47, and 4 Championships (1995, 1997-1998, and 2001).
Jimmie Johnson (2002-2020, 19 Seasons): In 682 Starts -> 83 Wins, 232 Top 5s, 374 Top 10s, 36 Poles, Led 18941 of 193389 Laps, 501 Lead Lap Finishes, 73 DNFs, An Average Start of 13.38, An Average Finish of 13.73, and 7 Championships (2005-2010, 2013, and 2016).
Number of Starts: Jeff Gordon
Number of Wins: Jeff Gordon
Number of Top 5s: Jeff Gordon
Number of Top 10s: Jeff Gordon
Poles: Jeff Gordon
Laps Led: Jeff Gordon
Laps Ran: Jeff Gordon
Lead Lap Finishes: Jeff Gordon
Least Amount of DNFs: Jimmie Johnson
Average Start: Jeff Gordon
Average Finish: Jeff Gordon
Championships: Jimmie Johnson
Roush's best-ever driver is Greg Biffle
When we talk about hms we immediately think of Jeff Gordon cause he is just too memorable he is the most memorable driver other than Richard petty and even tho Jimmie is the 2nd best ever driver, Jeff if just more memorable than him, not better, just more memorable
Why did I think that Jaret was talking about Current day Drivers like Larson, Logano, and Reddick just to name a few?
I think he should make another video
Of modern day drivers like 2010s and up or so because of course most of these teams have that one guy from the 80s or 90s to be the reason the team is even relevant
Of course a lot of modern guys aren't going to live up to the likes of rusty Wallace dale Earnhardt mark Martin and Pearson so it's not really fair
Here’s a question. While I LOVE the Jimmie vs Jeff debate, does Larson have ANY chance at unseating them as the best HMS driver? He’s clearly the top-dog at HMS currently, had that dominant 2021, and finished 2nd this past year. 3 seasons in, the worst he’s finished in the point I believe is 9th in 2022, and I don’t see him slowing down anytime soon. If he can rattle off 3-5 wins a season for the next 10 years (assuming he stays at HMS) and can pick up another title or two, I’d imagine he’d have to be in the conversation, right?
You can't hold the lack of titles against anyone racing in the winner take all format we've had for pretty much his entire career.
I don’t think Larson will come close to Gordon/Johnson debate.
I think his 10 wins in ‘21 was going to be his best season he ever has.
I think his 3/4 wins in 22 & 23 is what to normally expect him to compete for. But he’s already 31, and I can really only see him competing for another 5-6 years.
I think his love of dirt going to have him retire early and be more involved with that area.
I don’t think picking Jeff Gordon is controversial at all
Joey easily should’ve been penske’s pick here , 2 more championships than rusty (with Penske ) got , Daytona 500 , and the dudes only what 33 years old meaning he more than likely can even out win rusty as rn it’s 32-55 and logano is as mentioned only 33 years old here could easily go over 12 more years if he wanted to and I believe he can surpass 55 wins personally , I think JL deserves his flowers here
i agree that gordon was the “greatest” hendrick driver because he has better stats. but for those claiming he is a “better” all time driver? i think thats incorrect and here is why.
gordon is great for hendrick because he turned that organization into the top dog as a driver. and was there longer than jimmie.
why i think jimmie was better follows with these reasons: jimmie only has worse stats because he was always competing with gordon (and i believe outperformed him most years). johnson has about one year of good racing left after gordon retired and won a championship in that one year. and if they started and even ended the same time, jimmie would easily have better stats. not sure about this but it may even under the winston format.
all numbers have context behind them. one could make the knaus carried argument but jimmie simply beat jeff when they were together. so while jimmie isnt the legacy pick for hendrick, he is the talent pick
the spire one aged.... interestingly.
Re: Mark Martin
I think S1apSh0es put it best:
“Mark Martin had the misfortune of being one of the best NASCAR drivers of all time, while competing against **THE** greatest drivers of all time.”
It’s Gordon easily. What he did not only for Hendrick but nascar. Also Logano at Penske and Denny is the best non championship driver over mark
5:48 as of next year, that is definitely in jeopardy
Hocevar in his rookie season isn’t gonna be the best spire driver
Nah, LaJoie is so not good that ZSmith and Hocevar will outperform him easily despite them being rookies, just look at how LaJoie sucked in an HMS ride back when Chase was suspended...
7 Titles and did it with Gordon in the field driving the same car.
Casual fan alert 🚨
I’d say Kenseth for Roush
But it’s very
VERY
close
I think that you hit 100% right on.
Jeff Gordon was the right choice tbh. Without him Jimmie wouldn't have even joined the team.
If you're saying best driver not best driving specifically regarding nascar results then Shane and Kimi definitely pip Ross
Is it ok to say that KFB is a modern day "Richard Petty".
In my opinion, the goat of modern Nascar ( from 2008 to now ).
He's still looking to beat Dale Sr win tally.
If he drove the 3 car, he would have done it already and triggered the fans in the process
The modern era started in 1972 not 98
Nope best since 08 is jimmie
Bros only "highlight" for JJ Yeley at Rick Ware is him getting spun out by Denny Hamlin
7-Time Champion Jimmie Johnson for sure!
McDowell clearly for Front Row. They had a couple "fluke" wins with Ragan and Buescher, but they basically built that team around him, and Michael had bounced around from MWR to LFR and maybe other teams? And Love's stepped up their sponsorship with him too, he's a good fit for them, he's criminally underrated and maybe the nicest guy in the sport too.
Truex is definitely close
Gordon is definitely the best Hendrick has with William Byron right now as thier best
I agree 100 percent with you and that tact yat without jeff you never would have heard of Jimmie and Jimmie couldn't win with any other crew chief besides chad settles that debate
Idk how you pick Gordon when JJ is the GOAT
The best driver at 23XI is Denny Hamlin lmao
I still refuse to acknowledge the name "Legacy Motor Club". It will always be Petty Enterprises, therefore, the greatest driver is King Richard
The best drivers in modern NASCAR teams by rank
1. Richard Petty "The King" (STP/LMC)
2. Dale Earnhardt "The Ironhead Intimidator" (RCR)
3. Jeff Gordon "The Kid" (HMS)
4. Jimmie Johnson "The Lowe's Guy" (HMS)
5. Kevin Harvick "The Closer" (SHR/RCR)
6. Tony Stewart "Smoke" (JGR)
7. Mark Martin "The Guy from Arkansas" (R[FK])
8. Rusty Wallace "Lite Beer Guy" (Penske)
9. Kyle Busch "Rowdy" (JGR/RCR)
10. Ryan Newman "Rocketman (not the song)" [Penske/R]
Bush is easy better than rusty, Mark Martin ,Harvick and Stewart
Petty is the most overrated driver in Nascar history.
@@KrebsNB1- Busch over the others not sure about Harvick
@@Weezy10580 busch easy Clears Harvick
@@KrebsNB1- How? Busch has had elite equipment his entire career and when Harvick had good equipment in a 6 year stretch his best years were better than Busch’s
For HMS ( I wish they would never win again.. ) Texas Terry !!!
Jeff Gordon: Rick Hendrick
Dale Earnhardt Sr: Richard Childress
Kyle Busch: Joe Gibbs
Kevin Harvick: SHR
Rusty Wallace: Roger Penske
Mark Martin: Jack Roush
Ricky Stenhouse Jr: JTG Daughtry
David Pearson: Wood Brothers
Ross Chastain: Trackhouse
AJ Allmendinger: Matthew Kaulig
Michael McDowell: Front Row
Corey Lajoie: Spire
JJ Yeley: Rick Ware
Tyler Reddick: 23XI
BJ McLeod: his own team
Richard Petty: Legacy Motor Club
No way Jeff Gordon over Jimmie
Jimmie Johnson: HMS*
I would put Bobby Labonte over Kyle Busch no cap.
Under Winston cup system Gordon would’ve had 7 and Jimmie would’ve had 4. The Winston Cup system rewarded consistency throughout the entire season whereas the playoffs/chase definitely favored the end of the season. They’re both definitely great drivers, but IMO over Gordon’s career he was more consistent and just better than Jimmie. Having the 3rd most race wins ever is no laughing matter! Especially with the fierce competition Gordon was up against! They’re both phenomenal, but in my heart I know Gordon was better
Spot on you got my picks
ROWDY FAN FOR LIFE ❤️🏁🤙🎱
Every other sport correlates greatness with titles, so my opinion would be Logano at Penske, Johnson at HMS.
7:57 caught that lol
You should do a best paint schemes from modern teams history
Hey Iceberg...Who is your Mt. Rushmore picks.
JJ YELEY MENTIONNED LET'S FUCKING GO
Tony Stewart is JGR's elite driver. Kyle Busch's stats will always and forever be inflated. Plus winning 2 championships in 2 different points formats is still pretty good.
Too bad he ditched them the moment they went Toyota. Would have loved to see how he did in dem chetin curs and maybe hinder Kyle Busch's emergence for a bit
I would take Gordon over Johnson as well
Jimmie Johnson is the greatest Hendrick driver… winning 7 titles over 4 different playoff formats, 5 of the 7 being consecutive championships and scoring 83 victories only 10 less than Jeff Gordon… I’m sorry but Gordon’s prime is no match for Johnson’s career legacy.
ok, FIVE championships in a row. more than Gordon ever had, and add 2 more chips on top. Goat.
Johnson's 7 were decided over 70 races and Gordon's 4 were decided over 132.
Congratulations on the casual fan award 🥇
Jeff is better than Jimmie and he should have seven titles instead of just four.
OH YEAH TYLER ❤❤
Jeff Gordon built Hendrick, Jimmie wouldn't have had the run he did if jeff didn't bring the success sponsors and the lot to the team that built them into the powerhouse they ended up as they were.
im not sure you can put rusty over joey anymore, even if everybody prefers him
Well Kurt Bush only did half a season due to injury
I feel like SVG got robbed. He has a 50 win percentage 😂😂
They are the best.what sucks is they are gone and the good ones now will be gone. It should be interesting 😊
Brad K robbed for Penske. Like bro straight up brought that team to greatness
I hope Lajoie gets a 5 star ride, he outperforms his equipment by ALOT
Not when he drove the 9 car…😊
I think if Denny wins a championship and beats Kyle’s win total which he is 4 away from the conversion may change for JGR
According to me though, Team Penske's best driver ever... is Will Power. :)
I honestly think Corey Lajoie is gonna have a huge breakout 2024 season
EVERY NASCAR Driver's FAVORITE Team:
Richard Petty (Petty Enterprises) ...of course
Dale Earnhardt (Richard Childress)
Jeff Gordon (Hendrick Motorsports)
Jimmie Johnson (Hendrick Motorsports)
Kyle Busch (Joe Gibbs)
Joey Logano (Penske)
Brad Keselowski (Penske)
Ryan Blaney (Penske)
Kyle Larson (Hendrick Motorsports)
Mark Martin (Roush Racing)
Carl Edwards (Roush Racing)
Dale Jarrett (Robert Yates)
Darrell Waltrip (Junior Johnson)
Matt Kenseth (Roush Racing)
Kurt Busch (Roush Racing)
Tony Stewart (Joe Gibbs)
Kevin Harvick (Stewart HAAS Racing)
Martin Truex Jr. (Furniture Row Racing)
Dale Earnhardt Jr. (DEI/Dale Earnhardt Inc.)
Ryan Newman (Penske)
Bill Elliott (Melling Racing)
Rusty Wallace (Penske)
David Pearson (Wood Brothers)
Cale Yarborough (Junior Johnson)
Elliott Sadler (Robert Yates)
Bobby Allison (Bobby Allison Motorports/Coca-Cola)
Aric Almirola (Stewart HAAS Racing)
Clint Bowyer (Richard Childress)
Jeremy Mayfield (Penske)
Jamie McMurray (Earnhardt Ganassi Racing)
Tyler Reddick (Richard Childress)
Chris Buescher (RFK Racing)
AJ Foyt (Wood Brothers)
Terry Labonte (Hendrick Motorsports)
Jeff Burton (Roush Racing)
Kasey Kahne (Evernham Racing)
Geoff Bodine (Hendrick Motorsports)
Tim Richmond (Hendrick Motorsports)
Sterling Marlin (Morgan-McClure Racing)
Ernie Irvan (Robert Yates)
Bobby Hamilton (Petty Enterprises)
Erik Jones (Joe Gibbs)
Donnie Allison (Matthews Racing)
Neil Bonnett (Wood Brothers)
Kyle Petty (SABCO Racing)
Denny Hamlin (Joe Gibbs)
Bobby Labonte (Joe Gibbs)
Davey Allison (Robert Yates)
Greg Biffle (Roush Racing)
William Byron (Hendrick Motorsports)
Chase Elliott (Hendrick Motorsports)
Christopher Bell (Joe Gibbs)
Austin Dillon (Richard Childress)
Ross Chastain (Trackhouse Racing)
Daniel Suarez (Trackhouse Racing)
Bubba Wallace (23XI Racing)
Alex Bowman (Hendrick Motorsports)
Robby Gordon (Richard Childress)
Ken Schrader (Hendrick Motorsports)
Michael Waltrip (DEI/Dale Earnhardt Inc.)
AJ Allmendinger (Kaulig Racing)
Ricky Stenhouse Jr. (Roush Racing)
Pete Hamilton (Petty Enterprises)
I watched both Gordon and Johnson's entire careers, there's no debate to be had. It's Gordon easily.
You should do it by number next not team
7:57 🫣📸
Gordon 🐐
No dale Earnhardt was better
If I’m not mistaken, but there is a huge case for Truex to be Furniture Row’s best of all time
I do think Joey Logano can surpass Rusty Wallace but at this point i do agree with it being Rusty
Jeff Gordon will forever be the GOAT
Nope that's Dale Earnhardt 7 to 4 and if not for tragedy it would be 8 to 3
Jeff is 2nd best cry harder
No,Silver Fox ! REST IN PEACE DAVID PEARSON 😂😊
Who is Kauleeg?
Kia credit whenever you consider how the point systems changed that if you analyze how Richard Petty and Dale Earnhardt won their championships that Jeff Gordon also would’ve won seven championships under that format, and Jimmy Johnson would not have nearly as many that I think it’s really fair to say that Jeff Gordon is the best driver ever from Hendrick
You can't analyze the drivers using different points systems. It's apples and oranges. If I put the shoe on the other foot and applied the Chase format to yesterdays drivers, for the most part they wouldn't have as many championships as the have now. I have actually done that before to prove a point. My results are lost in some TH-cam comment section, but nearly every great driver had fewer championships...not because they are less talented at the Chase format, it was because the old format didn't require them to practically win the last race of the season after going through an elimination format...it was because the rules were different. So just like you cant judge yesterdays drivers by todays rules, you can't apply yesterdays rules to todays drivers.
There is no proof that Gordon would have won 7 titles. There is some evidence that Johnson would have done just fine in the old format, because he did, in 2002 he finished 5th and 2003 he finished 2nd...ahead of Gordon. In 2004 I would argue that Jimmie would have won his first championship if not for the Chase format being implemented. Jimmie had the best stats of any driver that year by far, but Kurt Busch won. New rules require new race strategy.
1:27 are you actually mocking Mike Skinner as if he's bad
Cringe
Jeff Gordon is the 🐐
Overrated
@@KrebsNB1- most wins in the modern era
Most top5s
Most top 10s
Most poles
4 championships
7 overall points leader finishes
Best avg start
2nd best average finish
Don’t know how you can argue with that lol
@@christiancharb not better than jimmie
@@KrebsNB1- lol clown
Dale Earnhardt was better
Mark Martin isn’t allowed to win. What kind of list is this?
Kenseth is the best ever for Roush
And also the guy responsible for taking down the Winston points system
you should rank by driver numbers
1. Richard Petty
2. Dale Earnhardt
3. Jeff Gordon
4. Jimmie Johnson
5. Kevin Harvick
6. Tony Stewart
7. Mark Martin
8. Rusty Wallace
9. Kyle Busch
10. Bobby Labonte
There
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