Dumb Decisions: The STUPIDEST Final Pass EVER | Browns @ Buccaneers (1980)
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- In a 1980 NFL week 4 game between the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and Cleveland Browns, the Bucs were trailing by 7 points with 12 seconds left, the ball at Cleveland's 35-yard line, and no timeouts. Inexplicably, head coach John McKay called a pass over the middle, which went about as well as you'd expect. This is a breakdown of that dumb decision
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Members of the 1980 Buccaneers:
Garo Yepremian
Doug Williams
Chuck Fusina
Tom Blanchard
Neal Colzie
Curtis Jordan
Tony Davis
Gary Davis
Mark Cotney
Cedric Brown
Rick Berns
Johnny Davis
Mike Washington
Norris Thomas
Ricky Bell
Jerry Eckwood
Danny Reece
Steve Wilson
Scot Brantley
Richard Wood
Aaron Brown
Cecil Johnson
Dave Lewis
Dewey Selmon
Andy Hawkins
Greg Roberts
Jim Leonard
Lee Roy Selmon
Dave Stalls
George Yarno
Darrell Austin
Mike Calhoun
Randy Crowder
Ray Snell
Charley Hannah
Gene Sanders
Dave Reavis
David Logan
Bill Kollar
Bruce Radford
Reggie Lewis
Tony Samuels
Conrad Rucker
Isaac Hagins
Mike Shumann
Gordon Jones
Jim Obradovich
Larry Mucker
Jimmie Giles
Kevin House
John McKay (head coach)
Hugh Culverhouse (owner)
Now I see where Mike McCarthy got his clock management from
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What clock Management
The sad thing is that John McKay was the best coach the Bucs had during the Creamsicle era (1976-1996) and the only one to have a winning season, make the playoffs, win the division and win a playoff game.
I actually like the the first pirate versus the questionable shift that they have now I mean it's an it was Orange Crush it's actually a Florida color that they chose for their uniforms
@@justen.d.sblackburn6701 I'm personally not a fan. Whenever I look at the winking Bruce logo, I think less charming pirate hero and more Robin Hood. Probably because all they did was alter the colors from a photo of Errol Flynn.
Well I think there's a certain Nostalgia on I just like the LA Raiders and it's not always a fierce pirate but at least it's better than a questionable Jolly Roger with a football on the flag and whatnot you know it's it's supposed to go back with a tradition of what they were as Buccaneers and that kind of that I mean yeah I don't know I like it better Easter is on I guess
So Doug Williams sprinted up the middle in a late half situation with no Timeouts left. That’s the last time that would happen in Dallas.
Maybe McKay had a flashback to his college coaching days. Thought the clock would stop with a first down.
Wow.. do u think?
Yay, Dumb Decisions is back!
With 12 seconds left, no timeouts and the ball at the plus-35 needing a touchdown, there's only one sensible play call: "Fast guys go deep, fat guys give me time, on two."
And if you fail because your QB decides to run up the middle for literally no reason, just blame the officials for not freezing time to give you another chance.
He blames the coach but Williams isn't immune from criticism either. He had to know what would happen after he threw that pass. Of course you can't blame Williams these days without getting called a bigot. So we have to blame the coach and not the QB.
@@GR-bn3xj All the blame belongs to Williams the ball was in his hands he made a terrible decision.
“No way the browns can blow this one, right?” -laughs in Browns fan
I thought it was the Browns that was gonna blow this
“That’s like me saying I’m going to hit a home run at Yankee Stadium, when the week before, I couldn’t even have the power to hit a ball out of my suburban back yard.” (15:30)
Splitting hairs here, I know, but I’ve seen my share of homers over the short right field fence in Yankee Stadium that would have been held in by plenty of back yards.
lol true.
hell, for a week or so when charlie finley first owned the (then) kansas city a's, after being denied bringing in the fence to match yankee stadium, he had a part spray painted to say something to the effect of "this would be a home run in yankee stadium", though he dropped it when it turned out the visiting team was hitting way more balls like that than the a's.
The irony is, the '80 Browns' season would end after making a dumb pass at the end of a game themselves.
Loved the use of the “Old School” JG9 music! And I was so bracing for an “I’m sorry, WHAT?!”
The Browns defense was looking around like, “hey, we usually do this. Did this just happened the other way around finally?“ It’s good to see the Browns actually going to go that way for a change. 😂 🤣 🤣 🤣
The Browns were different back then, and this was before John Elway kept the 1980s Browns out of the Super Bowl (the Browns of that era were Super Bowl-worthy too, and not just in that "AFC is weak" kind of way either). Sure, there was that "Red Right 88" deal later that season; Brian Sipe made a bad decision there, but I'm not sure they win that game anyway, since a field goal by Don Cockcroft seemed out of the question in that spot.
The 1980 Buccaneers were a bit of a letdown after that 1979 run, but they were for real as playoff contenders in general. For this season, it seemed they had to get used to not being surprising.
This unofficial Official Jaguar Gator 9 historian will remind everyone you made videos about the following:
1. How the Bengals did something similar against the Browns in the season finale, helping cost the Patriots a playoff spot.
2. How the Browns also had an 18 point lead in the fourth quarter in their next visit to Tampa Bay, causing Bengals fans in Dayton to miss the beginning of the Bengals game against the Raiders.
This was also in the era where spiking the ball wasn't an option. But this ranks up there with Dak Prescott taking off and running down the middle of the field instead of throwing it away in this year's playoffs.
This was the exact play I had in mind from the most recent post-season.
This would be the most significant play to happen in Tampa Stadium with 12 seconds left in the quarter.
Jack Squirek!
@@joellosch3137 I was thinking a different play from the same game -- the Marcus Allen 74 yard TD run, which ALSO happened with 12 seconds left in a quarter -- third, in the run's case.
@@dentonyoung4314 Any way you look at it, a horrible day for Washington.
Oh, the beginnng of the video, look at that QB matchup: Shane Matthews vs Tim Couch. Certainly worth the price of admission.
Excellent video and analysis. "Dumb Decisions" videos are some of my all-time favorites. This one definitely did not disappoint. Nice job!
Same.
I have to admit that I kinda dig it when our beloved host does a segment that gets him all indignant and angry. His anger can get intense at times, but never ridiculously over-the-top. He even manages to avoid using the harder expletives in favor of the more minor kinda-naughty words. Even when P.O.'d, JayJeeNine is always a consummate professional, and a distinguished gentleman.
The best example of this IMHO is his segment about "The WORST MOMENT of Mike Holmgren's CAREER:
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If JaguarGator gets this worked up over a dumb play that’s over 40 years old, imagine how he is watching live football games during the regular season!
He just preemptively checks into the hospital every Sunday.
Doug Williams got a lot of racial hate mail from Tampa Bay fans after this and a few years later he was out of Tampa and out of the NFL altogether. But a few years later he got a call from Joe Gibbs of the Washington Redskins who wanted him to be his backup QB and the rest, as they say, is history
This Browns team later lost on a Hail Mary in their other nfc central road game at Minnesota.
That Browns team lived on the edge, and they were very consistent with it throughout 1979-'80. That Hail Mary by the Vikings clinched a playoff berth (Lions had their chances, Bucs letdown, Bears slumped, Packers began their pattern of finishing 8-8; Vikings say "Thanks!").
The Browns biggest mistake vs the Bears was letting the Bears go down the field basically unopposed for the TD to Booker.
The irony is, if Tampa had thrown a TD to the end zone, we'd be questioning why Cleveland was double-covering a receiver 10 yards downfield.
Another interesting thing about this play that further buttressed McKay’s point was how Giles jogged back to his spot in the formation rather than moving with a greater sense of urgency.
I love this series, glad it's back.
Common sense isn't so common to a lot of NFL coaches I can't tell you how many times they left me tearing my hair out.
..."You will be laughed and mocked more than four decades later." 😂
As a Bucs fan, this one was painful to watch. Thank goodness I wasn't born until just before the following season! I'm not sure what Doug Williams and John McKay were thinking. They misplayed this one badly.
Welcome to Dumb Decisions
I just watched the play, and I'm in awe. How, how the bloody hell could anyone think that was a good idea?
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The 2001 Bears find ways to win after a big deficit...
Just ask the 49ers
At that point in their history, the Bucs were not experienced with winning, at least not with their offense. Their defense was stout, but they were not as effective on riding Doug William’s arm to victory. Losing was easy and did not require a deep study on clock management. Winning, however, and consistent winning especially, required excellent clock management and seamless comms between coach and QB. They just did not have it and truthfully would not have it til at least 20 years later, and arguably not til TB12 rolled into town.
They let the clock run out on them at Minnesota in 1988 while trying to set up for a GW FG.
I agree, Tampa had to get used to winning, and they weren't there yet in 1980, and in reality it would take a long time (I say it started in 1997, but I see what you mean about the Tom Brady acquisition, which said, "We're VERY serious about winning").
That opening track is a throwback! Good to hear it again.
You should do a video about that 01 Bears-Browns game, especially since they beat the 49ers in a very similar way the previous week
The same way, by the same player. I don't know for sure, but the list of players who had overtime pick sixes cannot have many more names than Mike Brown on it.
Iirc, did the Cowboys do something similar in 1994, against, wait for it, the Browns?
Yes, you are correct.
I remember that game, over 28 years later.
When Doug saw the coverage there's no way he should throw it there...i don't care what the call is...throw it away if u have to you will still have another play...edit: basically what he said after the game
Just watching the replay a couple of times and I get the impression his brain went on auto-pilot and threw the ball to the TE when he didn't have an obviously open WR on the outside, even though that was indeed the very last thing you should be doing in that case.
Brian Sipe, Garo Yepremian, Ricky Bell, Calvin Hill, Doug Williams, Ozzie Newsome, Jimmie Giles, Shane Matthews, Marty Booker, Browns, Bears, & Buccaneers!
Oh my! All of it was awesome! Except well that pass up the middle as time ran out. John MacKay was/is a legend!
At least they didn't run a QB draw, try to make their own spot, and then interfere with the ref trying to officially spot the ball.
Then blame the refs after the game🙄
Kind of reminds me of last season’s playoff game between San Francisco and Dallas.
Poor blocking he couldn't get out of bounds? Guy half assed it to the sideline..
Well CONSIDERING the FACT that BOTH the Cleveland Browns and Tampa Bay Buccaneers are WORSE than a 39.6 COMBINED and SHOULD SPIKE the football into the ground on EVERY single OFFENSIVE play, THIS doesn't SURPRISE me one BIT.
This reminds me of the dumb lateral play the Patriots did against the Raiders rather than playing for overtime. While there’s no guarantee what would happen in overtime, a win against the Raiders would have meant a playoff spot for the Patriots.
I saw that '01 Bears-Browns game live, and I still can't believe it to this day. Bears scored two TDs in the final *32 SECONDS.* If a team has ever blown a two TD lead with less time remaining than that, I've never heard about it. There have been teams who scored two TDs in less time, but never at the tail end of a game like that.
Harvard Beats Yale, 29-29.
On the game's final play, Browns linebackers Dick "Bam Bam" Ambrose (#52) and Bill Cowher (#53) knock down Jimmie Giles (at 7:41). Cowher then holds Giles down until there are four seconds remaining.
What the heck was Giles thinking as he finally got up and casually jogged to the line of scrimmage as time was running out? (I wanted to type that in ALL CAPS, but I'd be encroaching on JG9's turf. And before that gulp down some Xanax.) Anyhow, Cowher would go on to become a head coach of some note.
A Hall of Fame coach.🏈
That Jimmy Giles catch against Dallas might not have been a catch it looks as though it may have touched the ground a bit but there was no instant replay back then.
1980s Bucs?!? Terrible coaching!?! What a surprise!!!
At least he didnt kneel with 3 seconds left before half on the opponents 2 yard line like Kirk cousins did in Washington
Football IQ is hard to measure but you see so many games lost by poor decision making. You also see this in college basketball. You used to see games won by teams, but now you see a lot more teams give games away in the tournament.
It's hard to measure how people will perform under pressure and I don't think they've really come up with a test for it that's accurate, but having a good football IQ can current average player into a very good one or make a great player mediocre.
This music gave me major throwback vibes to your earliest videos
McKay was just covering for his players. Either Giles ran the wrong route, or Williams threw a very unwise pass in the heat of the moment (which he more or less admitted anyway), or maybe even both. McKay just wasn't going to throw his players under the bus.
Not the worst option. A running play up the middle probably beats that.
That was stupid. Excellent research.
Man, Doug Williams is gonna have to win a Super Bowl to live this one down...
Keep up the upbeat music👍🏽
This was also the "Orange Bowl"
Gero Yepremian was on the RIGHT side of one play for a Change at 5:47! #2 When they lose, it is NOT His Fault.
15:54 flashback to the irl 2021 cowboys only playoff appearance
So you’re saying if I throw over the middle there’s a chance?
loveable succs once again. 291-431-1. all time winning % .402. 32nd out of 32 teams.
11-10, .524 % in playoffs. do a video on that.
He didn’t call a good play but he made up for it by not managing the clock.
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COWHER POWER!!!! That's Bill Cowher on the final tackle of Jimmie Giles!
So much orange on that field! Love it!
Cowboys back to back: hold my beer
That’s a good one!!! Talk about a dumb decision!!!
I've been a Buccaneers fan for over 30 years I've seen them do way dumber shit then that🤷🏾♂️
This isn't even the dumbest decision the Bucs made that season. Down 3 late VS the Steelers, Doug Williams spiked the ball to stop the clock. It was 4th down. The Bucs also had a timeout remaining. I cannot make this stuff up.
I remember that. The Bucs were not using the 🧠 in late game final drives that season. Williams went from that in 1980 to the greatest qtr in NFL history in SB 22.
I’m thinking they might do a hook n’ ladder, then again even McKay wouldn’t think that
The 1979-1982 TB Bucs were a very good team. There first golden age!
Well, it's not the like Browns didn't make a dumb decision later that year in the playoffs..... (coughing) Red right 88
'i need a doctor. i need a doctor. are you a doctor?' leo getz things done.
@@stevenbauer4799 there you are!!
That play was defensible, Sipe made the wrong read, the FG kicker Cockroft was not having a good day to that point, and the field condition was terrible.
@@KevinT7274 yeah and Sipe was supposed to "throw the ball away into Lake Erie" if his guy wasnt wide open
The 40 second play clock was mentioned at 12:26. Wasn’t the play clock only 30 seconds in 1980?
I actually blame the receiver as much as anyone. Having that route in the playcall isn’t the worst idea, since it does at least draw defenders away from the end zone. The quarterback might have been just trying to get the ball away and try again on the next play, although he definitely should’ve thrown it at his feet if that were the plan. The receiver definitely should’ve just swatted the ball to the ground.
There is a 4th option-the old "Stanford Lateral" play where you try and lateral the ball in the hopes that someone can get free and run the ball in. In this instance that doesn't even guarantee a tie-the kicker needs to make the XP. New Orleans had this happen in 2003-and after executing the miracle lateral play, what happened? John Carney missed the XP and the Saints lose.
PS press question to Bucs HC John McKay: "What do you think of your team's execution?"
McKay: "I'm in favor of it"
It was in 2003 (River City Relay), Carney was a Charger in 96
On this day the Bucs were who the Browns thought they were
You should do a April Fool's joke and make it about baseball. No one would see it coming
Hmm... 12 seconds. At least they didn't run a qb draw
And then blame the officials for not literally stopping time to give them another chance.
It ain't over till it's really over.
Calvin Hill was still in the NFL in 1980? RB's had longer careers back then
Why is McKay taking all the heat alone? Shouldn't Williams have known that only a Hail May would have any chance in both situations?
You tend to forget how well Doug Williams could run.
I vaguely remember a game (details may be wrong) with the Redskins at Cowboys about 15 years ago, maybe 10. Cowboys we’re up 12 or 13 nothing in the fourth with a few minutes left. In those few the skins pulled off two tds for the win. Any chance you can do a vid on that game?
That’s 2005. But no dumb decision there unless you want to consider putting Roy Williams anywhere near Santana Moss on a deep ball. Die hard Redskins fan who turned 40 3 days later - as if it was an extra birthday gift…
Way to go Shane!!! Go Gators!!! 🐊🏈
To be fair, with the Yankees' short right field wall, you could hit one out.
How can McKay wear those black pants in that unbearable heat?
Two future USFL quarterbacks
Three, actually. Bucs backup (and former Nittany Lion) Chuck Fusina (#14), shown at 13:48, played for the Stars (Phila, 1983-84; Balt. 1985), coached by Jim Mora. He appeared in all three USFL championship games, winning the last two (vs. Arizona Wranglers and Oakland Invaders).
I smell shades of Dallas
Why would you catch the ball? Just bat it down to the ground for one more try
I was there and remember it well.
cowboys just topped this against the niners
No the Patriots vs Raiders is way worse. Like not even close, they practically gave the game up for nothing.
Mike McCarthy level of bad late game playcalling
Guess garo was happy they couldn't make him the goat this time..
Onside kicks used to be easier.
The day the Smashing Pumpkins fell short of a Cinderella comeback.
Pretty hard to beat Wilson's pass to R Locket in his last SB...
Should have ran the damn ball
Though he tried to beat that by forcing one to Courtland Sutton in traffic on 4th and 1 almost eight years later
With Richard Sherman there no less
@@mgb4692 lol wow I missed that one.
Oh *he* (Richard) didn't
Tampa Bay was a poorly run organization until 1996
I saw the end on game from the full game footage here. th-cam.com/video/6DSJwggKTTg/w-d-xo.html
Heidi game ll NOT !