Every Team gets Promoted or Relegated

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  • Welcome to TomFM! In today's Football Manager 2023 experiment video Every team gets promoted or relegated in the English Football League, causing absolute chaos in FM23.
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  • @bababababababa6124
    @bababababababa6124 ปีที่แล้ว +305

    MK Dons getting relegated from the National League is pretty much how I expect their next few years to be 😂

    • @gui18bif
      @gui18bif ปีที่แล้ว +27

      Let's hope

    • @huntungriffle8121
      @huntungriffle8121 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Up the fucking dons

    • @archiesmith6023
      @archiesmith6023 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      i hope not mate

    • @AtomicSpino
      @AtomicSpino ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Im a dons fan and we had a dreadful season, literally last season we got third then we place 21st? They're not fit to wear the shirt

    • @core_russell3869
      @core_russell3869 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@AtomicSpinoas a Newport County fan, it's the same here, we were in the play offs the other year and now we're crap

  • @neffersonjickel3901
    @neffersonjickel3901 ปีที่แล้ว +435

    This was an interesting experiment! I'd love to see one where the English pyramid gets 0 points for a win, 1 point for a draw, and 3 points for a loss.
    The worst teams would rise to the top, get Prem/European money, get better and then start getting less points.
    Cups, Europe, and Internationals would stay the same as they are in real life.

    • @Sirjohnfootball
      @Sirjohnfootball ปีที่แล้ว +1

      What a f*cking stupid idea

    • @NathanHeaver
      @NathanHeaver ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Yes that will be fun

    • @TomFM
      @TomFM  ปีที่แล้ว +73

      Great idea!

    • @timokarff6162
      @timokarff6162 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@TomFM Based on that: What would happen if a win and a draw both get you 2 points, and 1 point for a loss?

    • @Will_Flatt
      @Will_Flatt ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@TomFM come on Tom we should do it

  • @M4tth3wH1
    @M4tth3wH1 ปีที่แล้ว +98

    As a Leicester fan seeing this after we actually got relegated irl, watching us finishing 6th in this is just so painful 😂😭

    • @TomFM
      @TomFM  ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Maybe you'll manager 6th in the Championship next season? 😂

    • @M4tth3wH1
      @M4tth3wH1 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @TomFM maybe haha. Got to get the recruitment right on and and off the field before we start thinking about getting back up. Great video btw, keep up the good work 👍

  • @Koeienmelker09
    @Koeienmelker09 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    Fulham did very well, 3 Europa League's, 2 Champions league finals and 1 conference league Final. (This was nice to see as a Fulham fan)

  • @DefensorLF
    @DefensorLF ปีที่แล้ว +131

    Tom what if you made it so top 5 euro league teams had to play with south american nation rules (for example, all english clubs get put into brasil , having to play with brazil's selection rules and calendar, spain into argentina's calendar, italy into chile ect) and the other way around (brazil teams into the prem, argentinian in la liga)

  • @Theepicgolem123
    @Theepicgolem123 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    6:39 i cant imagine the amount of cleaning that spurs did to that dusty trophy cabinet to fit in those league cup trophies

  • @liamthomas9622
    @liamthomas9622 ปีที่แล้ว +56

    I'd love to see the English leagues have the "Belgian playoffs" and see if that affects what happens up and down the leagues

  • @fabianbailey488
    @fabianbailey488 ปีที่แล้ว +53

    UP THE BROMLEY BOYS 🎉🎉🎉

    • @bababababababa6124
      @bababababababa6124 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      2nd best club in London (after the mighty hammers ⚒)

    • @Dutchintheheart
      @Dutchintheheart ปีที่แล้ว +1

      No

    • @ZvenoGaming
      @ZvenoGaming ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@Dutchintheheart yes

    • @jakedavies5899
      @jakedavies5899 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hereford on top

    • @loganclark1206
      @loganclark1206 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Just got promoted into the Efl through playoffs

  • @zHawkC
    @zHawkC ปีที่แล้ว +6

    The strangest thing about this is how consistently low the goal difference is. Would expect the prem teams that stay top 8 to all have massive GD vs the yoyo teams. Also saw some league winners with only +20 GD which seems really odd

  • @erethjallsen8819
    @erethjallsen8819 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You’ve been killing it with the cool ideas recently! Love it Tom!

  • @daansaras138
    @daansaras138 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    Hi Tom, I like the idea and I'm curious how the teams in The Netherlands will do. Do you have a shortcut how to easily change the competition rules?
    Thanks in advance!

    • @OzgurOri
      @OzgurOri ปีที่แล้ว

      .

    • @core_russell3869
      @core_russell3869 ปีที่แล้ว

      This needs more attention because I need to know now

  • @Noname-uo2oz
    @Noname-uo2oz ปีที่แล้ว

    Really loving the videos for a while now Tom, you deserve the 100k🔥

  • @gumpastee
    @gumpastee ปีที่แล้ว

    This is a really good idea. I'm impressed by your originality

  • @bensquires2819
    @bensquires2819 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Missed Newport County being stuck in the conference and Southend going up.

  • @TheKoesti123
    @TheKoesti123 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Can you change the qualification spots for Europe? What if all second leagues of a nation (so Championship, Ligue 2, Serie B, Bundesliga 2, ...) get all the qualification spots for Europe?

  • @vangoal172
    @vangoal172 ปีที่แล้ว

    Tom thank you very much, your content is really cool, sending you love from Tunisia 🖤

    • @TomFM
      @TomFM  ปีที่แล้ว

      Glad you enjoy it! Love to Tunisia!

  • @GYFC420
    @GYFC420 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Idea:in the first szn only 1 team gets relegated but 1 more team gets relegated every season until every team goes down except for 1st place and then they would win

  • @stephenfrankland485
    @stephenfrankland485 ปีที่แล้ว

    love to see this as just the top and bottom 10 change, leave a few open spots for maintaining league

  • @guismodrum78
    @guismodrum78 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very entertaining, thank you Tom

  • @villabear
    @villabear ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Fairly new subscriber here. Love the content. I’d like to see a completely random football league. All 92 sides get randomised into their league. Probably a lot of work but interesting to see how quick sides drop and the cream rises to the top.

    • @Fizzydog77
      @Fizzydog77 ปีที่แล้ว

      This would actually be really cool, I second this!!

  • @gracielynn9623
    @gracielynn9623 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love to see you make a video about what if you replaced the bottom eight English championship sides with the top 8 USL championship sides from last season. Could be quite interesting.

  • @SpoopyGamer
    @SpoopyGamer ปีที่แล้ว +10

    FA Cup "nobody out the ordinary won it" Bruh, a small team like Everton won it twice

    • @senanjackson3364
      @senanjackson3364 ปีที่แล้ว

      Since when are Everton small?

    • @SpoopyGamer
      @SpoopyGamer ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@senanjackson3364 Always were, Always will be

    • @senanjackson3364
      @senanjackson3364 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @DomRawR ah well that definitely isn't true, they're a big team. Big team doesn't just mean the likes of Man Utd and Liverpool, sue even Newcastle are big

    • @rogercrane1767
      @rogercrane1767 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Must have started watching in the last decade, or joking. everton are historically massive

    • @SpoopyGamer
      @SpoopyGamer ปีที่แล้ว +1

      🎣🎣🎣🎣🎣

  • @frog605
    @frog605 ปีที่แล้ว

    hi tom, good vid. can you rank all of the FM games that you have played

  • @joshualiley
    @joshualiley ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I think it would be more interesting with an 8 up, 8 stay, 8 down model so that teams could get a foothold and have the chance to spring up without having a massive dwarf in class all in 1 go

  • @ah_effe
    @ah_effe ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You should do a save with reversed prize money in the top 5 leagues and europe too. (Like 1st in england get the least amount of money)

  • @Ant_FM
    @Ant_FM ปีที่แล้ว

    Get in! Stoke won the conference league 😊 that has made my day! If only if it came true. Brilliant video Tom that was a great one.

  • @cameronlinley96
    @cameronlinley96 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "Wrexham seem to be the biggest Yo-Yo club of all time"
    THEY ARE ALL YO-YO CLUBS TOM

    • @TomFM
      @TomFM  ปีที่แล้ว

      You make a good point...

  • @samtyler689
    @samtyler689 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    59 year old be celebrating a European trophy in Portugal would be nice! (Also just nice to see Charlton doing well in a save, we’re usually rubbish!)

  • @flak509
    @flak509 ปีที่แล้ว

    CHAOS! I love it Tom 😂😂

  • @user-iw4ue8zz1n
    @user-iw4ue8zz1n 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I loved that my club (Bath City) did appear in this video 3 times 😊

  • @englishdragon88
    @englishdragon88 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’ve only recently discovered your TH-cam channel and I’m already a big fan of it
    I was just wondering how you’re doing videos like this? Is it from the steam workshop? If not where? I currently play FM23 and I’ve got the English league to the combined county leagues I can’t remember what step that is on the football pyramid but I’m going through that
    I’d love to play through the game with your mods that you have showcased and would like to know where you get the mods

    • @S1NON54
      @S1NON54 ปีที่แล้ว

      he is using in-game editor, than he just simulates seasons and makes saves to check them in the video

  • @Bcfc2011
    @Bcfc2011 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    At the start when he said it’s not looking good for the blues I’m like ugh cuz that’s my team and FRANK LAMPARD OH HELL NAH luckily we got prometed back up

  • @aaronroberts291
    @aaronroberts291 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Do a rebuild of Newport County from their European stints in the 80’s. Every video nowadays they go from L2 to the 7th tier and would be good to see them succeed

  • @danmoody8244
    @danmoody8244 ปีที่แล้ว

    Interesting concept would love to play this as mod in fm

  • @EuanBCFC
    @EuanBCFC ปีที่แล้ว

    6:24 I mean, Yeovil have literally done exactly the same as Scunthorpe irl, but in a shorter time period

  • @Ted_RBLXoff
    @Ted_RBLXoff ปีที่แล้ว

    You should try a reverse table.
    20th win the title
    20-17th all get Champions League
    16-15th Europa
    and 14th Conference.
    Those in 1st, 2nd and 3rd all get relegated.

  • @caseyjennett7446
    @caseyjennett7446 ปีที่แล้ว

    Interesting one for you. The most successful team in the European competitions each season get relegated to the national league (or equivalent). Should spring some interesting results me thinks

  • @Rugby0nTop
    @Rugby0nTop 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love how Burnley just did not change the entire video

  • @mhdk677
    @mhdk677 ปีที่แล้ว

    10:20 what's the background song? Sounds so much like a Danish song. Have tried looking up if it's a sample but can't find anything

  • @nhantnt
    @nhantnt ปีที่แล้ว

    1:46 LOL
    Also Gillingham is one of my favorite teams, it's great to see them in the Championship, then the National League, then the National League again, to League One, to League Two. Never a premier league though ;-;
    And as a red, it's funny how Man Utd was relegated in their first season :V

  • @MNFM21
    @MNFM21 ปีที่แล้ว

    thanks for doing my suggestion xD

  • @andylindress
    @andylindress ปีที่แล้ว

    How do you do this Tom in the editor? Have you got a video you can share or a link?

  • @lewiswoods2012
    @lewiswoods2012 ปีที่แล้ว

    PLEASE HELP ME, where in the pregame editor can you chnage the promotion and relegation spots i have looked in keague standings etc but cannot find it anywhere

  • @brentton2
    @brentton2 ปีที่แล้ว

    2:05 you’re wrong there as Halifax Town, Bromley and Southend United got promoted instead of Stevenage, Harrogate Town and Newport County

  • @christianlenik5307
    @christianlenik5307 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    0:08 "ELITE" Lincoln 😂

    • @TomFM
      @TomFM  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Got to represent

    • @christianlenik5307
      @christianlenik5307 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@TomFM On My Manager Savegame, Lincoln won the FA-Cup...
      ...while being relegated to National League...

  • @jamesminor8576
    @jamesminor8576 ปีที่แล้ว

    That 2026 League One season was MAD!!!

  • @72Reiss
    @72Reiss ปีที่แล้ว

    Love that experiment!

  • @nickysturzu
    @nickysturzu ปีที่แล้ว

    Maybe you can create an experiment like the Super League, but with promotion and relegation, like Super League A, Super League B and so on...

  • @copious983
    @copious983 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think if you had a prom/rel play-off between the leagues it might have looked very different

  • @GingerTwat1
    @GingerTwat1 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I just subbed (at 99k) reloaded and you were then at 100k 👍👍

  • @GenericZac
    @GenericZac ปีที่แล้ว

    Doing this experiment with all ten tiers of English football would be mayhem

  • @ellibod1
    @ellibod1 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is this available on the steam workshop? The all team’s promoted or relegated thing

  • @cundsmobile4540
    @cundsmobile4540 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have a idea give a random no legue team man citys team and see how long it takes them to get promoted or if the players leave before they get to a champions league

  • @crowreligion
    @crowreligion ปีที่แล้ว

    Lets expriment this
    Win - 3 points
    Draw - 1 point AND add 0.1 to k unless k is 2.
    k is 0.5 when each season starts.
    k has a minimum limit of 0.5 and maximum limit of 2.0
    Lose - all your points that you have currently collected gets k times itself. Also, if k isnt 0.5, reduce 0.1 from k.
    Additionally, to get more draws, there is no overtime.

  • @BigD4ddy4G
    @BigD4ddy4G ปีที่แล้ว +1

    MK Dons in 2062 getting relegated from the National League 👌🏻

  • @harrytmm
    @harrytmm ปีที่แล้ว +1

    someone needs to make a datatbase of this

  • @BhlackBishop
    @BhlackBishop ปีที่แล้ว

    The top prem clubs probably poached all the good players that got relegated hence getting stronger and stronger every season. That sweet first division money must be well shared across the country by now.

  • @Billymortzz
    @Billymortzz 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Need to redo this but with every single league in England, would be very interestint

  • @S1NON54
    @S1NON54 ปีที่แล้ว

    West Ham after being relegated to championship and promoted to Premier league every year: I`m movin up and down, side to side like rollercoaster

  • @waveringvermin2102
    @waveringvermin2102 ปีที่แล้ว

    York promoted to league 1, all we have to do is wait until 2062 and hope someone in the FA has an aneurysm and implements these rules. The dream is alive…

  • @nadzmipaktam
    @nadzmipaktam ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Tom. I have an idea.
    You can build a league with the all champions team from UEFA Coefficient ranking 1 to 20. You also can do vice versa by using last place team to see who's team the worst 😂.

  • @oscarscadds36
    @oscarscadds36 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Weymouth (my local club) got to league one lol like that’s ever going to happen ever

  • @Trollolmen
    @Trollolmen ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Hey Tom, the experiment was really interesting! We would like to try this with a friend, would you have a link to download the database ? Thank you in advance

  • @ryancheung2399
    @ryancheung2399 ปีที่แล้ว

    What a great experiment. Curious to know how many managers got sacked because of the relegation

  • @JayStanTheMan
    @JayStanTheMan ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What if you moved the MLS, the entire league, to England and placed it right in between the Championship and League One? MLS teams could be promoted to the Championship or relegated to Leauge One and I’d be very curious to see where they ended up after 50 years!

  • @samuelmarron5875
    @samuelmarron5875 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Middlesbrough actually came 7th in the 2004/05 season to qualify for Europe the second time around…

  • @llSuperSnivyll
    @llSuperSnivyll ปีที่แล้ว

    6:22 It could be worse, such as getting relegated anyways when there are only 4 relegated teams.

  • @noddyjoe
    @noddyjoe ปีที่แล้ว

    Ah yes, Tranmere fan here - seems we dropped out of existence entirely!

  • @nazgulcanellas3047
    @nazgulcanellas3047 ปีที่แล้ว

    How you did it? I have the editor and i don't see this type of options

  • @jacobthompson5697
    @jacobthompson5697 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You should do every team is in the promotion playoffs next

  • @emmadestcroix9079
    @emmadestcroix9079 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Up the blades

  • @austinberwick4927
    @austinberwick4927 ปีที่แล้ว

    watford loved coming 9th in the premier league

  • @MOONPSLA
    @MOONPSLA หลายเดือนก่อน

    South Shields is where I am from!!

  • @YTVossy
    @YTVossy ปีที่แล้ว

    You should turn the money around. So national league teams are earning premier league money and vise versa but for all the divisions.

  • @jeffreyboggleton
    @jeffreyboggleton ปีที่แล้ว

    9:26 LET'S GO WE IN PREM BOIS

  • @John-hh8lq
    @John-hh8lq ปีที่แล้ว

    SUGGESTION #1: Is there a way to change the game where the team get the amount of points per how many goals they get in a match? e.g. Arsenal 5 - 3 Spurs... Arsenal get the 5 points (obviously) but Spurs would still get 3 points although they lost?
    SUGGESTION #2: Start all teams in all the divisions in alphabetical order or TOTALLY randomise all teams in all the leagues and see where they end up over 50/100 years?
    SUGGESTION #3: Incorporate a Draft system like the USA do in NFL where the best players are picked from a list?

  • @davidarends668
    @davidarends668 ปีที่แล้ว

    I wonder if any of those Conference League winners were playing in the Championship when they won

  • @mclark8857
    @mclark8857 ปีที่แล้ว

    mental that in the first season Man United got relegated and qualified for the UCL at the same time

  • @frankshaw6243
    @frankshaw6243 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Can you do a vlog at chesterfield vs Matlock

  • @gdparry2727
    @gdparry2727 ปีที่แล้ว

    Imagine if it went back to only champions go in champions league like the early 90s.

  • @einarjuel
    @einarjuel ปีที่แล้ว

    You've successfully simulated a two-party system

  • @CallumVloGamesCVG
    @CallumVloGamesCVG ปีที่แล้ว

    You should do a relived bobby robson career and start him at ipswich

  • @noah45675
    @noah45675 ปีที่แล้ว

    would be more interesting if you focused on the prem/championship clubs

  • @natashaabdu
    @natashaabdu 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    0:07 Bro actually put Lincoln at elite

  • @GamingTimeNL
    @GamingTimeNL ปีที่แล้ว

    Do an experiment before the Bosman Arrest, so every team in Europe can only play 3 foreign players

  • @teresaweigel3611
    @teresaweigel3611 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ok here 🔥 🏆🙂🙏🏼

  • @austinberwick4927
    @austinberwick4927 ปีที่แล้ว

    chaos meant to be

  • @NaNa_waffler
    @NaNa_waffler 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Charlton in the prem and winning the conference league 🤩

  • @thetrainhub390
    @thetrainhub390 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Is this a mod I can download on Steam?

  • @justzaxx7150
    @justzaxx7150 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love seeing Gills get some love in a video

    • @TomFM
      @TomFM  ปีที่แล้ว

      They had a superb start! Wouldn't be surprised to see them promoted next season irl!

    • @justzaxx7150
      @justzaxx7150 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TomFM As a Gills fan I hope so too, hopefully we can face Lincoln again next season!

  • @joshlucas4867
    @joshlucas4867 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Think this is the first fm video that morecambe have actually been mentioned…ofc not for a good reason

  • @LordWay
    @LordWay ปีที่แล้ว

    Relegating Exeter is something i'm taking personally 🤣

  • @dillon2493
    @dillon2493 ปีที่แล้ว

    newport were actually the first team from league 2 to be stuck in the national league

  • @archieplays03
    @archieplays03 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Can you do a tutorial to simulate 100 years into the future?

  • @jonathanthompson2912
    @jonathanthompson2912 ปีที่แล้ว

    How do you add extra promotion Nd relegation places

  • @TJSHUTTLE
    @TJSHUTTLE ปีที่แล้ว

    Up the mighty Pool!

  • @mrchigago
    @mrchigago 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    as a preston fan it hurts to see blackpool and blackburn achieving European glory whilst we yoyo between league 1 and the championship 😂

  • @familydinner1
    @familydinner1 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wrexham promoted to the Championship in 2025 eh? Sounds good. :D Edit: back to the National League :S Rob and Ryan must have died.

  • @benN303
    @benN303 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hi what r u playing on

  • @Founder_YT
    @Founder_YT ปีที่แล้ว

    Swindon promoted to league 1 in every decade 😂