TRIGGER WARNINGS ACCIDENTALLY NOT INCLUDED IN VIDEO SO HERE IT IS: this is a series of YA books for an audience of 13+ and the vid is appropriate for it. However, there's some content which may need to be warned of in advance. This includes abuse, manipulation, stalking in a romantic relationship and food intake disorders, specifically bullying/jokes about food intake disorders. There's also a mention of wrist cutting in a non self harm way.
Love your work . Just wanted to A) ask your thoughts about daughter of smoke and Bone by Leni Taylor B) tell you there seems to be a few seconds replicated on 10:13 and I don't know if it's my phone or a video thing
@@bestaqua23 I don't believe it's intentional. Jump cuts are usually me removing mistakes or whatever, so I mustve missed the backtrack and left it in. My bad!
I'm sorry what 😂😂, like the author really wrote that and thought it was a good line 😂😂. I'm so glad I was out of my twilight phase when Hush, Hush came out. But also I was in High School and about to graduate 😂
Everyone knows barstools are only three or four legs awkwardly strapped together. They had to make them that way so it would be so uncomfortable to sit on them, with multiple legs just stabbing you in the butt, that nobody could be tempted into the sin of drunkenness by getting too comfortable at a bar.
I love how the entire cast has the most boring, uninspired human names like Nora and Scott and then the love interest is just named Patch for some reason? Is he secretly a dog???
imagine making a toxic fake-goth angel badboy ya love interest in the 2010s and naming him Patch and then expecting him to be taken seriously as a brooding 60000000000 year old teenager
Imagine finishing your four-book series furiously typing the closing line, “No Angel, I undress to impress.” Then having the nerve to wipe away a tear pride and whisper to yourself, “That’s it. That’s the line.” This is my head cannon of the event and I won’t be told otherwise.
As a Jew I do not claim this weird angel lore. For reference, Cheshvan is the only Jewish month that no holidays fall, but it is the month reserved for Moshiach(messiah) to return and bring peace to all peoples. No weird angel stuff, if anything our version of angels just mostly chill and occasionally come to warn folks or grab lunch
I like the idea of chill angels. It gives me the image of these terrifying, alien-esque entities just laying around on the tops of buildings or on people's yards, occasionally yoinking food and telling people when bad things will happen
Same. As a Jewish person, I also do not condone this angel lore. I headcanon our angel lore to be that angels are real and can come down to earth, but their only purpose is to mildly screw with people and make peoples lives mildly more irritating just as a practical joke. They never do anything too bad, nothing that completely ruins things, they just make things ever so slightly more tedious and irritating than they need to be. They are the type of supernatural entity that can alter your thoughts but only use it to make you forget your passwords.
The bundle of eye-covered concentric circles with a few to many wings descended into the living room through a blinding beam of light and thus it spoke "Hey dude there will be another flood man, Yeah sorry the rainbow turned out to be a lie bud" the angel somehow grabbed a sandwich out of my fridge "Hey can i have this i missed lunch? Thanks pal. But yeah you gotta build a ark." The angel then ascended back too the heavens leaving a last message for me "Please remember to get some bigfoots! God is still bummed out about the unicorns not making it last time."
When talking about angels, in Judaism they are G'd's messengers and are unable to do anything but His Will, which is actually why humans with free will are considered to be more important or more valuable than angels, as we can actually choose to serve Him rather than be made to. That's mostly what the mainstream, religious Jew will know about angels. In Kaballah studies, however, there are so mang words (including nephilim, btw, and satan, and azazel) which somehow have made their way into mainstream culture but completely disconnected from any Jewish teaching even though the study of Kaballah is inherently part of Jewish scholarly life. I don't personally understand how these mystical concepts that few scholarly Jews have dared to touch somehow got into mainstream novels such as Hush Hush or TV shows like Supernatural. I'm also a religious Jew, btw. And yes, as said above, Cheshvan, also known as Mar Cheshvan (or bitter Cheshvan) is the one month with no Jewish holidays, fasts or mourning days that commemorate any given occasion. That's pretty much it. Also, it's the month I married xD
@@Crowcaller is it self immolation or just blind hope that this, this will be the good angel book? (Fine with either, I very much need more reviews of them 😂😂)
@@Crowcaller I feel this, there's a specific genre books that I always get into and each time I read them, they usually let me down. I am a big binge reader of LGBT books, and the amount of them that are not what they say they are is upsetting. If I did a channel dedicated to nothing but bad LGBT books I'd be making so many videos sadly I don't know how to edit videos so it would just be endless transfer about five hours.
@@2006HondaCivicD I would, but as much as I love LGBT books, there's some really messed up once and I think if people heard how bad it was they'd get depressed.
Lol this book inspired me and my friends to write a YA parody book together when we were in high school. Our school used to put posters on the insides of the bathroom stalls advertising different YA books in an attempt to encourage students to read. Hush Hush was one of them, along with a few other really cheesy sounding YA books. My friends and I started referring to these books as "bathroom stall books" and we decided to write our own. It was about a girl with time travel powers who attends a school for supernatural beings. She gets caught in a love triangle with Gabriel, an angel from the past, and Damian, a demon from the future. She time travels so that she can go to a fancy Victorian ball and fight in a rebel army in a dystopian future. At the end the three of them end up in a polyamorous relationship.
it actually makes a lot of sense that the mormon author chose to use vague, superficial jewish elements in this story, because mormons tend to have an even weirder and more entitled relationship to jewish theology than 98% of other christian sects (and yet somehow an ability to know far less than they do about it)
I always wonder how on Earth people who claim to believe in God tend to come out with books in which theistic satanism seems to be the right option... Or generally butchering the religion they claim to believe in. I mean I know 2 or 3 examples, one not even being on paper just from some blog, but still.
@@a.w.4708lack of self awareness. I assume it’s the same reason you get allegory books about racism or whatever but end up making it totally reasonable to be afraid of the allegory group. Like mutants sometimes just nuking city blocks when they wake up so maybe having a way to track them isn’t the worst idea
The detective of this series has the same energy of that Tuxedo Mask meme. "My work here is done" "But you didn't do anything?" "My work here is done!"
Whenever someone refers to something as “Hebrew” I already know they know nothing about my culture, our beliefs, or even how to speak about or to us. I’m glad you mentioned it and touched on it.
Yeah I just suddenly realised as I was talking about it the book calls it "the Hebrew month of cheshvan" the entire time. Which is hm. (Also I f---k the pronunciation but at least I know that much)
I did come here to comment on the pronunciation of Heshvan (the ch/H is the back of the throat sound like the French R) but I am glad you at least touched on how the author clearly knows nothing. And now you’ll hopefully never have to say it again.
@@selkish1352 I tend to not correct people because I know it’s not a sound many can make. I just like to say “ We don’t make the Ch sound it’s more of a back of the throat H.”
I don't want to make generalizations, but I'm noticing a pattern of Mormon women writing romanticized abusive relationships. Coincidence, or indoctrination? 🤷🏼♀️ Thanks for attempting to make sense of this mess (I was still very confused, but that is no fault of yours!) 🖤
Having grown up in the thick of Mormonism in Utah I can very safely say that the fetishization of abuse and assault are pretty common coping mechanisms of women who grew up under strict control. I knew a LOT of girls who couldn't differentiate violence and romance, especially in my teen years (and we don't have time to unpack what that kind of fetishization does to the men they went on to marry, either). Fetishization as a coping mechanism for finding freedom in control is a complicated issue but yeah, it's pretty prevalent for Mormon women. (I'm a non-binary ex-mormon and working through my own stuff, but I'm certainly not exempt this.)
And men. Brandon Mull and the several thousand year old unicorn man (who acts like he's in his late twenties) who says he'll wait for a 15 year old girl to turn 18 so he can date her.... I can't believe this was read to me as a child and that I have every book in the series and the sister series, the sister series being entirely signed... God damn it.
@@sincerelyparandI think it’s worse in the sense that it’s like dating your dad/grandpa but not as bad because unlike twilight where the grooming is in your face, here you need to make a few calaculations to get there-it’s no so immediately obvious. Still messed up though
I think that Missy, Marcy, and Yolotli need to start a club in the theoretical book afterlife for “characters in bad books who are more interesting then the protagonist done dirty by the plot”
I never finished reading House of Night, but I propose Aphrodite might be a good applicant to that club too. Even uncritically reading kid me found Aphrodite more interesting than Zoey. A mean girl, burdened by the gift of visions, grown up in luxury but burdened with expectations and seemingly emotional neglect, trying to do the right thing, while the protagonist group (her ALLIES) AND the fucking godess of her people keep being shitty to her
Me: I've seen a lot of bad YA love interests, Patch can't be that bad. Patch: Stalks the MC, deliberately calls her by a name after she actively tells him she's uncomfortable, invades her space and rubs off her lipstick, takes her to a seedy motel Seriously, Edward Cullen was bad, but this guy does all the shorthands for creep in one scene. I mean I don't have the best understanding of romance (aro) but mon dieu...
@@melowlw8638 I'm sorry, I picked that habit up from a book I read. I realize now that it could be insulting. I'm really sorry and I'll try to do better.
@@encyclogeekia1865 they weren't mad at you, actually! honestly seems like they were doing the usual funny little stereotypical "French" noises, so don't worry about saying mon dieu :^)
@@encyclogeekia1865 friend they weren't mad they were joking with you! They were just laughing about how English speakers pronounce french words like "honhon". Like the "haha I know french baguette honhon" /lh
Oh my god these are my favorite bad books, very excited to see you cover them. They literally pissed me off so bad as a tween I got super into obscure Biblical lore and now I have a BA in religion.
GODS YES. I was so mad reading these books as a tween/teen that I didn't even finish them and now I also have a really obscure obsession with Biblical Lore (which really also fully plays into history and regional lores. So fun) But I didn't even finish the series I had to throw in the book at Crescendo
i love how i know i read all the hush hush books and yet i cannot for the love of god remember one single relevant plot point, at all, all i remember is how i dragged myself out of the last three books just because my friend loved the series and i wanted to have the right to talk shit of the books without her saying i hadn't read all of them to know lol. The more you explain the plot the most i have this faint memories of freaking out over annoying and strange plot points.
Yeah. It's that kinda book series. It's BC it's so poorly planned out most everything that happens is irrelevant, so there's no point remembering it all
Same. I read the first 2. I don't even recall how I felt about them, but apparently didn't like them enough to finish them. The funniest part is I read both the Hush, Hush and Fallen Series, and out of the 2, I remember NOTHING from Hush, Hush. Fallen, I at least remember some small plot points, but Hush, Hush, nothing other then the main guy was named Patch.
Oh my gosh sameee, well I only remember reading the 1st one through my school's library 😅 and because my school's library didn't carry the next ones I just kinda dropped it and only recently am I realizing, Wait I don't think I truly grasped what I was actually reading? 😅 if that makes sense. Like Hush Hush, Matched, maximum ride, and this other one I can't remember the name of right now, were all books I densely remembering checking out and reading through all the way, cause I had this thing where I felt like I had to finish it no matter what, but like you, no matter how much I truly listen to this video, I wouldn't even be able to tell if they were telling the truth 😅 in all honesty, it all jumbled into 1 big pile of mess
The part that weirds me out (abt the hospital scene) was medical consent?? Like "oh by the way we gave you ibuprofen" um they normally ask first because allergies??? Ibuprofen allergies (trust me lol) are a thing and it may not be on record
I don’t know if this applies to this book (book 3 where the “bad boy” suddenly has darker skin), but as an ex-mormon I feel like I should inform you all that there’s a concept called “the mark of Cain” where the reason people have dark skin is a physical representation of being sinful, and by being holy and following the teachings in the prophets and the Book of Mormon (and the new testament and the bible) you will be blessed with whiteness. Yeah. Joseph Smith was racist. This “mark of Cain” isn’t really taught openly any more and not everyone knows of it, but it definitely influences the religion’s view of POC and darker skin in general. I’m just wondering if that might be where the bad boy getting notably darker skin might come from, considering the author’s mormon?
this and other YA romance written by mormon authors is always interesting to me for this reason, there’s some cultural ideals that leak over unintentionally that other people might not notice
Given how Patch is described as swarthy as well, I suspect the author was also influenced by old timey "bad boys and villains are ethnic" tropes. I don't think she intended to put any of it in there, but she really didn't seem to think too hard about this.
I think my favorite part about these angel romances is how heaven always seems to have some kind of "prison" or concept of jailing someone, like...can't g-d just poof them from existence? Can't you just get that guy? YOURE ANGELS
A weird thing in this series is that any concept of a deity or higher power is just... ignored. Like, people find out Heaven and Hell and angels are all real, but not one person asks, "Soooo, was everything else in the Bible accurate?" I can understand not directly addressing it, but at least have someone wonder about it!
@@ZeldaQueen64 I don't know what the book is called in English but I read one where the angel outright says "yeah, don't worry, we don't know if god is real either! :D" That's better than ignoring it I guess 😂
@@naolucillerandom5280 that's actually a hilarious concept "So, god exists then?" "Eh, we don't actually know." "But- you're an angel, isn't he your boss?" **shrugs**
Unironically In my personal belief system my own opinion on heaven and God that they... Have favorites. Heaven is bound by rules and God is nothing more then a deity with no concept of right or wrong that chooses randomly based off mere chance (might've used the word mere chance bc of that death note musical iykyk8
Oh my goshhhh I made this series my entire personality when I was 16. It was near the end of my sophomore year and I was waiting for a monster (preferably a vampire) to show up and fall in love with me. I WAS EVEN FAN CASTING RYAN POTTER AS PATCH FOR THE MOVIE ADAPTATION (RYAN, I'M SO SORRY MY LOVE) 🫣
Detective Archangel just pulls a full Tuxedo Mask, huh? Also, between watching some of your videos and Alizee's on House of Night, 2000-2010s YA had a real problem with making a stereotypical mean girl character, then making her more likeable than the main character, and then proceeding to just be terrible to her for the rest of the series and apparently just kill her off.
House of Night actually DID redeem its mean girl. I gave up on those books many, many years ago as I was tired of Zoey sleeping with every attractive man who talked to her, feeling badly about it, and then slut shaming herself - but, Aphrodite was easily the best character in an entire series of uncomfortable stereotypes and annoying duds, and if those talentless jerks killed her off, what little charm the books had has died with her.
As a goody-two shoes, the only thing I ever “stole” was one of these books. I borrowed it from my school library as a child, hated it enough to put it down (a feat at the time), and forgot about it until they sent me an invoice for it at 21.
@@siennahartle9069 and they continue to every year when school lets out 😂 Normally I would be a Good Samaritan and return it, but I didn’t find it until I was unpacking after I moved. My mom has gotten emails for it a couple times too hahaha
@@katerinaharness I honestly don’t know what’s funnier, the fact that the school is desperate enough to get a book back that they contact you about it annually, or the fact that they want THIS book back at all 🤣
@@siennahartle9069 the funniest part to me is that they waited until i was 21 to invoice me rather than ask me to return it before i left the school when my year transferred to the highschool 😂 maybe they saw booktok and were rubbing their hands together like “damn… that’s valuable”
@@katerinaharness They're just trying to be considerate by not reminding you about the book until you're old enough to drink to forget about it (if you're in the US)
The treatment of Marcie reminds me of My Immortal when the author killed off the insert character of her friend and all the main characters were laughing about it
I have seen enough of your videos about YA angel paranormal romance to know that when you say it's THE WORST it's gotta be something truly special. I'm bracing myself for this.
When somebody says one of these is the worst and there are a reader of all of them, it really does speak. Crow really does deliver the angel paranormal romance genre that I always struggle to get into, let alone understand it all of these books exist. For me angel books were so cut-and-dry that they usually didn't have romance, to know that there is a sub-genre of romance ones boggles my mind. I read a lot of LGBT romance books and I have a big list of good ones and a massive list of bad ones, but I think when I try to pick out the worst one it's always going to be something so offensively nobody will expect it. And it's always so weird anybody ever defends the worst thing that I've read.
in the USA you can be prescribed ibuprofen in 800s, my wife has an ibuprofen prescription, that is indeed a thing. I've also had a script for it but mine wasn't permanent like hers. It's actually a surprisingly common script.
Yeah, that holds for naproxen too, the pain medicine with the US brand name Aleve. I was able to get a prescription for naproxen tablets with more of the medicine in it than over-the-counter for managing period cramps, because I can take fewer of those pills in a day compared to the OTC tablets.
@@rebecca3647 I guess getting to swallow less pills is a minor convenience (though for some it could be very helpful I guess if they find it extremely hard to take pills or maybe if they have some issue with their stomach perhaps), but it’s not like it’s achieving any effect or health benefits you couldn’t achieve by taking the OTC medication at the same overall dose, so I think the real benefit in most cases is the fact that prescription medications can be covered by insurance and the copay is often way less than you’d pay for a bottle of over the counter medication.
@@Crowcaller yeah but you’re still oh so right that the author doesn’t know what they’re talking about when they write about someone waking up from a serious car accident in the hospital with the doctor saying “we gave you ibuprofen, and I’ll be sending you home with a prescription for it” and the character saying they feel groggy from the ibuprofen… it doesn’t matter how much ibuprofen you take, the only way it’s gonna be psychoactive is if it’s some weird side effect of overdosing and fucking your stomach/kidneys/liver up. And the reason it’s a prescription drug as well as an OTC isn’t because it’s like a serious heavy duty painkiller in higher doses, it’s so people that need it like everyday with a doctor’s approval can get it from the pharmacy and have insurance cover part of the cost.
Since the author is Mormon, I don't think she picked a Jewish month on random, because Mormon doctrine is suuuper weird about Jews (and literally everyone). According to their doctrine Native Americans are one of the lost tribes of Israel, which split into white and black people, because as a punishment for idolatry, god turned them black. And like there's just so much racism to unpack there. Firstly this claims they are Jews AND Native Americas, which erases both antisemitism and colonialism, and then "being black is a punishment from god"???? I've got the understanding that not all modern Mormons believe this, but the fact that she appropriates Judaism is I think very telling here...
I absolutely don't fault you for not knowing, but the Jew in me needs to mention that Cheshvan is pronounced [HESH-von]. Ch in Hebrew transliteration is pronounced as a phlegmy, back of the throat, "H." I also absolutely agree with your assessment that the author probably saw that Cheshvan takes place kind of vaguely around October/November most years, and went "Ah, this must be the old, Biblical Spooky Month." because there is no Jewish holiday or significance to Cheshvan that I can even begin to think of.
@@Crowcaller Why do you drink in all thier pain and revel in it so then huh 😂 In all seriousness, thanks, I have never known that this US Supernatural brand of angel mythology was so popular, and it seems it was an integral part of the 2010th western culture. I guess, this angel obsession had trickled down to Russian media (tis my country) somewhat, but I know only about some bad movies and an extremely cringe cartoon, I will try to post about it in your Discord later.
The author had to scrap the *entire first draft for book 2*? like there was nothing salvageable AT ALL in a draft for a series whose first book has the lip gloss creep scene and eating disorder jokes? how bad must it have been??
like you, i’ve always been hugely into angels/people with wings (i blame maximum ride) so i read this when i was a kid and even then i was like, wtf is this
This is how paranormal romances work. Demon is obviously just naughty bad boy cause that's what demons are, naughty bad boy is hot, hot is good. Which lead us to final conclusion.
Every time I’m down on myself for my writing I’m going to remember this series had four books and was beloved by teens for a long time Edit: also the one thing that punishing a one dimension character constantly - especially one a victim of sexism and slut shaming by the MCs - is that it makes me like them more. They deserved better writing, and I will gladly take them from an author if they don’t want to treat them well
i stared at that chart for a WHILE and it still only sorta makes sense, its really impressive that someone wrote this book and thought it made sense lol
When I was in high school, I was in a Krav Maga class with a lot of middle school girls, and became acquainted with some of them. We talked occasionally when we went to get our stuff. I have a distinct memory of standing, waiting for my mom to come pick me up since I didn’t have my license yet, as one of the girls _gushed_ to her friends abt Hush, Hush. Specifically abt Patch. And I remember thinking “Patch? PATCH? Man these YA books are running out of names.” Before asking her a bit abt it. And she told me the fallen Angel lore and I said “oh okay, cool” and let her go back to talking since it wasn’t my thing. So, uh, learning all this horrifying lore after the fact has been- _interesting_ . I hope that girl turned out okay.
when u mentioned that Dante climbed through her window I genuinely thought you meant the old bible fanfiction author Dante and just accepted, that he was a canon character in the book.
I have to wonder how bad the first draft of book 2 would have to be for people to say, “hey… maybe redo this? Like everything?” Because books like Pawn and the Puppet exist, so I have to wonder how bad it was ( I get that this book series and Pawn and the Puppet are different demographics, but it’s still a terrible book that shouldn’t have been published )
I was waiting for this. I also loved the YA from the 2010's but Hush, hush was SOO awful, and a lot of people would try to convince me that the books were great. I didn't finish all of them but one and a half was more then enough for me. So happy to come laugh at this with everyone 👌
I remember reading hush hush in middle school on recommendation from a friend who read it with a 102 degree fever and loved it. I remember being furious about the Elliot twist because he was nice and I really liked him and you've brought that irritation back full force.
Back again with another middle school classic, I remember reading the first 3 books and not bothering to hunt down the last one so time to finally learn how these books end.
I'd love a YA book where the angels in it appear to be Biblically accurate looking ones. Would be really fun to see the protagonist react to it not having read the bible and therefore not believing this wierd scary looking entity they see is in fact an angel, perhaps even assumes its a demon or monster.. it would take time to develop trust and a positive dynamic.. perhaps the angel could be a messenger to earn the people of a big oncoming disaster and the protagonist after learning to trust this angel works with it to find a way to get the message across without the dangers of being seen as a threat, alien, a science experiment or being interrupted by every question that a Christian may have to ask. It could be like a buddy cop story with some Satyre implemented where basically there's opportunities for everyone to have a gag. Like the protagonist could be a hardcore athiest for example. There could also be a lot of good messages to tell in the story too as well as points that could be debated on
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I remember reading this years ago back in high school. I still stand by the fact that Marcie deserves to be in a better series. She's the only character that has some complexity and humanizing moments. It would be cool to see her be the lead of a series, starting off as a bitchy cheerleader to slowly become a strong heroine and better person. But, nope. Instead she is the butt of extremely poor taste anorexia jokes and is killed off at the end, being mourned by no one. What a waste.
Just seeing the cover brings back the anger and annoyance I felt as a college student dealing with an influx of post-Twilight paranormal romance nonsense that somehow got more offensive than Twilight ever did.
not only is marcie unable to keep her weight up due to the whole dying thing, she's still triumphing over that to do a really difficult sport. Like cheerleading, from what I understand, is incredibly difficult and all those girls are very strong. She's straight up an inspirational character in a better book.
I had to read the first book for a test 'cause my all-girls catholic school wanted to be hip and cool when YA novels super popular. I can't remember anything about it other than my friend's wtf faces when they tried telling us it was okay 'cause it was religious and not sinful like twilight LOL
@@naolucillerandom5280 That's what has me cracking up over here 🤣. If only they knew how much Edward was clutching his pearls when Bella was asking him to have sex before marriage 😂😂
Why does the idea of the cheerleading captain leading she has angel cancer and her absent dad is is manipulating her entire town sound way cooler than ‘plain girl in vaguely abusive relationship with asshole’
As someone who was not like the other girls in high school (I'm a boy, plot twist) and reading House of Night instead of Twilight, I got to say both books messed me up in different ways. But hearing this one I am so concerned that anybody could ever like it, like it's weird to like Twilight but I can accept that and move on because for one thing you put so much time into reading it. House of Night had some really good ideas and Native American representation but then threw it all in the trash to go magic girl AU. Hush-Hush sounds like an amalgamation of all of my least favorite things in all of the books that I've read over the last twenty-plus years, all congealed into this meat Jell-O of nastiness that I do not want to touch nor consume.
Unironically used to love this series when I was in high school, but I don’t remember ANY of it. Yet if you asked 15 year old me who my favorite author was, I would’ve said Becca Fitzpatrick.
I think I already commented about Hush Hush on another one of your videos but God, am I excited for this one. The first was my favourite YA fantasy/paranormal romance book when I was a teen but I also disliked all three of the others (the 2nd&3rd because they're boring and the 4th one... well...). I so enjoyed the mystery aspect of the first one that I made both my mum and my best friend read it. ETA: I only read Finale because years after finishing Silence, one of my classmates revealed she liked the series and told me, after I had explained my hatred for the middle two books, the fourth one was better. It's true it isn't as uneventful as Crescendo and Silence but nothing in it makes sense.
I read these books during my accidental Angel Romance YA phase but I couldn't tell you a single thing that happened in the books. I remember them taking a loooooong time for me to get through and I kept having to put them down and come back to them. I can't believe I forgot all of this ridiculousness - thanks for putting yourself through having to recap that mess.
Oh I'm ready for this. A friend recommended this to me in middle school and I'm sure I didn't even make it halfway through the first book. I read it without paying much attention, all I remember is a lot of harassment and assault, I hated the guy, I hated the friend (I think she was kidnapped at one point and I didn't care), a psychologist appeared and then I left it because I just didn't care.
"you should slit your wrist over the birthmark horizontally" i know that this is gonna end up being some convoluted plot thing that comes back later, but it'd be really funny if bonto just passive aggressively told nora to kill herself before dipping back into heaven
A lot of YA books of the time tried to pull a bit of a "Well they're not TOTALLY bad" thing with their mean girls, but I've yet to read one that was this... cruel about it? Like, holy shit, that scene you read out loud where they discuss Marcy's death is *horrible*. What awful characters!
I can't pinpoint it but I feel a hint of ableism in Marcie's character. At least there is the villian becomes disabled because karma which is a fun little trope. /s
Oh yeah the chonky bois, apparently when I had a breast reduction done the doctors were a bit apprehensive about giving me anything stronger than the chonky boi because technically it was a cosmetic surgery Once I was back in reality enough to realize just how much pain I was in I was so mad
I HATE HATE HATE is that the name "Patch" *purely* associates with Trusty Patches, middle-aged bold scoundrel, with me, it makes this so much worse. Though Patches is not even nearly as disgusting and creepy as Patch :/ Great video as always Crow!
Hi, loving the video, and I'm sure other people will point this out too, but I wanted to say that Cheshvan is pronounced with a hard 'h', not a 'ch'! Think Chanukkah or Loch. Thanks :)
I knowweewwwwwww I'm so ashamed. I knew I needed to look it up but forgot. This really ruins my cred as someone who is in fact Jewish but by circumstances wasn't raised properly as such
@@Crowcaller all good man, it happens to the best of us and it's unreasonably difficult to get a proper Jewish education in many parts of the world (thanks, assimilation!). I'm no expert either but I try to help when I can
Oh, I remember reading Hush, Hush when I was a teenager. I ended up in a fandom space for the book, and I remember being weirded out that a lot of the girls and women in that space were weirdly... obsessed? With the model from the cover art.
I remember reading the first one of these and it was a chore to even get through that. Slogging through the whole series? Woof. You're a stronger person than me lol. It's not really the same, as they aren't actually angels, but I'd be interested in you covering the Maximum Ride series sometime. I was pretty into those back in middle and early high school, and ohhhh boy did the series launch itself off the rails.
I just kinda lost the plot after the 6th book. The first 3? Completely understandable. The next 3 get weird, but it's still following a comprehensible series of events. No idea what happens after that. It's just confusing
@@the_last_ballad I read up to the eighth book and hated it. Because they spent the last few books fighting against people who were trying to wipe out humanity and replace them with mutants or whatever, and then in the last 30 pages or so an asteroid randomly hits the Earth and then Max is like "We're evolutionary superior than the people who made us so that's why we're alive" and that's supposed to be the thematic conclusion
Just finished! There is such a missed opportunity in these books, and it's making me wonder if I should dust off my old YA story from that era. Playing with the fact the male love interest is a stalker and he ends up becoming the bad guy and the book ended with the MC taking him out. It also had some really fun vampire lore I've been wanting to rewrite... I curse you (not really, you're amazing), but you make me want to write too many things.
i love how hush, hush makes twilight looks like a well written book my friends always said that all these post- twilight supernatural romance books were better than twilight and I said it wasn't true... And it wasn't. You should try some korean novels sometime, there's somo Nora dumb FLs there, I have some recommendations (both good and bad)
if you want THE BAD: The Abandoned Empress has a ML worst than Patch... if you want one I actually like: Villainess Are Destined to Die is pretty solid, not entirely solid, but quite good
I just wanted to clarify: there IS in fact a prescription Ibuprofren. It’s a way stronger dose of the medication than what’s allowed to be on the shelves. But I think it wouldn’t necessarily be given for a car crash, since when I was prescribed it, it was for back pain and I asked for something that wouldn’t make me sleepy during work
That Lore Chart filled me with absolute dread & anxiety despite never having nor planning to read this book series. Honestly, this book series is an excellent touchstone as to why it’s extremely important & critical to not just craft & define the bones of your magic system & basic lore before or early in your writing process even if you only plan on writing a singular book in said world; but also to FIRMLY stick to those foundations for the whole story or series. It’s not completely taboo to modify the system as you write but writers should make the effort to ensure it doesn’t fundamentally break everything set up simply for the sake of inserting some revelation or twist or new characters. A firm magic & lore ruleset is excellent for breeding creativity similar to how so many innovations in filmmaking both technically and narratively resulted from working within & around limitations. In travesties like this book series however the author deliberately chooses to abandon & fracture their own setup for sake of getting certain plot results which end up totally worthless and un-compelling anyway & will only frustrate readers earnestly trying to meet the author’s story halfway & the allowance of their suspension of disbelief which is hard to re-establish when the author so blatantly obliterates it.
i read hush (comma) hush when i was about 15 I think? i cant remember if I finished it or not, but I remember thinking it was badly written (and I was prepared to ignore a LOT of bs in my paranormal romance at the time). my first "oh no" was on the /first page/. like no offense to people with this name, but Nora is not a particularly sexy name for your leading lady. there were two noras in my grandmother's nursing home. i kept picturing an old lady. also "patch" for the love interest? like the puppy from 101 dalmations? the point where I really gave up (mentally, i kept reading g-d knows why) was when, inorder to make the reader think of Patch as this dangerous, bad boy, it's revealed that he plays pool at the local bar, and rides a motorbike. my grey-haired, middle-aged dad does both of those things. i don't know why I kept reading after this; once you stop finding the love interest sexy, it becomes immediately obvious how 1-dimensional and boring the characters are, and the terrible writing leaps out and backhands you across the face
I'm maybe 1.5 minutes into the summary of book one but the funniest thing about these types of books is the names. you mean to tell me this immortal angel being is named Patch? no joke? it's not even short for uuuh patchrelius or whatever?
Look, I'm a raging Good Omens fan girl. I'm a ride-or-die Crowley stan. Demons can be best bois and love interests, and I'm delighted by that. But this is not the sort of genre that does fun things with angels and demons like Good Omens does. So the fact that the love interest is a literal demon seems like it's very THERE but does not get addressed...
I paused to try to understand the flowchart. After a few moments of looking at it, I then proceeded to continue watching the video and gave up on understanding any of the lore or plot. I'm probably better off for it.
TRIGGER WARNINGS ACCIDENTALLY NOT INCLUDED IN VIDEO SO HERE IT IS: this is a series of YA books for an audience of 13+ and the vid is appropriate for it. However, there's some content which may need to be warned of in advance. This includes abuse, manipulation, stalking in a romantic relationship and food intake disorders, specifically bullying/jokes about food intake disorders. There's also a mention of wrist cutting in a non self harm way.
Love your work . Just wanted to
A) ask your thoughts about daughter of smoke and Bone by Leni Taylor
B) tell you there seems to be a few seconds replicated on 10:13 and I don't know if it's my phone or a video thing
could you add wrist selfharm to the trigger warnings ?
@@bestaqua23 I don't believe it's intentional. Jump cuts are usually me removing mistakes or whatever, so I mustve missed the backtrack and left it in. My bad!
@@Astrotorical no problem ! I didn't bother me but I thought it's better to inform someone
Man that is some nasty stalking in these books, glad that people are actually looking at it for what it is: nasty and not romantic.
I only read the first book but I'm still haunted years later by Nora describing herself by saying "I'm built like a barstool: all legs"
I'm sorry what 😂😂, like the author really wrote that and thought it was a good line 😂😂. I'm so glad I was out of my twilight phase when Hush, Hush came out. But also I was in High School and about to graduate 😂
WHAT 😭☠️
I'm sorry, WHAT?! That's... That's... I'm speechless...
A line that funny has no business being in a book this bad
Everyone knows barstools are only three or four legs awkwardly strapped together. They had to make them that way so it would be so uncomfortable to sit on them, with multiple legs just stabbing you in the butt, that nobody could be tempted into the sin of drunkenness by getting too comfortable at a bar.
I love how the entire cast has the most boring, uninspired human names like Nora and Scott and then the love interest is just named Patch for some reason? Is he secretly a dog???
I have a Stardew Valley farmer oc named Rigatoni so I can’t say anything about that
my automatic thought was that the author really liked the Robin William's movie Patch Adams 🤣
I mean I think you can make that work but when their personalities are as bland as their names it really becomes more glaring.
Jev reminds me of the vone "my name is Jeff" so
For whatever reason, I associate the name Patch with stuffed animals, so _that_ was my mental image all video.
imagine making a toxic fake-goth angel badboy ya love interest in the 2010s and naming him Patch and then expecting him to be taken seriously as a brooding 60000000000 year old teenager
DIDNT HE LIKE ONE TIME SPECIFY THAT HE WAS A ARCH ANGEL ONE TIME?! BROS IS *EIONS* YEARS OLD HELP 😭
As Kennie JD might sing, “A brooding hot six billion year old teenager with a dark past and a violent temper”
I came here to say this.
You want to know what’s even more laughable?
It worked when I was 17 😂
@@mst3kharrisLMAO I was totally thinking of her singing that every time crow talked about scenes with patch 😂
Imagine finishing your four-book series furiously typing the closing line, “No Angel, I undress to impress.” Then having the nerve to wipe away a tear pride and whisper to yourself, “That’s it. That’s the line.”
This is my head cannon of the event and I won’t be told otherwise.
I second that this is exactly how it happened. Like she wrote that and thought yeah that's what people want 😂
As a Jew I do not claim this weird angel lore. For reference, Cheshvan is the only Jewish month that no holidays fall, but it is the month reserved for Moshiach(messiah) to return and bring peace to all peoples. No weird angel stuff, if anything our version of angels just mostly chill and occasionally come to warn folks or grab lunch
I like the idea of chill angels. It gives me the image of these terrifying, alien-esque entities just laying around on the tops of buildings or on people's yards, occasionally yoinking food and telling people when bad things will happen
Same. As a Jewish person, I also do not condone this angel lore. I headcanon our angel lore to be that angels are real and can come down to earth, but their only purpose is to mildly screw with people and make peoples lives mildly more irritating just as a practical joke. They never do anything too bad, nothing that completely ruins things, they just make things ever so slightly more tedious and irritating than they need to be. They are the type of supernatural entity that can alter your thoughts but only use it to make you forget your passwords.
The bundle of eye-covered concentric circles with a few to many wings descended into the living room through a blinding beam of light and thus it spoke "Hey dude there will be another flood man, Yeah sorry the rainbow turned out to be a lie bud" the angel somehow grabbed a sandwich out of my fridge "Hey can i have this i missed lunch? Thanks pal. But yeah you gotta build a ark." The angel then ascended back too the heavens leaving a last message for me "Please remember to get some bigfoots! God is still bummed out about the unicorns not making it last time."
As another Jewish person, this ticked me off. Do your damn research before you add stuff like that, Rebecca!
When talking about angels, in Judaism they are G'd's messengers and are unable to do anything but His Will, which is actually why humans with free will are considered to be more important or more valuable than angels, as we can actually choose to serve Him rather than be made to. That's mostly what the mainstream, religious Jew will know about angels.
In Kaballah studies, however, there are so mang words (including nephilim, btw, and satan, and azazel) which somehow have made their way into mainstream culture but completely disconnected from any Jewish teaching even though the study of Kaballah is inherently part of Jewish scholarly life. I don't personally understand how these mystical concepts that few scholarly Jews have dared to touch somehow got into mainstream novels such as Hush Hush or TV shows like Supernatural. I'm also a religious Jew, btw.
And yes, as said above, Cheshvan, also known as Mar Cheshvan (or bitter Cheshvan) is the one month with no Jewish holidays, fasts or mourning days that commemorate any given occasion. That's pretty much it. Also, it's the month I married xD
once again Crow is haunted by sexy horrible angel men and terrible plot lines. free them
I really really really like angels as a concept so I am very interested in really bad books about them
@@Crowcaller is it self immolation or just blind hope that this, this will be the good angel book? (Fine with either, I very much need more reviews of them 😂😂)
@@Crowcaller I feel this, there's a specific genre books that I always get into and each time I read them, they usually let me down. I am a big binge reader of LGBT books, and the amount of them that are not what they say they are is upsetting. If I did a channel dedicated to nothing but bad LGBT books I'd be making so many videos sadly I don't know how to edit videos so it would just be endless transfer about five hours.
@@Topdoggie7 honestly, someone should make a videos about reviewing lbgt books more so I dont accidentally consume a very bad one.
@@2006HondaCivicD I would, but as much as I love LGBT books, there's some really messed up once and I think if people heard how bad it was they'd get depressed.
Lol this book inspired me and my friends to write a YA parody book together when we were in high school. Our school used to put posters on the insides of the bathroom stalls advertising different YA books in an attempt to encourage students to read. Hush Hush was one of them, along with a few other really cheesy sounding YA books. My friends and I started referring to these books as "bathroom stall books" and we decided to write our own. It was about a girl with time travel powers who attends a school for supernatural beings. She gets caught in a love triangle with Gabriel, an angel from the past, and Damian, a demon from the future. She time travels so that she can go to a fancy Victorian ball and fight in a rebel army in a dystopian future. At the end the three of them end up in a polyamorous relationship.
Is it posted anywhere? That legitimately sounds fun to read
@@ladytopaz6358 No, it's still on my friend's hard drive somewhere
@@Kytheguy imma need your friend to release the book so we can read
bro this could be a new york best seller 💀
Publish this book
it actually makes a lot of sense that the mormon author chose to use vague, superficial jewish elements in this story, because mormons tend to have an even weirder and more entitled relationship to jewish theology than 98% of other christian sects (and yet somehow an ability to know far less than they do about it)
it makes sense that their book is so judgemental over people with mental illnesses because mormons are taught to suck as people really bad.
I always wonder how on Earth people who claim to believe in God tend to come out with books in which theistic satanism seems to be the right option... Or generally butchering the religion they claim to believe in. I mean I know 2 or 3 examples, one not even being on paper just from some blog, but still.
@@a.w.4708lack of self awareness. I assume it’s the same reason you get allegory books about racism or whatever but end up making it totally reasonable to be afraid of the allegory group. Like mutants sometimes just nuking city blocks when they wake up so maybe having a way to track them isn’t the worst idea
“Devilcraft” sounds like what they called D&D in the 80s, not an actual plot device from a 00s YA series
The detective of this series has the same energy of that Tuxedo Mask meme. "My work here is done" "But you didn't do anything?" "My work here is done!"
Whenever someone refers to something as “Hebrew” I already know they know nothing about my culture, our beliefs, or even how to speak about or to us. I’m glad you mentioned it and touched on it.
Yeah I just suddenly realised as I was talking about it the book calls it "the Hebrew month of cheshvan" the entire time. Which is hm. (Also I f---k the pronunciation but at least I know that much)
@@Crowcaller I won’t harp on it because you tried and you were being respectful❤️
I did come here to comment on the pronunciation of Heshvan (the ch/H is the back of the throat sound like the French R) but I am glad you at least touched on how the author clearly knows nothing. And now you’ll hopefully never have to say it again.
@@selkish1352 I tend to not correct people because I know it’s not a sound many can make. I just like to say “ We don’t make the Ch sound it’s more of a back of the throat H.”
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I don't want to make generalizations, but I'm noticing a pattern of Mormon women writing romanticized abusive relationships. Coincidence, or indoctrination? 🤷🏼♀️ Thanks for attempting to make sense of this mess (I was still very confused, but that is no fault of yours!) 🖤
Having grown up in the thick of Mormonism in Utah I can very safely say that the fetishization of abuse and assault are pretty common coping mechanisms of women who grew up under strict control. I knew a LOT of girls who couldn't differentiate violence and romance, especially in my teen years (and we don't have time to unpack what that kind of fetishization does to the men they went on to marry, either). Fetishization as a coping mechanism for finding freedom in control is a complicated issue but yeah, it's pretty prevalent for Mormon women. (I'm a non-binary ex-mormon and working through my own stuff, but I'm certainly not exempt this.)
Let's ask Chelise from Cults to Counciousness 🤔
And men. Brandon Mull and the several thousand year old unicorn man (who acts like he's in his late twenties) who says he'll wait for a 15 year old girl to turn 18 so he can date her.... I can't believe this was read to me as a child and that I have every book in the series and the sister series, the sister series being entirely signed... God damn it.
Mormonism is a cult so it's definitely a cope
@@belflorxochitl5851or Jordan and McKay
I can't believe anyone takes this series seriously when the love interest is named Patch
As someone who has played Darksouls i cant stop imagining Patches whenever she mentions him. Dude seems about as trustworthy honestly.
@@Draqer Patches would never treat you this bad he would have kicked her down a hole by book one
@@Draqer i was thinking that too lol, it's a way funnier mental image than him being a cardboard YA bad boy at least
@@romulusnuma116 Which does sound like something Patch would also do.
Patch was my childhood dog. Whenever I hear "Patch" I see this derpy dalmatian face and I can't take this character seriously.
"That your boyfriend might have helped conceive you into the world...?" - That is a whole other level of "grooming" right there man...
thats truly some Jacob and Renesmee type of grooming 😭
WHAT. I will only watch book 1 review as I have 3 others to finish but which book does he say that omg help me
@@sincerelyparandI think it’s worse in the sense that it’s like dating your dad/grandpa but not as bad because unlike twilight where the grooming is in your face, here you need to make a few calaculations to get there-it’s no so immediately obvious. Still messed up though
I think that Missy, Marcy, and Yolotli need to start a club in the theoretical book afterlife for “characters in bad books who are more interesting then the protagonist done dirty by the plot”
I never finished reading House of Night, but I propose Aphrodite might be a good applicant to that club too. Even uncritically reading kid me found Aphrodite more interesting than Zoey. A mean girl, burdened by the gift of visions, grown up in luxury but burdened with expectations and seemingly emotional neglect, trying to do the right thing, while the protagonist group (her ALLIES) AND the fucking godess of her people keep being shitty to her
Yepppp
@@lagggoat7170 Alizee is reading all the HON books and said the same thing about Aphrodite
@@lorey1330 my first thought on this comment was “oh hey, Aphrodite could join” cause of Alizee 😂😂
I would read and thoroughly enjoy this
Soo... a man called Dante walked into hell... wow, truly the epitome of creativity
**subhuman blasts in the background**
@@thedarklrd6714
The time has come and so have I.
Me: I've seen a lot of bad YA love interests, Patch can't be that bad.
Patch: Stalks the MC, deliberately calls her by a name after she actively tells him she's uncomfortable, invades her space and rubs off her lipstick, takes her to a seedy motel
Seriously, Edward Cullen was bad, but this guy does all the shorthands for creep in one scene. I mean I don't have the best understanding of romance (aro) but mon dieu...
Patch is so. Bad. I just..... I'm not strong enough....
mon dieu honhon
sorry
(the french impulse to make english speaker stereotypical french sounds jokes just came out of me)
@@melowlw8638 I'm sorry, I picked that habit up from a book I read. I realize now that it could be insulting. I'm really sorry and I'll try to do better.
@@encyclogeekia1865 they weren't mad at you, actually! honestly seems like they were doing the usual funny little stereotypical "French" noises, so don't worry about saying mon dieu :^)
@@encyclogeekia1865 friend they weren't mad they were joking with you! They were just laughing about how English speakers pronounce french words like "honhon". Like the "haha I know french baguette honhon" /lh
Oh my god these are my favorite bad books, very excited to see you cover them. They literally pissed me off so bad as a tween I got super into obscure Biblical lore and now I have a BA in religion.
You are an inspiration
You're an icon!
bestie same!!
GODS YES. I was so mad reading these books as a tween/teen that I didn't even finish them and now I also have a really obscure obsession with Biblical Lore (which really also fully plays into history and regional lores. So fun)
But I didn't even finish the series I had to throw in the book at Crescendo
The Ibuprofen was 100% her gateway to the spicy gatorade addiction😤
The forbidden punch..
Spicy gatorade sounds like a mistake a drunk would buy in a jenky gas station at 3 am
Can relate, I once took an Advil and now I can't stop drinking blue Gatorade. I drink at least fifty bottles a day
Also the Mormon thinking that ibuprofen is is on the same level as oxy so totally on brand for the cult
I'll never be able to take a character named Chauncy seriously since it's literally the name of my college's beaver mascot
i love how i know i read all the hush hush books and yet i cannot for the love of god remember one single relevant plot point, at all, all i remember is how i dragged myself out of the last three books just because my friend loved the series and i wanted to have the right to talk shit of the books without her saying i hadn't read all of them to know lol. The more you explain the plot the most i have this faint memories of freaking out over annoying and strange plot points.
Yeah. It's that kinda book series. It's BC it's so poorly planned out most everything that happens is irrelevant, so there's no point remembering it all
Same. I read the first 2. I don't even recall how I felt about them, but apparently didn't like them enough to finish them. The funniest part is I read both the Hush, Hush and Fallen Series, and out of the 2, I remember NOTHING from Hush, Hush. Fallen, I at least remember some small plot points, but Hush, Hush, nothing other then the main guy was named Patch.
Oh my gosh sameee, well I only remember reading the 1st one through my school's library 😅 and because my school's library didn't carry the next ones I just kinda dropped it and only recently am I realizing, Wait I don't think I truly grasped what I was actually reading? 😅 if that makes sense. Like Hush Hush, Matched, maximum ride, and this other one I can't remember the name of right now, were all books I densely remembering checking out and reading through all the way, cause I had this thing where I felt like I had to finish it no matter what, but like you, no matter how much I truly listen to this video, I wouldn't even be able to tell if they were telling the truth 😅 in all honesty, it all jumbled into 1 big pile of mess
The girls doomed by the narrative could be a polycule… Yes, I will use this to distract from whatever this series is-
The part that weirds me out (abt the hospital scene) was medical consent?? Like "oh by the way we gave you ibuprofen" um they normally ask first because allergies??? Ibuprofen allergies (trust me lol) are a thing and it may not be on record
I know! The whole thing was weird but yeah, I can't actually have ibuprofen BC drug interaction.
Can confirm, I have an allergy for it myself
The fact that his name is Patch makes him sound like a golden retriever
Don't drag golden retrievers like that
@@billuraral1870agreed. They don’t deserve to be associated with an edgy loser from a YA series
Patch was a ‘bad boy’ on Days of our Lives.
I don’t know if this applies to this book (book 3 where the “bad boy” suddenly has darker skin), but as an ex-mormon I feel like I should inform you all that there’s a concept called “the mark of Cain” where the reason people have dark skin is a physical representation of being sinful, and by being holy and following the teachings in the prophets and the Book of Mormon (and the new testament and the bible) you will be blessed with whiteness.
Yeah. Joseph Smith was racist. This “mark of Cain” isn’t really taught openly any more and not everyone knows of it, but it definitely influences the religion’s view of POC and darker skin in general.
I’m just wondering if that might be where the bad boy getting notably darker skin might come from, considering the author’s mormon?
this and other YA romance written by mormon authors is always interesting to me for this reason, there’s some cultural ideals that leak over unintentionally that other people might not notice
Given how Patch is described as swarthy as well, I suspect the author was also influenced by old timey "bad boys and villains are ethnic" tropes. I don't think she intended to put any of it in there, but she really didn't seem to think too hard about this.
Oh my god, that's horrifying
I think my favorite part about these angel romances is how heaven always seems to have some kind of "prison" or concept of jailing someone, like...can't g-d just poof them from existence? Can't you just get that guy? YOURE ANGELS
A weird thing in this series is that any concept of a deity or higher power is just... ignored. Like, people find out Heaven and Hell and angels are all real, but not one person asks, "Soooo, was everything else in the Bible accurate?" I can understand not directly addressing it, but at least have someone wonder about it!
This is just one of many, many problems with the lore of most of sexy angels and even sexier demons paranormal romances.
@@ZeldaQueen64 I don't know what the book is called in English but I read one where the angel outright says "yeah, don't worry, we don't know if god is real either! :D" That's better than ignoring it I guess 😂
@@naolucillerandom5280 that's actually a hilarious concept
"So, god exists then?"
"Eh, we don't actually know."
"But- you're an angel, isn't he your boss?"
**shrugs**
Unironically In my personal belief system my own opinion on heaven and God that they... Have favorites. Heaven is bound by rules and God is nothing more then a deity with no concept of right or wrong that chooses randomly based off mere chance
(might've used the word mere chance bc of that death note musical iykyk8
my favorite thing about crow caller videos is that there's always at least one sentence in them that deals psychic damage
Very true and something I unironically look forward to every time
I bought Hush, Hush at a thrift store for less than a dollar when I was a teenager and I still felt like I got ripped off
Oh my goshhhh I made this series my entire personality when I was 16.
It was near the end of my sophomore year and I was waiting for a monster (preferably a vampire) to show up and fall in love with me. I WAS EVEN FAN CASTING RYAN POTTER AS PATCH FOR THE MOVIE ADAPTATION (RYAN, I'M SO SORRY MY LOVE) 🫣
Oh mannnn...... You are so brave. So so brave
Detective Archangel just pulls a full Tuxedo Mask, huh?
Also, between watching some of your videos and Alizee's on House of Night, 2000-2010s YA had a real problem with making a stereotypical mean girl character, then making her more likeable than the main character, and then proceeding to just be terrible to her for the rest of the series and apparently just kill her off.
I've heard ! House of night is on my list for sure. It's notorious
Even Buffy realized this and redeemed the “mean girl” and that was in the damn 90s!
House of Night actually DID redeem its mean girl. I gave up on those books many, many years ago as I was tired of Zoey sleeping with every attractive man who talked to her, feeling badly about it, and then slut shaming herself - but, Aphrodite was easily the best character in an entire series of uncomfortable stereotypes and annoying duds, and if those talentless jerks killed her off, what little charm the books had has died with her.
As a goody-two shoes, the only thing I ever “stole” was one of these books. I borrowed it from my school library as a child, hated it enough to put it down (a feat at the time), and forgot about it until they sent me an invoice for it at 21.
They actually sent you an invoice for it? 😂😂😂
@@siennahartle9069 and they continue to every year when school lets out 😂 Normally I would be a Good Samaritan and return it, but I didn’t find it until I was unpacking after I moved. My mom has gotten emails for it a couple times too hahaha
@@katerinaharness I honestly don’t know what’s funnier, the fact that the school is desperate enough to get a book back that they contact you about it annually, or the fact that they want THIS book back at all 🤣
@@siennahartle9069 the funniest part to me is that they waited until i was 21 to invoice me rather than ask me to return it before i left the school when my year transferred to the highschool 😂 maybe they saw booktok and were rubbing their hands together like “damn… that’s valuable”
@@katerinaharness They're just trying to be considerate by not reminding you about the book until you're old enough to drink to forget about it (if you're in the US)
I am already thoroughly exhausted by Patch and I'm not even 10 minutes in
The treatment of Marcie reminds me of My Immortal when the author killed off the insert character of her friend and all the main characters were laughing about it
I have seen enough of your videos about YA angel paranormal romance to know that when you say it's THE WORST it's gotta be something truly special. I'm bracing myself for this.
When somebody says one of these is the worst and there are a reader of all of them, it really does speak. Crow really does deliver the angel paranormal romance genre that I always struggle to get into, let alone understand it all of these books exist. For me angel books were so cut-and-dry that they usually didn't have romance, to know that there is a sub-genre of romance ones boggles my mind.
I read a lot of LGBT romance books and I have a big list of good ones and a massive list of bad ones, but I think when I try to pick out the worst one it's always going to be something so offensively nobody will expect it. And it's always so weird anybody ever defends the worst thing that I've read.
in the USA you can be prescribed ibuprofen in 800s, my wife has an ibuprofen prescription, that is indeed a thing. I've also had a script for it but mine wasn't permanent like hers. It's actually a surprisingly common script.
It turns out! I definitely hadn't heard of it. All my medical issues started after moving to the UK for one
@@Crowcaller your body realized it didn’t have to hold itself together anymore now that you don’t have to pay US prices lol
Yeah, that holds for naproxen too, the pain medicine with the US brand name Aleve. I was able to get a prescription for naproxen tablets with more of the medicine in it than over-the-counter for managing period cramps, because I can take fewer of those pills in a day compared to the OTC tablets.
@@rebecca3647 I guess getting to swallow less pills is a minor convenience (though for some it could be very helpful I guess if they find it extremely hard to take pills or maybe if they have some issue with their stomach perhaps), but it’s not like it’s achieving any effect or health benefits you couldn’t achieve by taking the OTC medication at the same overall dose, so I think the real benefit in most cases is the fact that prescription medications can be covered by insurance and the copay is often way less than you’d pay for a bottle of over the counter medication.
@@Crowcaller yeah but you’re still oh so right that the author doesn’t know what they’re talking about when they write about someone waking up from a serious car accident in the hospital with the doctor saying “we gave you ibuprofen, and I’ll be sending you home with a prescription for it” and the character saying they feel groggy from the ibuprofen… it doesn’t matter how much ibuprofen you take, the only way it’s gonna be psychoactive is if it’s some weird side effect of overdosing and fucking your stomach/kidneys/liver up. And the reason it’s a prescription drug as well as an OTC isn’t because it’s like a serious heavy duty painkiller in higher doses, it’s so people that need it like everyday with a doctor’s approval can get it from the pharmacy and have insurance cover part of the cost.
Since the author is Mormon, I don't think she picked a Jewish month on random, because Mormon doctrine is suuuper weird about Jews (and literally everyone). According to their doctrine Native Americans are one of the lost tribes of Israel, which split into white and black people, because as a punishment for idolatry, god turned them black. And like there's just so much racism to unpack there. Firstly this claims they are Jews AND Native Americas, which erases both antisemitism and colonialism, and then "being black is a punishment from god"???? I've got the understanding that not all modern Mormons believe this, but the fact that she appropriates Judaism is I think very telling here...
I absolutely don't fault you for not knowing, but the Jew in me needs to mention that Cheshvan is pronounced [HESH-von].
Ch in Hebrew transliteration is pronounced as a phlegmy, back of the throat, "H."
I also absolutely agree with your assessment that the author probably saw that Cheshvan takes place kind of vaguely around October/November most years, and went "Ah, this must be the old, Biblical Spooky Month." because there is no Jewish holiday or significance to Cheshvan that I can even begin to think of.
I love how hard you're leaning into your niche. Here for these feature length videos
I really really really like angels
I'll be so sad if we ever run out of awesomely bad YA Angel novels!
@@Crowcaller Why do you drink in all thier pain and revel in it so then huh 😂
In all seriousness, thanks, I have never known that this US Supernatural brand of angel mythology was so popular, and it seems it was an integral part of the 2010th western culture. I guess, this angel obsession had trickled down to Russian media (tis my country) somewhat, but I know only about some bad movies and an extremely cringe cartoon, I will try to post about it in your Discord later.
i love bad books as much as anyone, but Hush, Hush crosses a line. Also, you were right, I hate writing that goddamn comma
It's just. The worst
Ah yes, another epic love story of the woman being worn down until she just gives up. The best way to start a relationship!
The first scene, the lip gloss scene, is making me cringe and feel physically ill. This bodes well!
It's amazing how Marcie is considered to be the bully when Nora and Vee say such horrible things to her.
The author had to scrap the *entire first draft for book 2*? like there was nothing salvageable AT ALL in a draft for a series whose first book has the lip gloss creep scene and eating disorder jokes? how bad must it have been??
like you, i’ve always been hugely into angels/people with wings (i blame maximum ride) so i read this when i was a kid and even then i was like, wtf is this
Yeah.... Max ride ..... Tbh that's a long ass series but one I really should consider doing. Just to fully unravel that chaos
@@Crowcaller *please* do maximum ride... The ending is so insane
@@Crowcaller YES omg i would go nuts for that. it was a hot mess.
Eyyy fellow into wings 🪽 thing 🤭 me too, right now it's more like butterfly one, cause of winx videos I've watched 👀
43:51 "He's a fallen angel and thus anything around him is good." Translation: "He's a demon and thus anything around him is... good?"
This is how paranormal romances work. Demon is obviously just naughty bad boy cause that's what demons are, naughty bad boy is hot, hot is good. Which lead us to final conclusion.
Every time I’m down on myself for my writing I’m going to remember this series had four books and was beloved by teens for a long time
Edit: also the one thing that punishing a one dimension character constantly - especially one a victim of sexism and slut shaming by the MCs - is that it makes me like them more. They deserved better writing, and I will gladly take them from an author if they don’t want to treat them well
i stared at that chart for a WHILE and it still only sorta makes sense, its really impressive that someone wrote this book and thought it made sense lol
Sooo, did you make sense of it. Cause in all honesty, I STARED at it and READ IT VERY, VERY SLOWLY and yet I am still confused 😅
Saw this book at a bookstore as a kid. I always thought it was about someone trying to get a person named “Hush” to stfu.
I was thinking that while watching this. Something like, what if the title was more literal and instead of "hush" it was "stfu"
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Accepting all pitches for the next sponsorship introduction idea!
When I was in high school, I was in a Krav Maga class with a lot of middle school girls, and became acquainted with some of them. We talked occasionally when we went to get our stuff. I have a distinct memory of standing, waiting for my mom to come pick me up since I didn’t have my license yet, as one of the girls _gushed_ to her friends abt Hush, Hush. Specifically abt Patch. And I remember thinking “Patch? PATCH? Man these YA books are running out of names.” Before asking her a bit abt it. And she told me the fallen Angel lore and I said “oh okay, cool” and let her go back to talking since it wasn’t my thing.
So, uh, learning all this horrifying lore after the fact has been- _interesting_ . I hope that girl turned out okay.
when u mentioned that Dante climbed through her window I genuinely thought you meant the old bible fanfiction author Dante and just accepted, that he was a canon character in the book.
Turns out his tour of hell was also job training
I was thinking Dante from dmc
I literally said 'bleh' out loud when you read the last sentence of the epilogue. thank you for withstanding these books for us crow
Always a good day when Crow drops a video, especially the long ones.
I have to wonder how bad the first draft of book 2 would have to be for people to say, “hey… maybe redo this? Like everything?” Because books like Pawn and the Puppet exist, so I have to wonder how bad it was ( I get that this book series and Pawn and the Puppet are different demographics, but it’s still a terrible book that shouldn’t have been published )
I was waiting for this. I also loved the YA from the 2010's but Hush, hush was SOO awful, and a lot of people would try to convince me that the books were great. I didn't finish all of them but one and a half was more then enough for me. So happy to come laugh at this with everyone 👌
I still can't grapple with this series having one redeemable feature. I wish I could sum it up better and more
I remember reading hush hush in middle school on recommendation from a friend who read it with a 102 degree fever and loved it. I remember being furious about the Elliot twist because he was nice and I really liked him and you've brought that irritation back full force.
Back again with another middle school classic, I remember reading the first 3 books and not bothering to hunt down the last one so time to finally learn how these books end.
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I read Hush Hush years ago and sorta liked it. It had some angst I was looking for as a young teen. I'm sure it wouldn't hold up on reread
ahhh the first one i reread again and again for nostalgia but the rest… oh lord i don’t even bother
I'd love a YA book where the angels in it appear to be Biblically accurate looking ones.
Would be really fun to see the protagonist react to it not having read the bible and therefore not believing this wierd scary looking entity they see is in fact an angel, perhaps even assumes its a demon or monster.. it would take time to develop trust and a positive dynamic.. perhaps the angel could be a messenger to earn the people of a big oncoming disaster and the protagonist after learning to trust this angel works with it to find a way to get the message across without the dangers of being seen as a threat, alien, a science experiment or being interrupted by every question that a Christian may have to ask.
It could be like a buddy cop story with some Satyre implemented where basically there's opportunities for everyone to have a gag. Like the protagonist could be a hardcore athiest for example. There could also be a lot of good messages to tell in the story too as well as points that could be debated on
The sequel to A Wrinkle In Time doesn’t quite do what you were thinking (which I love) but it *is* a YA book with biblically accurate angels!
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i hate it too xD
I remember reading this years ago back in high school. I still stand by the fact that Marcie deserves to be in a better series. She's the only character that has some complexity and humanizing moments. It would be cool to see her be the lead of a series, starting off as a bitchy cheerleader to slowly become a strong heroine and better person. But, nope. Instead she is the butt of extremely poor taste anorexia jokes and is killed off at the end, being mourned by no one. What a waste.
Just seeing the cover brings back the anger and annoyance I felt as a college student dealing with an influx of post-Twilight paranormal romance nonsense that somehow got more offensive than Twilight ever did.
not only is marcie unable to keep her weight up due to the whole dying thing, she's still triumphing over that to do a really difficult sport. Like cheerleading, from what I understand, is incredibly difficult and all those girls are very strong. She's straight up an inspirational character in a better book.
I had to read the first book for a test 'cause my all-girls catholic school wanted to be hip and cool when YA novels super popular. I can't remember anything about it other than my friend's wtf faces when they tried telling us it was okay 'cause it was religious and not sinful like twilight LOL
Twilight was Sinful in their eyes, OMG I'm dying laughing over here. I truly have heard it all at this point 😂😂😂
@@jacquelinelugo5518 lol "won't touch you until marriage" and "I'm blood vegetarian" guy is sinful apparently.
@@naolucillerandom5280 That's what has me cracking up over here 🤣. If only they knew how much Edward was clutching his pearls when Bella was asking him to have sex before marriage 😂😂
@@jacquelinelugo5518 Well, vampires don't like crosses and that would be anti-catholic, so a "handsy" angel was much better hahahahaha
@@jacquelinelugo5518 it makes it even better (or worse) that stephanie meyer is apparently mormon
Why does the idea of the cheerleading captain leading she has angel cancer and her absent dad is is manipulating her entire town sound way cooler than ‘plain girl in vaguely abusive relationship with asshole’
As someone who was not like the other girls in high school (I'm a boy, plot twist) and reading House of Night instead of Twilight, I got to say both books messed me up in different ways. But hearing this one I am so concerned that anybody could ever like it, like it's weird to like Twilight but I can accept that and move on because for one thing you put so much time into reading it. House of Night had some really good ideas and Native American representation but then threw it all in the trash to go magic girl AU.
Hush-Hush sounds like an amalgamation of all of my least favorite things in all of the books that I've read over the last twenty-plus years, all congealed into this meat Jell-O of nastiness that I do not want to touch nor consume.
you are serving looks while roasting a book Ive never heard about and I love it
Unironically used to love this series when I was in high school, but I don’t remember ANY of it. Yet if you asked 15 year old me who my favorite author was, I would’ve said Becca Fitzpatrick.
Yup 😅
I think I already commented about Hush Hush on another one of your videos but God, am I excited for this one. The first was my favourite YA fantasy/paranormal romance book when I was a teen but I also disliked all three of the others (the 2nd&3rd because they're boring and the 4th one... well...). I so enjoyed the mystery aspect of the first one that I made both my mum and my best friend read it.
ETA: I only read Finale because years after finishing Silence, one of my classmates revealed she liked the series and told me, after I had explained my hatred for the middle two books, the fourth one was better. It's true it isn't as uneventful as Crescendo and Silence but nothing in it makes sense.
I read these books during my accidental Angel Romance YA phase but I couldn't tell you a single thing that happened in the books. I remember them taking a loooooong time for me to get through and I kept having to put them down and come back to them. I can't believe I forgot all of this ridiculousness - thanks for putting yourself through having to recap that mess.
Can we also say that Vee is sadly every wattpad 2014 y/n's loud annoying best friend who's only purpose (if any) is a plot device
Oh I'm ready for this.
A friend recommended this to me in middle school and I'm sure I didn't even make it halfway through the first book. I read it without paying much attention, all I remember is a lot of harassment and assault, I hated the guy, I hated the friend (I think she was kidnapped at one point and I didn't care), a psychologist appeared and then I left it because I just didn't care.
"you should slit your wrist over the birthmark horizontally" i know that this is gonna end up being some convoluted plot thing that comes back later, but it'd be really funny if bonto just passive aggressively told nora to kill herself before dipping back into heaven
A lot of YA books of the time tried to pull a bit of a "Well they're not TOTALLY bad" thing with their mean girls, but I've yet to read one that was this... cruel about it? Like, holy shit, that scene you read out loud where they discuss Marcy's death is *horrible*. What awful characters!
I can't pinpoint it but I feel a hint of ableism in Marcie's character. At least there is the villian becomes disabled because karma which is a fun little trope. /s
In mild defense of the Ibuprofen thing, there is prescription strength. I was put on it after my hysterectomy
I'm learning! I just only know it as a mild cramp pill
@@Crowcaller I only learned about it when I was put on it. Was very confused when the doctor first told me
Oh yeah the chonky bois, apparently when I had a breast reduction done the doctors were a bit apprehensive about giving me anything stronger than the chonky boi because technically it was a cosmetic surgery
Once I was back in reality enough to realize just how much pain I was in I was so mad
I took psychic damage at the unexpected Jim Sterling reference, thank you
Thank you thank you thank you
You’re a queen for this crow this is EXACTLY WHAT I NEEDED TODAY
I am glad to be of aid
I know you said it was going to really bad and yet it still took me by surprise how bad it was and I am generally grateful for your sacrifice
I HATE HATE HATE is that the name "Patch" *purely* associates with Trusty Patches, middle-aged bold scoundrel, with me, it makes this so much worse. Though Patches is not even nearly as disgusting and creepy as Patch :/
Great video as always Crow!
Hi, loving the video, and I'm sure other people will point this out too, but I wanted to say that Cheshvan is pronounced with a hard 'h', not a 'ch'! Think Chanukkah or Loch. Thanks :)
I knowweewwwwwww I'm so ashamed. I knew I needed to look it up but forgot. This really ruins my cred as someone who is in fact Jewish but by circumstances wasn't raised properly as such
@@Crowcaller all good man, it happens to the best of us and it's unreasonably difficult to get a proper Jewish education in many parts of the world (thanks, assimilation!). I'm no expert either but I try to help when I can
The terror I felt clicking on this and hearing my Internet name as the love interest's name cannot be described
Oh, I remember reading Hush, Hush when I was a teenager. I ended up in a fandom space for the book, and I remember being weirded out that a lot of the girls and women in that space were weirdly... obsessed? With the model from the cover art.
“A council of black robe wearing hooded figures” oh my god… it’s been kingdom hearts all along
I remember reading the first one of these and it was a chore to even get through that. Slogging through the whole series? Woof. You're a stronger person than me lol.
It's not really the same, as they aren't actually angels, but I'd be interested in you covering the Maximum Ride series sometime. I was pretty into those back in middle and early high school, and ohhhh boy did the series launch itself off the rails.
Yeah I know max ride well. It's insane. I loved it as a kid but even I grew very disillusioned.
I just kinda lost the plot after the 6th book.
The first 3? Completely understandable. The next 3 get weird, but it's still following a comprehensible series of events.
No idea what happens after that. It's just confusing
@@the_last_ballad I read up to the eighth book and hated it. Because they spent the last few books fighting against people who were trying to wipe out humanity and replace them with mutants or whatever, and then in the last 30 pages or so an asteroid randomly hits the Earth and then Max is like "We're evolutionary superior than the people who made us so that's why we're alive" and that's supposed to be the thematic conclusion
I UNDRESS TO IMPRESS???? That is how this all ends???? That is literally one of the wildest things to me in this whole video of wild things
Just finished! There is such a missed opportunity in these books, and it's making me wonder if I should dust off my old YA story from that era. Playing with the fact the male love interest is a stalker and he ends up becoming the bad guy and the book ended with the MC taking him out. It also had some really fun vampire lore I've been wanting to rewrite...
I curse you (not really, you're amazing), but you make me want to write too many things.
i love how hush, hush makes twilight looks like a well written book
my friends always said that all these post- twilight supernatural romance books were better than twilight and I said it wasn't true... And it wasn't.
You should try some korean novels sometime, there's somo Nora dumb FLs there, I have some recommendations (both good and bad)
if you want THE BAD: The Abandoned Empress has a ML worst than Patch...
if you want one I actually like: Villainess Are Destined to Die is pretty solid, not entirely solid, but quite good
I just wanted to clarify: there IS in fact a prescription Ibuprofren. It’s a way stronger dose of the medication than what’s allowed to be on the shelves. But I think it wouldn’t necessarily be given for a car crash, since when I was prescribed it, it was for back pain and I asked for something that wouldn’t make me sleepy during work
That Lore Chart filled me with absolute dread & anxiety despite never having nor planning to read this book series. Honestly, this book series is an excellent touchstone as to why it’s extremely important & critical to not just craft & define the bones of your magic system & basic lore before or early in your writing process even if you only plan on writing a singular book in said world; but also to FIRMLY stick to those foundations for the whole story or series. It’s not completely taboo to modify the system as you write but writers should make the effort to ensure it doesn’t fundamentally break everything set up simply for the sake of inserting some revelation or twist or new characters. A firm magic & lore ruleset is excellent for breeding creativity similar to how so many innovations in filmmaking both technically and narratively resulted from working within & around limitations. In travesties like this book series however the author deliberately chooses to abandon & fracture their own setup for sake of getting certain plot results which end up totally worthless and un-compelling anyway & will only frustrate readers earnestly trying to meet the author’s story halfway & the allowance of their suspension of disbelief which is hard to re-establish when the author so blatantly obliterates it.
i read hush (comma) hush when i was about 15 I think? i cant remember if I finished it or not, but I remember thinking it was badly written (and I was prepared to ignore a LOT of bs in my paranormal romance at the time).
my first "oh no" was on the /first page/. like no offense to people with this name, but Nora is not a particularly sexy name for your leading lady. there were two noras in my grandmother's nursing home. i kept picturing an old lady. also "patch" for the love interest? like the puppy from 101 dalmations?
the point where I really gave up (mentally, i kept reading g-d knows why) was when, inorder to make the reader think of Patch as this dangerous, bad boy, it's revealed that he plays pool at the local bar, and rides a motorbike.
my grey-haired, middle-aged dad does both of those things.
i don't know why I kept reading after this; once you stop finding the love interest sexy, it becomes immediately obvious how 1-dimensional and boring the characters are, and the terrible writing leaps out and backhands you across the face
We love angel books getting roasted. Mad respects towards another female character who yet dies with an unfulfilled life because of the main character
NOT THAT CRINGY CLOSING LINE. WHO ALLOWED THIS. 😭
"You don't get it Nora. I AM DEVILCRAFT."
I'm maybe 1.5 minutes into the summary of book one but the funniest thing about these types of books is the names. you mean to tell me this immortal angel being is named Patch? no joke? it's not even short for uuuh patchrelius or whatever?
Look, I'm a raging Good Omens fan girl. I'm a ride-or-die Crowley stan. Demons can be best bois and love interests, and I'm delighted by that. But this is not the sort of genre that does fun things with angels and demons like Good Omens does. So the fact that the love interest is a literal demon seems like it's very THERE but does not get addressed...
I paused to try to understand the flowchart. After a few moments of looking at it, I then proceeded to continue watching the video and gave up on understanding any of the lore or plot. I'm probably better off for it.
It's an absolute nightmare. I really think my chart was as streamlined as it could get
That Belinda Blinked reference killed me ☠️
I'm really happy a few people caught it