A Fun Way To Find Your Favourite Focal Length
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Today I am demonstrating an experiment where I collect data on all the focal length I shoot in a day to determine which one I favour the most. The results are super interesting and surprising. Hope you guys give this a go too and share the results with me on Instagram.
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I love the holding your breath thing. It's like you're a sniper. "Expanding on breath control techniques during target acquisition Lumen's deadly precision shows no wheelie bin is safe".
This is hands down the best most funniest comment I’ve ever received on the channel Edward haha 😆 LOVE IT! Lux and I are having a good laugh - thank you 🙏🏻
Have youre imaginary commanding officer scream ‘take the shot’ for maximum immersion
Hold your breath on the exhale. It reduces pulse interference.
I do that a lot too.
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Hey Lucy. Have you considered that your favourite focal length creates lots of visual tension vs creating images that are relaxing and have space to breath
There are two focal length for full frame that I NEVER use, 28mm and 50mm, ANY other focal length works better for me. So the focal lengths I use are 14mm, 21mm, 24mm, 35mm (two), 55mm, 65mm, 85mm, 110mm and 135mm (also 500mm), most of the time I use two Cameras, one Camera with a wide angle Lens and an other Camera with a short tele Lens, often with an extra Lens in the bag, it varies a lot which Lenses I bring, it depends on why, where and when. 45 years of experience.
Yep you are Nikkor 85/1.4 kind of girl or Summilux 75/1.4! Or can even do with 50mm!?!?! I think Human brain work way smarter than we think. Yo already know you have that zoom and subconsciously choosing those particular length? OR why not just use ZOOM lenses!?!? Or do the challenge with one lens only! Also Great musik as always! Thanks interesting!
Good idea, but it doesn't work for me. I like super wide angle, like 16mm for architecture and landscape, 35mm and 100mm for people (at f1.4) and at least 300mm for wildlife and all this small and light. So, full frame is totally out of question. ...and there is no good zoom lens from 16 to 300mm. I decided for MFT. A smaller sensor and excellent lenses.
I often stop breathing when I look through the viewfinder. And I do not realize it until after I press the shutter button or look away. As long as I do not pass out I should be good. I hope.
Nice. Not sure zoom lens helps people who frame with their feet tho. By the way, don't try to hold your breath as that may induce hand shake. Gun shooters slowly exhale as they squeeze the trigger. We can do the same with photography but using the bfb. 28-40 mm suits reportage style (event photog) ime. Lens if you don't already have that fl ;)
The flaw in this approach, unless you are careful is framing with the zoom instead of framing with movement. The same subject can take the same area of the frame but what is surrounding it will be radically different. F-Stop then makes a big difference. To many variables to allow the “preferred focal length” to be determined
You’d need to move and zoom to compose, and restrict or measure f-stop effects by shooting multiples
Zooms just make me lazy and less creative and pretty much gave them all up. Except for a pro 12-40 2.8 Olympus lens my wife bought for me in 2013. Just can’t ever sell that one.
I've taken a photo of that exact doorway and orange bar behind you at 8:21 lol.
It's a good experiment, last year I had a thought that I'd like a 35mm prime but the widest prime I had was 50mm and I found I wanted a larger FOV so one day I took the 24-70mm out and used it at 35mm for the whole day and absolutely loved it, bought a 35mm shortly after and it's still basically my fav focal length, it may be overtaken by the 28mm focal length soon so who knows
Ohhhhh that’s awesome! If you are local to the area you should come along to a photo walk I’m hosting in Southport as part of the Gold Coast Open House festival!
Good stuff Lucy. I've just came to Brisbane for the first time and am loving the city, very photogenic. Thought of checking out if you'd have anything on display in the area at the moment but we got busy. Hope to come back soon!
Hello 👋🏻 nice to hear from you I have literally just come back from the opening night of an exhibition I’m a part of so that’s funny timing! It’s on till February next year at HOTA on the Gold Coast if you happen to come back. Thanks for watching!
love your videos and also want to shout out Lux's camerawork always on point
Oh thank you 🙏🏻 I’m so lucky to have him!
I did that on a Eurocruise a while back with my Leica C-Lux, 24-360mm ffeq. Very surprised to find the mode at 24mm, given that for decades I had been longing for reach, carrying 70-210, then 29-216, then 16-120 & 105-450 ffeq. Architecture and narrow streets on the cruise, apparently/
To me is more about framing and composition.
I'm a long lens shooter, but I make a lot of street and it's hard to be creative over 50mm. Doing a reflection with an 85 is so hard, but I love the compression. 😂😂😂
Zooms help me to get the compression I need moving my feet to get the best composition.
I did this very thing last spring with a 24-70.
I never liked 35mm primes and thought I needed to shoot 50 because that's what people said I should do.
I discovered there were two focal lengths I liked most.
28mm and 75mm.
Simplified life so much.
I mean ... I'm dumb!
Watching this I thought I should do the same zoom test (to figure out my most commonly chosen focal lengths), then I realized I can just go thru past photo folders (going back to 2008), and voilla! I learned something I should have been paying attention to all along!
I'm 80% 18mm-80mm, 10% 80mm-120mm, and 10% 120mm-200mm. (plus or minus)
This tells me I need the best (fastest!) 18-200mm zoom I can get.
I wish I had thought about all of this before I ended up with a trunkful of lenses.
Mostly I only needed ONE!
(But If I HAD to pick just ONE prime, it looks like I am in love with 18mm!)
Great Vid, thanks for the insight.
"Holding your breath"
Try this: yes, we inhale prior to taking the shot, but if you hold your breath, it creates tension, and the pulse is harder....
... so it is best to exhale, slowly, naturally, to eliminate stress. I learnt this at the age of 14 to 15 on a rifle range (RAAF) .. target shooting, with real heavy-duty military weapons, hand-held.
Now 75, I still use the breathing method, shooting film in all formats. Film speeds from 25 ASA to 400.
Exhale .. nice'n easy. 👌
Another awesome photo walk, Lucy! I like that you stop and talk about things like your composition and subjects. It's nice to know that I can shoot trash cans and brick walls and know that it's worthwhile.
The long lens on the video camera gave a feeling of intensity. It's like we were in a spy thriller. You're so much fun to watch, more please!
(From: Cincinnati, Ohio - USA)
This photo Lucy at 3:02 is by far the trashiest photo you've probably taken. 😉🤣
When I started, zooms weren't really a thing. No such thing as a cheap kit lens.
If a camera came with a lens, it was a 50mm. I was told countless times "zoom
with your feet", for pictorials, I like 35mm, portraits about 105.
The music in this video is really awesome too.
Great idea-
My bridge camera like the Leica V-Lux has seen me through Tanzania twice
I just discovered your channel. It was fun to watch you work. I'm not entirely sure the zoom lens test actually equates to what your favorite prime lens would or should be. Too many variables to account for. Also, I think you use the two types of lenses in very different ways. When you know you have a wider choice of focal lengths easily available to you, that changes how you approach taking that image. As opposed to only having one focal length available. So I don't think this actually works out to tell you much.
When I put a lens on a camera I immediately know what I can do with that lens because I've shot with it before. Unless its a brand new lens to me I know what I have to do to make that lens work for my style. I'm a Canon shooter going way back to my first FD mount bodies back in the mid 80's. Currently I shoot on a R7 using all sorts of different lenses. And most recently I've rediscovered Canon FD lenses. The SSC lenses are my new favorites! Mirrorless is so cool in that way. I also own all sorts of other brands lenses and have adapted them to work on my camera. One of my all time favorites is the Konica Hexanon AR 40mm f1.8. What an amazing lens!
Anyhow, let's say I put my Canon EF 70-200L on my R7, I immediately know what I'm looking for to shoot and can shoot. I know that if I want to shoot wider I need to zoom out and usually step back some.
I guess what I'm saying is that after a while, you get to know what you're looking for and the lens you have chosen to mount is going to tell you what you can shoot.
I'm not gonna try to shoot birds with a 50mm lens, unless something very odd happens, but you can't count on that.
It's just something you end up learning after repetition and usage.
Hi Lucy, thanks for the interesting video! I also almost only shoot with primes nowadays, and I'm happy. However, I would really not compare zooming with one's feet to zooming on the lens. Zooming on the lens changes the viewing angle by changing the focal distance; while zooming with the feet doesn't, it instead forces one to attain a different perspective - and so makes one think a bit more before moving. While modern zoom lenses have gotten optically very good, even compared to primes; having primes is probably the superior tool from a photography skills development point of view. In my case, I go primes pretty much every time, because my Zeiss Milvus glass simply outperforms any of the zooms I have ever had or tried - not only by sharpness, but essentially everything else save for versatility and weight.
I started with a zoom lens on my first proper digital camera. I only used the tele end at 200mm (on APS-C) and 24/35 on the wide end. I hated that zoom lens with a passion though and it made me avoid zooms for the longest time until I bought some secondhand Canon EF 2.8 L series zoom lenses for my Canon EOS 1N. Rather predictably the primes I got were 35mm and 50mm equivalent lenses for my MF cameras and long telephoto lenses.
I have seen others do this analysis, and I have a comment about your categories. The premise was to determine prime choice from among 28, 35, 50, and 85. If you use a zoom, you provide intermediate choices that creates a different shooting environment to the prime-only original premise. While I don't see your conclusion changing, the secondary aspects might see a change if you changed the groupings. To evaluate the frequency of using each distinct focal length in question, use a narrow silo of +/- 10% around each: 25-31 for the 28, 32-38 for the 35, 45-55 for the 50, and 77-85 for the 85 (you pretty much got the last two). Designate the areas between these silos as "zoom advantage" where shooting with a prime would have been difficult, assuming you had complete freedom to move and compose to achieve your vision in the moment. (Shots AT 24 should not count for a 28 preference!). Carrying any/all of the primes you would have not gotten the same shot. If you allow for cropping to achieve your vision rather than getting it exact in the viewfinder, you would bias to wider focal length primes. The converse of this experiment would be to take the four primes, switch as necessary, tally your usage and evaluate your ease of achieving your vision and satisfaction with the results before cropping in post as a means of creating those "silos".
Loved the post all the way around!
Why does it matter?
I can go walkies with any of my (too many) cameras and any lens that fits it and be happy with the results, and not regret those photos I mist out on.
For years I only had three lenses for my D700, 16-35, 24-70, and 70-200…
Most of the time the 24-70 stayed on the camera due to its versatility.
yes, Lucy good to find the best lens, but having that change is always a good thing, I shoot MF hasselblads H1 & 500c\m (HC35/80/120/180/HC 300) and digital, but for LF my sinar F2 only has wides, a Fujinon f5.6 SWD 65mm and 90 mm lens, which with a 120 back [6x4.5-6x12] gives a lot of options, and an exploration into something new.
I sold my Leica CL and 4 lenses and my Fuji X100V and bought a Leica Q2 with the fixed 28mm lens. I love it. It has a 75/50/35 crop.
Breathe in - breathe out - the moment you've emptied your lungs, your body is at it's equilibrium - KLIK!
Using a zoom lens makes you lazy?
When I go out for a walk I tend to bring a prime and a zoom. I just came back from a week of street photography in NYC using a M43 camera. I used the PL15 and kit 12-60 lenses.
I used the zoom lens because of the various focal lengths at my disposal. Many of the shots I took could not have been done with the 15/1.7 lens. The prime may be sharper. It definitely is faster. There are times when I need the additional reach of another lens. I could have brought the 42.5/1.7 lens. Using a 2nd prime is the same as using a zoom.
When on the street zooming with my feet is frequently inadequate to capture the image I am trying to capture. There is a place in my bag for a zoom lens.
You have a collection of cameras. Try a new lens. As you know, a new body isn’t as exciting as a new lens is. You know what the right answer is for you.
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It would be fun to see you experiment with something very wide, like 21mm or 24mm!😄
Hi very interesting,i like the photos, if you are using Lightroom or most other editing software you can view your library by camera or focal length or f-stop .... you can see your go lens or favourite.... in the library tab ....❤
Have Nikon coolpix p510. Massive 42x zoom 24-1000. I like to fill the camera frame so zoom a bit great photos under $300 after strap and tripod just over
good tips, but one suggestion, as you had a Nikon, go for the 24-120 as its a large zoom range, so you can pick your poison, and see which side you go for most, wide/middle/long, and have a zoom covering this, and a prime (2.8/4) for the others, aka one wide [35] and one long[105/200] depending on preference; one tip, pick a series of lens which have the same filter size as the other ones you are going for, to save multiple gear replications, one kit for all lenses, or if not all, then you most used pair.
Very interesting experiment. You can also do the opposite by sticking to different primes and see what you get and how you feel. Anyway, the focal length you choose tells something about what you want to shoot and the look your prefer.
Very nice presentation. I did something similar after shooting a job and wanted to know what lens I used most for the next. I am curious as to what software you used to determine the focal lengths used. I had to use Adobe Bridge since I had no previous gauge as to how to go about this. I also find it interesting that you shot most, if not all, the photos in this video in the vertical format. Is that how you shoot most of your work? I enjoyed this video, thank you.
If you have LightRoom you can actually look up the EXIF info of your focal lengths or even what lens you uses the most. Obviously just for digital shots though. Nice video Lucy.
I've been taking two cameras with me because I rarely get to go out these days, and I want to get the most out of my time. I load one with color and the other in black and white. Ive been using primes on one and a zoom on the other. It's been fascinating to notice the differences. I typically shoot 50mm or 35mm primes and I'm usually around 70mm on the zoom. I also hold my breath when taking a picture. You're not alone!
I used to use zooms all the time and I still prefer them for landscapes for precise framing and travel. But for recreational shooting I am always using primes. I ask myself before shooting am I shooting a thing in which case I default to a 50mm or 85mm or am I shooting a scene in which case it is 28mm or 35mm.
I sold almost all my zoom lenses
The survivor is an ultrawide 17-35 😅
Lucy you should try this maybe your favorite mm lens go wider
I prefer to use a zoom lens like a prime. I decide how I want to shoot the photo, say 50mm and set my lens to that then compose and move myself from there. I'll know how much background blur I want and what I want in the scene. I dont like to stand still and just zoom in or out unless there's a reason I cant move closer or further.
I am still not comfortable using zoom. Composition feels challenging as it is without the exponentially more choices a zoom provides. Maybe after some more experience i will have a clearer mind using a zoom. With the primes i accept the limitations and mind looks for those kind of compositions suiting the focal length.
Thank you Lucy, you have inspired me to use my zoom lens ✌🏼❤️🙏🏼📷
07:26 just loving your facial expression. Greetings from Surrey 🇬🇧
I find myself either on the long end or the short end of whatever zoom I use 😅 my 2 favs are the 16mm f2.8 and the 200-800mm f6.3-9 (at 800mm)
I'm ignoring the whole point of the video and only taking away that I should get an old Nikon and just shoot digital
One thing I frequently tell beginners is to use a zoom lens (which they probably already have) but pay special attention to what focal length they tend to use more. Or spend a day with one focal length, another day with a different one. This as a response to what they usually ask me, "what lens should I get?"
me again. I forgot to suggest breathing out before firing the shutter, this should be a bit easier.
I just checked. I have 10 zoom lenses. Seven cameras have zooms mounted all the time. Nine cameras always wear prime lenses. I drift between the different cameras but mostly shoot with the zooms. What I find I need to do mostly is.... get out and shoot more film! As far as your breathing, rifle and pistol shooters do breathing control. Take it in, let it out to a natural stop and hold. Three to five seconds to get your shot off . It does work well.
Love this idea! Very informative!
Wow a D700 for experimenting digitaly photography in 2024. Yeah, this is the Nikon camera I picked to keep for my AF-D lenses, since Nikon is not willing to make any motorized adapter for Z system. To me AF-D lenses were the pinnacle of Nikon camera gear: distance scale and aperture ring on the lens.
The D lenses are great just wish the focusing had a bit better feel to it
*NO! Not a..... (gasp) ZOOM LENS!*
lol
Don’ t hold your breath, but breathe out!
Hold the camera against your jawbone while you peep through the viewfinder. Your left hand should support the lens, your right hand holds the grip. Press your elbows to your chest, check your composition and settings and breathe out before you press the shutter button.
For a steady body position put your feet a little apart. Leaning against a wall, tree or doorpost will improve the steadiness even more.
My camera has an image stabilization that makes it possible to shoot handheld five seconds or more, which makes all the above redundant, but I still breathe out as part of my routine.
Sorry, I meant cheekbone of course, not jawbone. (Although with your preference for verticals you might give it a try).
I mean that humbly, so many photos in this shoot are similar to pictures I've taken, elsewhere. I should do a comparison somehow. It's nice to see someone with the same framing sensitivity. I keep up with a few photographers here and never felt that.
Sorry this isn't really interesting to anyone...
Though I think I prefer 100-120mm on cropped
A woman's dilemma... what size is right... bigger lens could be restrictive and you could miss out on really good shots.
Lens = a man.
If a man were to do this video it would be lens price vs lens quality.
Lens = a woman.
Interesting video all the same.
Zoom lens = a grower, not a shower lol.
Loved this, Lucy!
Thanks for the information ❤
What this video has taught me is that 80mm is the GOAT. I’m sure it’s not just that I’m used to 50mm on a 1.6x crop camera.
Had a 90 a 24 and 2x glass low budget way to go shot 25+ years camera meter died. Now Nikon coolpix p510 under $300 24-1000 rated lens. Say more 35-800 in real use. Still great low light needs flash near
50mm and 42.5 mm here.
Fun way idd Lucy :)
Interesting - me, 1968-1976 Kodak Inst 50, 1976-82 Konica 28&57mm, 1982-1989 Pentax 28&50mm, 1989-1992 Ricoh 35&50mm, 1992-2004 Minolta 35@50mm and finally the digital era comes with the luxury of a 24-70mm Canon Zoom! I accidentally found myself hanging around 40mm and 65mm and that has remained ever since. I breath out completely before hitting shutter, I think that originates from boxing, squash and now a geriatric effort at kick boxing.
I recently bought a 24-70 zoom for my own Nikon D700. I found that I preferred the two ends of the zoom range - 24 or 70mm. Incidentally a really fun lens for the D700 is the Nikon series e 100mm f/2.8 which is compact light and inexpensive.
I find myself shooting with a 50 1.8 on my D5600. Pretty good, in my opinion. I kind of have a 35, but it's currently in pieces as I'm attempting to fix the af motor in it. Hopefully I don't completely destroy it because that would be a bummer.
I find I am most inclined to use my Mamiya K/L 65mm f/4.0 Wide Angle on my Mamiya RB67 Pro SD
I find myself reaching for my 100mm more times than not. It depends on where I am of course, usually open spaces, parks, etc. Inner city, it's usually 35mm. My go-to digital zoom is the Tamron 35-150.
Great video I’m going to have to try out this experiment. That was my favourite combination to shoot when I shot weddings the 24 to 85 ED lens with the D 700. That lens is not quite as good wide as it is at the long end but the 85 end is is very sharp. it’s really good for close-ups as well. I’ve now gone mirrorless , but I still break up my D700 every so often and I’ll always keep it as a back up camera because it’s a very good camera and with the FTZ adapter. I can use all my lenses on my Z5 and my Zfc so nothing goes to waste when you shoot Nikon. Everyone’s style of photography is different. I tend to shoot with a 35 and 85 but lately I’ve been gravitating towards 50 and just use your legs as a zoom. That’s what I did in the film days when I didn’t have zooms.thanks for sharing these insights.Regards Gerry
For walk around I often use a zoom, but I will set it at one focal length and use it like a prime. The zoom I use is the XF18-55 which is similar to your 24-85 FF, although not quite as wide. It's especially useful while hiking so lens changes aren't needed. I've often wanted to do your exercise for seeing my most used focal length though. Have to remember to give it a try!! Another way to do this is to take the same shot a maybe three different focal lengths and see which you prefer. I often find that my eye likes 35mm(FF) because it's how I actually see a scene with my eyes. It seems to give a scene more breathing room if that makes sense. Thanks for the fun video.
I really like my Olympus 12-40mm f2.8 its a jack of all trades. I've done street photography with a basic kit lens at 14mm for M43 that's 28mm on full frame and I like 14mm. I do have the Fuji 27mm f2.8 and on full frame that's a 40.5mm and I also liked that as well.
When I use a zoom I think of it in two ways one as a zoom because sometimes you just need to get there and you can't always do that with your feet. Also I like to think of it as a bunch of primes.
Once you know the look of different lens then you have a better idea how to use a zoom.
Having recently (I know I'm late) the work of Saul Leiter has led me to re-evaluate the use of telephoto lenses, a lot of his work used them exclusively and he created some incredible abstract street photography.
Wedding photographer Joe Buissink breaths out slowly when taking photos and using a slow shutter speed. He said if he takes three images one will be smart. I think I heard this from another photographer on BH TH-cam channel some guy that shoots weddings with a fisheye.
My photo walk lens is the 16- 50 mm 2.8 when I use a zoom .my prime lenses are either a 28mm 2.8 or a 35mm 2.4 I have used both lenses with good results
I always recommend this to new photogs asking what the next lens should be. if they had an ultra-zoom like 24-200 (FX) or 18-200 (DX), look at the focal lengths they use most often. Taking into consideration the laziness factor, I try to take the widest and tightest lengths and ignore most of them and try to see where they land more in the middle of those. It is not 100% like you saw, but it gives them a good idea whether a prime of faster zoom.
Great video, as usual!
WHen I take a photograph I will take a breath in then exhale slowly tucking my elbows in, this makes my upper body still and gives a good base for my hands.
When I used primes at a wedding it was more work moving with your feet. With a zoom I can zoom over really fast and get a photo even if its with a shorter zoom like you have 85mm and then something else happening to the side and you are back at 28mm.
I thought about Jay Maisel after watching this video. Really good stuff Lucy
That was a really cool experiment. I enjoyed your presentation. 😊
This stylish analog lady definitely need vertical grip!
Take more pictures and have fun.
Wow, I really like the music in this one
Longer focal lengths are flattering and are generally better for portraits
The 600/4.0 is my favorite lens followed by the 400/2.8. If I had a 500 or 800, I might love them too.
Those are some big lenses Bngr
This is a great idea. I did this years ago when I started as a travel photog and wanted to see if I really needed to be carrying the whole holy trinity. I was really shocked by the results. Everyone should try this.
What did you disvovered? Wischin focal length did you choose? Or finally Did you keep using the zoom?
@@fernieto84 Was going to replace the mid-range zoom with primes. Had planned on 24/50/85 but shifted after a review showed I shot mostly at 35mm. I think a lot of people would be surprised by the focal range of their keepers. You can make focal length one of the info columns on your File Explorer page, which makes checking them a breeze.
Think in the photography influencer world in general there is too much focus on "focal length" and too little on "angle of view". It would be so much easier for people to switch between formats if they understood what angle of view they like. Cause all of that comparing "equivalents" just makes younger people understand even less about how photography actually works on the math/physics side. I like a +/- 45 degree diagonal angle, it allows me to keep close to my subject when I'm shooting portraits on FF/medium format/large format.
I've been challenging myself to shoot wider and then crop to a 19:10 aspect ratio to get a unique look. Loving the results I'm getting from my 20mm - which I rarely used before. Maybe challenge yourself to something similar.
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