I've had really good experience with the MK4 AR9 conversion mags, and I love how easily they hand load. MK4 all the way for me! Keep rocking the innovation CMMG, Boonies represent! 💪
I hope in the next generation of RDB guns there is a way to include a fixed ejector AND retain a standard bolt length for tuning the action. I have a mk9 rdb and Glock fed mkgs 9mm. Both are great suppressor host and range guns. My main complaint is the short ejector life, I have to change mine out every 500 to 1000 rounds, regardless of the bolt weights, suppressor, or buffer/spring. I’m not the only one with this issue either. It’s pretty documented on some forums, Reddit, and Facebook groups. It’s sounds like cmmg is aware of the issue, I just hope they can find a way to incorporate it. I’d happily get new complete uppers if they had it.
You guys make such cool stuff. This seems like an all around excellent successor to the Banshee. Whenever I'm not a broke grad student you bet I'm gonna be in the market for one.
Glad to see the 10.5” barrels offered for the Dissent. With time, I hope the other lengths (specially the 8”) available for the Banshee will make their way to the new platform.
@@ericbergfield6451 A 9mm Dissent upper SHOULD work with the Banshee lower (or any mil-spec lower), but I would email CMMG first. You’ll probably need to install the Dissent end plate adapter on your lower since the uppers aren’t the same height and you’ll end up with a gap into the action if you don’t. I don’t avise, but the gun would probably work without the proper end plate, but you would carry the redundant weight of a buffer system and would be unable to install a folding stock / brace. I would personally buy a full Dissent in 9mm even if I already had a banshee but, if you have a lower already registered as a SBR, I understand how it would be interesting to just buy a Dissent upper like you said.
The Stern MAG-AD is designed for a different bolt (straight blowback), which is more commonly used by AR9 manufacturers. Unfortunately most other options won't work without modification. Easiest just to use our conversion mags if you're running a mil-spec lower.
CMMG, nice firearms! I am looking into which firearm I want, but I am also glad you all are fighting against the Anti-2A war against you (CMMG) and all Patriotic Pro-2A/Constitutionalist Americans! I am a patrean of Guns and Gadgets and he, Johnny b, Legally Armed America+ all speak or show how great CMMG is as a company. I have CMMG parts, need to get one of your full firearms!
I was skeptical about my choice of getting the mk4 banshee with the conversion 9mm mags. I wasn't sure if it would function well. But the gun has been a reliable tack driver and extremely easy to be accurate. Also the fact that I could get a 5.56 complete upper and a .22lr conversion bolt to swap on the gun and basically shoot 3 different calibers with the same lower and ar mags.
@@CMMG is there any discount code above 10%..I tried every 20% code available on the internet all where expired..I would like to purchase the Dissent asap 🙏
I'd love to have one of these someday. I wish that the geometry allowed the the Glock magazines to go through the grip and extend the barrel length without extending the overall length of the gun.
Amazing gun. The only thing, that even when discounted, it's exactly where Sig MPX is. Without arguing which one is superior (both are great), I afraid that majority of the people, especially when buying for home defense, will go with Sig's brand name. It Dissent would cost 1200, it would completely destroy Sig MPX, and would take the Ar-9 market (and beyond) by the storm
Make a dissent, and possibly a FM, lower specific bullpup lower that has an mlok attachment up front for the bottom of the handguard and instead of a pic rail out back, it uses a magpul pattern buttpad. Add a thin pic mounted cowl for the receiver top that smoothes it out and I'm down for atleast 1 lol. In all seriousness though cmmg is on the way to making a bullpup people would actually want. Nice stuff, keep it up. Mirrored ambi is the way.
I just ordered a Dissent pistol from a local gun store here in Arizona. The one I ordered is chambered in 5.7x28, and I was wondering if a Banshee upper chambered in 4.6x30 can be used with that Dissent lower?
I can't wait to see the Mk. 47 models. Until then I'll be waiting to test out the Banshees, Resolute and Endeavors when my homestead plans are done and ready to be built.
Question about this platform. So, is it possible to get a Dissent upper and put it on a standard AR lower with, say, a conversion block for glock mags? Or is there some requirement to keep that from being possible?
@@CMMG So, I guess what I'm trying to figure out is would it be possible to configure a dissent upper into a situation where I could still use an existing AR lower I have but also still take Glock mags? Big ask, I know. I'm just wondering if that would work or if the geometry of the upper would prevent that somehow. If I need dedicated conversion mags or a dedicated lower for reliability's sake then that's probably still OK too.
@@bobdole234bd in theory it should. We've seen people do it and have success. Unfortunately we just don't test with all of the options made by others, so cannot confirm. The ejector would for sure have to be removed from any adapter block.
@@CMMG Thanks for the replies! I definitely understand how hard it is to say every possible combination will work without even more extensive testing. I may just stick to the MKGs lower if I go with Glock mags. My attempt was to avoid having to get a new dedicated lower or a slew of proprietary mags. You guys are innovating a really based platform and I hope you keep up the good work! Thanks again!
As someone who owns a lot of CMMG stuff, I have never had a hardware malfunction. I have found that almost ALL malfunctions are 1 of 3 things: 1. User error 2. Weak/underpowered ammo 3. Tired magazines
@@johngreen2510 the main complaint myself and others have had is the short life of the ejector springs on the 9mm RDB guns. I have to replace mine every 500 to 1000 rounds, otherwise I get weak ejection or failures to eject. Others have reported the same on the Facebook group, Reddit, and various forums. The two guns I have both have the same issue, regardless if I run them suppressed, unsuppressed, with or without bolt weights, or with different springs and buffers. My first gun has 6.5k on it and has a hairline fracture on the bolt where the cam pin comes through.
Our 9mm systems utilize our Radial Delayed Blowback operating system which is different than most others' straight blowback. Straight blowback lowers have a built in ejector and typically different feed ramps. In most cases, we say that our upper is not compatible. There are cases that people have modified other companies' lowers with success, but that is not something we can confirm compatibility or reliability on.
Has anyone tried S&W M&P 9mm magazines in a Mk17 lower? There are a few mag wells that work with both (e.g. Henry's new Homesteader) as well as a Stern conversion that work with both types. Thanks!
Great product but not 1500 a upper worth sorry way to expensive maybe in a few years ill find a used 1 at half the cost 6 to 8 hundred would be fair but i am blown away at the cost and lack of availability
Those in Washington state. Get one anyway, don't let "them tell you what to do"! If "they" told you to stop speaking next, would you? A unconstitutional law is not valid and needs to be ignored.
I've had really good experience with the MK4 AR9 conversion mags, and I love how easily they hand load. MK4 all the way for me! Keep rocking the innovation CMMG, Boonies represent! 💪
Glad you're offering more calibers. Really looking forward to .45acp.
I'll be all over the .45acp. 10mm would also be great.
When do the 10mm ship?
Its good to see innovations in the industry!
I hope y’all make some in 45acp and 10mil?
^^^^^^^^^^ THIS RIGHT HERE!!!!!
I hope in the next generation of RDB guns there is a way to include a fixed ejector AND retain a standard bolt length for tuning the action. I have a mk9 rdb and Glock fed mkgs 9mm. Both are great suppressor host and range guns. My main complaint is the short ejector life, I have to change mine out every 500 to 1000 rounds, regardless of the bolt weights, suppressor, or buffer/spring.
I’m not the only one with this issue either. It’s pretty documented on some forums, Reddit, and Facebook groups. It’s sounds like cmmg is aware of the issue, I just hope they can find a way to incorporate it. I’d happily get new complete uppers if they had it.
You guys make such cool stuff. This seems like an all around excellent successor to the Banshee. Whenever I'm not a broke grad student you bet I'm gonna be in the market for one.
Curious why you guys were not at the Nra show in indy?
Glad to see the 10.5” barrels offered for the Dissent. With time, I hope the other lengths (specially the 8”) available for the Banshee will make their way to the new platform.
From what I could see from a disassembled Dissent, there’s still a lot of parts compatibility with the Banshee.
Question is, can we straight-up attach a Dissent upper onto an existing Banshee MkGs 9mm lower?
@@ericbergfield6451 A 9mm Dissent upper SHOULD work with the Banshee lower (or any mil-spec lower), but I would email CMMG first.
You’ll probably need to install the Dissent end plate adapter on your lower since the uppers aren’t the same height and you’ll end up with a gap into the action if you don’t. I don’t avise, but the gun would probably work without the proper end plate, but you would carry the redundant weight of a buffer system and would be unable to install a folding stock / brace.
I would personally buy a full Dissent in 9mm even if I already had a banshee but, if you have a lower already registered as a SBR, I understand how it would be interesting to just buy a Dissent upper like you said.
@@VincitOmniaVeritas7 you mean dissent upper
@@SandstormGT yes, upper, not lower. I’ll fix it.
Might need to pick up one of these uppers for my mkgs lower.
Here's hoping that the conversion will allow for you guys to explore more exotic calibers. I would love to be able to use 50 AE in one of these.
Does this new upper now work with the Stern Defense MAG-AD? I know the older radial delay blowbacks didn't.
The Stern MAG-AD is designed for a different bolt (straight blowback), which is more commonly used by AR9 manufacturers. Unfortunately most other options won't work without modification. Easiest just to use our conversion mags if you're running a mil-spec lower.
I would like to know are y'all going to make one of these in a .40 caliber with the 10' barrel ???
The MkGS looks badass...... love it!
CMMG, nice firearms! I am looking into which firearm I want, but I am also glad you all are fighting against the Anti-2A war against you (CMMG) and all Patriotic Pro-2A/Constitutionalist Americans! I am a patrean of Guns and Gadgets and he, Johnny b, Legally Armed America+ all speak or show how great CMMG is as a company. I have CMMG parts, need to get one of your full firearms!
I was skeptical about my choice of getting the mk4 banshee with the conversion 9mm mags. I wasn't sure if it would function well. But the gun has been a reliable tack driver and extremely easy to be accurate. Also the fact that I could get a 5.56 complete upper and a .22lr conversion bolt to swap on the gun and basically shoot 3 different calibers with the same lower and ar mags.
The Mk4 with conversion mag is an incredibly reliable platform. Rifle mags feeding into a rifle design as intended 😉
@@CMMG is there any discount code above 10%..I tried every 20% code available on the internet all where expired..I would like to purchase the Dissent asap 🙏
Love to try few of them on my channel! 👍🏽
I have a 45 banshee. That thing is so amazing. I love it and will not ever part with it. Have another suppressor coming some time this decade.
We can't have them out here in Washington State, They are too scary and they have more than a 10 round magazine.
I'd love to have one of these someday. I wish that the geometry allowed the the Glock magazines to go through the grip and extend the barrel length without extending the overall length of the gun.
Amazing gun.
The only thing, that even when discounted, it's exactly where Sig MPX is. Without arguing which one is superior (both are great), I afraid that majority of the people, especially when buying for home defense, will go with Sig's brand name. It Dissent would cost 1200, it would completely destroy Sig MPX, and would take the Ar-9 market (and beyond) by the storm
10mm, 10mm, 10mm!!!
Make a dissent, and possibly a FM, lower specific bullpup lower that has an mlok attachment up front for the bottom of the handguard and instead of a pic rail out back, it uses a magpul pattern buttpad. Add a thin pic mounted cowl for the receiver top that smoothes it out and I'm down for atleast 1 lol. In all seriousness though cmmg is on the way to making a bullpup people would actually want. Nice stuff, keep it up. Mirrored ambi is the way.
i wanna see one of these or the radial delay guns in 9x25 dillon
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I just ordered a Dissent pistol from a local gun store here in Arizona. The one I ordered is chambered in 5.7x28, and I was wondering if a Banshee upper chambered in 4.6x30 can be used with that Dissent lower?
I need to move to a free state
I can't wait to see the Mk. 47 models. Until then I'll be waiting to test out the Banshees, Resolute and Endeavors when my homestead plans are done and ready to be built.
Radial delayed blowback and no buffer tube for a 9mm PCC? This is gold
Question about this platform. So, is it possible to get a Dissent upper and put it on a standard AR lower with, say, a conversion block for glock mags? Or is there some requirement to keep that from being possible?
Many of our models work on standard AR lowers. We have conversion magazines to use 9mm in a mil-spec lower with no need for adapters.
@@CMMG So, I guess what I'm trying to figure out is would it be possible to configure a dissent upper into a situation where I could still use an existing AR lower I have but also still take Glock mags? Big ask, I know. I'm just wondering if that would work or if the geometry of the upper would prevent that somehow. If I need dedicated conversion mags or a dedicated lower for reliability's sake then that's probably still OK too.
@@bobdole234bd in theory it should. We've seen people do it and have success. Unfortunately we just don't test with all of the options made by others, so cannot confirm. The ejector would for sure have to be removed from any adapter block.
@@CMMG Thanks for the replies! I definitely understand how hard it is to say every possible combination will work without even more extensive testing. I may just stick to the MKGs lower if I go with Glock mags. My attempt was to avoid having to get a new dedicated lower or a slew of proprietary mags. You guys are innovating a really based platform and I hope you keep up the good work! Thanks again!
Cmmg makes interesting products, but I see too many people having QC issues which is alarming considering the price tag.
Where do you see this? I’ve been researching Cmmg products for weeks and seems 99% positive. Hard to find anyone with bad things to say.
@@somerandomgamer1260 The cmmg facebook group usually has a reported issue every other day.
As someone who owns a lot of CMMG stuff, I have never had a hardware malfunction. I have found that almost ALL malfunctions are 1 of 3 things:
1. User error
2. Weak/underpowered ammo
3. Tired magazines
Never had one issue with my Banshee in .45acp
@@johngreen2510 the main complaint myself and others have had is the short life of the ejector springs on the 9mm RDB guns. I have to replace mine every 500 to 1000 rounds, otherwise I get weak ejection or failures to eject. Others have reported the same on the Facebook group, Reddit, and various forums. The two guns I have both have the same issue, regardless if I run them suppressed, unsuppressed, with or without bolt weights, or with different springs and buffers. My first gun has 6.5k on it and has a hairline fracture on the bolt where the cam pin comes through.
Will the upper work with a pa-9 psa lower
Our 9mm systems utilize our Radial Delayed Blowback operating system which is different than most others' straight blowback. Straight blowback lowers have a built in ejector and typically different feed ramps. In most cases, we say that our upper is not compatible. There are cases that people have modified other companies' lowers with success, but that is not something we can confirm compatibility or reliability on.
The tungsten color would match my Honda Rebel. Now just offer a saddle holster that straps to my fuel tank and I'm in.😂
Very awesome! Just wish I could afford a CMMG Dissent Upper right now. Can't swing ~$1,500 just for an upper unfortunately for me.
Has anyone tried S&W M&P 9mm magazines in a Mk17 lower? There are a few mag wells that work with both (e.g. Henry's new Homesteader) as well as a Stern conversion that work with both types. Thanks!
I wonder if they would make a dissent that takes scorpion evo mags?
My Draco 9S takes them. I don't think CMMG would be interested in making this happen, but I could be wrong.
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Not interested until you offer one that works with Scorpion mags.
Can you tune the operating group for running suppressed?
We are working on some tuning weights for these, but we've had pretty good luck running suppressed without.
7.62x36 ???
Great product but not 1500 a upper worth sorry way to expensive maybe in a few years ill find a used 1 at half the cost 6 to 8 hundred would be fair but i am blown away at the cost and lack of availability
Those in Washington state. Get one anyway, don't let "them tell you what to do"! If "they" told you to stop speaking next, would you? A unconstitutional law is not valid and needs to be ignored.
An*. I feel the sentiments but some of us have families and cannot suffer the penalty of law, even if it's not a constitutional law