Three Popes, One Church: The Great Schism of the West
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 ก.ย. 2021
- During the later 14th Century, Western Christianity was divided on the question of who was the legitimate successor to St. Peter: the Pope in Rome or the Pope in Avignon? An ecumenical council was called in Pisa to settle the question, which deposed both rivals and appointed a new Pope. However, neither pope recognized the council's authority and thus from 1378 onward, Western Christianity had three Popes: one in Rome, one in Avignon, and one in Pisa. We'll look at this interesting history but also talk about the background ideas of authority, divine monarchy vs. representative councils, and the division of church and state.
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The thing I like about these talks is how complex and nuanced information - the reality of a lot of history - is given in a very understandable way.
Just want to say that I appreciate all the honest research, curiosity, and presentation of all this knowledge. I am not "religious" per se, but am finding this material fascinating, informative, and thought provoking. Cheers!
Agreed...I watch many historical youtube channels....this is one of the best
Community of Christ doesn't have an axe to grind or anything to hide.
For sure. Much respect to John for covering Catholic (and Orthodox for that matter) topics with little if any bias for someone who's leader of a Protestant-derived denomination. It's great when Christians get on, eh?
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Wow, the differences between secular and religious education is stark. While my family is Buddhist, my parents liked parochial schools, so that's where they sent me: the local Catholic school in the archdiocese. As I came through the parish school system, they never forced me to convert, it was extremely pleasant, and I followed my friends to a Catholic highschool. There, we took a mandatory class in "Church History" our Junior year. It covered everything from Peter to the Lombards to the various Ecumenical Councils. But this lecture series went even deeper. Such an interesting history; not every institution has 2,000 years of practices to draw from! I'm still a secularist, I just like history.
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As usual, I found this lecture informative and engaging. He is able to explain complex history in ways that allow the lay person to learn and absorb. Thank you so much! 🥰
Amazing lesson, I was trying to learn more about the Western Schism by going to wikipedia and random online material, but nothing really made sense.. Now it does :) Thanks for the excellent work!
Underrated channel!
Highlight of the week! Thank you!
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Thank you for a great video.
Another excellent history lesson. All the best.
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This is a long and complex talk. Thank you very much.
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Beliefs - Apologetics to Islam. I think you’d really enjoy them. I’ve created a public playlist on my profile if you’d like to check it out and I’ve posted a link in this comment section.
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Great lecture. Well explained. Thanks a lot.
It really excites me when I see the positive reactions to watching this video. If you’d like to see some similar Ted Talks type lectures given from very unique perspectives, I can’t recommended anything more highly that Nabeel Qureshi: Seeking Allah and Finding Jesus; and Nabeel Qureshi: Islamic Practices and
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This was an excellent presentation to a former Catholic; I attended 12 years of parochial school and took a class on history of the church but did not learn much about any of this! These codependent elite factions competed with, but ultimately relied on each other for their power and legitimacy. Popes anointing monarchs and monarchs defending the church etc. etc. but it was the audacious Henry VIII who, when he could not get that annulment because his wife was the niece of the holy Roman Emperor and thus had influence, decided he would be both the head of the state and the head of the church in his country, something nobody had done before except maybe the pharaohs! This continues to the present although it’s considered a symbolic title. the king has the title of the head of the church of England and defender of the faith. But it just goes to show you the history of the Catholic Church is a very bumpy road with many major splits and much corruption
Yea, people who attend, work, worship happen to be humans. Of course there is going to be fuk-ury
I had a book published in the year 1602. It was a listing of bishops of Rome and Pontiffs . Even though my Latin is sketchy at best, I was ale to find the name of the first Pope. His name was Dionysius. I can' t speak to the accuracy of the book but it was genuinely almost 400 years old.
This is a really great lecture. You’ve done a great job with your talk.
I have been to Avignon and highly recommend it.
So does the French Tourist board.
Thank you 😊
The Church of Rome never ended it just converted into the Catholic Church, for example the Vestal virgins became nuns, the church government the church polity converted from the Church of Rome to the Catholic church but the members of the governing ranks were always there and never left and never dissolved it was just a conversion
Some say they still in secret worship the sun God. There are many pagan symbols and statuary in Vatican City
Do people really not know there were Popes in France and Rome throwing handbags at each other? I was taught that at school back in the day.
Actually the joke is that two old friends went into the priesthood. One moved up the ranks becoming cardinal while the other stayed along the lines of a humble parish priest. It was the day of the Cardinals “inauguration“ and of course his friend had to attend. Now these boys were rather fey, if you know what I mean. The priest made sure he had an aisle seat so he could see his friend walk up in all of his glory and regalia including his red Prada shoes. He tended to be the smart ass of the two and as he saw his friend walk up in a grand manner with his gold robe and his beautiful miter, swinging the incense container, all bowed as he walked by, 😊and as the priest bowed he whispered loudly, “love the drag, but your purse is on fire!“ Ha ha ha ha
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Beliefs - Apologetics to Islam. I think you’d really enjoy them. I’ve created a public playlist on my profile if you’d like to check it out and I’ve posted a link in this comment section.
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I guess you mean 3 Catholic Popes of Rome….(there are still 2 Popes of Alexandria-an Orthodox and (since Chalcedon) a Coptic).
"The gates of hell will not prevail against my church"
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Beliefs - Apologetics to Islam. I think you’d really enjoy them. I’ve created a public playlist on my profile if you’d like to check it out and I’ve posted a link in this comment section.
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An Indulgence does not forgive sin. It remits the temporal punishment due to sin.
Thank you. I offer as many indulgences as I can for the forgotten dead suffering in purgatory through no fault of their own have no one to pray for them. I’m going to leave a trust in my will to arrange Gregorian Masses offered.
@@piratesapper Only a bishop can offer an indulgence.
it is my sincere belief that Simon Magus played himself off to be Simon Peter, just like he did the Samaritans, and Simon Magus the sorcerer of Samaria was the 1st Pope.
As early as the 2nd century the Bishop of Rome began to exercise his primacy.
There were also the 'Black' Pope's, the 'Grey' Pope's and the 'Red' Pope's too.
When Peter became the first pope, what was he the pope of, what was he the pope over oh, was he the pope of a full-grown Church full of polity already amassed governance kind of organization where did Peter start the church from scratch and there was nothing to begin with but him what's the deal with all this I just mentioned what's the deal there
Christ created the Church, his Kingdom on Earth of which he named Simon (Peter) the Rock (… in which I’ll build my Church; I’ll give you the keys to the kingdom of Heaven; whatever you will bind on earth will be bound in Heaven…). He gives the apostles the gift of the Holy Spirit which “will lead you to all truths) and Christ HIMSELF not only gave the original apostles the ability to establish doctrine, to teach and evangelize in His name but moreover, he Commanded them to do so. This is why gentile Christian converts don’t have to become circumcised when becoming Christians.
The comments about audience participation are gone. Was it labor intensive to get rid of them John?
Excellent talk, apart from "sism"
Either pronunciation is considered acceptable.
@@dimetronome not by me
@@christophersmith3248 I'm honestly the same. I understand that both pronunciations are technically acceptable according to the dictionaries, but the "sism" pronunciation has always sounded off to me and makes me wince a bit. I definitely prefer the "skism" pronunciation.
@@dimetronome I know it's a little thing really, but he's obviously an excellent bloke and it's just a bit disappointing. Could do with a hair cut too.
This talk is far too discursive and shambolic, and a history of the medieval Papacy, and hardly about the Schism of 1378-1417. At points it is inaccurate or over-simplifies. Why does the speaker think Pope Francis is popular whereas Pope Benedict XVI was less so? Many would say the complete reverse.
His time was limited. I agree it is rushed but considering the circumstances it , hopefully, gets people interested to work out just what was going on. Could you have done better? I mean that with respect, and not accusingly.
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The lecture was advertised as about the 1378-1417 Schism. Most of it was about the origins and rise of the Papal Monarchy, which could be assumed ad background and covered in books such as those of Walter Ullmann. Had it been advertised as that then it would have been more accurate.
The talk was upwards of an hour and a half - the usual length for an academic presentation is 50 minutes to an hour. So even with a few sentences to introduce the development of the Papacy up to the mid-fourteenth century there was more than an hour to talk about the events and personalities as well as the ideas of both Papalism and Conciliarism, and how these elements meshed together, not to mention the cultural consequences of the Council of Constance.
Could I have done better? As an historian of the period and with quite a long period of having delivered lectures and papers to both academic and more informal audiences I think, in all honesty, I could.
He tried to cover way too much in the time he had.
Many young Catholics, like myself, would agree with you. The majority of lay Catholics like to call us “TrandLads” which is a mock because they call us “hipster Catholics” who prefer the Latin High Mass and the Devotions to Saint Michael. I was just talking to my fiancé about how the prayer to Saint Michael came about and how amazed that I am to see it removed from Mass in the timeframe spoken about when it was written and added to all Masses. Don’t give up hope in Our Lady. There is an entire generation’(s) of young people which has become the new evangelization because they (we) are seeking stability and tradition in the unstable and constantly changing world around us. It really excites me when I see the positive reactions to watching this video. If you’d like to see some similar Ted Talks type lectures given from very unique perspectives, I can’t recommended anything more highly that Nabeel Qureshi: Seeking Allah and Finding Jesus; and Nabeel Qureshi: Islamic Practices and
Beliefs - Apologetics to Islam. I think you’d really enjoy them. I’ve created a public playlist on my profile if you’d like to check it out and I’ve posted a link in this comment section.
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My dinamic all the Popos of in the seberal yaers
Pope Benedict XVI stepped down for health reasons.
I see the history I see no divine authority
You might be interested in an interview Joe Rogan had with Jordan Peterson about the Bible in history. With your stated views I think you’d find it interesting. It’s available on TH-cam.
henry was right to break with rome
Right but for the wrong reasons so really the foundation is very very shaky. At least a Luther was protesting because of his care and concern for the church and his concern about the corruption this was not true of Henry the eighth it was all expediency so he could drop the old hag that he had been with for 25 years to get the new concubine so he could have a baby boy. And when she didn’t give that to him he disposed of her within two years. And he is the head of the church of England. He also raided the Catholic monasteries and took all the riches. So again right that he did it but for the wrong reasons and it leaves the Anglican Church in a very shaky place and nobody attends church in England anymore and all of Europe for that matter
Eh? Lol
"A vicar is a representative, deputy or substitute; anyone acting "in the person of" or agent for a superior." Since EVERY "pope" is the "Vicar of Christ" SUBSTITUTE, speaks for, and there is to be NO adding to the Word of God, not one has EVER been legitimate. Their murder of and torture of Protesters (Protestants) and Jewish believers and waging war against ANYONE and having a standing army of ANY type makes the point.
1) Jesus is the leader of the Catholic Church. The pope is just the visible head. 2) Catholicism is not a denomination, those are for protestants. It IS Christianity
Thank you. Catholic literally means “universal”. Have you watch the video of Father Mike Schmitz called “why be Catholic and not just Christian”?